i know, what an idiot, right? no its not the same proble, ok here is the thing, I changed the keys earlier because I was missing some channels, endded up ithe non, great people helped me here to get the right keys and they worked as befor, the problem is I was still missing those channels, so I changed the Diseqc from off to 4 and I got those channles I was missing, the problem is now, the pansat freezes when i chose the echostar package, and the most of the channels I had befor are gone, so where did i go wrong?