CALLING FOR EXPERTISE FROM "KING TAPERMAN" ESQUIRE

 

Bronze Member
Username: Zulumonster

Gaysex, Muslim Rev wright

Post Number: 31
Registered: Jun-08
as we speak, actually, right now, i'm working on a way to convert the 600P to the 650 Classic...i believe it's a matter of Boot loaders....600P has 3.01, 650 uses 3.02....boot loaders come in .bin format, so i'm thinking if i can find the 3.02 boot loader, and load it on to the 600P via Upgrade1.07 for 600P, then use Upgrade1.02 for 650, and try loading 1.13...if i can find 3.02, and it works, i'll be posting step by step instructions. alot of people wondering if 600S/600P went the way of CS 4/5/6k, and this will put many minds at ease, as they could simply convert and stop bin-beggin.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS THEORY??? CAN IT BE DONE
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2802
Registered: Jan-08
Zulu

This is a software inside a micro-controller, that can be possible if we load factory file for 650 and bin, i have a 600S Premium that can be interesting if that work.
But if pins on chips is different that could not work.

We need to know if main chips is the same.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Zulumonster

Gaysex, Muslim Rev wright

Post Number: 32
Registered: Jun-08
Thanks PLYMOUTH...for full disclosure this is out of my pay range. I just copied that from another site, the guy posted this 4 weeks ago, nobody responded, no updates.

I just wondered if one of you guys could get working on the theory for the rest of us

I would be willing to load your first test bin on my unit??

Let us know, eh! ANYBODY, lets have all the smarter folks like plymouth and King etc get working on this, we could even reward a prize to the first guy that successfully converts the 600 p to a 650 classic.

I GOT IT!!! THE WINNER GETS ONE NIGHT, ALL EXPENSES PAID WITH SATGIRL, DOREEN AND KATE.
 

Silver Member
Username: Metallica

Post Number: 837
Registered: Jan-08
three of those girls maybe 1 is a guy..if the winner pick the wrong 1 he will be in a lot of trouble.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York City in-HD, NY

Post Number: 3053
Registered: Oct-06
Plymouth all MPs/MC don't contain software on board or any memory exchange inside chip all hex code storage is off the chip thru peripheral interface to external components

MP holds few internal registers that's about it.
Even cash memory is often off the chip

But yo are right a loader programs often depend on the data buses i.e. number of pins in/out thu memory

Mr. Zulumonster
In the future if yo want people take yor questions serious yo need to lose gaysex, rev wright, muslim off yor profile
It's not funny when yo disrespect someone else's religion
Infact it's not American


But in any case
Yo want to research something yo have to be willing to expect the unexpected i.e. trail and error, I do it all the time
Success often come after failure attempts
Can yo mess up receiver's EEPROM if yo use wrong loader?
Of course yo can mess it up
So if it does happen j-tag it, reload bin or get an extra replacement EEPROM
$20 to $30 from factory
Yo can tell them spilled some coffee on the chip

But go ahead try any loader yo want
Now that yo know the risk
In many cases original loader PGM might work
Trial and error is fun sometimes
 

Gold Member
Username: Runnerguy

Pluto

Post Number: 1486
Registered: Sep-06
zulumonster = Tiger Woods= Dirty Democrat= naked girl=
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Bronze Member
Username: Zulumonster

Gaysex, Muslim Rev wright

Post Number: 33
Registered: Jun-08
Tiger Woods was banned.
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2805
Registered: Jan-08
Zulumonster and KinG
I have one for test, i dont have time for now but i try it when busy time gone.

King
Some microcontroller have a EEprom inside and all datas can be modified.

A EEprom have a program who can be mofified totally with factory file or you buy one preprogram from factory.

I open my box and give you info on it later.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York City in-HD, NY

Post Number: 3056
Registered: Oct-06
Nope
All external
Pal's or Gal's, Roms, Proms, Eproms etc.
If yo say some have inside can yo name one?
I'll look it up
Yo probably mean internal registers
Any type of memory on board as far as I know must be volatile

For one reason
If there is a problem/damage it's much easier to replace memory

Only talking toys can be one chip from China
Those are not much of M/C

I guarantee yo all FTA rec's got integrated M/P
Look I'll be totally surprised if they were not integrated
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York City in-HD, NY

Post Number: 3057
Registered: Oct-06
These are some of the most basic 8 bit MP ever invented:
6809
68000
Z80
8085
8086
8088
8031
8051
http://www.amlsb.com/esa.html
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2807
Registered: Jan-08
King i found one in just the time to write on yahoo, but in some use on different board on most use in industry.

http://www.microcontroller.com/news/microchip_pic32.asp

These chips you name are very old and not use today or use on basic small project
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York City in-HD, NY

Post Number: 3058
Registered: Oct-06
The PIC32 yo got in the above link
If yo look at block diagram
There is is no EPROM on same chip
The Peripheral bus is what interfaces with all types of external memory
Yo can trust me on that

That flash is something else
That's for basic logic operations performed by MP
Data fetch to internal registers
Those types of memory are few K's
Not much of a firmware

Firmware, operating systems all types of programmable and reprogrammable memory that run the MP are usually too large to keep on board with MP

Any MP makers if they do that
They'll limit their commercial usage as far as MP various capabilities

Biggest enemy to memory is the limitation of capacity size
Semi-conductor designers spend several years to come up with one design

Is like bulding Sports Stadium with all parking spaces at the basement along with all employees living at the same complex
It will be illogical...but everything possible
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York City in-HD, NY

Post Number: 3059
Registered: Oct-06
Hey Zulumonster
I hope this can help:
c/p
http://www.freesatfix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1940

1- If yo own/buy CAPTIVE WORKS 600S, first yo need to check which software OSD is loaded on it.
Connect ird to tv
- Press Menu
- Scroll to Accesories and press OK
- Scroll to About STB

now check if yor software version is KXKround or Summer

a- If yor software version is Summer (older receivers) you must use the Summer to Kround conversion kit attached. Then yo can load the latest fix

b- If yor software version is KXKround (newer receivers), yo are now ready to load latest fixes


2- Original Loader 1.02 for Summer fixes

3- Loader v1.05 for Kround fixes


Yo can get either loader or conversion kit at freesatfix.com

- Summer to Kround conversion kit.zip (1.17 MB)
- UpgradeV1.02.zip (162.4 KB)
- Upgrade v 1.05.zip
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2808
Registered: Jan-08
King look this Siemens Microcont. with eeprom mem. inside

http://www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/industry/appnotes/siemens/cdrom/siemens/www/hl_loc al/c167.htm
 

Bronze Member
Username: Avr1

Post Number: 25
Registered: Jun-08
Atmega128 has onboard eep. http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/product_card.asp?part_id=2018
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York City in-HD, NY

Post Number: 3062
Registered: Oct-06
Yes that is correct
Atmega 128 is an 8-bit with built in 4k Ram and 4k EEprom
But that's not entire EEPROM
Yo can't flush a toilet with 4k
That's few fetch data/instructions to turn on few functions during main re-flash process
Or perhaps limited bios for roll over when main firmware electrically updated
Mainly not what yo normally flash receiver with

Yo open any device
Yo'll find EEprom (firmware) on seperate chip
With white tagged sticker
With firmware version 1.0 or 2.0 etc.
Usually on a socket for easy upgrade/replacement

That's a must
 

Bronze Member
Username: Avr1

Post Number: 26
Registered: Jun-08
I was just disputing the statement you made that MC's didn't have internal eeprom's.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York City in-HD, NY

Post Number: 3063
Registered: Oct-06
I see yor point
My point was about Plymouth thought that the reflash process is direct reprogram to software on main processor
Which is impossible
 

Bronze Member
Username: King_of_rats

Post Number: 29
Registered: Jun-08
Could you talk normal?......


I wish you'd talk normal....



 

Platinum Member
Username: Nydas

Post Number: 11181
Registered: Jun-06
Embedded EEPROM is a more expensive solution (in terms of real estate used on the chip) than Ram. It is cheaper to have heftier RAM inside the chip.
Considering that the general aim is to keep everything within a 8" x 6" x 1" receiver, it is much more practical to have a hefty EEPROM outside of the CPU and have hardware logic that automatically initialises the CPU's internal RAM with the data on the EEPROM at power up. You thus achieve the higher speeds of RAM and direct access within the chip, plus reprogramability of the EEPROM external to the CPU chip..
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2814
Registered: Jan-08
King the Siemens chips can be flash, i know because i can do a copy with a chip programmer.

You play in my branch now.

Many chips dont use EEprom for named their memory but use it with same method for flash it.

We can have a good discussion on it but this is not the good thread for it.

I tried bad loader and bin on 600premium when i buy it and i recover it with help of Tooter and Cartier, we cant kill the box.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York City in-HD, NY

Post Number: 3067
Registered: Oct-06
Look yo got a good point
But my point is if yo flash an EEPROM there must be a temporary transition for the full flash roll over to take place

My disagreement is flashing a receiver can not take place directly to MP at least not for our receiver usage like loading latest bin to STB

The EEPROM for these type of receivers got to be a lot larger than 4k or even 16k
I don't know what part of ROM get kept at the MP and what not

Two things yo can do
- Open yor receiver and locate yor EEPROM
- Compare loaded bin in memory size yo'll see around 1MB not 4k

The 4k is a very small part of the EEPROM
No way that would be the main flashing process

"Many chips don't use EEprom for named their memory"
That depends on the application
4k is like doing 4 basic controlled functions
What happens if yo exceed 4k?
Where to borrow more memory when yo run out?


The way I learned and taught MP for many years is peripheral interfaces to various addressable memory types

I do believe yo
Yo may had experience with MP on smaller programs that don't require additional ROM. These type of flashable receivers demand much more than 4k

This is similar to DN problems
Their older receivers (10 years old) got Limited Read Only Options
As they change encryption security they need bigger ROMs and they are up against a lot more sophisticated capacity on newer FTA receivers

Bottom line
All MPs are fully capable to interface with both internal or external memory
Internal memory is always limited like Nalin says here
Internal maybe for fewer commands External is what I expect for FTA receivers
 

Silver Member
Username: King_of_sats

Post Number: 416
Registered: Jan-08
Well before I go off in Hey Fakeman your a jackazz....

Lets start pickin your chit apart one step at a time.... I pressed for time today....

68000 is not a 8 bit cpu it's a 16/32


IS there anything you know about electronics that is true...

Black boys r@pe our your girls but violet give willingly

Bet you have no idea what that means
 

Bronze Member
Username: Picanha

East LA

Post Number: 16
Registered: Jun-08
Upload
 

Gold Member
Username: Doreenakadj

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 1726
Registered: Dec-06
FIRST... I would like to say GREAT THREAD.
SECOND... " I GOT IT!!! THE WINNER GETS ONE NIGHT, ALL EXPENSES PAID WITH SATGIRL, DOREEN AND KATE.">> what if I win? Do I date myself LOL
THRID... for CwP600 the newest uploader is 107 but 105 and 106 still work too.
FORTH... You can't screw up a cw receiver . If you load the wrong bin in it by mistake , you can start over and load the factory boot bin etc...


Here is a list of boots and bins I have Collected over the past year or so for CWp600

CX_KroundV1.08-CW-600S Premium_2006-04-06

CX-LoaderV3.01

Captive work bin update.wps

CW-600 Premium Factory bin v 1.09

CX-LoaderV2.50

icon binfile [load only in standby mode]

Captiveworks 600p V1 1.05 . 1.06, 1.07 loaders

CW600PV1.09_Reocrder_2_20_07

cw_600p_bev_longname_12_2007

cw_600p_dn_longname_12_2007

c/p

Dead Box, No LCD display, Red Light Only, or "I loaded the wrong Software" How To:

CW600-S PREMIUM RECIEVERS ONLY!


This How To is for anyone who has a box that appears to be 'dead'. Possible signs of a dead STB are:

Unit will not power on correctly.

Unit will not display anything on LCD.

Unit only shows a red light on the box.

Unit is stuck in boot mode.

Unit freezes during boot up.

If you are experiencing any of these problems or something very simple then the chances are, you have a dead STB. At the moment, there are no JTAG 'revival' techniques, that will repair dead boxes. However there may still be hope for you. If the receiver can be placed into boot mode, you may be able to fix your broken box by loading the factory software onto the receiver.

Things to know before trying to revive a dead box.

First of all, if your STB is brand new and has never been updated by anyone, then you need to send your unit in for repair. CaptiveWorks has a 1 year manufacturers warranty on these receivers. Before attempting to 'fix' the problem yourself, contact CaptiveWorks via their website or phone number to see if you can have your box repaired.

Secondly, if you have killed your box by loading software onto it "PERIOD", whether this was factory software or not, you have violated your warranty agreement an forfeit any repair work that CaptiveWorks may have previously done for free within the warranty period. If you have only attempted to load factory software and have not attempted to load 'second hand' or 'non factory' software (such as the updates provided on this site), CaptiveWorks "WILL NOT" repair your unit. They are bound by law, not to repair any unit that has been modified to work outside of it's factory parameters. So don't send in your 'patched' unit expecting CaptiveWorks to fix your mistake. It won't happen.

Last but not least, the following steps are not guaranteed to revive your STB. This is your last hope of reviving your receiver until a JTAG procedure is developed and even then it may not be possible to fix the problems with your STB. If the following steps do not repair your receiver, let me be the first to congratulate you on your new doorstop.


First you must check to see if you can get your receiver to stay in boot mode. This is done by powering off the receiver from the rear rocker switch and powering back on from the rear rocker switch while holding the power button on the front of the receiver.

If your receiver continues to display 'boot' on the LCD screen then there may be hope for you yet.

If you are not able to get the receiver to continue to show 'boot' but it does show when the unit attempts to turn on, skip all of the following steps until you reach the section labled 'No Boot?'

If you do not see 'boot' at all on the LCD screen of the receiver, congratulations, you may now throw your receiver away.

Next you will need to load the factory software for the premium receivers onto the box via RS232 Null Modem Serial Cable.

YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LOAD ANY SOFTWARE ONTO THE BOX VIA USB TO SERIAL CABLE!

There is currently no way for you to load the receiver using a USB to Serial Cable, while the receiver is in boot mode. You will actually have to connect to a serial port on the computer or you will not be able to continue.

While the receiver is in boot mode, you will need to load the factory files starting with the V1.09 software, followed by the V3.01 CXLoader. It is best to load these files using the V1.06 software updater, however, the V1.05 updater will work as well.

The factory software for CW600-S PREMIUM receivers can be found here

[link removed]

The file in that thread contains both the V3.01 CXLoader and the V1.09 Factory Software.

If you are not able to get the software to transfer, check your settings and try again. If the software will not take, and you are sure that your settings are correct and the cable is good, you may now throw your receiver away.

If you are able to get the software to load, attempt to reboot the unit. If the receiver still does not turn on correctly or continues to show signs of being dead, try to load the software again. If you continue to have problems once the software has loaded after a second or third time, congratulations you may now throw your receiver away.

If your receiver makes it all the way through the boot up and displays a channel or Menu Screen and you are able to navigate through your settings on the box, do a factory default ('All' option) and load the factory software again followed by another factory default ('All' option) before attempting to load the correct software for the PREMUIM receiver.



NO BOOT?

If you are unable to get the unit to stay in boot mode, there is one last chance that you may be able to revive your receiver. Connect an RS232 Null Modem cable to the receiver and run the V1.06 software on your computer. You will need the factory software before continuing. It can be found here.

[link removed]

This contains both the V3.01 CXLoader and the V1.09 Factory Software.

You will need to prepare the updater for loading the V1.09 Factory Software.

YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LOAD ANY SOFTWARE ONTO THE BOX VIA USB TO SERIAL CABLE!

There is currently no way for you to load the receiver using a USB to Serial Cable (this applies because you are attempting to load the receiver in boot mode). You will actually have to connect to a serial port on the computer or you will not be able to continue.

Once everything is ready to update the receiver, reboot the STB.

While the receiver displays 'boot' on the LCD screen, press the start button in the updater software on the computer. Hopefully your receiver will start to load the factory software.

If your receiver does not start the transfer, attempt this several more times because your timing, may be off and there is not an exact science as to when to press the start button on the software.

If you are not able to get the software to transfer, check your settings and try again. If the software will not take, and you are sure that your settings are correct and the cable is good, you may now throw your receiver away.

If you are able to get the software to load, attempt to reboot the unit. If the receiver still does not turn on correctly or continues to show signs of being dead, try to load the software again. If you continue to have problems once the software has loaded after a second or third time, congratulations you may now throw your receiver away.

If your receiver makes it all the way through the boot up and displays a channel or Menu Screen and you are able to navigate through your settings on the box, do a factory default ('All' option) and load the factory software again followed by another factory default ('All' option) before attempting to load the correct software for the PREMUIM receiver.

Hopefully this has helped you and you are now enjoying TV.

For those of you whose receivers would not revive, I am truly sorry for your loss and hope that this has been a learning experience and you are able to learn from your mistakes.

For those of you who are still completely dumbfounded and there hasn't been a shred of light to explain why your box died, I hope this hasn't soured your taste towards the CaptiveWorks receivers and that you find joy in a new FTA receiver (whether this one or another) that has no problems.







CP by LK all about cwp600...must read [link removed]


cw clone warnings ...[link removed]

[link removed]

[link removed]


info on new CW 650...
[link removed]


compare the CW's,....[link removed]

GOOD LUCK guys I hope this kelps a little bit!
 

Gold Member
Username: Doreenakadj

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 1727
Registered: Dec-06
oops i meant HELP not "kelps">>>> silly me
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2816
Registered: Jan-08
King

"What happens if yo exceed 4k?"

The Box only freeze on different function and you can reflash with original program for recover like you format a computer.

"Where to borrow more memory when yo run out?"

Thats hypothetic we know then memory of two CW are the same.
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2817
Registered: Jan-08
Boba Fett

You dont need to attack King on this thread, this discussion are important for many members and can help to understand how receiver work.

If you think King are not right give us the reason why.
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2819
Registered: Jan-08
Doreen

We are not newbies, if you can try to convert 600 in 650 give us the procedure.

We dont need any files.

For me your post is too much long and good for newbies and have nothing to do in this thread and no help for us

All loader and factory files are on

http://www.captiveworks.com/downloads.php

and bin files on many other sites then you suggest.

Good spamming

Thanks
 

Gold Member
Username: Tapeman

New York City in-HD, NY

Post Number: 3069
Registered: Oct-06
Plymouth
Just ignore the clueless
That's Jimmy the RBM
He's a senior member at the speaker forum
He thinks he knows electronics cuz he can hock a pair of speakers

Hey bubba
When I decide to have an open discussion with retards I promise yo will be the first on my list
So be patient
 

Bronze Member
Username: Zulumonster

Pureloveforall, Good person ... Lovernofighter

Post Number: 34
Registered: Jun-08
Thanks for the research you are all doing, let me know when you got her done

BTW I did some soul searching after King laid a spanking on me and as a result have changed my ways, check out my new profile etc
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2825
Registered: Jan-08
zulumonster
Good new frofile my friend
 

Gold Member
Username: Doreenakadj

Ontario Canada

Post Number: 1728
Registered: Dec-06
I WAS NOT "SPAMMING" Plymouth I was just trying to help Little by providing the most info I could for reading up on CWP600.

I wouldn't be so quick as to judge people and point an accusing finger at them after you almost crashed someone VS Extreme the other day with your "FIX-it" info for VS ULTRAS. I saved your rep then by warning the guy NOT to use your advice. Maybe if you spend more time reading than accusing others of doing things (WRONG) you might find some of my stuff HELP-FULL.

I can btw take apart a receiver and put it back together . My father taught me how to play around with stereo's and TV equipment( he use to be a electrician, did it for a hobby tho) ... I thought myself how to FIX and take apart receivers and Computer and put them all back together too. SO GIVE ME SOME CREDIT WILL YA PLEASE> I am not a retard nor an idiot here. ANY INFO IS GOOD!!!
 

Gold Member
Username: Brucester

Post Number: 1525
Registered: Jul-06
just a thought the cw600p got cloning capability you can tack one cw600p that works and clone one that dont to work like the good one now im thinking can we try using the cw650s to clone are cw600p in to a cw650 with the program for cloning box to box i would of tried but sold my 650 yesterday to my buddy for 150 lol
 

Bronze Member
Username: Zulumonster

Pureloveforall, Good person ... Lovernofighter

Post Number: 35
Registered: Jun-08
Dorren, you asked what you get if you come out with the fix for cw600 p, what you would win???

You win me you can have your way with me win or lose...pm me for directions to my house.
 

Gold Member
Username: Brucester

Post Number: 1526
Registered: Jul-06
i did not look and see if you can clone the 650 from box to box but will look tonight when he comes home if it dos have it i might try it
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2826
Registered: Jan-08
Doreen
Sorry if that chocking you.

Just for say your post are too much bigger, but dont be worry with that.

Sorry again
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2827
Registered: Jan-08
Bruce 1
I have a 600S Premium, can you say if interface is the same as 650S
 

Gold Member
Username: Brucester

Post Number: 1527
Registered: Jul-06
every thing in the 650 is the same as the cw600p you open menu every thing is in same place ase cw600p all the seating are in the same place every thing looks the same all programs are in the same place when i open the menu its all the sam no difrence
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2828
Registered: Jan-08
Thank Bruce
I dont see why we cant load 650S bin in 600Premium.
I just try it on next ECM.
 

Gold Member
Username: Brucester

Post Number: 1528
Registered: Jul-06
pymouth just tried to put cw650 bin on 107 loader and it wont let use load the bin file for the 650 in to loader for cw600p then i tryed to load the cw600p on loader for 650 nothing
 

Bronze Member
Username: Zulumonster

Pureloveforall, Good person ... Lovernofighter

Post Number: 36
Registered: Jun-08
Sounds like you guys are making real progress, I am impressed!!!! Seriously!
 

Gold Member
Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2829
Registered: Jan-08
Maybe we will try to load with loader and bin for 650S.
The loader test the file and it can rejected it, but with loader and factory bin that can work
 

Gold Member
Username: Brucester

Post Number: 1529
Registered: Jul-06
How to Clone(Transfer Data) CW800S.

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How to Clone(Transfer Data) CW800S.


Make sure both CW800S receivers are turned OFF useing the Rear Main Switch,on the back of the receiver.Disconnect all cables.Connect the Programmed receiver,to the receiver(Not Programmed)with a NULL MODEM Cable.
1-Turn the programmed receiver on,with the rear main switch,and let it boot all the way up,until you see a channel number in the LED of the receiver.
Press the front ON/OFF button on the front of the receiver,or on the remote,now,you should see ----(This Is Standby Mode),on the LED of the receiver.
2-Now turn the (Not Programmed receiver on with the rear main switch,let it Boot all the way up,you shoud see (Start Up) in the LED of the (Not Programmed receiver.
3-Look at the Programmed Receiver,and you should see (H) blinking in the LED.
4-Now point the remote at the Programmed receiver,and enter 444,now you should see the Data Transfering in the LED,of both Receivers.
5-DO NOT Interfere with the Data transfer.When the Data Transfer is complete,You will see a Channel Number appear in the LED of the receiver,that (Received) the DATA.
6-Turn OFF both receivers,Useing the Main Rear Power Switch.Disconnect the NULL MODEM Cable.
7-Connect the T.V.,and LNB cables to receiver,and watch T.V.
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i no this is for the 800 the cw600p to get it to clone the number is 4444 if i rember right i think this might be the best way to go im going to send another one back for the 650 and try it i dont whant to turn buddys box in to a door stop and there is no how tos on the cw650


when to look 10.How to Clone CW600s Box to Box?
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From DigitalPlus:
1) Connect the master and slave box with twist RS232 null modem cable (pin2 to pin3, pin3 to pin2, pin5 to pin5).
2) Start the master receiver and press "POWER" key to make it standby "- - : - -".
3) Start the slave receiver, in the master box the led will display 'H' and blink it.
4) Input the password:
111 ---- Transfer S/W
222 ---- Transfer data
333 ---- Transfer data, then S/W
444 ---- Copy whole flash except Boot Loader.
5) After finishing inputting the password. Transfer will begin. When it finish, the LED will Display "-End". Disconnect the cable, start your receiver.
Note: By the different password, you can do what ever you want to do for Box to Box.
i think this will work but will haqve to wait till i get my new one
 

Gold Member
Username: Brucester

Post Number: 1531
Registered: Jul-06
started a thread at complete dot com got some interesting feed back last night here it is first one from CG If you are asking if you can clone your 600P to a 650 and the answer to that is NO, the 650 has a different chip in it and will not load all, and it will not work properly, so I advise against, and also you will void your warranty secend one from CG Like I said once you do you will not be able load it properly after that, it will never fully load as the chip will not allow it, and also once the clone kill bin is released then it is dead for good, so good luck, you can't say you were not for warned
 

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Username: Plymouth

Quebec city, Quebec Canada

Post Number: 2830
Registered: Jan-08
Thanks for the info Bruce

If the chip is different "just to bad"
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