Archive through July 20, 2004
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Anonymous | Does anyone have any new info on when the new Samsung HLP model's are coming out? I've seen all the DigiUpdate.com and DTVMax.com info, but I'm looking for some new info... Maybe from someone that works in retail and has talked with a Samsung rep... Has anyone heard specifically when the HLP4674W model will be available? Thanks! |
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Anon101 Unregistered guest | I am interested in the new HLP line too!! Does anyone know when they will be availble?? |
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Davidk Unregistered guest | I've been reading that they are due to be available in August. I was also told this by someone at |
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sawdust Unregistered guest | Circuit City has the new HLP4663W model on the floor now, I saw it there today for $3199. They also have a 10% off sale this week. They also had the 50 inch model. |
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Unregistered guest | Sawdust: Wher in the US are you? I called all of the Circuit City stores in LA but none have the HLP version yet. |
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Anonymous | best buy in hawthorne ca says they have them in their main warehouse, and will have a display anyday |
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sawdust Unregistered guest | I saw them in the store in Cary, NC |
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Chris_in_CA Unregistered guest | I called my local Circuit City (San Jose) and they said they had the new non-tantus table top sets in their computer -- but not at their particular store yet. When I asked them to look-up the new Tantus tabletop unit, that particular item didn't exist in their sytem yet. Guess I'll need to wait longer.. (sigh) - Chris |
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New member Username: GetclayPost Number: 1 Registered: Jun-04 | New are out already, bought 2 61 inch, but one of them has a problem. The screen goes blank, and you can't even pull up the TV menu. Can still hear sound though. Bought mine at Tweeter for ($3850). They price matched Costco who has them also. Thank God that I bought the 5 year warranty for 5 years. They are taking 3 days to get out to fix the problem, but the warranty was only $250. I am worried that I might have made the wrong decision, how can a brand new TV only 3 weeks old fail like that? Not the bulb either, because it does work a couple hours at a time, then nothing... Not worried, Tweeter will take it back no problem if there is not a good reason. Can upgrade 4 months from them... Clay |
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Nick B Unregistered guest | Clay, The HLP models have definitely not been out for 3 weeks already. Are you sure you don't have the HLN model for sale on Tweeter's website? "Samsung HLN617W DLP based 61" widescreen High Definition Upgradeable TV" The HLNs have been problematic in the past; hopefully the HLPs are better. |
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New member Username: GetclayPost Number: 2 Registered: Jun-04 | Nick, I apologize for the misinformation. I do in fact have an HLN, but I do have the newer HLN, the HLN617W1, which is not that old. The differences were minor I think, but one of them was not being prompted with all the input channels when changing them. I am bummed out about buying the HLN with the HLP around the corner. MAybe I can upgrade them from Tweeter. Repair guy will be around tomorrow. Clay |
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New member Username: GetclayPost Number: 3 Registered: Jun-04 | Everybody, If you did not buy from Tweeter, then you are not well informed. They are exchanging my 2 61" DLPs, HLN617W1, for the new HLP 6163W, at no extra charge. I also have had the audi/sync problem, been trying to work it out with Samsung, but only Tweeter's has taken care of me. They have a 60 day price match, no restocking fee, and a 60 day defective exchange. Not only that, they will upgrade you for 4 months. Also, I bought so much from them, that they beat all internet prices, and I pay minimum on warranties. Build a strong relationship with your Tweeter rep, like calling Chris at Tweeter's in Encinitas, CA at 760-634-1112. He will hook you up. Tell him that Clay sent you, and he will give you the best price in town. I trust him very much. Now, the new HLP has fixed the audio/sync problems, and it is a 3rd gen chip that will make major headlines. I have not given up on this great technology. I am also an IT Manager for 15 years now, and this is my hobby. Thank God for some good companies out there likes Tweeter. Good luck if you buy this stuff on the net. Let me know what you think... Clay |
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New member Username: GetclayPost Number: 4 Registered: Jun-04 | Nick, I was misinformed again. The HLPs are out now, Tweeter's in Encinitas, CA, has them on the shelves. I could not believe how much better they are than the HLNs. I am having two 61" HLNs exchanged for new 61" HLPs, but I have to wait a couple weeks for those. They have the 40 something inch, the 50", and the 56" in stock right now. They also have the really cool 50" on the tripod. That is really something to see. Hoping the HLPs will not have the same audio/video sync problem, and I have been informed that they do not. Clay |
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N Unregistered guest | ( May 16, 2004 / SEA) SAMSUNG Makes History Once Again With The Launch Of Its Next Generation DLP TV For The 3rd Year In Row Samsung Debuts Ground-Breaking DLP Technology: Samsung Launches Its 63 Series, The First DLP TVs To Utilize DLP HD3 Chips And The HLP5085W, A 50" Pedestal Series DLP That "Fits Where Others Won't" New York, NY - Samsung Electronics America, Inc., an innovative pioneer of DTV technologies, launched today its new DLP lineup, which includes its 63-Series, the first DLP TVs to use next generation DLP HD3 chip. In addition, Samsung introduced the HLP5085W, a new 50" pedestal DLP TV that offers consumers a system that couples compact, compelling design with best-of-class performance. The new DLP lineup will be on display at the Home Entertainment Show, May 21-23 at the New York Hilton. "Historically, Samsung has made a tremendous contribution at the Home Entertainment show and this year is no different," said Steve Panosian, Director of Marketing for Samsung?s Visual Display Group. "Two years ago Samsung captured tremendous attention when we launched our first series of DLP televisions here. Since then, Samsung has led the charge and positioned DLP as a technology that offers superior picture and performance at a tremendous value. This year we are proud to make history again as the first manufacturer to offer next generation DLP HD3 technology. Combined with our new Cinema Smooth Gen 3HD and Gen 4HD advanced light engines, Samsung will re-define micro-display picture performance across the entire product line. We expect this new series to become the reference for all others to follow and it underscores our commitment to consumers - they know they can rely on Samsung to continue to drive the marketplace and stay on top of improvements in HDTV technology." Samsung's new 63 series of DLPs range in screen sizes from 46" to 63", including the 46" HLP4663W, the 50" HLP5063W, the 56" HLP5663W and the 61" HLP6163W. Samsung's new Cinema Smooth Light Engine brings consumers improved brightness, a 1500:1 contrast ratio and a seamless, stunning film-like picture. In addition, the 63 series also converts all inputs to its native display format 1,280 x 720 progressive display via all new and enhanced video processing enhancements that begin with Samsung?s latest DNI-e video enhancer and a new 3:2 pull down and scaling solution chipset from Genesis Microchips. These enhancements combined with improvements in the color correction system, the addition of 1 DVI-HDTV input and 1 HDMI input plus 2 Component Video Input, ensure that the 63-series DLP TVs by Samsung are positioned as clear performers that will set a new standard for micro-display sets this year. Each of these models will be in stores by end of June and July 2004. The HLP4663W has a MSRP of $3,299. The HLP5063W has an MSRP of $3,699. The HLP5663W has an MSRP of $4,199. The HLP6163 has an MSRP of $4,699. The new floor-standing pedestal-mounted designer series opens with the new HLP5085W, which is sure to catch the eye of the consumer whether it?s on or off. This beautiful system is designed with HD2 Plus Texas Instrument DMD Chipset, the Samsung Proprietary Cinema Smooth Gen 4HD Optic System and has outstanding black levels that weigh in at a minimum of 2500:1 contrast ratio, a dramatic performance improvement. Functional enhancements include a discreet IR code operation DVI, HDMI, PC inputs and 2 HD component video inputs. This new generation of DLP TV offers a unique balance of style and performance at an affordable price point. The HLP5085 will be available at the end of July 2004 and has an MSRP of $4,299.00. A 56" version, the HLP5685W, will launch in July with a MSRP of $4999.99 Also on display at the Home Entertainment Show this weekend is Samsung's DLP Front Projector, the SPH700AE. Samsung's first entry into the front projection business is expected to re-define DLP picture quality for the single DMD class of front projectors. Samsung's video processing enhancements include a revolutionary color correction solution made possible through industry guru Joe Kane. Samsung's SPH700AE has been the hit of past shows going back to the CEDIA 2003 and the most recent NAB Show. "Samsung's first entry into the front projection business is an important step in upholding our light engine expertise and DLP technology as the best in class choice for consumer home theater," said Panosian. "Combining Samsung's micro-display projector know-how, Joe Kane's standards for colorimeters, and Texas Instruments' HD2 Plus DMD, we think the most discerning home theater enthusiast will experience a new level of performance for the under $30,000 price range of projectors. Samsung's SPH700AE is positioned at a $12,999.99 MSRP. |
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RB Unregistered guest | I wanted to ask Clay what are the primary differences you noticed/appreciated between the HLN and HLP? I'm in Saskatchewan Canada and it's going to be even longer before we get the HLP's on shelves up here to compare them. The HLN's may be priced low to clear out; is the HLP that much better, and worth paying a lot more for? I found an interesting website. The section on HDTV goes into a lot of detail (scattered throughout the lengthy article) between the Samsung HLN and HLP models, and the importance of getting a W1 designation (you have to check the box, apparently)if someone is getting a clearout HLN model. Also some info on the ten new Toshiba DLP sets that will all have the new HD2+ chip. Hope someone finds it useful: |
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oh well Unregistered guest | The press release is interesting but sad, because the only model samsung mentions with the hd3 is a 61 inch model that costs $10,000. By winter, lcos will be also probably be available. It is expected to be much cheaper with better display capabilities than even the second tier dlp hd2 tv's. |
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New member Username: GetclayPost Number: 5 Registered: Jun-04 | RB, There are several differences that I have noticed between the HLP and HLN models. They are: 1.) The obvious video/audio syncronization problem has been fixed. Depending on other AV equipment that you may use, there could be a 1-2 second delay between audio and video. This was very disappointing after spending 4K on the set (but being upgraded to HLPs by Tweeter at no extra charge). 2.) The additional color wheel and further chip improvements make the HLP a significant difference. I really could not believe the difference, and I saw both models side by side. The HLPs truely like like a plasma (without the screen burn-in, glare, and twice the cost for a similiar size). 3.) The foot print of the new HLP is incredibly smaller, and I like the newer look. Yes, it may look similiar, but the backs are the the volume, and the HLP is much more slimmer. 4.) The HLP has additonal component connectors, and it also includes HDMI. Yes, HDMI is still some time away, but I will that capability for a more advanced cable HDTV box or DVR. HDMI is will be out soon. Still comes with DVI. 5.) The HLP has a new chip, HD3, and this is a significant. It was slike going from the 486DX CPU to the Pentium. Not sure if it is a true generation change (twice the processing power at half the speed), but it looks like it. The HLNs are not really priced to close out at Tweeter, but that may be a different sotry elsewhere. I have an honest contact with the most reputable company in San Diego, and I am not being charged any extra for my 2 61" HLP upgrades (after buying HLNs 6 weeks ago). Nobody has ever treated me better than Chris from Tweeter in Encinitas, CA. He told me that a 61" HLP will only cost about $150 more, but that will quickly go down after a couple months on the market. Now as far as other DLP sets, there are now many compamies who are coming out with them now, like Mitsubishi, Toshiba, and Sony. Why is this happening??? I will tell you, because Samsung built the first set, and they are having huge success. They made the first set using a Texas Instrument chip, and it is the hottest thing on the TV market now. Are you going with the pionnering company who made this possible, or are you going with somebody who can only re-engineer the product and come as close as they can without patent infringement. I never thought that I would ever by a Sansung anything after owing Sony for more than 20 years, but I bought 2 Samsung DLPS for myself and 1 for my Mom, because they looked as good as a plasma, and it will always look new unlike a plasma. By the way, I do have the W1 DLPs, and they are the ones that I mention here. They still have many of the same old problems, but the HLPs will be the best selling TV this year, and I will put money on that. Go out there see for yourself before you buy anything. A good dealer like Tweeter will put any 2 sets next to each other if you are a serious buyer (Chris will at Tweeter in Encinitas, CA). I could have also purchased 3 50" plasmas at double the cost, no problem, but it made no sense after seeing them next to the Samsung DLPS. I have a friend who spent 10K on a plasma 2 years ago, and I feel sorry for him today because it is quickly fading away... Anyway, stay away from the HLN, other DLP makers who are only trying to copy Samsung, and Internet dealers. You will be in big trouble if you do not have a 5 year warranty from a local and reputable dealer. I learned all my lessons the hard, and I hope that you do not have to do the same. Take care, I am really trying to help other from my own experience, and I enjoy it. Clay |
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New member Username: GetclayPost Number: 6 Registered: Jun-04 | I should use a spell check after reviewing my last post, hehehe. I am always in rush, usally to Tweeter Clay |
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RB Unregistered guest | Thanks for your reply, Clay. It really does help our decision. Up here we will have no way of comparing the models ourselves for awhile (and unfortunately, not only are we are a long way from Encinitas, I don't think Canada has any Tweeter stores). The article (which was written in mid May)that I mentioned in my first posting said that it was unclear if the first HLP's in stores would have the new 7 segment color wheel. It sounds like the set you saw has the new wheel...would your contact Chris know if any sets were coming out without this upgrade? (It doesn't make sense to me that Samsung would do that, but it must have been a possibility). Thanks again for your great info! |
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Guest Unregistered guest | Does anyone know if the new HLP models are any better at displaying SD content? SD on the HLN did not look so great. |
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New member Username: GetclayPost Number: 7 Registered: Jun-04 | Guest, What is SD content? I am curious and might be able to assist. Clay |
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New member Username: GetclayPost Number: 8 Registered: Jun-04 | RB, I tried calling Chris, but Monday and Tuesday is his day off. I will also check with him if there is a Tweeter in Canada, or at least somebody locally to Saskatchewan that you can deal with. Everything that I have read mentions a 7th segment color wheel. Where did you see this? All that I can state is that I saw the HLN and HLP side-by-side, and it was a significant difference. I do not understand why the HLP sets are not on the shelves in Canada when they are in the States. I will write the forum tomorrow with a definite answer on the color wheel. Take care neighbor. Clay |
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Terefel Unregistered guest | Hey all, I bought the HLP5063 2 weeks ago here in southern california. I love it! I went into Good Guys after some reasearch and like so many others I WANTED to love the sony..... but seeing them side by side it was really no comparison. I didn't even know the HLP was out yet until I saw it on the floor. The sales guys didn't even know much about it. I bought it then and there anyway. Picture looks great, handles glare pretty well I think. Only complaint is during really dark dark scenes the colors seem to drain a little, red turn a little brwonish but it could have just been my DVD player or the dvd. Samsung just FINALLY put the tv up on the USA website last night. If you look closely you'll see that its a different stand. You can tell by the corners of the bottom shelf and the contour on the top shelf. Does anybody know the model number or when that's due to hit the market? The old TR5050 seems like a waste if theres a newer model coming out that will better fir the new contours of the HLP. Also if anyone has the TR5050... is that brushed metal or is it painted wood? Thanks guys! |
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Terefel Unregistered guest | I withdraw my question. they just uploaded the new brochure for it. It lists the stand as the: TR50LS3 |
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New member Username: GetclayPost Number: 9 Registered: Jun-04 | Terefel, We both did well, and enjoy! I am going to look at the black more when I get my HLNs replaced. Try making some adjustments on your video to bring more balance to black. Out of the box, I noticed that the color is set very high. Take care. Clay |
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Bronze Member Username: GetclayPost Number: 11 Registered: Jun-04 | RB, The new HLPs have the 7 color segmment wheel. As a matter of fact, Samsung just posted the specifications last night for a 50" (be sure you look at USA option, not in Canada now). I did not have time today to speak with Chris, but I called his manager. He states that there is not a Tweeter in Canada, but I am sure that you can go out and build a bond with some reputable local rep in your area. It might might take some time, but leverage your vendors as much as possible (with diplomacy and kindness). Stay away from agressive sales people, they don't care about you. I thought that Cananda has the same stock that we do, but it appears that the States are used for testing before being deployed worldwide. Look at it this way, the bugs are worked out before it lands next door. Just make sure you get a 5 year warranty for the set from a local dealer (things happen). Hold out, it will be worth the wait (but I never can hold out myself, I am addicted to new technology). Have you seen the Samsung on the pedestal? Never seen anything like it, but I need a normal stand to place my components below the set. Message me for anything. Take care. Clay |
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Terefel Unregistered guest | Clay, the color is a little bright out of the box, I'll definetely spend a little time on the balancing. Thanks! |
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Anonymous | HD2 Existing 0.8" 1280x720 1000:1 LG, Older Optoma, Older RCA -------------- HD3 New 0.55" 1280x720 1500:1 Replaces HD2. Smaller size. Designed for high volume, low-cost production. Incremental improvements: DarkChip2, SmoothPicture Samsung 2004 base models are the first ones to use this chip. ----------------------- HD2+ New 0.8" 1280x720 2500:1 Higher end 720p chip. Dimple fix, DarkChip2 Already shipping in Sharp 12000 and other front projectors. Samsung higher end models (pedestal 50", 56" and tantus 46", 56"), Panasonic DLP, New model from Optoma, many new front projectors, Toshiba ----------------------- xHD3 New 0.9" 1920x1080 5000:1 Dynamic Black, DarkChip2, SmoothPicture Demonstrated on a Samsung set. Delivery targeted for later part of 2004 ======================= from Digiupdate : http://www.digiupdate.com/105_DLP_RPTV.html clueless better to be educated then guess ;) |
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Anonymous | the OLD N models are HD2 the NEW P model Samsungs are HD3 models the NEW P model Tantus Models are HD2+ (which is better the HD3) clueless_in_pittsburgh |
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New member Username: MagicpwrFL Post Number: 1 Registered: Jun-04 | Anonymous just contacted Sound Advice in Altamonte Springs, FL. They have 50" HLP table model in stock and pedestal model is in their inventory software, but no inventory or shipping dates are in there yet. Means they are expecting some in within 30-45 days. |
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Bronze Member Username: GetclayPost Number: 12 Registered: Jun-04 | Anonymous, That is great info, and I appreciate your post. Wish that I could own the Tantus with the HD2+ chip, but the total component footprint is small. I have not seen the 50" HLP (standard model) sitting next to the Tantus 50", but my Tweeter rep is going to arrange this for me on Saturday. Why do I do all this? Really don't know, but I am having fun. I will be happy to report back to the forum over the weekend. Take care. Clay |
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Bronze Member Username: GetclayPost Number: 13 Registered: Jun-04 | What will Sony DLP's look like, not being the true pioneers of DLP? RCA caught on after Samsung built the first set, but has anyone seen those two sets side-by-side (RCA and Samsung). It was not a difficult decision (see your optomologist if you can't see the difference!). We should see DLP from Mitsubishi, Phillips, Pioneer, and Sony very soon, and then it will get very interesting for us. Why are they all coming out with this technology now? Clay |
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Anonymous | for me the Panasonic DLP will be the one to watch for price vs performance. the list price of their 50 will be less then the Tantus 46 and it will also have the HD2+ chip !!! they made a DLP last year then had issues and canceled makeing any more... I think with texas instruments on licensing... looks like it's resolved cause they are back ! Clueless in Pittsburgh, PA ;-) |
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AJ Unregistered guest | Clay I have been waiting since Dec. 2003 for the HLP567W to reach the market. I look at these forums daily for new information. One thing I am interested in, is how "non" HD signals look. I have the Dishnetwork as my supplier. They have some HD signals, but mostly just normal digital broadcasting, which is probably what I'll watch most. I want a high quality picture with normal broadcasting as well as the ability to receive HDTV. Can you or anyone shed light? |
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Unregistered guest | Any idea when the 61" HLP will be available? I am hoping to have one in my home b4 Labor Day. Any reviews on this model I should know about? Thanks |
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Guest Unregistered guest | Clay- SD = Standard Definition Are these sets any better than HLN in terms of displaying SD content? |
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Bronze Member Username: GetclayPost Number: 14 Registered: Jun-04 | AJ, Unless I am mistaken, all broadcasting will be done in HD by 2006. This is what you need to stay focused on. I wanted the best HDTV picture that I could afford, because more and more channels are getting there. Thinking about VOOM for interim, they have 40 HDTV channels and less than what I pay now for cable. I have not had any trouble with the regular channels, and they look even better on the HLP. I did have to turn down the color level a little. It really comes down to the signal from your provider for most sets overall... Clay |
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nick b ne Unregistered guest | Has anyone seen a regular rear projection TV that supports 1080i run a 1080i feed next to the Samsung running that same feed in 720p? I know the Samsung will probably be much brighter and will have a better viewing angle, but there is still something unsettling about paying over twice as much for a TV that offers less raw detail. Has anyone else thought about this? |
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Anonymous | Recall reading that Samsung contends 720p is better for viewing fast action content such as sports. |
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MBK Unregistered guest | So whats the deal on the HLP4674W people say they are out are they? I was reading end of august ? Also my primary use for this monitor is for replacing my 22" viewsonic monitor and using the HLP4674W. I think this will be the way to go -MBK |
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jb510 Unregistered guest | First there is NO requirement that broadcasters EVER go to HD, only that they go digital. Regarding 720p vs 1080i, well discussed on numerous websites and threads. You'd be hard pressed to notice the difference between a 720p set and 1080i set. Most HD digital displays are 720p, since digital displays are inherently progressive. Most HD CRT's are 1080i since CRT lends itself toward interlaced signals. As far is which is better... just think about how much information is in each frame... hint: 1080i is really 540 lines per frame, whereas 720p is 720 lines per frame. The "72op is better for fast action argument" is because you're less likely to lose detail between the interlaced lines. Again if you're worried about losing that kind of detail you'll enjoy reading all the technical details about how you could lose a few pixels of detail between the lines... IMHO, you're watching to close. 1080p will be amazing, but what content will there be for it? HD-DVD in 5+ years? I haven't heard of any broadcast standard for it, and really doubt there will be much demand for it for a LONG time. |
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clueless_in_pittsburgh Unregistered guest | 1080p will be allow for higher res port of a computer plugged into the TV :-) be able to read text when surfing the web easier clueless_in_pittsburgh |
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terefel Unregistered guest | great point! Whats the best way to connect a pc to the sammy? my laptop has both svid and the regular monitor out. |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 45 Registered: May-04 | Can someone tell me what "the rainbow effect" is on a DLP tv? I could take a guess but I was hoping someone here has a better explaination. Thanks! |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 47 Registered: May-04 | Just thought I'd post this link, very cool stuff.... http://www.digiupdate.com/105_DLP_RPTV.html Check out that T-model one. I want that thing |
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New member Username: EsjPost Number: 1 Registered: Jul-04 | Crutchfield has the samsung hlp 5663 in stock |
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clueless_in_pittsburgh Unregistered guest | PC Connection - umm get a small desktop style pc like the gamers use with a Digital out like you use to plug in a LCD monitor... not analog (S Video) then get something like Snapstream Program and a good TV Tuner Card and you have your self an Better TIVO system with as much HD space as you want (cheap to buy HD for standard PCs) ... plus burn your stuff to DVDs ... all sorts of potential if you like to tinker with computers... |
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CWPOPI Unregistered guest | I HEARD THAT CIRCIUT CITY WILL HAVE THE HLP6163 THAT IAM WAITING FOR. I ALMOST BOUGHT THE HLN617W,THE SALESMAN TOLD ME WAS THE NEWEST BUT I LEARNED THAT IT WASNT THE NEW ONE |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 50 Registered: May-04 | yea Crutchfield has the Samsung HL-P5063W there. Not a bad price, $3500. Should be a little less, but I still think I'll wait for other models to come out. DLP seems iffy but better than plasma |
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cwpopi Unregistered guest | i was told in a week and a half circut city will have the hlp 6163 hurry hurry hurry i cant wait |
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cwpopi Unregistered guest | should i get the hln617w or the hlp6163 is it that much better to justify the wait and spending more money please help |
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Bronze Member Username: EmkmdPost Number: 68 Registered: Dec-03 | Just wait. The picture is supposed to be better and the inputs will all do HD. -E |
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John in Torrance Unregistered guest | You guys are great! Simply fantastic. I got the bug to upgrade my 27" tube about 4 months ago but decided to take this week off from work and really investigate my new home theater purchase. As of last night I'd narrowed it down to the Sony KDF-60XBR950 and the Samsung HLN617W. Every store I went to pushed the Samsung hard. Now I know why! They're trying to offload the HLN for the upcoming HLPs! It's one thing to buy a TV and have the next generation ship in 6 months, another to have it ship in a week! Even here in LA it's difficult to see the Sony and Samsung side-by-side with HD feeds. But based on everything I've read, and the price, and from what I've seen from the different showrooms, I'm going to go with the HLP6163. The Sony is an absolutely beautiful TV, but I just can't get over the thought that I'd be paying $1000 for the name. The Samsung was right up there, and now that I know that the leading edge of the next generation is here, I think the extra money is well worth having an excellent TV that will last several years or more. I couldn't have been as sure about my decision without the links and information posted here. Thanks again! |
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RTRski Unregistered guest | Crutchfield has the HLP4663 and 5063 in stock already. Ditto J&R, which also shows the 6163 online. Email to J&R about HLP5085 (HD2+, pedastal 50" version) and they say they will be getting it in, listing at $3999. Saw the 4663 at a Circuit City in Arlington, TX this week, so they are definitely pretty well distributed at this point. It was not 'side by side' with the equivalent HLN model, but showing the same content. If I can trust that the store's vid splitter wasn't too imbalanced (dangerous, I know) the better contrast ratio of the HLP model was definitely visible. But I'm holding out for the HD2+ rather than the HD3 based models. I have yet to find *ANYONE* (internet or local retailer) acknowledge they have heard of the HLP4674 or whatever the HD2+ "Tantus" version of the tabletop 46" model will be called, aside from the info on Digiupdate which is pretty outdated at this point. So...I may have to talk the wife into going 50" and pedastal mount instead.... ;-) |
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terefel Unregistered guest | John, I know its a trek but (at least a few weeks ago) the good guys in the beverly connection had the sony lcd right next to the sammy hlp, and the xbr was immediately around the corner. |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 55 Registered: May-04 | terefel, so which was better? |
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prady Unregistered guest | Any news on when exactly HLPs(with HD2+) will be available. |
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Anonymous | HEY THE NEW MITS ARE HD2+ and are outstanding!!! |
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Unregistered guest | A concern. I was planning on purchasing the new 61" HLP shortly but recently someone told me that all Samsung DLP's show a maximum of 720p. That would mean a satellite receiver that outputs 1080 would be useless. Is this true? Isnt this a major drawback? I was told that the Sony LCD's can display 1080. Thanks for your advice. |
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Unregistered guest | LOVE THIS SITE JOHNHCULVER |
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Bronze Member Username: EmkmdPost Number: 70 Registered: Dec-03 | Zubin, The Samsung will accept a 1080i signal and convert it to 720p. Also your sat box should be able to output 1080i or 720p. -E |
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Anonymous | Pretty interesting guys. I've been looking closely for a few weeks and narrowed it down to the Sammy 5063 vs the LG 52SZ61D. Very difficult to tell them apart. The price is about the same for either. The LG is 2" larger but the Sammy has the latest technology in the HD3 chip. It also seems like the extended warranty is well worth it as who knows what kind of problems we can have in a few years. I'm also thinking it's worth paying a few dollars more to buy from a local bricks and mortar shop rather than on-line. Most of the on-line sites say no returns on any TV larger than 20" - period! very risky. Other thoughts - after spending $3K + - it will also be necessary to spend $200+ on cables. It may also be necessary to buy a monster power type filter. I've noticed all the retailers have monster cables as well as monster power filters on their demo TV's. I'm a little worried what the non-HD signals will look like at home w/o this extra stuff. Also, was at Costco today and they had a 56" Vizio (TI) for $2,999 minus $400 instant rebate = $2,599 - Wow! Unfortunately they did not have any worthwhile signal or video feed. With Costco being as customer friendly as they are, there's probably little risk here. My only complaint is that the Vizio 56" is over 43" tall - a little too big for my built-ins. Back again to HD2 vs. HD3. The local Home Theatre Store here told me to wait for HD4 towards the end of this year. He said the Sammy factory rep told him the HD3 was really not any better than the HD2's. Judging by my side-by-side comparison of the LG HD2 and the 5063 I have to agree. I did compare a Sammy 5065 and 507W HD2's with the 5063 and thought the HD3 5063 was actually brighter - the colors were actually better as well. How about the Optoma RD50? They are $2,999 at Fryes and have HD2 technology. This reminds me of an old Police song from my youth - too much information running through my brain, too much information driving me insane! |
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New member Username: Bjenn1455Harvest, AL USA Post Number: 2 Registered: May-04 | Anonymous, Thanks for the info. I too was at Costco and looked at the Vizio. Didn't look good but it was a poor signal. The Panny 60" LCD projection TV was there also for $3200 with stand. How do you think the LCD projections stack up against DLPs? |
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New member Username: TmskilzPost Number: 1 Registered: Jul-04 | Hey guys, newbie here. Quick question, how well do DLP's handle video gaming? I'm an avid video gamer & currently play Xbox game son my outdated Sony Triniton (1989) model. It's been repaired once before & the image is poor now so am looking into purchasing an HDTV set by the end of this yr to early next yr. DLP has caught my interest & I'm saving up for a possible Samsung DLP (xHD3) model coming out soon. Thanks for your help & keep up the great info & posts guys. |
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terefel Unregistered guest | Marty, I bought the Samsung, but I can't necesarily say its better.... I love my samsung 100%, but it all depends on your eye, because your eye will be the one watching and all eyes are different (you might see the rainbow where most dont, etc) |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 82 Registered: May-04 | terefel, I agree with you. I think the Sony and Sammy look almost identical. I just don't like how the Sony only comes in 61" and their speaker system on it is much bigger in size. I don't care for that |
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Zubin Unregistered guest | Eric K Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 10:43 am: Zubin, The Samsung will accept a 1080i signal and convert it to 720p. Also your sat box should be able to output 1080i or 720p. Erik- OK But I heard that the Sony LCD's do not down convert the signal and are able to display 1080. The other bulky, less expensive RPTV's can display 1080 why cant the Samsung DLP? Does it make sense to pay $4k on a TV that cant display the highest HD resolution available? |
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New member Username: JrestSt. Louis, Missouri USA Post Number: 6 Registered: Jun-04 | TMSKILZ- I have asked that question several times but no one seems to answer, so I guess people here don't play Xbox or PS2. Like you, I'm in the market for a new DLP tv, (most likely will get the newly released HLP5063W) and play video games, although not as much as I used to. The xHD3 models are suppposed to start in the $4,000 range...too much for my blood. I'm having a hard time fighting my conscience for this new samsung which I can probably get for under 3 grand. But I too have an old Sony Trinitron from like 1991, so it's time for an upgrade. I'm on my way now to Circuit City which has the HLP5063W to see how the images look and see if I can get a good price on it. |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 83 Registered: May-04 | Jaime - I saw the 5063W for $3199 at CC. Let me know if you get to test it with a game console such as PS2. I too would love to play some Grand Theft Auto or Madden 2005 on one of those tvs because I plan on getting on within the year. |
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New member Username: JrestSt. Louis, Missouri USA Post Number: 7 Registered: Jun-04 | I just returned from circuit city and the guy was extremely helpful and knowledgeable about all this. He said that the HLP series has all but eliminated the problem with game consoles, due mainly to several modification from the HLN series. One concern I have is that he said that in order to have HD with DISH Network, I'd need 2 satellites!!! as opposed to Direct TV...and that only Direct TV boxes have the DVI with HDCP and not any from DISH network. Is this true?!!? I may just have to cancel my installation with DISH. |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 84 Registered: May-04 | wait wait, so whats wrong with using a PS2 or Xbox on the HLP model? |
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Bronze Member Username: EmkmdPost Number: 71 Registered: Dec-03 | Martini, I don't have an xbox but I think the problem on the HLN was with the inputs. There was not one that could do both 480i and 720p. So you would have to set up the xbox with the 480i input and switch it over to one of the HD inputs to play games in 720p. -E |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 86 Registered: May-04 | Well I know that PS2 does NOT have HD capability. If I was running games on a Sammy DLP tv, I would have it going thru my receiver which would be a component connection to the tv. Therefore, which input setting or whatever would I get out of it? Would it be 720p? |
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Anonymous | Zubin, You were told wrong. The Sony LCDs can only display 720p as well. I am not aware of any LCD or DLP based projection TV currently out that supports 1080i. Besides, 720p is arguably an as good or better picture (having something to do with progressive vs. interlaced). |
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New member Username: TmskilzPost Number: 9 Registered: Jul-04 | Hey Jamie, Thanks for the info. I would bet that these new TV sets coming out have taken care of that burn in issues caused by video games. You say starting price of $4,00 for the DLP sets with xHD3 chips in it huh? I thought I saw it around $6,000. I'll keep my eye out on this. |
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New member Username: RusslHolbrook, NY USA Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-04 | Purchased my 5063W at PC Richards (major Long Island appliance / electronics chain) last Friday for $2,799, 12 months interest free. They beat Circuit City's $2,899 18 months interest free. Set came on Saturday and was up and running in just a few minutes. Way beyond my expectations for standard TV. DVDs look great. Cablevision is coming this Saturday to install their HDTV set-top box. Will give an update after I view HDTV for a day or two. |
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Bronze Member Username: JrestSt. Louis, Missouri USA Post Number: 13 Registered: Jun-04 | Russell, Congrats on your tv purchase. I'm assuming that's the HLP series you bought?!!? I'm considering that TV myself. Contingent on if Dish Network can create a cable outlet into my spare bedroom? My townhouse is wired everywhere except for that room. Anyway, CC here in STL doesn't have that tv for 2,899. I hope you'll report back with your thoughts on your new tv. DO you use a playstation2 /xbox? curious as to how that performs on this dlp series. |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 92 Registered: May-04 | I pay about $60 for Digital Cable through Comcast...anyone know how much HD tv costs through any company? |
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Huskr84 Unregistered guest | All... Samsung has announced their first xHD3 system will be out in November in a 61" model (HL-P6197) at a MSRP of $6499. |
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Unregistered guest | WHEN WILL THE TV INDUSTRY BE REQUIRED TO GO HIGH DEFINITION (HDTV), OR WILL THEY ONLY BE REQUIRED TO GO DIGITAL? |
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Bronze Member Username: JrestSt. Louis, Missouri USA Post Number: 16 Registered: Jun-04 | Martini, Why do you ask?!!? Dish Network is coming out to my place tomorrow morning. My monthly bill will be $55.64. (this is for the "America 120" + the HD channels. I'm getting 1 HD reciever (the 811) and I believe 2 SD receivers for my other rooms. I'm planning on hooking 3 tv's. I'll tell you tomorrow how it goes. |
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Hugh Unregistered guest | Martini,I pay right at $110 a month for my Direct Tv. I have all of the channels,movie channels and HD included,but no adult programming. The HD line up is:HBO HD,Showtime HD,ESPN HD,Discovery HD(awesome!),HDNET Movies,HDNET,ETV HD and 3 locals in HD. The HD package is an extra $10 a month. I think it's worth it. Just as a side note to everyone,I've had my HLP5063 for 5 days now and it rocks.Although I don't really notice much of a change in picture quality from my old 50" HLN. There are some nice new features they added in the menu though. I'm also still experiencing SOME audio/video sync issues. That is very disappointing because that was most of the reason I returned my old HLN. |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 93 Registered: May-04 | Hugh, So what Sammy DLP tv do you have now? Just from the audio sync problems that are happened, I am going to wait this tv out and also wait on more HD channels. I need there to be wayyy more HD channels to make it worth the investment. Yea its only $10 more a month, but its the fact that I have to buy a bigger and more expensive tv. Not to mention there have been problems with audio sync, and isn't there issues with playing PS2 or Xbox on these DLP tvs? Jamie, Why do you assssssk?!?! What do you mean? And I guess America 120 is 120 channels of normal tv? |
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Bronze Member Username: JrestSt. Louis, Missouri USA Post Number: 18 Registered: Jun-04 | Martini, Go to www.dishnetwork.com and you'll see the channel lineup for the different packages. I went with the 120, because it seems to be the best value for the channels you get. I'll be paying $39.99 which includes local channels and additional $9.99 for HD channels. I'm waiting for them to arrive. (Between 8am-noon central time). Yes, I've heard of the slight sync problem, but that is not the fault of the tv...more the fault of the signal. I notice lip/sync problems with some channels on my 27" Sony Tube TV. That's part of the reason I'm dumping my cable provider...overpriced and crap signal. |
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Bronze Member Username: MartiniPost Number: 95 Registered: May-04 | what is the best way to notice audio lip sync problems? Anyone have a particalur show or something to watch so I can test my cable company on this issue. |
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Kendel Unregistered guest | Anyone have trouble with 720p signals on the HLN507W1 models. I have Charter HD Cable witha Motorola Box. When I set the output of the cable box to 720p, I only get a flickering picture. The tv appears to be unable to sync. I am using component inputs. Do I possibly have to use the DVI? Thanks, Kendel |
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Bronze Member Username: EmkmdPost Number: 73 Registered: Dec-03 | Kendel, hopefully someone will chime in on this because I am moving and will have to switch to charter. And just when Comcast added two new channels. -E |
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prady Unregistered guest | Information: Best buy started selling long awaiting HL-P5085 which has 4th gen. HD2+. They dont have them on the display yet. You need to ask them. Then they will bring it from the warehouse. The details are as follows. Model: Samsun DLP HL-P5085 Best buy SKU No: 6476618 Price: 4199.99 PSP for 4 years: 399.99 As you may know already this line of products got the best product award at CES 2004 in LasVegas this year. Side by side comparisions are not possible at this point. That really sucks. |
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Bronze Member Username: JrestSt. Louis, Missouri USA Post Number: 25 Registered: Jun-04 | Kendel, are you satisfied with Charter's HD service? What HDTV do you own? |
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Anonymous | I've had my HLP-5663W for 2 weeks now...and I'm ready to send it back...  My privious set was a Mits 55805 16:9 CRT. after 4 years it still looked great...don't know why I sold it... I guess I'm a sucker for new and better stuff.. My problem with the Sammy DLP is during fast action scenes... Pixel block show up distorting the image. this would give me eye strain and head-aches.... Is this a common problem with all DLP sets...? Should I have kept my Mits. Also I had a chance to see the new JVC D-ILA HD-61Z575...picture was very bright and sharp. Anolog signals were better on this set than the Sammy. Picture as very smooth with no pixel motion block/artifact... |
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jmalucci Unregistered guest | I'm ready to go out today and finally buy the HLP5063. I can get it locally for $2999 which is really a good deal. When I read the posting from anonymous above it makes me think I should stay with my 32" Wega. I want a big screen HDTV but don't want to give up the floor space of a Mitsu projection TV - even though the 65413 is the best bang for the buck out there. I think DLP is for me but I am afraid to let go of $3,000 and don't want to be disappointed with the set when I get it home. Help... |
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also_anonymous Unregistered guest | Not to pass judgement on Anonymous.....but the more you read these and other forums the more you realized you have to take things ppl say with a grain of salt There are ppl out there promoting or putting down products for reasons other than the absolute quality of the product....whether it be for marketing purposes...or just an individuals one bad experience Research your product....but commit to to your purchase and enjoy it.... There will always be another new improved product around the corner....so just bite the bullet at some point and splurge |
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Terefel Unregistered guest | So the samsung website is the most worthless POS I've come across in a long time. How long until the stand for the HLP5063 comes out already, anyone know? |
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also_anonymous Unregistered guest | Samsung rep said the stand will be in Canada in mid-August (which at the rate things are going up here will mean end of Sept) |
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New member Username: RusslHolbrook, NY USA Post Number: 2 Registered: Jul-04 | Cablevision delivered my HDTV STB this past Saturday. Thirteen channels are available from Cablevision in HDTV. All I can say is WOW, WOW and WOW!! Picture on the HLP5063W is incredible using the component video input. Any scene the least bit bright is like you are there, you're not watching a TV. Not quite as impressive with dark scences, but we all know that from doing our homework. I have the set 10 days now; everything works perfectly. This set is the absolute best buy (IMHO) going. Cost me $2,799 with 12 months interest free. Anyone should be able to get the same price (20% discount from list) from any large retailer. Just walk out of the store if you get quoted a higher price. Guarantee they won't let you walk! I will get an DVI cable in a week or two. Too many setup options to play with right now without introducing another variable. Oh yeah, have not seen a lip-sync problem with the component hookup. |
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susanv Unregistered guest | Planning to purchase within the next day or so - the Sams HLP4663W ONLINE from either BestBuy Plasma, Abes of Maine, or Plasma Bay. Any feedback on these or other online vendors? -Also, have to fit this in a space constrained cabinet. Does this model require some kind of stand or can it sit on a cab shelf without a stand? -Does anyone know the lamp life on this model? thanks! |
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Anonymous | Susan, I'd go with BestBuy only because you probably have those stores nearby, in case something is to go wrong with your tv. What is the return policy on the other places you mentioned? Do you have to pay a restocking fee or pay for return shipping? etc. At least if you have a best buy or circuit city nearby, you can drive it back to the store. |
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Jmalucci Unregistered guest | I agree with anonymous. I shopped at Home Theater Store, Tweeter, Circuit City, Fryes, and finally bought my HLP5063 at Best Buy. Best Buy matched the best on-line price I could find, included delivery and set-up, and threw in a Yamaha 9500 5.1 speaker system. Two things that set them apart - afterall price matching is easy - first they moved the HLP5063 right next to the LG52SZ61D. After I checked all the settings and found the LG "cranked-up" (contrast and brightness at 100%), I put all the settings to 50%. I think the LG produced yellows better than the Sammy but the Sammy produced all other colors, particularly black, better than the LG. I also wanted the HD3 chip rather thean the LG's HD2. The second thing that set Best Buy apart was the extended warranty. Three of the stores' extended warranty did not include the bulb. Circuit City's extended warranty included the bulb but it was $599. Best Buy's extended warranty was $399 and also includes the bulb. To top it all off, Best Buy has a "reward-zone" program so I'll get a $150 rebate on this purchase. Their POS interfaces to our local TWC system so they scheduled the HD install from Best Buy. I did not have to call TWC. The HD package through Best Buy includes free installation, one month free of Home Box, the set-top box, and the HD package. I can't wait until they deliver and set things up on Wednesday. I'll keep everyone posted! |
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Bronze Member Username: JrestSt. Louis, Missouri USA Post Number: 33 Registered: Jun-04 | Jmalucci- Where do you live? Because the bestbuy here in STL does not have an HD package. If I want satellite (Direct TV) with an HD receiver, I gotta pay $300 to upgrade. And the guy I spoke to said he would not match internet prices. |
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Anonymous-unregistered Unregistered guest | Jmalucci- How much did you pay? |
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