Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3221 Registered: Oct-06 | Please read carefuly before yo jump to wrong conclusion I haven't done any major tests since September/October of 2007 I have been sensing something unusual past 2 weeks This evening I came across something interesting It appears to me DN is upchanging some hardware compatibility similar to what happened last November 2007 There are good news and some band news First the bad news The hardware upchange will most likely affect PID frequency Look for signs - Yo'll see some channels drop out day by day not all at once - They will be out on certain models not all of FTA models - Specifically VS, SV, Pansat, HD - This may not affect Kool-sat, Visionsat and CW and perhaps few other models PID affects the tuner itself and how it's programmed The bin storage is not in the same memory zone Therefore it requires a tuner reconfiguration Entirely different programming skills So coders won't be able to update their bins as easily The good news Coders left variable PID field this time So yo can manually go in and configure yor tuner and then rescan Each field is 4 Decimal Digits So get yorself ready for some bumpy ride About when this will take effect? I already see some dropped out channels Don't worry Don't panic This was done once before But for sure will give friendly PTA users hard time So that yo know I'm a real tester My stuff is timed and dated White Hawk has been my best record keeper Keep the good work Hawk I started to like yo Sometimes yo are helpful King T.M. |
Gold Member Username: GregrafPost Number: 1053 Registered: Dec-07 | Now i know your full of sh!t White Hawk can't tell time. |
Silver Member Username: Tigger_woodsCURRENTLY RUNNING NAGRA 3VIP DIAMOND ... Post Number: 676 Registered: Jun-07 | What about the card swap? Supposedly all most complete? Why would they be working so hard at this time? |
Gold Member Username: Saqeeb9000Post Number: 3656 Registered: Oct-07 | thanks for info king... |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3285 Registered: Jan-08 | King Dn do this since 10 months not new, thats why i recommend to deleted Provider in Keys Menu |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3286 Registered: Jan-08 | king Many Tp change we need to do a blind scan and you dont recommand it, from which planet you are? All receiver track PID by itself, but if Tp is no there, autoscan cant get any channels. Sorry not this time |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3223 Registered: Oct-06 | "What about the card swap? Supposedly all most complete"? I think that's B#V I'm not in Canada and I don't have B#V I really don't know when exactly B#V fully rolls to N-3 D#N suspended the card swap at least for present time No signs of doing so They do many things that absolutely make no sense to me One of them is why on earth are they still keeping Sat 121W if 118 is fully in place? Modifying PID frequency tuner for second time in less than one year is what seems like what they are up to Plymouth Yo gonna have to trust me this time Deleting provider is not going to alter the tuner presets They did that along with morphing Maybe the morhing can be stopped by deleting provider They are gonna change the tuner parameters Which is what makes the receiver recognize the signal itself There are two major sections in flashing of ROM One is the Utility of the tuner Other is the conditional access New bins that's all Conditional Access But Freq PID are supposed to be permanent freq coordinates not meant to be variable If yo do, yo must be a heck of a programmer that understands hardware well. Frq tuners and basically make them work from Assy Language |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3289 Registered: Jan-08 | King Receiver with scan, search for PID by itself, thats why many time video and sound PID, can be much more diffent and receiver fount it. In clear PID not be permanant at all. You based it on some problem you heard on forum. This problem is only on Dn and many rehandling on channels and Tp cause it. Factory default seems to be the better solution for now and blind scan for created new Tp who dont be erase, when new Tp is in receiver it stay in, until you put factory bin. It is normal to reset the receiver sometime with all change in the run program. |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3225 Registered: Oct-06 | Yo'll get a better idea when it happens Right now we are talking apples and oranges We can discuss what channels yo don't have Do yo get all Encore Channels? |
Gold Member Username: Cartier1Post Number: 1957 Registered: Feb-07 | KING . my scan disk cruzer has lot of valuable information and pictures . is not reconizble but any computer. no light nothing. i guess i pull it without the safety steps . any way to get back my data???/ |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3293 Registered: Jan-08 | On 110.0W 341 Encore West 12428 20000 V 5/6 V4130 A4131 P4130 342 Encore West.east 12428 20000 V 5/6 V5922 A5923 P5922 343 Encore Action East 12486 20000 V 5/6 V6690 A6691 P6690 344 Encore Mystery East 12224 20000 V 5/6 V4642 A4643 P4642 345 Encore Drama East 12486 20000 V 5/6 V4642 A4643 P4642 346 Encore Love East 12486 20000 V 5/6 V6946 A6947 P6946 347 Encore Wam east 12516 20000 V 5/6 V4130 A4131 P4130 All work fine |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3294 Registered: Jan-08 | Note if you check on Lyngsat PID are different and never i put PID in, manualy read this thread: https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/508136.html |
Bronze Member Username: LigerPost Number: 22 Registered: May-08 | People don't worry, this is just another bullshit by FAKEMAN. |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3229 Registered: Oct-06 | Plymouth Which receiver yo got? Ar yo missing any channels? I'm not worried about missing channels I basically look at activities and try make sense out of it Solving channels by rescaning and deleting is not what I'm searching for There are 2 streams which yo don't see There are N-2 and N-3 On a top of that 2 sets of PIDs DN playing with PIDs I understand yo got a motor So slight shift in the dish make a world difference as it pitches the frequency (varies frequency) Yo think cuz dish is not pointed correctly so yo offset it by moving it Yo'll fully understand when DN drops out one of the streams or change it I look and compare both transitions of the 2 streams |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3295 Registered: Jan-08 | "Plymouth Which receiver yo got? Ar yo missing any channels?" All my test performed on Vs Ultra Yes i missing channels, but i recover it with blind scan and delete provider in keys menu "There are 2 streams which yo don't see There are N-2 and N-3 On a top of that 2 sets of PIDs DN playing with PIDs" Yes you are right on it "I understand yo got a motor So slight shift in the dish make a world difference as it pitches the frequency (varies frequency) Yo think cuz dish is not pointed correctly so yo offset it by moving it" As i can see you understand nothing on motor operation. On mode "Usals" Receiver align by itself the motor on each channels by left right scan and get best position. So I never comment on it "Yo'll fully understand when DN drops out one of the streams or change it" Dn, Bev, Gc, service channels on many satellites do same thing, we need to blind scan for track new Tp and channels. "No signal" can be see as encrypted channel. I have a Vs Ultra and a CW600s Premium and i need to rescan CW600S Premium many time on new bin. you talk with nonsense on many post When i ask to you for explained how you perform your test, you never answer When you say, i learn to you how... never you give clear answer. Now explain me, how you proceed for your test and which equipments you use? Thanks |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3230 Registered: Oct-06 | Again Yor solving missing channels by re-scaning and deleting And that's completely different from what I'm after I don't have any different equipement from a basic tuner, dish and LNB But I do pay attention to data Ask Jimmy Look Believe it or not DN is upchanging frequency PIDs on the second stream I gave everyone heads up Yo can belive it now or wait to this Fall when it fully rolls over It's not end of PTA I do give a lot of credits to coders BUT THERE WILL BE DOWN TIME DUE TO HARDWARE CHANGE IN FREQ As far as I don't understand 8-bit dish dirver protocol commands, I won't comment on it I let yor imagination to decide We are talking Apples and Oranges So yo find out what I meant this Fall |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3296 Registered: Jan-08 | Note i explain it for all users newbie and older without enter in technic term. I,m a thechnician service man, my custumers dont understand technic term, i need to explain in easy term for everybody. Try to do like me. Thanks |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3297 Registered: Jan-08 | "Now explain me, how you proceed for your test and which equipments you use?" If you go in my profile you can see my equipment You dont give again acceptable answer. Which receiver you use? Which dish and LNB you use? How you can see data? Give me clear answer on each question. |
Silver Member Username: MuchoPost Number: 516 Registered: Dec-07 | Plymouth Our friend is hiding from you You have put some tough questions to him. |
Bronze Member Username: ValinexPost Number: 31 Registered: Mar-06 | Plymouth, how do you delete provider in keys ? On a VS ultra |
Bronze Member Username: BouttepPost Number: 61 Registered: Apr-06 | plymouth how do i recover channels with sv4000 , i have a bunch of them missing |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3298 Registered: Jan-08 | Valinex and Joe Try a blind scan first if no work Go in Code Menu, delete these 3 dish provider 00 01 00, 01 01 00 and 01 06 00 on Nagra with F3 button (viewsat)on remote(dont delete keys) and save it and reload last bin. Autoroll can take 10 minutes to regenerated keys and all channels would work If it not work, do a factory default or reset, reload last bin and autoscan all sats. Dont load factory bin, because it delete save Tp in receiver memory, use it only on dead receiver. Good luck |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3231 Registered: Oct-06 | Plymouth There is nothing I can explain better than 2 streams coming from 2 satellites Yo don't understand that Yo haven't been here long enough Yo joined satellites Jan 2008 So yo missed a lot 2 satelittes, 2 streams 61.5 Ech-St-1, Rainbow-1 110, Ech-st-8, Echo-St-10 (50/50) 119, Anik-3, Ech-st 7 (50/50) 148 Ech-st, 1, Ech-st 2 (ES-2 is no longer) I picked both streams before they become public record There were 4 or 5 guys who can possibly know what 2 streams on this Forum - LK (no longer a member) - Kavin Reno (no longer a member) - Satscanner (no longer a member) - Nalin Nyda So ask Nalyn if there is One stream or Two The 2 streams were placed to supply N-2 and N-3 Phasing out N-2 leaving N-3 with new swap card Some how D#N suspended the card swap at least for present time Only B#V doing the card swap I don't know why, but that's what I can see So they are taking 2 different pathes for whatever reason Now that D#n has an extra stream They are upchanging freq PID channel by channel on the secondery stream Until fully complete then they drop out So the focus of the main issue here Is 2 streams So if yo tell me that's cuz I'm scaning wrong Then yo don't have a clue what second stream realy is No second stream then I have nothing to discuss If yo recognize the 2 streams Then we can go forward and talk about testing No 2 streams, yo got nothing to test I hope I made my point clearer this time |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3300 Registered: Jan-08 | "Now explain me, how you proceed for your test and which equipments you use?" If you go in my profile you can see my equipment You dont give again acceptable answer. Which receiver you use? Which dish and LNB you use? How you can see data? Give me clear answer on each question. |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3301 Registered: Jan-08 | "Yo don't understand that Yo haven't been here long enough Yo joined satellites Jan 2008 So yo missed a lot" King stop it before everybody laugh. "Now explain me, how you proceed for your test and which equipments you use?" If you go in my profile you can see my equipment You dont give again acceptable answer. Which receiver you use? Which dish and LNB you use? How you can see data? Give me clear answer on each question. |
Bronze Member Username: Kj101Post Number: 80 Registered: Jun-06 | You don't have a clue stop the bs. |
Bronze Member Username: Kj101Post Number: 81 Registered: Jun-06 | Sorry Should have have been a little more specific. King Tapeman you don't have a clue. Stop your bs. |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3302 Registered: Jan-08 | In the fact King have a Viewsat Xtreme and mention it on a post i forget, nobody know exactly which dish size, for sure dont have motor and Doreen is right, he is a great dreamer. I know electronic and since i have 8 years, you try to impress newbies with your salad of great term useless for any technician. Why you dont answer to my question instead of try to discredited me. The world of King is: King, him and himself. I would not be impolite, but you went down in my regard. Thank |
Bronze Member Username: LigerPost Number: 23 Registered: May-08 | WHAT DID I TELL YOU GUYS? HE'S A "FAKEMAN" HE'S FAKING EVERYTHING. |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3234 Registered: Oct-06 | Hey Plymouth I was tight up with family business I only got few minutes Man I do simple basic tests Nothing out of this world I scan all satellites in my back yard One by one hundreds of times I look for anything I look for clues Many TPs don't come on as easily So I dial tune them manually - Basic Dish - Basic LNB - Basic FTA reciver (VS-Xtreme) I did answer that above The data I gather is nothing but freq info, polarity, FEC, S/R, PIDs, etc. But I do pay a lot of attention to scanned channels Everything is basic I don't look for just turning my TV on and that's it Now if yo were expecting something a lot deeper I'm sorry to disappoint yo They crack down on sites and members that are involved in programming I've had a close call in the past when I was single And I will not risk my family in getting involved with security abreach What I do is within my civil liberty YO MUST USE CAUTION This is a good article I didn't write it But it contains some juicy programming I still think we are talking apples and oranges I'm not sure what exactly yo are expecting and what's considered acceptable My objective was simple and straight to the point And I had only repeated it at least 6 times There is an upchange to freq PIDs by D#N All in the second stream Can be easily detected by simple scanning Similar to what we had last November I'm not sure what yor confused about that Yo are scanning the channels and delete what's got no video And missing all the clues |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3235 Registered: Oct-06 | This is one of the sites yo can get what yo want Canada At yor risk |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3306 Registered: Jan-08 | Finally King i have acceptable answers, that close My 3 post on it. Thanks King Concern PID i already answer to you on my post 3295: "There are 2 streams which yo don't see There are N-2 and N-3 On a top of that 2 sets of PIDs DN playing with PIDs" Yes you are right on it "Yo are scanning the channels and delete what's got no video" PID: Package Identifier, all digital data sent by satellite are sent as data packets. It's usual to delete channels got no video. I give you a example on Bev, if i do autoscan during Nascar sprint cup race, only new PID is add(5 channels)i got 5 new channels, after the race if i select this channels they autoroll with no picture and sound, now, if i rescan, these channels dont disappear. Now if these channels (hypothetical but real on Dn)are assigned on new PID, you have interference between old and new channel who have identical info data package(channels number, name identifier channel etc.). in a program, processor scan first line to last line and the new identical program is reject, thats why you cant see channel with new PID and need to delete it. I hope now you understand, need to delete empty channel Thanks |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3236 Registered: Oct-06 | The other thing yo need to know The streams come from 2 different TPs They are not on the same transponder not same satellite But they placed next to each other within 0.2 degrees or about 20 Miles in space (This is my approximation, I don't know how far apart) They interlace together as one satellite So when yo blind scan yo'll think one good channel other is bad Well sometimes they are both good That all depends on the encryption Now if I get down to business I'm guessing that both streams at present time are Nag#ra-2 few selections of those transponders are slowly one by one changing to a different value PID Yo'll say what's the big deal about that? Many TPs should have set frequencies as yo do normal scan or yo must do blind scan Part of yor tuner presets Now my theory is They have some fake TPs As yo do blind scan it will disable something disallowing to tune the signal This is what I was after last year They executed that in November I wasn't around at that time Also gave offal hard time to coders Many people thought coders had personal issues but I saw was something in the hardware compatibility My guesses were they either play with polarity or other analog interference frequency that can disable the tuner span like that Now that I see this activity going on once again I'm saying they are upchanging PID freq once again And it will give hard time getting the correct signal According to my observation They will apply new provider control that somehow also alter signal level And the frequent time call Over all this can make PTA very difficult to breach This time they are throwing many shells The Million Dollar question is: How good the coders and how fast they will adjust This is what I'm here to watch And it starts with simple basic Sky Scanning After all end of PTA can be real close Yo never know |
Silver Member Username: DimwittPost Number: 840 Registered: Aug-06 | WTF ,this is OFFAL !!! |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3309 Registered: Jan-08 | King you dont read my post 3306 Blind scan dont give 2 channels if you delete sat and then blind scan That close one way discussion |
Bronze Member Username: PicanhaEast LA Post Number: 37 Registered: Jun-08 | This is a stupid thread!!...just a simple case of people trying to one up on each other.........the psychomonster thread have some meaning to them today. Go there to learn. |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3238 Registered: Oct-06 | My bad That's the British way of saying rubbish Yo can say awful hard time instead |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3239 Registered: Oct-06 | Hey Kid Yo don't like the thread get off it before yo get hurt "Blind scan don't give 2 channels if you delete sat and then blind scan " Blind scan don't give channels It's the tuner Yo still not visualizing 2 streams Blind scan doesn't care what satellite yor on It tunes the frequency by it's internal clock frequency later it sums up the two and come back with final sum Already down converted by LNB What yor pointing to make a slight difference It's a sweep by a set freq increment That's what I like about VS Yo can easily adjust tuner parameters So if yo tell me When yo do blind scan and only get one set of channels then yor setup is not correct or some how over-ridden by something else I base my scans on 3 dishes, 3 receivers All pointing to same thing 1-DTV phase-3 1-DTV phase-2 1-Dish 500 with twin LNB 2-VSX, 1-Vision sat rcvr All come consistent with same results No way I got that wrong There are 2 streams And I posted that about one and a half year ago |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3311 Registered: Jan-08 | "So if yo tell me When yo do blind scan and only get one set of channels then yor setup is not correct or some how over-ridden by something else" My setup better then yours, thats why i dont have problem. I remember to you then receiver and motor track best azimut of satellite and with big dish and and good LNB focus, i can performed 0.2 degree azimut,which not get 2 satellites and give scan without parasite from other satellite. Do you blind scan more then 1 sat? King i think you need to learn again You dont want to understand with all reply from me. Why not listen and learn? Buy a good equipment and do good setup whit it. Your system and mine is like apples and and oranges Thanks |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3242 Registered: Oct-06 | I never said I had a problem scaning I'm a master of scaning What yor saying is there is only one stream Therefore one of us will learn how to scan soon I'm done with yor discussion There are 2 streams out there regardless how big is yor dish Yo wanna believe it that's fine Yo don't yor about to learn soon Why don't yo go ask Nalin if it's 1 or 2 Before yo teach me how to scan |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3312 Registered: Jan-08 | KING "There are 2 streams which yo don't see There are N-2 and N-3 On a top of that 2 sets of PIDs DN playing with PIDs" PLYMOUTH Yes you are right on it I never contested it Check on my post 3295 and 3306. You dont read my post! Bin recognize N3 PID channels now , it's a old problem, but you need to rescan it. Why dont understand it? |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3243 Registered: Oct-06 | Here is one little detail for yo to show yo know nothing about scaning: - Lyngsat has N2, N3 security encryption Explain to me in Layman's terms how would that possibly be if there is only one stream? - Yo wanna know how long ago I detected this Then read this thread (timed and dated) Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 04:34 am: https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/341734.html And don't forget I posted that before it comes out as public record All yo had in few week experience is one 30" dish and invacom LNB And yo coming to teach me how to scan |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3244 Registered: Oct-06 | 2 streams my friend means 2 identical programs on 2 different TPs on 2 different frequencies right next to each other When yo say bin recognize N3 It means yo got no idea about what 2 streams mean If it's on a frequency span Yo should be able to scan it |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3313 Registered: Jan-08 | King teach how you get second stream and give me complete Tp with PID. I dont have problem and i try to understand why you have problem where i dont have. I'm equiped for scan more sat then you, but you bring problems not see by me. My system work very well since i post my first post on this forum and found many tricks for keep it fonctional. I,m the only one with enough patience for discuting with you on this. Conclusion give me complete info Tp and PID which i can doing a test and confirm your observation. |
Gold Member Username: Cartier1Post Number: 1958 Registered: Feb-07 | PLYUMOUTH IM TIRED OF HAVING MY EMAIL BOX FULL OF THIS THREAD. WHY DONT YOU ASK KING TO GIVE YOU HIS PHONE NUMBER AND STRIGHT THINGS TOGETHER . |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3314 Registered: Jan-08 | Cartier Explained me why you have E-Mail on it. Are you Admin? With all my respect, this is a satellite discussion and each members have choice not read it. I just try to understand King observation. |
Gold Member Username: Cartier1Post Number: 1959 Registered: Feb-07 | PLAYMOUTH you have right to do anything you want . i know king long time . trying to understand is one thing and trying to challenge is an otherthing . if we wanna try to understand then we just listen aand ask a few questions . the guy his hubby is testing nothing wrong with that . i learn you learn and all of us learn this way . you know satelitte world is like chassing the ghost. |
Silver Member Username: DimwittPost Number: 842 Registered: Aug-06 | King Tapeman Gold Member Username: Tapeman New York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2032 Registered: Oct-06 Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 11:18 am: ************************************************* VS receivers and coders are hit I stick my reputition once again So far I've been always right I assure yo I don't work for Charlie He can't afford me All VS products and bins under the control of somebody else not the old coders I have no idea who is controling the show now But this is what I think happened: Arrests were made in December And now they are after other VS targets I found a spyware on a brand new computer I ony used 4 times If yo believed in my crap in the past cuz yo R smart if yo don't yo are about to get dicked VS products are history I hope yo didn't spend much money I only paid $180 I think I got my money worth it. DID YO? |
Gold Member Username: PlymouthQuebec city, Quebec Canada Post Number: 3315 Registered: Jan-08 | Cartier1 Stay out of this thread until you spell my name correctly Give me your E-Mail I learn to you how spell Plymouth |
Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 3245 Registered: Oct-06 | Hey Cartier Buddy, Howar yo? I know yo like memories I have a life time gift souvenir for yo Wait for next post |
Gold Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 3053 Registered: May-06 | King Tapeman Gold Member Username: Tapeman New York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 2032 Registered: Oct-06 Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 11:18 am: ************************************************* VS receivers and coders are hit I stick my reputition once again So far I've been always right I assure yo I don't work for Charlie He can't afford me All VS products and bins under the control of somebody else not the old coders I have no idea who is controling the show now But this is what I think happened: Arrests were made in December And now they are after other VS targets I found a spyware on a brand new computer I ony used 4 times If yo believed in my crap in the past cuz yo R smart if yo don't yo are about to get dicked VS products are history I hope yo didn't spend much money I only paid $180 I think I got my money worth it. DID YO? Is this a real king post??? if so, he is worse than I have ever thought. Cant believe i missed that one. I dont see how we dont take him for real!!! he is a seer i tell u. as well as a semi pro coach, but i guess not a good one as this time last year he was gone coaching, but he is here this year... hmmmm, oh, he is also a master engineer, also made a living knowing others next move before they make it. and we doubt him??? he has onlt called the end of pta for a year and a half people, what 4 different times, come on, he will get it right one of these days. dont give up king. |