WARNING** Map57 Pulled From D*SH Stream - Rev Update Coming Soon.
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Gold Member Username: Mc_sunnyPost Number: 1209 Registered: Feb-06 | ** WARNING ** Hey Guys Map57 has been pulled from the stream this means a new Rev Update will be coming within the next 48 hours approx. If you are running a 102 and want to play it safe you may want to pull it from the stream until rev update and new blockers are released. Im not saying nothing would happen but maybe be safe than sorry. Too all enigma / atmega / fta users you are going down until your supporters release new software for the new rev. Hold On To your seats everyone. You heard it first At The Regards, |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 2819 Registered: Nov-06 | Bev Introduces Rev 248 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- c/p Bev Introduces Rev 248 Rev 248 is being introduced in to the stream. This particular update is larger than most and expected to be nasty. Rev 10a to 10b was only 4 packets. However, this new rev is 20 packets which we expect to cause some temporary problems (fta, and other systems down) We'll keep you updated as more information becomes available. c/p from fta bins.net Fun Time Ahead  |
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New member Username: CailoPost Number: 9 Registered: Aug-07 | Will this mean it will hard to unlock channels? I am also concerned about the warning by Mc Sunny ..should we turn off our receivers till the update is done in the next 48 hours... I am sorry, but I may need further explanation |
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Bronze Member Username: LololPost Number: 82 Registered: Sep-06 | Seems like the game has begun......My receiver just went down... | |
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Silver Member Username: EdenmanPost Number: 440 Registered: Aug-06 | Nasa is gone even lol | |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 680 Registered: May-06 | 110 is still up... | |
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Silver Member Username: EdenmanPost Number: 441 Registered: Aug-06 | nasa is back | |
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Bronze Member Username: LololPost Number: 83 Registered: Sep-06 | yep its back again yippyyyyyyyy!!!!!!! | |
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Silver Member Username: KingusamaPost Number: 252 Registered: May-06 | was that the new rev update or a little appetizer for what's to come LOL!!! | |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1097 Registered: Jul-06 | seems like it was just a rev update....becuze it was not just fta every thing went down just temmporarily though everything is back to normal.... | |
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Silver Member Username: BanejPost Number: 259 Registered: Jun-06 | its probably an appetizer for whats to come. they are testing new ECM. soon we are going to see which camp is ready, but im pretty sure some of them started getting prepared | |
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Silver Member Username: Flatulant_kittyPost Number: 311 Registered: Jul-06 | Getting prepared to leave town. | |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1258 Registered: Oct-06 | The big one is coming soon End of FTA DN and BEV will be before end of October 2007 according to may calculations. However it is just a guess. I do see signs of massive upgrades in the building process. |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 952 Registered: Apr-06 | The upgrades are for MPEG4 encoding and rom206 encryption. And rumor has it that rom206 has already been privately hacked. We should have another year on DN and maybe a bit longer on Bev. Upgrades take a lot of time. Keep our fingers crossed. | |
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Silver Member Username: AmexPost Number: 411 Registered: Nov-06 |  |
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Silver Member Username: Flatulant_kittyPost Number: 312 Registered: Jul-06 | The sky is falling.  |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 39 Registered: Jun-07 | 16 Hours Ago mili Offline Dogpoacher Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kirkut Posts: 3,937 Dish is going to run this rev update soon, MAP57 has been removed from teh stream. When all in place expect the sky not to fall but all hell open up. Major downtimes and FTA's death will follow. THis time for sure. |
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Gold Member Username: Hawaiian_timeKanaka freak... Post Number: 1324 Registered: Apr-06 |  Remains to be seen..... |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11300 Registered: Jan-06 | anybody even going to mili, is nuts...never mind whats posted there! | |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1259 Registered: Oct-06 | Yea but it is so clear something is cooking Once they complete their tests we all know FTA won't last forver Maybe something else will open!!! like star choice or DTV with new receivers |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11303 Registered: Jan-06 | FTA will last forever...cause its FREE TO AIR channels...but maybe hacking DN and Bev signals will not last forever...NOT all channels are encrypted!...but there will always be a way to get TV signals for nada... | |
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Silver Member Username: AmexPost Number: 413 Registered: Nov-06 |  |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 40 Registered: Jun-07 | anybody even going to mili, is nuts...never mind whats posted there! I have been at many sites and have found surprisingly little conversation about this... Seems not that many are overly interested??? I find it very interesting. As far as being "nuts", hey, I have been called a lot worse. Would you believe first time at Millies. Did a google search with the words "new rev in stream" You know you can read everything there and even search without registration. |
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Bronze Member Username: Abe125Cali Post Number: 15 Registered: Sep-06 | it seems history is repeating itself again... all we can do is just be patience... and enjoy tv right now... | |
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Bronze Member Username: Perycles2005Post Number: 33 Registered: Mar-05 | It happened before and we stood firm...we will prevail again!!!...FTA will always be there!! Hang on for a rough drive.... |
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Bronze Member Username: IamdrummingPost Number: 25 Registered: Aug-06 | The sky is falling! The sky is falling!! Blah blah blah, we heard that all before. Do everyone a favor and shut the hell up. | |
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Silver Member Username: Aafl_dragonPost Number: 110 Registered: Jun-06 | I can still watch tv without fta...lol | |
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Silver Member Username: EdenmanPost Number: 442 Registered: Aug-06 | KOTC(Fri) UFC (Sat) and SUMMERSLAM (Sun)... LETS GET IT ON! |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 42 Registered: Jun-07 | Just had my memory re freshed that Map 57 was pulled from the stream in Sept 06. Has not been in the sream for a long time. |
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Silver Member Username: HanzPost Number: 344 Registered: Oct-06 | It seems like every week somebody comes up with a 'sky is falling' thread concerning FTA. FTA is here to stay. Also, Couture beats Gonzaga by decision saturday night. |
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New member Username: Melvin_arubaAruba Post Number: 2 Registered: Nov-06 | Tiger woods is right map 57 is not in the stream since sept. 2006 | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11315 Registered: Jan-06 | C+P.... ...Some have C&P'd a post saying that Dish has pulled the map 57 from the steam. Others have stated that DN pulled the 3B. I have not seen a log for either as of yet, so at this point, it stands as "conflicting reports that DN has done anything". Bev is warming up for something with the new rev. What I've been told is this Rev enables them to do alot of things. The one that everybody is talking about now is dynamic processing of the CW and CMD07. But I've yet to really see a log proving this, so who knows... I do believe that this will be VERY serious, but NOT the END!...so get your Plan B backup's in order... |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1266 Registered: Oct-06 | "It seems like every week somebody comes up with a 'sky is falling' thread concerning FTA" Well buddy don't say King didn't warn yo. Like LK says get your B plans. Stick those oudoor antennas so yo can at least watch locals. Record your favorite movies etc. Stock on food and water. Let me also say I expect Nagra will have something different this time a dynamic roll over controlled by DN and BEV however it it is Nagra by design DN and BEV are end users. Therefore what applies to one the other to follow. Bin makers will finally give up and move to easier targets. This is the end of PTA to DN and BEV folks. Maybe the birth of something else. As a 25 year experienced designer this is what I expect. It is inevitable. Anyone expect otherwise is a FOOL. I stick my reputation on the line. |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 953 Registered: Apr-06 | Below is the Bev update. So, coders have the update, they can then modify their bins to accomodate the new code. The only tricky part will be coding a maprom that isn't publically known. That where VS can help out... There will be a fix. New Bev Rev Updates 8/20/2007 12:47:57 Pm Emm$e3= 2fe99dc72fef6a63080115ec707f19dd7787e309404c490294 4a45c70dec3020cd52511b671f631b6302633204632f0c631a 8d8088b17102be20de8a91a3042403ffff838d808dd0cc8b93 833820be20a3b22703ffff833c208d0081fb833e20 8/20/2007 12:48:03 Pm Emm$e3= 38e8d54434ed6266080115ec707f19dd7787e309404d490294 8f458d8088b1026608cd89e42603270883cd8dc5cc55da8326 19a6a8ae8ae10225ef2206a6bfe10325e7cd8dc50463040263 1083be20a3d02703ffff833c20cc55fd83be20a3e0 8/20/2007 12:48:10 Pm Emm$e3= 74630a83b65daa47080115ec707f19dd7787e309404e240294 d40e2703ffff833c208d808a05cc55bf0231de047a87944a02 81dc01ff02943b018200000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 8/20/2007 12:48:17 Pm Emm$e3= 4bc5e98e9e6cd768080115ec707f19dd7787e309404f270231 d90400000000028210010002321f0e00000000000000000000 000000000231a7040000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 8/20/2007 12:48:23 Pm Emm$e3= 45125f82d7b8cb94080115ec707f19dd7787e3094050490289 2d4583838383838383838d808c6488c60dfda1072707266683 cc946183cd59da0a0010cd5ac00dff0a0505c60e00a41fc70e 00c60e01a410aa86c70e014fc70e02a609c70dffc6 8/20/2007 12:48:30 Pm Emm$e3= 78e6d17e0905b738080115ec707f19dd7787e3094051490290 3545834f2004834fae0188883f4a3f47ad24a695b74ba60685 ad31a6bfad25a6acb74ba64685ad24a6cfad183fc34fcd5c76 00956983a683b792c630544cb793bf948183b748a6 8/20/2007 12:48:36 Pm Emm$e3= 0a84cfc318292d29080115ec707f19dd7787e3094052490290 7a4510cc5be08388a64292c74a3c4b92cf4a3c4ba61092c74a 3c4b8492c74a3c4ba60892c74a3c4b4f92c74a3c4ba61092c7 4a3c4b8183ae014f90ae462006ae014f90ae06883f 8/20/2007 12:48:43 Pm Emm$e3= 4e0beba747a1fbf2080115ec707f19dd7787e3094053490294 e345cd950791f5c602aac7090cc602abc7090dcd950792f5c6 02aac7090ec602abc7090f8183cd598e027180cd56c0cd5754 00473c474f8d00a93281838988a1012242ce30545c 8/20/2007 12:48:50 Pm Emm$e3= 6e52251fcd03c3cf080115ec707f19dd7787e3094054490295 2845bf80ae07bf81ae064d2702ae46bf83ae08bf847180cd7a 2d06e00ad825200ee71dcd57000a20cd5b71cd5a3c4d46038d 0086c8718084884d27084a271083cc961283cd5ac0 8/20/2007 12:48:56 Pm Emm$e3= 67f91c94cda98a8f080115ec707f19dd7787e3094055490295 6d4591f50a9200200983cd5ac092f50a9200a6208d8088538d 808686a6438d00a822cd5ac00b52040040a6448d00a822cd5a c00b12040040a6448d00a822cd5ac00ad2040040a6 8/20/2007 12:49:03 Pm Emm$e3= 21c3b125a8a419f8080115ec707f19dd7787e3094056490295 b245448d00a822cd59da040008cd5ac00a9a040838a638b748 a6458d00a822cd5ac004400b9208cd5aa60a920b9208263127 0183a6c0c104542627a607c104552620270183cd5a 8/20/2007 12:49:10 Pm Emm$e3= 055a72a648336e1d080115ec707f19dd7787e3094057490295 f745c00a9a010000cd59da0a9200cd59da0b92088485998d80 90e08183cd59da0a9200cd59da0b9208848599818390ae0320 3b3f4890ae0420343f4890ae05202d3f4890ae0620 8/20/2007 12:49:16 Pm Emm$e3= 53ce65194f726ebf080115ec707f19dd7787e3094058490296 3c45263f4890ae07201f90ae09201a3f4890ae0a20133f4890 ae0b200c3f4890ae0c20053f4890ae0d8889ad09909f8d00a8 22858487b7459fbf4481a6012002a602b748a6028d 8/20/2007 12:49:23 Pm Emm$e3= 39277bfb49a4b55a080115ec707f19dd7787e3094059490291 42130ba048c70ba15fd60ba0db0ba1d80ba2d70ba20232200d 638a5d00009f8ed50000168ef3028ec5088383838383833f6c 028f830499cd951e0290e3040b5d2708028f7d010a 8/20/2007 12:49:29 Pm Emm$e3= 7ff2cf2131a48b4f080115ec707f19dd7787e309405a470289 72430e03a480aa08c70e03ce0a06bf24c60a07a4ef0d2402aa 10c70a06c60a08c70a07c60a09a47f0b2402aa80c70a08b624 a480c70a093f248487838383838383838383830000 8/20/2007 12:49:36 Pm Emm$e3= 6467e4a6af1e19db080115ec707f19dd7787e309405b470290 ed3b2409cd59da0ba280998783998d000100240420ee838325 ea998d8091bc25e320e8838383838383838383838383838383 83838383838383838383830231cf0460db89350000 8/20/2007 12:49:43 Pm Emm$e3= 04a36c04ac150167080115ec707f19dd7787e309405c450290 bf204a3f47ada5a695b74b909f85adb2a6cfada63fac4fcd5c 760095698383838383028a9f1d94e320198383838383838383 838383838383838383838383838383838300000000 8/20/2007 12:49:50 Pm Emm$e3= 23ec5388612b42da080115ec707f19dd7787e309405d2d0296 810400a822870231a8036f8ecb02912d020ba202913a020ba2 029175020ba20291c6020ba20291d4020be200000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 8/20/2007 12:49:56 Pm Emm$e3= 3b683d29346abba7080115ec707f19dd7787e309405e210232 1f01800231a7018a0231c00400000000023229018c02322401 910230d7013800000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
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Gold Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 1104 Registered: Jul-06 |  Hey, Jason what is all this Egyptian writing? Where did you find it? |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 954 Registered: Apr-06 | Hey, Kavin. There are testers who are continuously logging the stream for revisions, and the above is the latest rev for Bev from a Supermod at FreedomFTA. The 'hyrogliphs' are numbers or machine code (programming instructions) that a genuine Bev receiver understands. So, FTA coders simply have to decipher this code (very easy to do) and convert the code to match the chip in whatever FTA receiver for which they're coding. Until a card swap is done, all that Bev/DN can do is screw with the autoroll or maproms. So the coders adjust the bin as a fix. This next rev is about 10 times larger then the last few which means that the maproms or autoroll routines are become more convoluted. So, all that means is that it may take longer to release the fixed bin. Hacked FTA still lives... at least until a card swap, which takes a long time to complete. Just my humble opinion... |
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Gold Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 1105 Registered: Jul-06 | Very good, very good. never too old to learn. I will see you at the bar, fist round is on me. |
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Silver Member Username: AmexPost Number: 415 Registered: Nov-06 |  . |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 955 Registered: Apr-06 | Thanks, Kavin. I've already started. lol I just wanted to show everyone that there is actual code that is easily captured with a logger. And after some conversion work, we have tv again. I just hope that they don't start the ECM tomorrow night - UFC night. It's difficult entering keys when you're snoggered. :-| |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 44 Registered: Jun-07 | I just hope that they don't start the ECM tomorrow night - UFC night. It's difficult entering keys when you're snoggered. :-| If there is a ecm/new rev....entering keys will do you no good |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 957 Registered: Apr-06 | Depends... if they mess with only the autoroll (just like in the past few ecms) then manual key entry will work. If they change which maproms are used then you are correct. | |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1099 Registered: Jul-06 | yeah they did that last year...and we had to wait for about 3 months or so...it gets boring without the satellite!!!!! | |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 2849 Registered: Nov-06 | And trouble insues on the forum.  |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11348 Registered: Jan-06 | copy/paste... Temporary problems...unfortunately...from what I have gathered...this may be quite long term...however, we have all been there...and have always been relieved...but this time...I fear we may be hearing the echos of chicken little...so button down the hatches...and prepare for a long ride New [$E3] Write EEprom 2FE99DC72FEF6A63 0801 15EC707F19DD7787 E3 09404C4902944A45C70DEC3020CD52511B671F631B63026332 04632F0C631A8D8088B17102BE20DE8A91A3042403FFFF838D 808DD0CC8B93833820BE20A3B22703FFFF833C208D0081FB83 3E20 [$E3] Rev Packet (NEW) 2FE99DC72FEF6A63 0801 15EC707F19DD7787 E3 09404C4902944A45C70DEC3020CD52511B671F631B63026332 04632F0C631A8D8088B17102BE20DE8A91A3042403FFFF838D 808DD0CC8B93833820BE20A3B22703FFFF833C208D0081FB83 3E20 C+P.... ...Some have C&P'd a post saying that Dish has pulled the map 57 from the steam. Others have stated that DN pulled the 3B. I have not seen a log for either as of yet, so at this point, it stands as "conflicting reports that DN has done anything". Bev is warming up for something with the new rev. What I've been told is this rev enables them to do alot of things. The one that everybody is talking about now is dynamic processing of the CW and CMD07. But I've yet to really see a log proving this, so who knows... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know how much of this is true, just a C&P C/P from elsewhere Okay. I have been doing some research. According to a few others including Mbates14, yes in a way it is like Dave's USW 63 update, but with a few twists. This will put an end to blockers, we will most likely need cloaking scripts. They will offer little protection. Seems that ALL providers cams including Rom102/Rom103 and icams will now have 4 sets of keys instead of the 2 IDEA keys we all know and love. In addition to the 06 and 46 keys, we now will have 0706 and 0746 as well, that could be used to decrypt the Dynamic Code payload locked inside of the Cmd07. Better yet, one would assume that the provider would only send down these 07xx keychanges using EMM-S instead of EMM-G packets. As we all know EMM-S is cam specific, meaning unless are running a subbed cam you cam will never even get the EMM-S packets becasue your ird will never send it to the cam, even if it did you could not decrypt the EMM-S packets becasue the decrypt keys are cam specific too. Even if you are running a subbed cam or clones of subbed cam, the Dynamic Code that can be launched from the Cmd07 payload can hash the cam id bytes in OTP at 3050, or hash cams with marked OTP from glitching, or basically any range of codespace changing ranges at the will of the providers. This payload could be just something as simple as a keychange for subs only, or it could be a MAPROM kill + erase cam and hang, since that seems to be the providers card killer of choice. Bottom line the Cmd07 payload will have to execute to get video, blocking it would be useless. Let it run and maybe loop your cam. So this is truely bad for all platforms of testing. When these updates are put into effect, it is likely that every form of testing will be down for at least a brief period. They could very well send down a few keychanges just to test the waters, or they could just start looping clones right out of the gate .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...... another...c/p I have been following this somewhat, but like most of us, will just have to deal with it when it happens...besides Slcks advisory chart (LOL) heres another one of my favorites.... Quote  riginally Posted by Dipper Steps to starting a good rumor: 1) Take advantage of the fact that ECM activity has been slow. OR 2) Take advantage of the fact that ECM activity has been frequent. 3) Make posts that contain lots of hex codes. These numbers look scary and convincing. This is a sure way to convince people that what you say is the absolute truth. For example: I just found out that the sky really is falling. Data analyzed indicate a change in the pressure levels from 09 C1 FF E4 67 87 34 F2 9C to 09 C1 FF FF EE EE 34 F2 9C. The FF EE EE is the signature of lower pressure and it stands to reason that the atmosphere will soon be gone. Look for an extra 87 45 66 to be introduced tomorrow. It's the beginning of the end, folks. 4) Post your rumor on several different sites so that you can create a sense of urgency. People need to know the sky is falling! 5) When others begin cutting and pasting your rumor to the remainder of the community, you have successfully shaken the community into believing a terrible thing is about to happen and there's nothing they can do about it. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ........ and another c/p Of course dipper has a vested interest in keeping panic down...just as a bev rep has an interest to keeping panic levels high... I think most wouldn't go into the chicken little thingy as most of us have seen all this stuff before...just packaged differently...and most have learned from such propaganda...if history has a way of repeating itself...I figure the timing of the ecm might coincide with WWE Summerslam PPV on Sunday...it would be the traditional thing to do... I will concede however that with the fta industry involved...who has by far the most to loose...lots of $$$$ will be flowing to counter whatever ecm comes our way...this is what will be different from before...we have evolved from backyard coders to professional paid coders...but I guess we will see... |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 687 Registered: May-06 | I dont see how (I am not a programmer) DN can change things on their end that the decoders cant figure out...since they basicly have the whole card figured out as of last year. Unless as Jason said they do a cardswap |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11380 Registered: Jan-06 | hehehe...if a card swap happens, then U will see cable being hacked again...lol...and more interest in DTV again... BTW...here's that chicken little chart...lmao  |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 688 Registered: May-06 | well, if the sky is falling, i have a sub share unbrella to protect me. Plus my local cable guy that will hook u up for 75 bucks and a tag that says your legal | |
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Silver Member Username: RtapFL Post Number: 331 Registered: Jan-07 | well in miami we get connected for forty.hahahs | |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1268 Registered: Oct-06 | Thanx boss for post # 11348 This confirms my predictions accroding to my calculations. What it means at least one row of 16 bytes hexkey code Or 2 rows 2x8x2 hexkeys. (Byte=2 hex digits) Either way it is breakable since they are not changing receiver boxes BUT with the constant roll over every hour on top of the hour can make it impossible to keep up with. EEPROM is the hard wired programmable chip. They'll change only the smart card. If it gets hacked you'll only enter keys manually. DEAD END or doomsday Time to move to easier target like star choice or DTV. I haven't been around satellite long enough but from what I gather DTV ended 2004 when they kept changing algorithm every other day refering to plastic programming then the birth of MPEG-2 on Flashable FTA receivers having DN and BEV. As they both will eventually turn cold the only MPEG-2 is star choice. Remember hackers won't sleep when they are defeated BUT expect a long wait for something else to open. I don't see how Nagra fails to increase their key code, it sure takes time. Eventually it is in progress. SAY GOOD BYE TO YOUR dn AND bev Very shortly when nightmare becomes reality I say October 2007 (REMEMBER KING'S PREDECTIONS)} |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 46 Registered: Jun-07 | bump | |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 961 Registered: Apr-06 | And I don't see how increasing the key size would make any difference. Keys will still come down in the clear. The only downside would be when that when autoroll is disabled thru and ecm it will be twice the pain in the @ss to enter the keys manually. And, if keys are linked to CAMs, I'm sure CAMs IDs can be emulated. At least you can't loop an FTA receiver. |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11511 Registered: Jan-06 | "At least you can't loop an FTA receiver." Jason...with these people here...I wouldn't be so sure of that...LMAO I still got my T911, Mik 3 and winexp scripts all ready.....lol |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11518 Registered: Jan-06 | C&P from mbates14 Quote: Here is the breakdown, for now, there is still more, (actually MUCH more to this ecm), so stay tuned... Ok all we have a wide scale problem with this update. you'll see once they activated it. this update turns on dynamic code like the old Dave USW63 did. Basically BV is going to send 1024bit command07s that have the keyselect and provider ID morphed so loggers don't catch it right away. The code at 60DB demorphs this to the proper bytes. But there is going to be dynamic code inside the command07 that gets decrypted and stored at 0100. this cod MUST GET EXECUTED. in order for it to come up with a good checksum/seed and then it passes on to SHA-1. All map calls are riddled on this new update except for sha-1. Now for the fun part: the decryption of the dynamic code takes place using a 2 new IDEA Keys stored in dataspace. so instead of having 2 ideas keys, we are gonna have 4 now. 2 06 and 46 keys like before, and 2 NEW 07 46 and 0706 keys used to decrypt the dynamic code inside the command07. Here is the bad news: this key will likely be passed to the cam using EMM-S on a subbed cam like the NFL keys were last year. that means that only paying sub bins will receive the new keyrolls for the 07xx keys. This isn't good as a public community. The second part is the dynamic code buffer at 0100. they could sneak anything there. they could sneak in OTP checks for marks and stuff like Dave did for the BSH. The OTP mark on BS h was used to get the control words, and you froze up if you used a BS H card. i expect b*v/d*sh to do the same with 3060/61. Also in the 0100 buffer most likely is going to be new map calls for data manipulation of the seed required to fix up the control words. And they can xor against anything in eeprom. also they can xor against a known byte for a blocker, and loop the cam using the dynamic code. You cant block the dynamic code, or you wont get video, you have to let it run. this is going to mean more looped cams like Dave. One last thing: they check 3054 for a proper provider mark. if not present, or invalid you get no video. So you'll have to mod the codespace for this little issue, but then again, they can send dynamic code down to "hash" or check for this mod, and if you modded it, you get no video because you don't get the right keys. More is still yet to be known. but as it unfolds, its going more and more like Dave's old tactics every day. Meaning you'll have to have a valid subbed bin to get TV, like Dave...you'll have to have cloakers, like dave...Blockers will no longer have any meaning anymore, like Dave. FTA is gonna be dead unless they emulate full SFR/Map and all registers/rom calls because the dynamic code could change to anything at any point in time. Its gonna be a up down up down event on FTA to say the least. The only thing thats gonna stand a chance outside of plastic is the armulator. The Armulator is full blown emulation except for maps/SFRs. It emulates all opcodes, and emulates eeprom/rom and all of its addresses. It runs ST19 code as if it were native. so if you emulate the SFRs properly, and know enough about map, arm has a good chance to stand up, as you can run an arm blocker-less and set OTP however you like so the dynamic code don't bark at you. As far as atmegas, and other boards, they ain't gonna stand a good chance at all, because the Atmega and the enigma/etc etc are partial emulators. They only emulate and handle commands. they don't run ST19 code native. at least not to my knowledge. so thats gonna make things really difficult for the Atmega until an ST19 core native emulator is coded. And i also forgot, CEMU and the like will stand a chance, because they all use address/native code emulation like the armulator. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- another c/p Info posted above was refering to the new 20 some Packets that B3V had introduced to the stream a week ago. The basic info was that B3V will be doing a Rev update and once that happens mbates14 was saying if the FTA coders don't have the new Rev and Full map in their hands that they will go down until a full dump can be done for the FTA's. The last time B3V did a Rev/Map change FTA's were down for a min of 5 weeks until Viewsat came out with a file. Only after the Viewsat file was dumped were the other manufacturers able to eventually come out with files. Once B3V finishes with all the Testing you might see Dish come out with there own version of this set of packets. Others explain that these C&P posts contain info with a lot of discrepencies and wrong info on it and it is not from a reliable source or coders and that coders will never show their hand or explain details to the public on open forums for BEV and Dish spys to see. Right now the bev and dish are using 512bits and they have not even switched to 768bit and they are far from a 1024 bit encription. We will just have to wait and see what this new rev does once it is activated and until then nothing can be said and anything that is said is pure speculation at this point. The atmosphere in the coder circles (in the FTA circle) is that this is nothing to worry over and is conquerable (thats the benefits of having the full rom 102 MAPS and hacks). Keep your hopes up guys. BTW...this new Rev activation is expected around next week to coincide with the start of the NFL season... |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 962 Registered: Apr-06 | My backup is my rom102 card in my C00lsat. But, at least Bev is going down first so maybe there will be a fix before the same ecm hits DN. | |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 47 Registered: Jun-07 | Just got off the phone with a top coder...she says that all fta users have to do is put a new pin in the johnson bar. This we do not have to do until the ecm is at full strength. no big deal is basically what she told me. |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3500 Registered: Jun-06 | Jason Borne: "what is all this Egyptian writing?" Actually, I would general understand it extremely well if I had the info on the machine code of the receiver's CPU. Can you point somewhere or PM me? |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1286 Registered: Oct-06 | LK A big portion of this C&P from mbates14 is plausible but the rest is all pigshit another word all guess. Made it sound like he knows the exact move before the birth of the new algrithom. This is like saying I know what your reply will be to this post before yo even post it. The plausible part is "Now for the fun part: the decryption of the dynamic code takes place using a 2 new IDEA Keys stored in dataspace. so instead of having 2 ideas keys, we are gonna have 4 now. " but clearly to me this person ain't even an assembly programmer I described my guess as a dynamic roll over cuz morph is like a go subroutine on top of hashed data meaning a data that contains an opcode instruction within a self-contained data. In any case I haven't been around home past few weeks to watch much TV but I noticed something strange. VU-sat has been extracting keys without any down time. I don't know if anyone else noticed it or simply cuz I missed something while I was away. What it means if I'm right that for 10 to 30 minutes 2 active keys are working side by side. As we all know one active key other is the roll over where as instruction fills the transitional move. You'll say so what is the big deal? I tell you if my guess is right it is a fuucking set back to Nagra and DN against hackers. Excuse my language This could be why there is a delay to doomsday And possible stinger  LOL King |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 2895 Registered: Nov-06 | Well if the end is near[doomsday] then I'm going up on the roof with my gun. But I doubt it.Would be nice to get atleast another month first,that way my new cw600p will have paid for itself.  |
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Silver Member Username: KingusamaPost Number: 277 Registered: May-06 | lol satscanner... | |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 48 Registered: Jun-07 | CP 24 CHANNEL 503 GONE FROM BEV...could this be beggining? | |
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Silver Member Username: Aafl_dragonPost Number: 161 Registered: Jun-06 | Theres other ways to watch free tv then DN and BEV and you guys should start looking for it.... | |
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Bronze Member Username: Chris7777Post Number: 44 Registered: May-06 | yeah tiger woods sounds like what my mechanic said whe he told me i needed a new johnson rod for my caddy lmao | |
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Silver Member Username: Flatulant_kittyPost Number: 323 Registered: Jul-06 | Well.................... IT'S HERE!!! |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3506 Registered: Jun-06 | C/P from future-fta site - as posted by "Sundance 348" "rev 248 has been in the stream for awhile now, it just finally got activated and more to come from this change 4 sure. Expect dish to follow same route shortly . There is alot that is possible with this rev change and remains to be seen how far the providers will go . We don't expect a fix soon as have to see what all happens first. This goes for nearly all testing devices . Guys expect all chs to go black soon. Rev changes have occured in the past but this one has some deadly potential to do more than ever before that we seen in DN and Bev.....anyone remember old Dave days, need valid sub bin, dynamic code etc ?" |
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Bronze Member Username: Silver1123Mexico, DF Mexico Post Number: 100 Registered: Jul-07 | Copied from FTAbins.com ECM Rumor, A LARGE change in the data stream This is a C/P of A Rumor floating around..it has been a long time since Bev and Dish threw a curve our way..I tend to lean towards this info...what about you? Bev and Charlie are increasing the length of CMD07. At the moment,BEV has increased the length of the CMD07 packet to 104 bytes (from the previous 72). The extra bytes are not doing anything at the moment, but you can bet they will do something very soon. Charlie seems to be taking a different approach: He injects the longer CMD07 once in a while and removes it. Most likely some kind of testing going on. Regardless, major changes are coming soon. A few possibilities: 1. They may be moving to 768bit RSA on the CMD07 from the previous 512bit. If so, Atmegas should finally be gone. The decryption timeswill be too damn tight - and x-15 had given them highly optimized code to begin with. As for Enigma, I can easily double-up the speed in hardware and got tonnes of space for more optimized 768-bit RSA. I don't know how many FTAs can survive the new speed requirements. You see, the Enigma has 15 seconds to compute the control words - but it doesn't do anything else. Whereas, an FTA unit has to multitask and keep the screen live and not crash while calculating the control words. My guess is that the higher end models @300MHz will survice. Low-endmodels like Pansat2500 running at 90MHz won't make it. CEMU should survive too if using a PC greater than 300MHz. Armulator should make it. 2. The other aspect of this is the fact that the extra payload data in CMD07 will surely be used in the new decryption algorithm of CMD1C. Ifthis happens, and a secret key is chosen from IRD firmware, only Echostar IRDs should continue to function. That should nail the coffin shut on FTA. This ECM will be HUGE. end C/P |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 51 Registered: Jun-07 | There are very few people in the world that truly understand reverse engineering. Most of the ones that do have some trouble speaking english. I know nothing about the codes!!! I get some comfort from knowing that no body else on these forums know either. What I am saying is this....All these people writing cp`s dont really no much more than the rest of us IMHO. So we dont know if its the end or just a hickup... I am going to go with the hickup and predict that LK will have this all figured out by Monday at the latest |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3510 Registered: Jun-06 | "There are very few people in the world that truly understand reverse engineering. Most of the ones that do have some trouble speaking english. " "LK will have this all figured out by Monday at the latest" WELL SAID, Tiger Woods. Hats off to LK - she's the best!!! |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3512 Registered: Jun-06 | Understanding revisions and software as apoplied to FTA receivers and carded receivers. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/384312.html |
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Gold Member Username: Hawaiian_timeKanaka freak... Post Number: 1347 Registered: Apr-06 | All I know is that we've been through all of this before. 'Experts' saying that this is it, the end of free satellite tv. I don't understand some of the technical stuff but when you come down to it, most FTA units are more powerful than the DN or BEV units. Viewsat coders know what VS units are capable of doing as do other coders with their units. Unless they change hardware, I believe whatever can be done can be undone, just might take a while. The 'expert' will say Hawaiian doesn't know anything, then when the fix comes, that 'expert' will disappear or change his nick. | |
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Gold Member Username: Hawaiian_timeKanaka freak... Post Number: 1348 Registered: Apr-06 | Now we will see which support really is the best! | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11523 Registered: Jan-06 | its HERE folks.. just as predicted.....REV 248 by Bev BEV has just disabled all PPV and Po*rn on plastic, atmega and Most FTA's (some FTA still has po*rn). Expect more channels to drop as time goes by. This is all tied to the new ECM (higher encrypted CMD07 and dynamic routines for keys). Dishnet is sure to follow suit soon as well. There are NO new fixes and do NOT expect one too quickly. ......................................................... The BEV keys are changing rapidly back and forth between these two key sets at this time, sometimes within only a minute or two. 00: 4D 72 C7 59 38 FE 2D 3F 1D 97 2E 64 68 80 4E 23 (active) 01: 56 D2 D0 C4 8A BC 0D D0 CA AB 86 5F 83 1A 83 5F 00: 7E EE 27 6D 90 7B AE 79 17 F1 D0 DA 00 FE E6 31 (active) 01: 56 D2 D0 C4 8A BC 0D D0 CA AB 86 5F 83 1A 83 5F ***Users across the boards are reporting loss of PPV and movie channels. Bev is starting to implement system updates. No key changing will fix this and it is possible that channels may come and go and that the system may go down entirely. If the system does go down, it will be some time before a new fix comes out. This is not a simple autoroll change, but a major revision in the way the system works. |
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Silver Member Username: AmexPost Number: 477 Registered: Nov-06 |  . |
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Bronze Member Username: AmtPost Number: 39 Registered: Jun-06 | i just got viewsat ultra and downloaded new bin when i did auto scan every thing worked fine but when i scan echo 3 or 61.5 its not getting any channel and i only watch south asian channels and they come on echo 3 on 61.5 can any one plese help me | |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1288 Registered: Oct-06 | Can Yo get a refund? | |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 967 Registered: Apr-06 | I'm assuming that because you're posting your problem in this thread that you suspect that your map57 function is broken. | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11535 Registered: Jan-06 | Plan B, sub sharing working well here....hehehe.... at least now FTA and plastic have become "challenging" again...the "set it and forget it" was getting old and boring.... |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3523 Registered: Jun-06 | LK: You forgot to read this. There is nothing magical or difficult about UNDERSTANDING what is happening with revisions and keys. There is software called 'firmware' doing a lot of work. It is about 400K to 1.6M long. A small part of it is related to security so that unauthorised access is denied. It could be about 10-40K long. Then a VERY SMALL PART of this security code is manipulating the 'keys' '" perhaps 1K long. The keys themselves are currently 16 hex numbers or 16 bytes long. A big revision of the security took place last year in summer. The 10-40K security was changed. It took about 2 months to figure out what had changed and do reverse engineering. Since then while you have been getting changes to the keys themselves (only 16 bytes) or a minor ECM in the part of security software that tweaks the keys to make you life miserable, the main security code is unchanged. There is probably a new revision coming that would affect the whole of the security part of the software, perhaps introduce not 16 bytes but 32 bytes of keys and perhaps more involved pattern of tweaking the keys. It will probably take 2 days to 30 days to decipher and reverse engineer. What is human engineered can be understood by other humans. |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3524 Registered: Jun-06 | The New Bev Revision Updates 8/20/2007 12:47:57 Pm Emm$e3= 2fe99dc72fef6a63080115ec707f19dd7787e309404c490294 4a45c70dec3020cd52511b671f631b6302633204632f0c631a 8d8088b17102be20de8a91a3042403ffff838d808dd0cc8b93 833820be20a3b22703ffff833c208d0081fb833e20 8/20/2007 12:48:03 Pm Emm$e3= 38e8d54434ed6266080115ec707f19dd7787e309404d490294 8f458d8088b1026608cd89e42603270883cd8dc5cc55da8326 19a6a8ae8ae10225ef2206a6bfe10325e7cd8dc50463040263 1083be20a3d02703ffff833c20cc55fd83be20a3e0 8/20/2007 12:48:10 Pm Emm$e3= 74630a83b65daa47080115ec707f19dd7787e309404e240294 d40e2703ffff833c208d808a05cc55bf0231de047a87944a02 81dc01ff02943b018200000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 8/20/2007 12:48:17 Pm Emm$e3= 4bc5e98e9e6cd768080115ec707f19dd7787e309404f270231 d90400000000028210010002321f0e00000000000000000000 000000000231a7040000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 8/20/2007 12:48:23 Pm Emm$e3= 45125f82d7b8cb94080115ec707f19dd7787e3094050490289 2d4583838383838383838d808c6488c60dfda1072707266683 cc946183cd59da0a0010cd5ac00dff0a0505c60e00a41fc70e 00c60e01a410aa86c70e014fc70e02a609c70dffc6 8/20/2007 12:48:30 Pm Emm$e3= 78e6d17e0905b738080115ec707f19dd7787e3094051490290 3545834f2004834fae0188883f4a3f47ad24a695b74ba60685 ad31a6bfad25a6acb74ba64685ad24a6cfad183fc34fcd5c76 00956983a683b792c630544cb793bf948183b748a6 8/20/2007 12:48:36 Pm Emm$e3= 0a84cfc318292d29080115ec707f19dd7787e3094052490290 7a4510cc5be08388a64292c74a3c4b92cf4a3c4ba61092c74a 3c4b8492c74a3c4ba60892c74a3c4b4f92c74a3c4ba61092c7 4a3c4b8183ae014f90ae462006ae014f90ae06883f 8/20/2007 12:48:43 Pm Emm$e3= 4e0beba747a1fbf2080115ec707f19dd7787e3094053490294 e345cd950791f5c602aac7090cc602abc7090dcd950792f5c6 02aac7090ec602abc7090f8183cd598e027180cd56c0cd5754 00473c474f8d00a93281838988a1012242ce30545c 8/20/2007 12:48:50 Pm Emm$e3= 6e52251fcd03c3cf080115ec707f19dd7787e3094054490295 2845bf80ae07bf81ae064d2702ae46bf83ae08bf847180cd7a 2d06e00ad825200ee71dcd57000a20cd5b71cd5a3c4d46038d 0086c8718084884d27084a271083cc961283cd5ac0 8/20/2007 12:48:56 Pm Emm$e3= 67f91c94cda98a8f080115ec707f19dd7787e3094055490295 6d4591f50a9200200983cd5ac092f50a9200a6208d8088538d 808686a6438d00a822cd5ac00b52040040a6448d00a822cd5a c00b12040040a6448d00a822cd5ac00ad2040040a6 8/20/2007 12:49:03 Pm Emm$e3= 21c3b125a8a419f8080115ec707f19dd7787e3094056490295 b245448d00a822cd59da040008cd5ac00a9a040838a638b748 a6458d00a822cd5ac004400b9208cd5aa60a920b9208263127 0183a6c0c104542627a607c104552620270183cd5a 8/20/2007 12:49:10 Pm Emm$e3= 055a72a648336e1d080115ec707f19dd7787e3094057490295 f745c00a9a010000cd59da0a9200cd59da0b92088485998d80 90e08183cd59da0a9200cd59da0b9208848599818390ae0320 3b3f4890ae0420343f4890ae05202d3f4890ae0620 8/20/2007 12:49:16 Pm Emm$e3= 53ce65194f726ebf080115ec707f19dd7787e3094058490296 3c45263f4890ae07201f90ae09201a3f4890ae0a20133f4890 ae0b200c3f4890ae0c20053f4890ae0d8889ad09909f8d00a8 22858487b7459fbf4481a6012002a602b748a6028d 8/20/2007 12:49:23 Pm Emm$e3= 39277bfb49a4b55a080115ec707f19dd7787e3094059490291 42130ba048c70ba15fd60ba0db0ba1d80ba2d70ba20232200d 638a5d00009f8ed50000168ef3028ec5088383838383833f6c 028f830499cd951e0290e3040b5d2708028f7d010a 8/20/2007 12:49:29 Pm Emm$e3= 7ff2cf2131a48b4f080115ec707f19dd7787e309405a470289 72430e03a480aa08c70e03ce0a06bf24c60a07a4ef0d2402aa 10c70a06c60a08c70a07c60a09a47f0b2402aa80c70a08b624 a480c70a093f248487838383838383838383830000 8/20/2007 12:49:36 Pm Emm$e3= 6467e4a6af1e19db080115ec707f19dd7787e309405b470290 ed3b2409cd59da0ba280998783998d000100240420ee838325 ea998d8091bc25e320e8838383838383838383838383838383 83838383838383838383830231cf0460db89350000 8/20/2007 12:49:43 Pm Emm$e3= 04a36c04ac150167080115ec707f19dd7787e309405c450290 bf204a3f47ada5a695b74b909f85adb2a6cfada63fac4fcd5c 760095698383838383028a9f1d94e320198383838383838383 838383838383838383838383838383838300000000 8/20/2007 12:49:50 Pm Emm$e3= 23ec5388612b42da080115ec707f19dd7787e309405d2d0296 810400a822870231a8036f8ecb02912d020ba202913a020ba2 029175020ba20291c6020ba20291d4020be200000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 8/20/2007 12:49:56 Pm Emm$e3= 3b683d29346abba7080115ec707f19dd7787e309405e210232 1f01800231a7018a0231c00400000000023229018c02322401 910230d7013800000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
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Silver Member Username: AmexPost Number: 488 Registered: Nov-06 |  . |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1108 Registered: Jul-06 | Everyone knew it was coming I am not surperised we had enough of Free TV. Now lets wait and see whats coming after FTA is dead.... | |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 702 Registered: May-06 | I agree with u there LK. It has lost the challenge. I up for it. It will just make us appreciate it more when it comes back | |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3529 Registered: Jun-06 | Somebody said: "LK will have this all figured out by Monday at the latest" Perhaps she is not able to fix by Monday so she says that "It has lost the challenge". Maybe it will take a couple of days more??? |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 55 Registered: Jun-07 | his is the latest from TDG http://www.dailytech.com/Survey+Less+Than+Half+of+all+Published+Scientists+Endor se+Global+Warming+Theory/article8641.htm |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1289 Registered: Oct-06 | This is not the big bang folks this is just a small scrimmege. Yo still don't understand they won't rest untill PTA is completely eliminated. I would love to see the next PTA take on Cable TV and Scientific Atlanta using power-VU. When that day arrives I'll dance naked in my bathroom |
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Silver Member Username: EdenmanPost Number: 447 Registered: Aug-06 | FTA just hasnt been exploited like it has been overseas. Perhaps now is the time? True FTA is only going to grow and is really another thorn for the man (unless THEY exploit it!) There are a whole lotta people with small dishes and high powered receivers now. Free TV will come and go, FTA aint goin nowhere :-) | |
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Gold Member Username: Hawaiian_timeKanaka freak... Post Number: 1367 Registered: Apr-06 | Hey King, I saw video on the web proving that you already are dancing naked in your bathroom! lol |
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Gold Member Username: Hawaiian_timeKanaka freak... Post Number: 1368 Registered: Apr-06 | If DN finally does manage to thwart the efforts of testers to decipher their encryption, it would be to their advantage to put on some kind of free channel with paid advertising of some sort. Not to take the place of a paid subscription but maybe to entice them to sign up. Seeing that there are so many FTA units out there right now. | |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3544 Registered: Jun-06 | You are missing the main point of this exercise by DN. we all are their publicity vehicle. They let everybody watch free TV for a while, then put an ECM and some customers sign up and it goes on and on. It is in their interest to allow the hacking and the BINs and the keys., etc. | |
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Gold Member Username: Hawaiian_timeKanaka freak... Post Number: 1373 Registered: Apr-06 | Well I for one am not going to rush to subscribe to DN. If anything, I would subscribe to DTV. I don't think DN would want anyone to watch not even 1 single movie without paying for it! | |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1290 Registered: Oct-06 | Hawaiian Nay that wasn't me dancin' Maybe my digital copy cat Nalin I don't know about that conspiracy theory to allow PTA. This is like saying Wallmart allows looting to shop lifters to try out their sold product so they come back to pay with money next time around. |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 707 Registered: May-06 | LOL, king, walmart does allow shoplifting. You can take something under $25 and they do nothing to you. They announced this on CNN. | |
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Gold Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 1109 Registered: Jul-06 | Hey, edenman You got that right. King have said that he don't steal, he is a paid customer. But, likes to hang out with the guys that do. I think he gets off on this shitt or maybe he works for the man. Now he is back laughing his S off. Who laughs last laughs best. |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 2920 Registered: Nov-06 | Yeah,I don't pirate either,I just make stuff up. |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3546 Registered: Jun-06 | Stealing: Compassion or Punishment. The first Australian immigrants in modern times were petty criminals including those who had stolen a loaf of bread. Commpassion would have kept them rotting in England The first American immigrants in modern times were conscipted sailors who came to America and stole land. Commpassion would have kept them rotting in the English ports. Many in the world would love to get such a punishment!! |
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Silver Member Username: JojogunFairfield, CA United States Post Number: 294 Registered: Apr-06 | News concerning FTA receivers and DN August 30, 2007 We have become aware that the provider is intending to make changes to the DataStream, which when implemented will cause all FTA receivers to go down. These new changes will affect the number of idea keys that are used to receive the signal, the new dynamic code will use 4 lines for a total of 46 keys. The new code will have several other changes as well. Decryption and revision of the dynamic code will be complex, and will take some time to counter. Please be patient as we work on a new fix. We do not know when the changes in the DataStream will be take place, we expected it to happen within the next couple of weeks. Past practice would suggest that DN will probably implement the new ECM on the International channels first (61.5°, 121° and 148° satellites). The subscriber base for Internationals is relatively small compared to the total so it will serve as a test bed. If there are no major glitches and legal subscribers can continue to view channels, DN will then target p*rn and PPV channels (movies and events) on all satellites. If the ECM does not create any major problems for its subscriber base, the ECM will then be implemented on a transponder by transponder basis with more and more channels going dark over the course of a week or so. Most likely, local channels will be the last to go. We understand that some of you may feel angry, especially new members, but this is the risk we take running FTA receivers. It is possible that we will have the new files ready within a day or two. But there is also the possibility that it could take weeks, similar to the hit in the summer of 2006, when we were down for a few months before the new fix was released. Please be patient. It will not help the situation if our technicians are constantly answering e-mail questions about the situation, or about when a fix is going to be released. They could be using the time to work on the new fix or a new solution. We will automatically notify all members who are registered on the Forum of any updates or changes as they are posted While we are working on all possible solutions, remember patience is a virtue. For more information about the technical aspects of this situation please read the information below: Basically (the provider) is going to send 1024bit command07s that have the keyselect and provider ID morphed so loggers do not catch it right away. The code at 60DB demorphs this to the proper bytes. But there is going to be dynamic code inside the command07 that gets decrypted and stored at 0100. This code MUST GET EXECUTED. In order for it to come up with a good checksum/seed and then it passes on to SHA-1. All map calls are riddled on this new update except for sha-1. Now for the fun part: the decryption of the dynamic code takes place using a 2 new IDEA Keys stored in dataspace. So instead of having 2 ideas keys, we are going to have 4 now: 2 06 and 46 keys like before, and 2 NEW 07 46 and 0706 keys used to decrypt the dynamic code inside the command07. Here is the bad news: this key will likely be passed to the CAM using EMM-S on a subbed CAM like the NFL keys were last year. that means that only paying sub bins will receive the new keyrolls for the 07xx keys. This isn't good as a public community. The second part is the dynamic code buffer at 0100. They could sneak anything there. They could sneak in OTP checks for marks and stuff like DAVE did for the BSH. The OTP mark on BS h was used to get the control words, and you froze up if you used a BS H card. We expect d*sh to do the same with 3060/61. Also in the 0100 buffer most likely is going to be new map calls for data manipulation of the seed required to fix up the control words. And they can xor against anything in Eeprom . also they can xor against a known byte for a blocker, and loop the CAM using the dynamic code. You cant block the dynamic code, or you wont get video, you have to let it run. In summary, this revision looks pretty complex and is likely to take some time to counter, but it has been done before. Source: Another FTA site. |
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Silver Member Username: HanzPost Number: 353 Registered: Oct-06 | Thanks jojogun. In the meantime, I'm going to go outside and play soccer. |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3552 Registered: Jun-06 | jojogun: Thanks for the alert. | |
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Silver Member Username: AanaaPost Number: 189 Registered: Mar-05 | thank you for the information | |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1296 Registered: Oct-06 | Good post jojogun a lot more realistic than mbates14 but I don't think hackers will Perivale at the end PTA will be eliminated. Kavin I'm not laughing my S off I don't accuse anyone of stealing neither do I criticize anyone getting service without paying for it. I said it many times I like this as a clean hobby for the education behind it. Like Scanner said one time we are just borrowing the signal soon we'll put it back as we finish playing with it. Stealing is a harsh word to say when yo take something home and none of us do. I get signal from my backyard cuz it happens to pass by. Posted on Friday, December 08, 2006 - 02:14 pm: Intercepting a beam of radio of any sort in your Backyard is no Civil Violation Purchasing a third party MPEG-2 receiver is no Crime either Modifying your own property any way or shape nothing wrong either Sharing any knowledge on the internet advising others is Our Civil Liberty With all of these you are driving a Space Faring. Such Hobbies and Activities are the seeds that will grow our knowledge into Space Businesses and Industries. They are so much fun and great participation in Space Exploration and Development to all Generations. But I really don't like to see anyone extending this beyond the Primary goal of Space Hobby. Meaning don't use this superior knowledge for a personal gain. Such as: Selling these devices for profit Publicly or Private That is Criminal. And I will not personally share or exchange anything with any known Criminal Among Us. Posted on Friday, December 08, 2006 - 02:14 pm: https://www.ecoustics.com/cgi-bin/bbs/show.pl?tpc=2&post=961944#POST961944 |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 79 Registered: Jun-07 | This is not the big bang folks this is just a small scrimmege. Yo still don't understand they won't rest untill PTA is completely eliminated. I would love to see the next PTA take on Cable TV and Scientific Atlanta using power-VU. When that day arrives I'll dance naked in my bathroom WOULD THAT BE LIKE HARPER VALLEY PTA |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 80 Registered: Jun-07 | Jojo`s post sounds pretty depressing. If he is correct it could still be a few weeks before we see it on DN 119 and 110. I was thinking it would start today, but shows ya what I know. We will hear the guys crying on the international first then. My friends that cant aford subs can still watch me play golf today then...I am going to kick aaaasssss today against Phil and VJ |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1304 Registered: Oct-06 | DN is getting too slick They are after sub share as well They are looking for a clean seep Maybe DTV sub share instead By the way this is Harper Valley PTA  |
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Gold Member Username: JohnnerMiami, Florida Post Number: 1204 Registered: Nov-05 |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11562 Registered: Jan-06 | King....U are MISTAKEN...ther is NO way that DN or ANY provider can "go after" or even grab a "SUB SHARER!...they got a better chance of catching and " sharing " a cold with 40,000 students at a college, and finding who STARTED it...... | |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 709 Registered: May-06 | well they can if they go door to door and u let them in your house and check your recievers. no way. not till the wires are ran on poles. | |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3562 Registered: Jun-06 | They can easily find out by doing from Bar to Bar in Florida and checking who brags most about her expertise in FTA. Just ask the barman!! |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11573 Registered: Jan-06 | WHAT A retard!...NALIN IS dumber THAN I KNEW SHE WAS! dante ...its called SATELLITE TV, there will NEVER be wires "pole to pole! The ONLY pole we have here is "NALIN", the POLE SMOKER whom works for DN, and Bev...the rat and mole here! |
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Silver Member Username: Thechiz2Mars, Ur anis Mine Post Number: 266 Registered: Apr-05 | |
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Gold Member Username: JohnnerMiami, Florida Post Number: 1218 Registered: Nov-05 |  |
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New member Username: Flu_guyPost Number: 2 Registered: Aug-07 | dante ...its called SATELLITE TV, there will NEVER be wires "pole to pole! If that is the case, then why do the SUB receivers have a telephone line interface? |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11576 Registered: Jan-06 | U idiot...the TV line on the receiver is ONLY for 1 purpose...to call the receiver to account for your PPV purchases that U order with the remote and is stored in the receiver memory, so they can bill U.....LMAO... It has NOTHING to do with the "satellite" encrypted signal to allow your TV reception of scrambled channels...U don't need to plug in the phone jack cord in the TV to get satellite TV!.....thats Dss 101 for new newbies!...U've just been educated! |
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New member Username: Flu_guyPost Number: 3 Registered: Aug-07 | U idiot...the TV line on the receiver is ONLY for 1 purpose...to call the receiver to account for your PPV purchases that U order with the remote and is stored in the receiver memory, so they can bill U.....LMAO... I know that, but I thought they could use the telephone connection, somehow, to detect illegal sub-sharing setups? |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3564 Registered: Jun-06 | LK: Keep on bragging about your FTA expertise and sub-sharing. The barman is keeping tabs on where you live. Actually, you can't hide. So many people already know you and your whereabouts. |
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Silver Member Username: NickbNew York, New York USA Post Number: 119 Registered: May-06 | So far there has been good info on what the revision is and the possible methods which the companies can use to complicate the tasks involved in decoding the stream but what is the word from the camps on progress so far...has there been any report on progress as of yet? I guess the coders are awaiting the other company to execute and complete the new revision before they start work...the wait is hardest part :D keke And as for sub-sharing...this has really irked me for a long time...why is sub-sharing really illegal? I mean is it not just consumers utilizing economies of scale to reduce their collectivized per unit cost...the companies act in the same manner and follow the same economic model to reduce their costs...why can consumers not do the same? If even one buys the argument that the feeds are proprietary material and rendered on a single view licensing agreement basis for premium feeds...what about those feeds that are from aired channels from the big networks...these feeds are not provided to the satellite companies to uplink on a proprietary basis, so why therefore, if an individual sub-shares and views (just for the sake of argument) only local channels and the big networks in the 200s, why is it illegal; the cost of uplink and payment for the feed is being rendered regardless of who and how many individuals share the cost. If the satellite companies truly want to uphold their side of this argument then really when consumers watch a channel or order a ppv, the cost should be per single use, therefore, 2 parents and 2 children watching the feed should increase the cost by a multiple of 4. If those same consumers went to a movie theatre to view the same program their costs would be that of the latter case (less discounts for children). So if the satellite companies view it this way, then all sub-sharing should be illegal, not only those consumers stationed at different locations but also those users that comprise a household (individuals comprising a household are also in a way sub-sharing). But this is not how the companies operate, their categorization of sub-sharing as illegal is just spurious and convenient logic designed to supplement their bottom line. And I will not stand for it :P That is just my absurd rant for Labor Day...Enjoy the long weekend! |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11583 Registered: Jan-06 | nalin...U are the mole here...do whatever U want!....they can bust anybody here they want with the Ip's..but they need much more than "talk"...like "probable cause", which talk doesn't fall into that category.. BTW...nobody knows my name, address, etc here...just my IP...just like U!...so nalin, U are as much at RISK here as anybody else...EXCEPT U state what U actually own and how U personally hacked and steal TV signals daily...I use my words much more carefully than U..U WILL GET BUSTED BEFORE ME, UNLESS U ARE A MOLE, WHICH WE ALL KNOW U ARE! for example,.... u said U have an old Pantec 2500 and YOU uploaded bin 280T , then 288T, and now 294T...I never said "I" uploaded anything...U MORON!.... |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3575 Registered: Jun-06 | LK: You said "nalin...U are the mole here." People - read the following post by LK and you will know who is the mole here. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/suggestions/383511.html Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 06:07 pm: by LK Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11473 Registered: Jan-06 Internet crime is defined as any illegal activity involving one or more components of the Internet, such as websites, chat rooms, and/or email. Internet crime involves the use of the Internet to communicate false or fraudulent representations to others. These crimes may include, but are not limited to, advance-fee schemes, non-delivery of goods or services, computer hacking, or employment/business opportunity schemes. http://www.ic3.gov/ They have been notified... The National White Collar Crime Center, Communications Manager, Richmond, VA, (800) 221-4424 x363 or the Federal Bureau of Investigation, National Press Office, FBIHQ, Washington, D.C., (202) 324-3000. |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11588 Registered: Jan-06 | Good post Nick...I get the drift...if one house can have 6 people and 2 receivers, watching PAID subscribed satellite TV,.... then why NOT allow, 2 houses ( 1 receiver each at house, and 3 people at each house) on the same account?...either way its still 2 receivers being utilized and paid for, and 6 people viewing the channels..the satellite provider has lost NOTHING.....the providers use 1 dish with multiple LNB's, so why can't a subscriber use 1 account with mutiple receivers, regardless where he/she places them...thats just called "common" sense... | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11589 Registered: Jan-06 | Also...If I buy a Extra large 20 slice pizza...since I already paid for it, nobody should have the right to tell me how many people I can offer a piece/slice to....I shouldn't be forced to limit the slices to ONLY people who reside in my house...I ALREADY paid for the ENTIRE THING! | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11593 Registered: Jan-06 | Originally Posted by drstrange By now everyone should be aware that BEV is down due to a major system update. People paying for the service still have programming. This was not an autoroll hit like we are used to and will take much longer for a fix. Keys will not work to fix this and asking for keys and files for BEV is pointless. Receiver 'testing' is not a guarantee of uninterrupted TV programming and no one should rely on it as their only source of TV. Everyone that has been in this a long time has alternate TV programming to fall back on when this happens, i.e. pay TV. *** As of 8-31-07 2:45PM CST BEV is up at least temporarily. Enjoy it while it lasts! *** The best and quickest way to know when a new fix comes out is to go to the forum page where the fixes and files are posted for your receiver model, click on 'forum tools' at the top of the thread, and select 'subscribe to thread.' You will receive an email to your registered email address immediately when new files are posted to that area. *** On 9-01-07 BEV re-initiated the update causing loss of PPV's and so on exactly as before and keys don't affect this*** *** On 9-02-07 BEV backed off the update again,, possibly due to subscriber boxes going down again. Make no mistake, as soon as they work through this, they will do this update*** c/p from JB ok I just wanted to add something here so peeps will know whats going on in plastic testing.... they already have a fix going for the armulator |
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New member Username: Packet_stormPost Number: 1 Registered: Aug-07 | Good post Nick...I get the drift...if one house can have 6 people and 2 receivers, watching PAID subscribed satellite TV,.... then why NOT allow, 2 houses ( 1 receiver each at house, and 3 people at each house) on the same account?...either way its still 2 receivers being utilized and paid for, and 6 people viewing the channels..the satellite provider has lost NOTHING.....the providers use 1 dish with multiple LNB's, so why can't a subscriber use 1 account with mutiple receivers, regardless where he/she places them...thats just called "common" sense... Also...If I buy a Extra large 20 slice pizza...since I already paid for it, nobody should have the right to tell me how many people I can offer a piece/slice to....I shouldn't be forced to limit the slices to ONLY people who reside in my house...I ALREADY paid for the ENTIRE THING! Common Sense from OXYMORON Put is this if you was to get your no life butt away from sitting in front of the computer 24/7. Drive that boat you call a car outta Cape Commie over the mid-point bridge. Drive down and buy a single ticket to see a Miracle game. Go out in the park lot find 6 outta losers and try to use the single ticket for you all to get in.. Ain't gonna happen... One ticket ONE seat... ONE sub ONE house... thats common sense ! If it was right! you wouldn't even be questioning it plain and simple. God old age sucks don't it loser king. Mind goes fast and you don't even realize it. Nalin ignore him like the rest of the left brainers on here do. He's nothing but a jealous racist oldman, who's life has past him by. Packet |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11599 Registered: Jan-06 | Username: Lklives Post Number: 11598 Registered: Jan-06 Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 06:22 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- neosat/bluejay/nfusion fixs are already out......thats confirmed... BTW Packet...U're the loser watching the miracles and living in the coral...NOT me! |
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Bronze Member Username: DirtydeedsMontreal, Quebec Canada Post Number: 14 Registered: Mar-07 | question for LK : im new around here, and i was wondering if u guys had a section for bin files? ive looked around and cant see any. i like this site, much easier 2 get info than dss rookies...lol my platinum is slowly loosing bev channels...thinking of making a cable comeback |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11602 Registered: Jan-06 | Blue Jay....Neosat.....Nfusion.... fixes here.... Blue jay fixes are here... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bluejay 1 and 2 and plus Sept 3rd Bev fixed ppv and po*rn working Blue Jay updates 1.PPVs and all other Adult are open on B side. 2. All satellites and TPs are updated 3. Before load up, factory default is recommended. Boot loader ver1.30 is needed to be on the receiver -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cardless fix for Neosat on Bev c/p.. ok just tested this file on my lite its working! also worked on ipro 1000 dish and Bev all channels 1.PPVs and all other Adult are open on B side. 2. All satellites and TPs are updated 3. Before load up, factory default is recommended. Boot loader ver1.30 is needed to be on the receiver Nfusion fix is here... V130 - bell and satellite updates -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C/P V130 - bell and satellite updates new bin is on 'update' server both iks and stand alone modes - Bell ECM fix - All satellites updated USALS and stand alone - Factory default is required before Update. DO NOT UPDATE UNLESS YOU HAVE BOOT ver 1.28 or HIGHER you will notice a big change in the satellite list in this version v1.30. WARNING: Use all files at your own risk. 070903_nova_v1[1].30.rar |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1310 Registered: Oct-06 | LK I'm not MISTAKEN For a fact They conduct random tests to subscribers that got multi-receivers. The test requires that yo access all receivers at the time of the test. They'll black list your receiver if you fail to. This is a fact that happened to people I know in my NYC area including my brother. I would never make up stories. Wether if they still doing it in different areas or they completely stopped that I won't know. Also new receivers is basically one unit that feeds 2 TVs how are yo going to share that? |
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Bronze Member Username: DimwittPost Number: 99 Registered: Aug-06 | King, LK is our troll | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11606 Registered: Jan-06 | I give up...I am wasting my time here....I don't care who gets TV anymore...nothing is appreciated anyway.. King, U are wrong about sub sharing....ask my 5000 friends....U are the ONLY person on the planet to have sub sharing problems....its IMPOSSIBLE...there is NO TV line hooked up, cables, etc to test where the receivers are located...the receivers don't have GPS!....LMAO....and they have NEVER been able to find a sub share person...your info is 100% BOGUS! I'm done for awhile.... too many newbs and bad info here...and i'm tired of being bashed by azzholes, both newbs and others... King....sometimes U post ok, but others U are in left field... BTW...Rev 248 is almost hiistory, contrary to Kings postings...when "accepted" members here start to contradict my factual info, and the old troublemakers stay the course bashing me....its time to walk away for awhile...good luck with whatever King and the troublemakers and nalin tell U people...what a bunch! |
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Silver Member Username: WakenbakePost Number: 343 Registered: Mar-06 | RTAP will starve!!! | |
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Silver Member Username: WakenbakePost Number: 344 Registered: Mar-06 | douchebag, Mr.Bill will save your azz again. or atleast cry to the ADMIN . LOL |
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Silver Member Username: AanaaPost Number: 190 Registered: Mar-05 | do u have any Bell fix pansat 2700 A | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11608 Registered: Jan-06 | wakenbake and bridgeburner...should have been reported and banned a LONG time ago...this is the ONLY site on the entire internet that allows your crap!...and thats EXACTLY why U azzholes are here!...I admin at MANY sites and U know I would have banned U, way back when U first came here...and I would have your IP and grabbed ALL your aliases too!....but U little weasels can just continue on here, cause U and Ecoustics suck! | |
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Silver Member Username: KingusamaPost Number: 296 Registered: May-06 | lk how long do you think the other recievers will come out with new files ... like viewsat and them... btw you are doing a great job ... you defintely aren't appeciated for what you do in helping others!! | |
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Silver Member Username: WakenbakePost Number: 345 Registered: Mar-06 | review your posts before U call anything CRAP no bridgeburner |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 90 Registered: Jun-07 | For what it`s worth LK, I apreciate your posts. I was interested in what you had to say about Rec 248 etc. | |
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Bronze Member Username: DimwittPost Number: 100 Registered: Aug-06 | don't worry i know READ |
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Silver Member Username: PffftYa Right Post Number: 223 Registered: Jan-07 | Oh my freakn lord, LK and Nalin (aka Lawyer, aka Doctor, aka knows it all) STILL going at it back and forth. i figured Nalin would have gotten tired of blowing hot air a long time ago | |
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Silver Member Username: DimwittPost Number: 102 Registered: Aug-06 | pffft, is that the sound your brain makes. |
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Silver Member Username: PffftYa Right Post Number: 225 Registered: Jan-07 | na, thats the sound that i hear everytime you speak. Your still a tool and snapperhead | |
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Silver Member Username: PffftYa Right Post Number: 226 Registered: Jan-07 | and yet your username is Dimwitt, LOL shut up and go back into your hole | |
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Silver Member Username: DimwittPost Number: 103 Registered: Aug-06 | im not smart enough to have username pffft keep talkin bout your hole.. bittch |
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Silver Member Username: Jurj1Post Number: 205 Registered: Jul-06 | MrPig, So many sc*um B@gs on this site, now I remember why I no longer post here. LK is right this forum has become overrun by a bunch AZZHOLES. |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1312 Registered: Oct-06 | LK I wasn't bashing or mean to bash at all I was posting something that did happen Exactly 2 years ago My brother called me I came over and saw for myself Red screen with call 800-333-DISH They asked him to perform a test but before the test he must access all receivers in the house. The test was to match card with receiver's serial number one receiver at a time. This also happened to me 3 years ago when I came from work once 2 receivers with black screen. I had DN at that time they conducted the test I passed cuz I was a subscriber customer and I had only 2 receivers. |
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Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woodsPost Number: 94 Registered: Jun-07 | well said | |
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Silver Member Username: AmexPost Number: 518 Registered: Nov-06 | lol......forum's newest hemorrhoid.......  . |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11610 Registered: Jan-06 | these azzholes are all the same person...Eat me...wakenbake....bridgeburner...kneegrows....etc... Ecoustisc allows this intentionally!...maybe its time for people to start thinking about using REAL Dss satellite sites...this place is BS and has NO info! |
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Silver Member Username: DimwittPost Number: 107 Registered: Aug-06 | i thought nalin was kneegros... help us LK |
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Silver Member Username: AmexPost Number: 523 Registered: Nov-06 | yep..........bunch of pussyboys need there anaI sphincter repaired....... . |
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Bronze Member Username: Vhl71Post Number: 50 Registered: Jan-07 | so what's up with this thread then..All the technical details..going to be doomed for a while etc...etc... its all just rumors then?? |
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Silver Member Username: BanejPost Number: 273 Registered: Jun-06 | well its fixed so BEV is fine for now. i just wonder if Dick will follow the same step | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11678 Registered: Jan-06 | LAST SUMMER WHEN VIEWSAT FIGURED THE ENTIRE DUMP AND SHARED IT, THAT REALLY MADE THINGS EASIER THIS TIME FOR ALL COMPANIES.. But DN may add more spice to this Rev 248...so be prepared... |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3616 Registered: Jun-06 | And LK will be ready with his abuse and profanity whenever I post, and Mr.Bill will be posting a lot of his stupid pictures. | |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 2985 Registered: Nov-06 | Who's chasing who here? You came to this thread just to instigate trouble .Then you blame it on others. Your sick Nalin,get help!  |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 715 Registered: May-06 | She needs some lovin'. Shes only 14 you know. She's had her eye on LK for a while now, thats why she chases him around. (like a 14 yo girl) |
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Silver Member Username: Pannu16Post Number: 430 Registered: May-06 | Buddy if they cud track sub sharing it wud have been a mess. You wud not have continued doin it. There is a way they can track sub sharing only one way. The way is to put a GPS system in every sub!! LOL!! And then when they do that v will even get a way around it. Wat we will do is take out GPS chip and put it at same place as service address. LMAO!! Wow i am thinkin too much. But last thing There is no way to track sub sharing. Just dont plug ur receiver in phone line just to b on safer side and thats it. |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 717 Registered: May-06 | What King said about the reciever thing is right. But its only dumbazzes that plug in their reciever or call dish for help when they arent the ones subscribing, Thats how you get on the list. Being a dumbazz. Then they find the account holder in question and have them plug in their recievers at the same time. It is not random. I know 4 people who this happened to.All 4 were indians who would call in for support. duh. | |
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Gold Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 1129 Registered: Jul-06 | Hey, dantetn Were this four from India or are America Indians? |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3627 Registered: Jun-06 | Satscanner: I do not think your comments against me are appropriate. I posted repeatedly in this thread in an appropriate manner as a discussion. I think you you are in for a surprise when after all the hero worship of LK, she takes you to a nasty fall. Read the old posts and the history of that particular personality and you will know how many posters she has eliminated in the past - people with 10 times her knowledge. When your turn comes, she will not hesitate to drop you. |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11705 Registered: Jan-06 | Regarding Sub Sharing... Of course Dish or DTV will ask for the card # and the RID # of the receiver the cards are married to, if they suspect something...but they do NOT do this at random...its RARE, and only when U do a bonehead move, like call them and say something stupid....otherwise they cannot possibly know U are sub sharing!...they have millions of accounts, they can't possibly check to see if U are sub sharing!...basically ONLY U or a disgruntled former girlfriend (or whatever) can rat on yourself with stupidity! and account owners who sub share, all maintain a list of all their receivers and card numbers...and do the calling to the provider when there's a problem (which is extremely rare....never HAD to call in 10 years)...and have the sub sharer on another phone too, so U can communicate with them while talking to the customer service rep to resolve a problem with a particular receiver....but the providers do not just randomly place messages on your screen to call them so they can check if U are sub sharing...thats ridiculous! |
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Silver Member Username: AmexPost Number: 550 Registered: Nov-06 | lol.........dumbfuck Nalin is trying the 'ol "divide & conquer" shit..... what a pathetic asshoIe......  . |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 718 Registered: May-06 | From India. I have helped many of them with FTA. | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11716 Registered: Jan-06 | Nalin even ratted in the Suggestions Forums here, to the admin on satscanner...cause he called her a 14 yr old above...she's whining and says thats "illegal crime", and she could be the target now for child predators...lmao......she's a WACKO! | |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 720 Registered: May-06 | nalin... how u doin? | |
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Bronze Member Username: Omen_2Post Number: 71 Registered: Feb-07 | Mr.Bill are you LK or LK bitchie? you are always riding in the same bus? |
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Silver Member Username: AmexPost Number: 561 Registered: Nov-06 | lol............that's so VERY lame............. Cant you do better than that.........???  . |
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Silver Member Username: CntrlaltdelPost Number: 152 Registered: Nov-06 | LK, I have a couple of questions for you... I have a a virgin (I hope) P4 card I bought a couple of years ago anticipating a fix that never happened, and about 4 5th Generation DTV receivers... would that card marry to any one of those receivers? and if so, I have a friend in Texas I'll be visiting in a couple of weeks, and I'm gonna try to convince him to activate my receiver on his account, if he won't could you recommend any outfit that'll set up a sub share, or even just an account if all else fails... if FTA does die one day I want a backup solution... and I refuse to subscribe to BEV up here in Soviet Canuckistan! | |
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Silver Member Username: CntrlaltdelPost Number: 153 Registered: Nov-06 | I almost forgot, I have a DTV receiver that was activated for a year (2006) on a sub share until the dealer I was using didn't pay his bills and it shut down... I have no idea what name/address the receiver was activated under, if I told DTV I bought it at a garage sale and use a relative living in the States address... would DTV question anything? | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11735 Registered: Jan-06 | Bill....DTV customer service reps vary on their answers and "procedures"... Lets just say...I know of many who have activated a previously subscribed receiver, owned by other account owners..yes garage sale thing does work fine...and u don't have to know who use to own the IRD...but again, some reps at DTV may tell U differnt...so if they do, call back and get another rep... as far as the cards, DTV will require u to purchase a card ($20...sometimes waived depending on the rep) from them to activate in that receiver...U cannot activate any other cards, except NEW from them... I know of NO dealers that are "sub sharing"..they all got busted....mili was the last one to get popped doing that!....U will have to sub share thru a family or friend using a US address and phone #.. Your Texas bud will be the ideal one...FREE 4 room installs and all hardware for NEW subscribers, which u simply take 1-2 New ACTIVATED receivers with their married cards back to Canada with U (or he ships them to U), then split the monthly bill..and order PPV's online and U both can watch them...just keep your phone line unplugged from those receivers u get.. BTW...u can call DTV from Canada and speak to them...many Canadians "snowbird" it here for the winters and have DTV accounts in the US.. |
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Silver Member Username: CntrlaltdelPost Number: 154 Registered: Nov-06 | Thanks man, I know my friend in H-town is my best bet, he already has a two room sub... Is it just as easy as going to Best Buy with him and getting another receiver, or does DTV like to come and install them now? Either or, my sister lives in Manhattan, and worst case scenerio I'll activate a new account through her credit card and address and buy a new receiver when I'm there... You couldn't call DTV call center from Canada in the past, maybe they changed it... thanks LK, and here's hoping FTA lives a while longer so we don't have to rely on sub-sharing anyway! |
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Silver Member Username: CntrlaltdelPost Number: 155 Registered: Nov-06 | Oh, the dealer I was speaking of wasn't a DTV employee, just a d1ckweed up here that had a connection down south that set up subs and sent him receivers to sell... untill he neglected to pay him, and skipped town after about 40 receivers went down a month into a years sub, @ $650 a year paid in full by guys like me... $#*#n' b&stard! | |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11741 Registered: Jan-06 | Bill...your bud can order 2 more receivers and cards, from DTV for his present sub...he will be charged $5 per month for EACH additional receiver so another $10 monthly for 2...and $40 for the 2 cards ($20 each...thats just a one time initial cost)....he then just puts a card in each recever and replaces the present 2 receivers and calls DTV to activate the 2 NEW receivers and cards...they just throw a switch on at their DTV call center to activate them...takes DTV 2 seconds.. then he simply just takes then 2 NEW receivers and cards and mails then to U...and puts back his old receivers with their married cards (never take cards out of receivers once U put them in)....so his MONTHLY bill will only increase $10 , and then U split his entire bill with him...and he ends up with his 2 same receivers...and U end up with 2 new activated receivers and cards...everybody is happy... BTW...if (very unlikely) DTV asks why he wants 2 more receivers and cards, he just tells them that he added more cables and a multiswitch himself for additional rooms in the house...DTV doesn't care... |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3648 Registered: Jun-06 | WARNING** Map57 Pulled From D*SH Stream - Rev Update Coming Soon. The solution is simple as per LK above. "just throw a switch on at their DTV call center to activate them...takes DTV 2 seconds.." Notice to everybody on this forum except LK. This thread is now commandeered by General LK. She is in conference with her special envoy to DTV. All sats signals are to be kept open. No trashing allowed. |
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Platinum Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 11752 Registered: Jan-06 | again , nalin the STALKER follows me like a 14 yr old schoolgirl and a dog in heat!...she want my attention all the time...she's scary and a WACKO... | |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3649 Registered: Jun-06 | I actually came to post the new stream, but U saw that the thread had been comandeered, so I just posted a "do not disturb" sign to others. After all, if negotiations are under way at a high level with DTV for the stream, why bother posting? | |
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Silver Member Username: Donnie1973Post Number: 722 Registered: May-06 | LK, I think u are going to have to take one for the team here and take this girl out. She wont rest till u get with her. You are gonna have to learn how to turn that charm off dude. She is in love!!! Nalin, maybe u should look for a younger boy to love?? |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 3650 Registered: Jun-06 | dantetn : Did you not read the notice? LK IS BUSY discussing strategy with DTV about sub-sharing. She is NOT to be disturbed!! Now get lost you punk. You are not fit to discuss business level in TV viewing. |
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