Bill..JJ is still working on the new much larger server and probable chat, but no shoutbox, and JB sent an email today that said it should be soon....my guess would be Monday, giving JJ the weekend to finish it up... I myself haven't bothered either of them, since I know they're busy and have regular FT jobs too..as U know also, we won't tolerate there, the people and trouble that are common here...but will always have the help available to civilized people in need..