Archive through July 12, 2004
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ned b Unregistered guest | Wondering if anybody has experienced the two new Samsung dvd players, the hd841 and hd941. I have heard one has dvi output and the other hdmi. They are supposed to be improvements over last years hd931 such as playing dvd-a and sacd. |
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Anonymous | Saw the sammy hd841 at Circuit City but they have not put them out for sale yet. Sales lady says it has dvi output that upconverts to 720 or 1080. She was not sure of price. |
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New member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 2 Registered: Jun-04 | I have the 941 and sell the 841 all the time, the are both amazing units, they both only have DVI, and they look great, they will both do 480i, 480p, 720p, 768p, 1080i. the 941 has the faroudja's DCDi, and the 841 doesn't. only upconverts through the DVI, not the component which was rumored it would with this model but does not. I wish they had hdmi!!! |
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ned b Unregistered guest | Jacob, Where can I get the hd941? It sounds great with DCDi. Actually, I can't find a store that sells either unit. Thanks, Ned |
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New member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 4 Registered: Jun-04 | I'm not sure where it is you live but RCwilleys and ultimate electronics carry them, Circuit city has the 841, good guys has it, and the guys at samsung say best buy has it. if you live in the united states, and you give me your zip i can find a store close to you that has it. |
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Unregistered guest | Jacob, Thanks for the information. I am looking for a 941 too. If you can let me know the place and ref. price of them, it will be great. |
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criss Unregistered guest | OneCall has it for $200. See "OneCall Samsung DVDHD841 Progressive Scan DVD Player with 1080i Output (DVD-HD841).htme" Let us know how you like it. I'm waiting for more reviews |
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New member Username: BootsPost Number: 5 Registered: Dec-03 | Just bought the HD841 at Best Buy for $188. I found that you do need seperate 5.1 analog inputs on your receiver to take advantage of the SACD and DVDA. Luckily my NADT742 has 'em! I have a Hitachi 51S500 High Def TV with a DVI input, so SACD/DVD-Audio and DVI were the reasons I went with this unit. I'm not much of a Wiz in setting these things up and I found it very confusing to set up the unit to use the DVI output. It seems you have to have it going to the TV with component video first, change it to DVI on the menu and connect the DVI cable to the TV in 10 seconds!!!! It seems I have it set though, 'cause I disconnected the component video cables and the DVD still plays. I have to give it more time and figure out how to make sure the upscaling is set right. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate them Thanks! Boots |
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New member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 5 Registered: Jun-04 | The only thing i don't like about those players is that you have to set the resolution back to 720p or 1080i everytime you turn the player on. 199.99 is the MSRP on the 841 so if you see it cheaper its a good deal. And Boots by the way hitachi's ultravision was my next choice in tv's those are very nice... nice choice. oh there is a button on the remote a little more then halfway up on the right that says DVI select. that changes the res. if you have a regular projection i would suggest 1080i but if you have a dlp or lcd projection i would suggest 720p |
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New member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 6 Registered: Jun-04 | If anyone has questions about these player 841 or 931 i know them inside and out so if you need anything E-mail me or post and i will reply as soon as i can. |
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New member Username: MpricePost Number: 1 Registered: Jun-04 | Jacob, Did you mean that you have the 931 instead of the 941? I'm confused. I thought the HD941 was not due out until the fall. If I'm incorrect, and its actually available, I'd appreciate a heads up on where I can get one. I bought the HD841 from Best Buy as well, and I'm quite impressed with the picture I'm getting with DVI, but I'm really curious to see how the HD941 with Faroudja compares. Thanks! |
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New member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 7 Registered: Jun-04 | No i have the 941 got it from a friend at local samsung Dist HQ. I see a little difference between it and the 931, but nothing big. it is cool haveing hdmi though. but yes it technicaly doesn't come out till third quartar.  |
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New member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 8 Registered: Jun-04 | sorry i have made this kind of confusing the 841 and 931 only has DVI the 941 has HDMI, sorry i'm kind of retarted today |
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New member Username: BootsPost Number: 6 Registered: Dec-03 | Hey Jacob! Thanks for the info! I've got the Samsung running through the DVI and did find that DVI Select button and found the best picture to be 1080i. Do I lose the progressive scan advantage there though? Did you run into that issue with having to set it up with component video first? Just curious. One other question (for the moment :/) I'm going to hook up the 5.1 out to my NAD to try listening to some DVD Audio discs I just bought. The Samsung is on top of the TV and the NAD is on a rack next to the TV, so I've got a span of about 14 ft. At Best Buy, the had a set of DVD-A Monster cables for $149 (whew!) and they were only 7 feet. I bought 3 sets of AR 20 ft RCA audio cables instead ($20 ea). Will they do the trick? Thanks for the help! PS...I love the Ultravision Hitachi! I've got Comcast HD and the HD shows look amazing! Boots |
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New member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 9 Registered: Jun-04 | yeah same prob with the component cabels its just the default, If you can afford the monster cables they are worth it but just get the monster video 1 component cables they should be white, and get the monster couplers to connect a couple of them together theat is still about $85 but the picture is worth it, if you use rca's you will get bandwith choke and you can have some video lag problems, it is worth the investment for monster, don't ever let some one tell you they are a wast of money, (it does depend on the application though). And the best way to use the dvd audio is through the analog 5.1 out (one rca per channel)from the player to a reciever with 5.1 channel in's, it just reproduces the sound better for dvd audio, sacd won't even work without the multi channel in. there you can use some cheap rca's and be ok as long as you arn't going over 15 feet. but still use the digital for movies. I think thats all your questions. let me know if you need anything else. Go Ultravision!!!!!!!! and Samsung !!!!!!!!!! Jacob |
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New member Username: BootsPost Number: 7 Registered: Dec-03 | Hey Jacob! Thanks for the reply! I guess my question got confusing. I am using the DVI cable that came with the Samsung to connect to my TV. Then I am using a Digital Optical cable from the Samsung to my receiver for the sound for the movies. (sounds great - NADT742, PSB Image 5T, PSB center and sub) My queston was to listen to SACD or DVD-Audio music discs, I have to connect the 6 outputs for 5.1 on the Samsung to my receiver. Am I correct in saying that you think, for that purpose, 6 RCA audio cables will suffice? Thanks! Boots |
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Chasdanner Unregistered guest | hey jacob, can you get any more 941s? : ) |
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New member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 10 Registered: Jun-04 | yes rca's should do you fine, and yes you connect the 6 channel in to your reciever from your dvd Player just make sure you get some heavy shielded ones, if you are running it by any other electrical equipment, the low end ones will get distorted, and to answer Chasdanner's question I can see if there are any others available. |
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New member Username: BootsPost Number: 8 Registered: Dec-03 | I have the Hitachi HD 51S500. I have the Samsung hooked up to it directly through the DVI cable and have it set to 1080i Am I losing the Progressive Scan advantage? Any thoughts? Thanks Boots |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 11 Registered: Jun-04 | you are losing progesive scan for something better, most people think that 720p actualy looks better, because it is progressive scan you get ride of the scan lines the thing you will probably notice is that the picture might be a little brighter and less noisy with 720p. try it out, ( 720p normaly looks better than 1080i ) |
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criss Unregistered guest | Ok guys, what's the verdict? Is the picture from the Samsung DVDHD841 vastly superior to a conventional progressive scan DVD player? I have a 70 inch sony grand vega and love it. Found it dissappointing that the cox cable HD broadcasts are quite a bit clearer and brighter than a DVD. Thanks in advance for any opinions. |
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DEW Unregistered guest | Hello Jacob. I've been following the questions trying to get smarter but I'll ask flat out. I have a Smsng 50DLP with (DVI input). I would like to have a great DVD player to watch DVD's. I'd like to buy the 841 but should I buy the 941 because faroudja's DCDi offers a better picture? Secondly I notice everyone's been talking about 5.1 out. I have an Optical in on my receiver and then RCA outs for Front, Rear & Center. Will the 2 cables from the Smsng (DVI for Video & Optical for Audio) get me everything I need for the experience. Also friends Circuit City just listed the 841 for $179.99. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 12 Registered: Jun-04 | with haveing the 50 dlp it already has dcdi but with the dvd player haveing it as well you will see a sharpness differnce, haveing a dlp or lcd tv is where you would have the main impact on picture quality, to answer criss's question, yes it is far superior but no it will not look like you hd brodcast because dvd's arn't HD but this is the player on the market that will make you dvd's that you own right now look as good as they ever will, you will definatly see it on your tv criss.just a quick question for dew, what 50 dlp do you have, the hln507w or the new hlp5063w???? |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 13 Registered: Jun-04 | i would recommend the 941 if you can wait, if not the 841 still does a VERY good job. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 14 Registered: Jun-04 | Sorry dew i have been missing parts of your questions as i read, the 5.1 outs are importand if you like to listen to DVDA or SACD they are required for SACD but suggested for DVDA (DVDA = DVD audio) (SACD = Super Audio CD) |
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Plaxico Unregistered guest | Definately wait for the 941 with dcdi. Even if your samsung tv has dcdi, it will be disabled if you feed it a 720p source from the 841. Why? There is no conversion that is needed as you are feeding it 720p which is the native rate. The 941 will convert the dvd to 720p w/ dcdi then send it to your tv resulting in a better picture. |
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criss Unregistered guest | All interesting stuff, except I only understand 50% of it. Given the fact that the grand vega I have has hd component jacks, is there any difference in the picture quality between the 841 and the 941? Is the big difference in the two units the sound quality? Thanks, CG |
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K.L. Unregistered guest | Jacob, When you said 5.1 outs are required for SACD and suggested for DVD-A, how can I get DVD-A without the 5.1 outs? My receiver does not have 5.1 inputs and there are dvd-a's I would like to buy. Thanks, Karen |
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New member Username: BootsPost Number: 9 Registered: Dec-03 | Karen, As I understand it, The Samsung and other universal players output the sound on DVD-A and SACDs only through the 5.1 analog outputs (6 of 'em) on the DVD player. Therefore, you have to have seperate 5.1 inputs on your receiver to listen to SACD and DVD-A. That's what I've been told anyway. Boots |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 15 Registered: Jun-04 | it depends on the DVDA cd, If it is a dts DVDA cd you can use the digital if not yes you have to use the multi-chan,............. and actualy the dcdi does more than just convert it to 720p it is also an edge enhancer which still works even if it is recieving a 720p signal. but yes it will result in an even better pic with using the dcdi in the dvd player as well. Sorry for the confusion everyone. |
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Unregistered guest | Jacob seriosly knows his stuff better than anyone I ever met. If I remeber correctly he helped me out the other day at a top name store, which I will leave out as not sure he wants people to know. I came home to do some research and found him on this message board. Anyways, Jacob I am wondering if you can help me out with one quick thing...We returned the Panasonic and got the Samsung 841. The Monster component cable at $50 put this thing the same price as the Samsung as it came with a 6 foot DVI cable. Anyways, got home hooked it up, got snow on the TV, which in the user manual said the TV might not support HDCP if this occurs. I thought I was screwed. However, I plugged some RCA cords that came with it in, plugged into Vid3 on back of TV (Sony 65 inch with DVI labeled on back) and left the HVI cable in Vid7 on back. Played with the setting on the Samsung, changed Video Output to P-SCAN & DVI and quickly changed to Vid7 on TV and saw the option to save setting, however I had to do yes, save real fast as it would leave. Anyways, finally got it to stick on P-SCAN & DVI. Unplugged RCA from Vid3, Now it works fine and I watched a DVD, looks good but since this was so tricky, wanted to make sure it seemed to be at best setting as not sure how good it is suppose to and any thoughts on why that snow was there...colored snow, but snow! Also, how do you change the settings from 1080i and 720p as you noted above in the thread, or is this on the 941 only, which would be best the 720p? Also if you really want to help a newbie out...my setup is Sony HDTV compatible 65 inch tv, Harmon Kardon AVR230, Samsung 841...what are the following settings and the best setting: DVI Output (options A or B)? Digital Output (option is PCM)? DTS (option OFF or On)? Dynamic Compression (On of OFF), PCM down Samping (On or Off), on Speaker Setup, I put it all on Large as that is what the manual recommends. Are there any other settings that you would recommend changing? Anyways, I know that this is a lot and I sound like a rookie (thats because I am), but if anyone can shed some light or knowledge with me that would be great. If not, I will just fool around :-) |
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Unregistered guest | I'm another newbie and have a question concerning DVI. I bought an HDTV with a DVI connection because the picture looked so much better at the store. I've currently only been using my old DVD player with it, however, which isn't even progressive scan. The thing is, I vastly prefer 5-disc players to single-disc players. I'm tempted to buy an 841 and have BOTH players hooked up, if possible. Perhaps I'd be better served to wait until a DVI 5-disc player becomes available? Any guess when that might be? |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 16 Registered: Jun-04 | I have a little bit of sad news for you B Carter, you can't use the upconversion without the DVI cable (720p, 1080i) you were right the colored snow mean that you tv isn't HDCP which means that it is probably a few years old, with the component cables you are stuck with 480p w/o DCDi. So you have it hooked up the best you can, sorry. As for the sound, Digital output PCM, DTS ON, Dynamic Compression Off, PCM downsampleing OFF, turning up you back channels by a few db will help with effects. if you have any other questions e-mail me or post. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 17 Registered: Jun-04 | SET the best thing i can recommend is to get a progresive scan 5-disc, like the Panisonic dvd-f85s or the dvd-s87s both very good 5 disc players with dvd-audio features and a very good picture for the money, as for haveing 2 dvd players i would probably wait untill the 5 disc DVI DCDi player comes out, and move the panisonic to a diferent tv. but you would definatly want at least progressive scan. |
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New member Username: RickgPost Number: 1 Registered: Jun-04 | Wow, wish I found this site before I bought my new Samsung DLP TV (HLN5065W1) and Samsung DVDHD841. I had the same problems getting the DVI to operate and finally succeeded getting everything switched inside the 10 second window. Odd that there is nothing in the instructions about that requirement but the salesman knew about it. I'm a real novice and happy I could just get a DVI picture. On the other hand, Jacob, you seem to know everything about everything. Other than plugging in my DVI cable to the DVD player and TV, is there a change I need to make to my settings? Thanks! |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 21 Registered: Jun-04 | the only thing that you really need to do after that is ajust tv setting to your preference and hit the DVI select button on the remote untill you hit the resolution that you like, on a samsung DLP i would recommend 720P because that is the tv's native res. and it looks the best. |
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B Carter Unregistered guest | Jacob Pagel...thanks for the info. The odd thing is that I got the DVI to stick and it is solely using that to play DVD's. So I think it might be working? What would you suggest for a 65 inch Sony, as I have been able to switch my DVI setting from 720 - 1080i..it is currently on 1080i? Would it be possible for this to work at all if my TV did not support HDCP? If so, is this the same as I would get from a Panasonic Progressive Scan DVD player with component cables? Thanks again for your help! |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 23 Registered: Jun-04 | if your tv did not support hdcp you would get a snowie pic. but if you go through the component cables you can only get 480p with no DCDi, so really it would be about the same as the panisonic DVD player, use the DVI on your Sony, for the best picture, on 1080i or 720p your pref. |
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New member Username: BootsPost Number: 10 Registered: Dec-03 | Hi Jacob (and everyone else) Well, I was enjoying my 841, watching DVDs with the DVI output was great, and I bought a few DVD-A discs (Riding with the King - Clapton and BB) is fantastic. Tonite I rented a DVD and was all set up for some blissful viewing...turned on the Samsung 841 and the tray won't open!!!!!%^&^%$$#()@#..and my $20 Beethoven DVD-A is in there!!! I turned the powere off and on, unplugged and replugged the power cord ...nothing! If I press the OPEN button on the unit while it is off, it says HELLO and then OPEN, but nothing happens. If I power it on, it says HELLO, goes to LOAD and if I push the OPEN/CLOSE button on the unit or the remote, again, nothing happens. So, this is going back to BestBuy tomorrow. Guess I'll go with the Pioneer that has DVD-A and SACD features and I'll live with Progressive Scan and no DVI. Very disappointed with the quality of the Samsung now Boots |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 25 Registered: Jun-04 | don't get so discouraged yet, I have never heard of that happening, and good luck finding anyone else. a company is going to have 1 lemon out of a million, trade it in for another one, same thing. you will be glad you did. trust me. |
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DEW Unregistered guest | Jacob - Sorry for the delay getting back to the answer. My set is the hln507w. I believe it only has the DVI in connector. That being said, the 841has the DVI output, and the 941has the HDMI out put to DVI Converter Cable. So would the pictures be the same from both units with my hlm507w. Just want to make sure I won't regret NOT buying the 941 with "faroudja's DCDI". Tell me it won't matter or they both have it and I'll sleep better. I could spend the extra money on the 941 but the HDMI connection won't ever get used 'cause any unit will stay with this TV. Oh, and for DVD "Movies" were you ok with the (one cable) optical out from the Samsung DVD Players. Thanks VERY much for the education & help -DEW |
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Criss Unregistered guest | Boots and Jacob - From my last few postings all of you must know I am a soap dish technically speaking compared to Jacob. That doesn't mean I can't continue my research on the 841. Though the unit does receive great reviews in general (except from pure audiofiles) I have read many complaints with regards to the tray operation. Given the willingness of Curcuit City to exchange problem equipment, I am going to roll the dice and buy one. Have to wait a few weeks though. Loss big at the horse races Sunday. Wife on the war path. |
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Criss Unregistered guest | Boots and Jacob - From my last few postings all of you must know I am a soap dish technically speaking compared to Jacob. That doesn't mean I can't continue my research on the 841. Though the unit does receive great reviews in general (except from pure audiofiles) I have read many complaints with regards to the tray operation. Given the willingness of Curcuit City to exchange problem equipment, I am going to roll the dice and buy one. Have to wait a few weeks though. Loss big at the horse races Sunday. Wife on the war path. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 30 Registered: Jun-04 | for movies just the optical is fine. as for the player, I think because you have the hln507w you will love the pic from the 841 because you already have the DCDi in your tv, if we were talking about a normal CRT projection tv or an LCD i would say if you can wait that would be best, but in your case you already have what you get as an advantage in the 941. so i think think the 841 would be fine for you. Good choice on the TV by the way. |
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DEW Unregistered guest | Jacob -- can't thank you enough! Good to have the expertise so I can make the right purchase. The very short story on the TV ... A store (needs to remain nameless) owed me a compensation after a mistake they made. I suggested a substantial discount on a TV of my choice -- they agreed, so ordered up the Samsung HLM507W. It was still a good deal of money but every so often things work out. The 841 will complete the picture (pun intended / sorry). Thanks again - DEW |
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Unregistered guest | Jacob, I am getting ready to buy an 841. My TV is a 36 inch CRT Sony Wega XBR (KV-36XBR250)non digital with componet video inputs. My current Toshiba DVD puts out video 480I throught its componet video outs. Will the 841 put out 480I or will I have to use "S" video? By the way do you work for PDC? I do in Santa Rosa, CA. |
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New member Username: MacFt. Worth, Tx Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-04 | Jacob, I just bought a 50" Panasonic LCD Projection(PT-50LC13). What is the best DVD player for my TV? How much will it cost, and of course I don't want to go without the best picture for too long! Does this 10 second thing apply to my TV as well? |
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Bronze Member Username: BootsPost Number: 11 Registered: Dec-03 | Hey Jacob, Well, I took the 841 back to BestBuy. They had to take the whole thing apart to get my DVD-A out. I too had read a few reviews with the same stuck tray problem. The salesman reiterated what you had said in that the 841 was going to give me a much better picture with the DVI as opposed to the progressive scan Pioneer. He also offered to match the Circuit City price of $179, so I decided to give the 841 another chance. Just to be safe, I also bought the 2 year extended warranty. I also went for the $99 Monster DVI cable instead of using the one provided with the unit. I hope I made the right choice. I'll let you know when I get it hooked up. Boots |
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New member Username: Jamv4668Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-04 | I just bought the HD841 and had to buy the monster cable HDMI to DVI cable ($119.00!!). The connection was pretty much simple. I just bought a Panasonic CT-34WX54. I played around with the settings on both my TV and DVD player. I think the picture quality is amazing! I don't have a lot of hands on with progressive/3:2 pulldown DVD players but for what my eyes can tell, the picture does seem more vivid. Is it me or is there not much of a HUGE difference than the progressive/3:2 pulldown? Can I get please get some setting recommendations? |
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b. mathers Unregistered guest | keep in mind that if your tv has faroudja in it and you buy the 841 w/o, when you use DVI with the native resolution of your set, you bypass the Faroudja in your TV |
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New member Username: Jamv4668Post Number: 2 Registered: Jul-04 | I don't think my TV does. Here's a link to the TV I bought. http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=F &storeId=11251&catalogId=11005&itemId=71189&catGroupId=11071&modelNo=CT-34WX54&s urfModel=CT-34WX54&ignoreRedirect=1 |
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Anonymous | There are a couple of nice features on your tv. Non dvd related, your tv can display in two native modes, 480 and 1080. This means high def AND standard def will look great. Many sets only do 1080 and standard def looks terrible. As for dvd, your set should look best using the hd841 on 1080 mode. Your tv has 3:2 built in, so in 1080 mode it should look better than progressive mode so Faroudja is not even needed as you don't have to deinterlace. (You would only need it if you had a samsung dlp w/ 720 native). |
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New member Username: Jamv4668Post Number: 3 Registered: Jul-04 | I guess I'll just play with the color adjustments and other stuff. These new TV's have too many settings |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 31 Registered: Jun-04 | sorry it took me so long guys, JGCJR..... for you it isn't going to do to much good to get the samsung DVD player if your TV doesn't have DVI unless you plan on getting a HD TV soon, but yes it does 480i Matt..... the best DVD player is going to be the 841 unless you can wait for the 941 the 841 runs for about 179 now so if you can find some place that has it on sale. the ten second thing really isn't to big of an issue, if you plug in your component cables from the start, you will get a pic but it will just look really weird, (depending on your TV) and you can turn on the DVI. Boots..... I thin you will be really happy, did you check the date on the new player, and good choice on the service plan, I very seldom do not get the service plans anymore. b. mathers..... the only part faroudja that gets bypassed is the upconversion of the resolution, the edge enhancement does not get bypassed it might turn grey in the menu but it is still working. |
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b. mathers Unregistered guest | by using DVI input you bypass the TVs faroudja chip all together so having the chip in your DVD player would be usefull. however if you run component cables then you would be going thru the TV faroudja along with the DVDs. if you output 720p via DVI (which is why you buy this player), then the Faroudja chip in the TV is bypassed. so yes, there should be a difference in PQ between the 841 and 941 using DVI due to the different de-interlacing/upscaling chip used in these 2 players. |
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New member Username: Jamv4668Post Number: 4 Registered: Jul-04 | How can I tell if my TV has that faroudja chip? |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 32 Registered: Jun-04 | I'm sorry B. mathers I don't know where you are getting your info. but that isn't correct. the info i supply comes directly from samsung, and Genisis (creators of DCDi)There is a large advantage if your tv doesn't have DCDi but if it does, it still uses the edge enhancement and filtering parts of the chip. which is what you are missing if you do not have the 931 or 941 if you don't belive me you can go into the service menu when you are on the DVi input with the 841 and it shows you exactly what it is useing. but the upscaleing and deinterlacing is off which is the main part of the processor but the edge enhancement is on and so is the filtering, which is also part of the chip. Deinterlacing not needed being progressive 720p, and upscaleing also not needed do to the DVD player. the difference that you will see haveing the DVD player with it in there. are slightly fewer artifacts, only really noticable on very large models,( 61" ) and to answer your question Johnny, it will normally say on the front of your TV. there are only a few TV's with it though. you can also check your manual. it is normaly something they will brag about. |
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b. mathers Unregistered guest | your tv doesn't need faroudja since it scans at 1080i. jacob and i like the samsung dlp's that scans at 720p which means a dvd player needs to deinterlace the signal. anonymous above explains better than i can. basically you only need this chip if you have a fixed pixel display that scans progressively. (you can ignore our debate since even engineers can't agree as to whether the faroudja in a tv is disabled being fed a 720p signal from the 841) |
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Bronze Member Username: BootsPost Number: 12 Registered: Dec-03 | Whew! I feel like a real box of rocks listening to you guys! I was lucky to get the 841 working on DVI with my 51S500! Jacob - the date on the Registration form of the 841 says "Manufactured 2004.06", which I guess means June of 2004. What's the significance? BTW, wanted to say that the DVD-A (Clapton & BB - Riding with the King) and SACD (Dark Side of the Moon 5.1 remix) I bought sound awesome played on the 841 through my NAD T742 and PSB speakers! Does anyone have a good source online for reasonably priced DVD-As and SACDs? They sound so great, I have to get more!!! Boots |
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New member Username: Jamv4668Post Number: 5 Registered: Jul-04 | You guys are awesome. I'm glad I found this forum So I guess I have an ok HDTV set up. |
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New member Username: MacFt. Worth, Tx Post Number: 2 Registered: Jul-04 | Jacob, About your response... Is the 841 better for my TV in 1080i or should I try 720p(or can I even do that?). Does my TV have faroudja? Would it even be cost effective to wait for the 941 with faroudja? Or would it really change the picture that much? Matt |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 33 Registered: Jun-04 | Matt..... it will be better in 1080i on your TV. and your TV doesn't have DCDi. With your TV you would see a difference in the 941, but if you want to wait. I think you would be happy with the 841. And just one more thing to reiderate, you can't deinterlace 1080i (i stand for interlaced) if you did you would have 1080p and there are only a couple sets that can actually do that. |
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Theo K. Unregistered guest | Jacob, Not real familiar with PT-50LC13 -Matt's tv. Was curious if it is 720 by 1280 why is 1080i better with dvd? Your info has helped me to better understand what I should buy. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 34 Registered: Jun-04 | oops.... sorry matt you would get a better pic with 720p, thanks theo. i was thinking of a different tv, long day. :p |
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Bronze Member Username: BootsPost Number: 13 Registered: Dec-03 | Hi all, As I mentioned above, SACDs and DVDAs sound fantastic on the 841 (you do need seperate 5.1 inputs on your receiver) Does anyone know of a good site with good prices to purchase DVD-As and SACDs? THanks! Boots |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 35 Registered: Jun-04 | if it is a DTS DVDA you should be able to just use optical or digital coax, but it has to be a DTS DVDA. thats what we use for a big demos. http://www.thestore24.com/Boutiques/Store.aspx?si=rage-madhouse&refid=madhouse&S tore=154 seems to be a good place for DVDA. |
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Fuller Unregistered guest | Jacob, the HLP6163W running to a HD841 (using a M400 DVI to HDMI into the HDMI input on the TV) I will be okay right? I was told that the TV has Farouda (sp?) and the 841 is all I needed? Changing to the 941 would cause me to have to chnage cables (hdmi/hdmi) as well as an increase of $150 in price. BTW, I am using the M500 DVI cable for the input from the satellite. Thank You in Advance. |
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New member Username: SlobizmanPost Number: 4 Registered: Jul-04 | Okay, I read this entire thread and being a newbie on all this I'm still confused! I'm just going to ask a simple question and hopefully someone will just tell me what to do. My new Samsung 5063W DLP TV is about to arrive. I purchased the 841 at Best Buy yesterday, but it is still unopened and returnable. I simply want the best picture I can get with the least hassle. I'm not audiophile so I just want great sound from DVD movies, but it does not have to be the ultimate if's a lot more complicated or costly. I'll be connecting DVI-to-DVI (saving the TV's HDMI for my Hughes HR10-250, if I can ever get one). Do I: A) Stay with the 841 B) Return it and get the 931 C) Return it and wait for the 941 (really don't want to wait if it over a few weeks) |
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New member Username: SlobizmanPost Number: 5 Registered: Jul-04 | Hmmm...someone on the TIVO foprum recommended that I instead get the Zenith DVB318. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 38 Registered: Jun-04 | i would definatly still stick with the Samsung, for your tv you are going to want 720p not 1080i anyway, and that fact that the samsung dvd player uses DVI you will get a much better pic. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 39 Registered: Jun-04 | that sounds like a really good setup Fuller, you should be fine. |
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Ron Unregistered guest | 1) Anyone experience this problem with the 841? If I turn on the player with a disc already in there, the audio "blips" every few seconds as it goes to the disc menu. After that, it's fine. This does not happen if I insert the disc AFTER the unit has been turned on. I've heard some mumblings about audio problems with this player, and I would like to know if this is unique to mine and needs to be replaced. 2) Jacob, could you address the Zenith DVB318 question? I have no DVI input on my TV, and the Zenith reportedly upconverts to 1080i through component out. Which would provide a better picture quality for me? (Aside: the manual of my 841 says that through component, the player upconverts only to 720p... not true?). Thanks in advance, Ron |
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against hdcp Unregistered guest | DVD makers are not allowed to pass upconverted images (720 or 1080) through component outputs according to contracts they sign. Only dvi/hdmi is allowed due to content protection agreements. This is why the 841 will not work with a display not having hdcp. Unless seen in person, it is just rumor that the zenith dvb318 can pass upconversion through component. |
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Ron Unregistered guest | Not familiar with those restrictions... Can you provide more details? I talked to a Zenith rep and they ARE touting this as a 1080i upconvert through components. HOWEVER, availability in the U.S. is a big issue. It is back-ordered most places and Best Buy only sells online with no cuurent plans to carry in-store. Sounds shady if you ask me... The Zenith phone reps gave incorrect info about their local retailers (they cited Radio Shack, and upon calling THEM, they said absolutely that they DO NOT carry Zenith products. Smells like trouble. Any help with the 841 audio problem is greatly appreciated. TIA. |
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New member Username: SlobizmanPost Number: 6 Registered: Jul-04 | Quick question: In connecting my Samsung 841 to my Samsung 5063W 50" DLP, should I use DVI or Component Video.? Need to buy connections by tomorrow and am confused. |
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New member Username: SlobizmanPost Number: 7 Registered: Jul-04 | I reread the thread and think I answered my own quesiton above. I should go with the DVI cable. But I saw the comment someone made with the same setup as me. He said: [quote]I found it very confusing to set up the unit to use the DVI output. It seems you have to have it going to the TV with component video first, change it to DVI on the menu and connect the DVI cable to the TV in 10 seconds!!!![/quote] Is this really true? Do I really need to purchase Component Video cables just to set up my DVI? I hope not! |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 40 Registered: Jun-04 | just for setting it up you can use just composite cables, and switch it to the dvi that way. but it should have come with the DVI cable. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 41 Registered: Jun-04 | oh and by the way the Zenith does pass 1080i through component but you don't get to much of a increase in pic quality. its just not a very good conversion. |
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New member Username: SlobizmanPost Number: 8 Registered: Jul-04 | "just for setting it up you can use just composite cables, and switch it to the dvi that way. but it should have come with the DVI cable." Man, that is so strange! Just want to make sure I understand--if I want to set it and use it for DVI, I must first buy composite cable and connect it with that, then set it up as DVI, and then connect the DVI? It's just so hard to believe! Does the manual say this, or is this just what people found out? |
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against hdcp Unregistered guest | The restrictions against dvd makers not allowed to pass upconversion through component applies in the United States. One can import a player like the Zenith similar to buying a non region 1 player to play movies made for Japan, etc. If Zenith sells such a product in the U.S. they are in violation of the dvd consortium. More power to Zenith. Hdcp is wrong in my opinion. You can thank the greedy snakes in Hollywood. If hdcp passes full throttle, everyone who bought a high def display without dvi w/ hdcp will find their sets inoperative on high def broadcasts. Just ask the many disgruntled subscribers to Voom. For the latest news, keep an eye out for Senate hearings on these topics on cspan or similar network. |
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New member Username: SlobizmanPost Number: 9 Registered: Jul-04 | Well, I just opened up my manual on my new 841. It says, "If you want to convert Video Output to Progressive Scan & DVI, you have to first connect Component cable on your TV. Then select Component (525p/480p) within 10 seconds." I don't own any component cables, and I think they are around $100 aren't they!!! So, I have to go buy a set just for a one time use? Jacob, you said I could use "composite" cables to do this, but the manual says "Component." What's composite? Just the regular video cable? The box comes with a set of Video/audio cables, if that's what you mean. Also, if the unit is disconnected from power, does this have to be done all over again, or does it stay in memory? |
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Ron Unregistered guest | A development-- Best Buy has removed claims that the Zenith upconverts through component out. It has added a disclaimer that your TV must have a DVI connection to make the upconversion feature work. The plot thickens over at Zenith. So, am I to understand that the 841 has NO increase in PQ through the components above that of 3:2 progressive scan? I don't feel like importing a DVD player... I've had to take three back to the store in the last 3 weeks, and I don't want to try that with an import... Anyone have to do that? |
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Ron Unregistered guest | Interestingly enough, Zenith and Samsung are both not members of the DVD Consortium (now the DVD Forum). This is merely a union of companies, and, correct me if I am wrong, has no ultimate control of the manufacturing process other than what the FCC has mandated-- certainly not for non-members. Is there a LEGAL mandate? If not, I don't see any reason why a company couldn't build a deck to upconvert video through component or any other output device. Please help clarify... Thanks! |
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New member Username: SlobizmanPost Number: 10 Registered: Jul-04 | Got my 5031W and my 841 set up now. Man, using the DVI sure is screwy! When does that 941 come out? |
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Bronze Member Username: SlobizmanPost Number: 11 Registered: Jul-04 | I'm just thinking....if the 5063W upconverts anyway (and the 841 has a black/white crush problem via DVI and not Composite), can't I just use Component cable anyway for about the same picture and less hassle? Or any other DVD player for that matter? |
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New member Username: BrainPost Number: 1 Registered: Jul-04 | Jacob, you seem to be a wiz man, help me out bro. i bought the Panasonic PT-50LC13 and the Samsung DVD 841. are these two compatable? i tried the DVI pug first and got that snowie picture. should i try the component cables first, then select DVI output? thanks in advance man. |
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New member Username: LaladienPost Number: 1 Registered: Jul-04 | Boots- I just got my 841 last night from circuit city and I had the exact same problem with the disc tray. I watched Lion King 1 1/2 during the day, waited for the wife to get home, hit power and it just said load... then I unplugged it and powered it back up, hitting eject instead of power. It said "open" for forever and a day. I took it back and got another... I just hope it works out... Last question for anyone who wants to take it. I noticed in some widescreen movies, the player removes the bars. However, I tried watching Return of the King and the widescreen bars were present. Any thoughts? Thanks! |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 42 Registered: Jun-04 | you need to turn the dvi on after you connect with component cables, and yes it is compatable. Your TV is HDCP which is required to use the DVI. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 43 Registered: Jun-04 | the bars are there in some movies because the movies are filmed in different aspect ratios. widescreen doesn't mean just 16:9. |
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Terry W. Unregistered guest | I just bought the 841 a couple days ago, mainly because i wanted a universal player and the DVI/upconversion attracted me. I had some problems with the colored snow with my initial setup, but hooked up a composite cable to change the menu option and it worked fine. I do have a question: I have the Samsung hln61w, which DVI mode should i choose? A or B? I can't really notice a difference between the two. Regarding the DVD-A, DTS really isn't DVD-A. It's in my understanding that to get the benefit of the true Meridian Lossless, the player has to do the converting and transport through the analog 5.1 outs. TOSLINK doesn't offer the bandwidth needed for the 192kHz rate on 6 channels. I could be wrong, however. |
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New member Username: BrainPost Number: 2 Registered: Jul-04 | jacob, thanks dude! i'm having the same probems with the tray. exchanging it tonight so we'll see what happens. update tomorow... |
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equis220 Unregistered guest | Jacob, I would like to get the sammy hlp tv and the 941 w/ hdmi so I can use my dvi for hd. My question is hooking up the digital audio for 5.1 (not doing dvda or sacd yet) using dvd's. Does it make a difference if I use the digital out on the tv to my receiver or if I run directly from the 941 to my receiver? Thanks |
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Unregistered guest | So i am trying to figure all this stuff out. I just bought the hlp-5063 and have an older 200 disk dvd changer with component outputs. Will the TV upconvert the signal if I connect the player via the component cables? If so, what does it upconvert it to? If I buy a new dvd player either the 841 or 931 will that change the quality of the signal going to the tv? And last question, Comcast has hd cable in my neighborhood. If I get that, I suppose that it connects via component cable. What sort of signal does it send to the tv? Thanks for the help. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 44 Registered: Jun-04 | The TV will upconvert, it upconverts to 720p.and yes you will get a big jump in pic quality with a 841 or 931, I would sugest the 841. and as for comcast depending on the box that you get you will either connect by component or DVI. I would use your DVI for your DVD Player (sam dvdhd841). and the signal is dependent on the station you are watching. Fox 720p ESPNHD 1080i...... and soforth. |
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New member Username: BrainPost Number: 3 Registered: Jul-04 | i exchanged the 841 cause i was having problems with the tray like other people said and actually got one that works pretty good. i hooked up the component cables first and then the DVI cable and it looks tits. i'm stoked. |
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Deene Unregistered guest | Can someone tell me if the 841 plays: DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW ?? I've seen different listings of the above from different websites. I checked out the Samsung Box from BestBuy and I only noticed -R support listed. Thanks! |
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Bronze Member Username: BootsPost Number: 14 Registered: Dec-03 | As noted way back, I did exchange the 841 with the stuck tray, and so far have not had any problems with it (knock on wood) The DVI setup (tv is Hitachi 51S500) was a snap this time, having gotten over my confusion the first time. Picture is great on DVDs...comes close to the Comcast HD programs. Also, love the SACD sound through my NAD T742! 5.1 release of Dark Side of the Moon..amazing! Boots |
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Unregistered guest | Total newbie here (obviously). I was able to follow most of the discussion, but I need a few definitions. Could somebody (Jacob perhaps) define the following: dcdi, HDMI, HDCP, Faroudja chip. And how much quality am I losing by using component cables (instead of DVI) to connect the high def cable box to the TV? I'll be using the DVI for the DVD player. My current plan is to purchase the Samsung HLN467W TV and the Samsung DVDHD841 DVD player, to go along with the Comcast HD box. Sound like a good plan? |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 45 Registered: Jun-04 | depending on the TV DVI mode A or B offsets the picture a little bit, it is really noticable with things that are supposed to be centered. it playes all DVD-R and some of the rest. haven't had to many that didn't work. for the best sound you are going to want to run the sound directly to the reiceiver and the video directly to your tv if you are using DVI. DCDi stand for Directional Correlational DE-interlacing used in the samsung TV to upconvert and to filter incomeing Images, HDMI stands for High Definition Multimedia Interface it is a cable with High bandwith than DVI, and will carry a fully HD uncompressed stream as well as 6 channel sound. HDCP Stands for High Bandwith digital Content Protection It is becomeing the new standard in uncompressed digital streaming basicaly, if you have a tv that has HDCP on its DVI then the item being pluged in needs to be sending the image with HDCP or you wont see a pic, just colored snow no matter what you do. and Faroudja is in direct relation with DCDi they have recieved 3 emmys for there work in Video technologies, the are a division of Genesis Microchip, and the makers of DCDi. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jbagel2Orem, UT USA Post Number: 46 Registered: Jun-04 | I tried to answer everybodys questions. sorry if i missed any. |
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