Bev...now sending out Demand letters...
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9390 Registered: Jan-06 | BEV End-user Letters begin...... Bell ExpressVu is investigating individuals receiving Bell ExpressVu encrypted subscription programming without authorization. Illegal reception of Bell ExpressVu's programming is accomplished through the use of modified Bell ExpressVu access cards (sometimes referred to as "test cards"), modified free-to-air (FTA) receivers and other illegal signal theft devices. We recently obtained business records of an entity that sold illegal signal theft devices. These records show that you purchased equipment that is designed to obtain unauthorized access to Bell ExpressVu's programming. We also obtained the business records of an entity that operated a web site that provided information and other services to individuals who were interested in pirating Bell ExpressVu's programming. These records show that you were a registered member of that web site. We are contacting you because the operation or possession of illegal signal theft equipment to access Bell ExpressVu's programming constitutes a violation of the Radiocommunication Act (Canada) (the "RCA"). In particular Section 10(1)(b) of the RCA makes it a criminal offence to operate or possess any equipment or device for the purposes of decoding Bell ExpressVu's encrypted subscription programming signal without Bell ExpressVu's authorization. Any person found guilty of such an offence is liable to a fine of up to $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term of up to one year, or to both. In addition, Section 18 of the RCA entitles Bell ExpressVu to sue any person operating or possessing signal theft equipment contrary to Section 10(1)(b) of the RCA for any and all losses or damages suffered by Bell ExpressVu due to such conduct and to obtain other remedies against such persons including an injunction prohibiting such person from operating or possessing satellite signal theft equipment. Satellite piracy is illegal and results in unfair express to Bell ExpressVu and its paying customers. For this reason, Bell ExpressVu actively pursues legal action against those engaged in the facilitation of signal theft. Bell ExpressVu is willing to resolve this matter informally rather than commence a legal proceeding against you. In return for your cooperation, Bell ExpressVu is willing to settle its claims against you as of the date this letter provided that you: a) execute the enclosed Settlement Agreement which sates, in part, that you will not purchase, use, attempt to use or possess illegal signal theft equipment or devices to obtain satellite programming in the future, nor will you have any involvement in the unauthorized reception and use of Bell ExpressVu satellite television programming b) surrender to Bell ExpressVu all illegally modified Access Cards, FTA receivers or other satellite theft equipment or devices in your possession, custody or control c) pay to Bell ExpressVu the sum of $1000 for your past wrongful conduct and the damages thereby incurred by Bell ExpressVu. Should you fail to respond to this letter or should you choose to reject Bell ExpressVu's settlement offer, please be advised that Bell ExpressVu will take appropriate steps to protect its rights, including initiating legal proceedings in court seeking the award of damages and other relief. |
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Silver Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 936 Registered: Jul-06 |  So does this mean, since King is a registered member on this site, he will also be charged? Maybe not, he could be working under cover. |
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Gold Member Username: TapemanNew York City in-HD, NY Post Number: 1141 Registered: Oct-06 | Diplomatic Community  I ain't no spy |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 1888 Registered: Nov-06 | I would make them go through the legal process,then maybe they can get a Judgement for the "presedented" $1000.00 fine,excluding their legal costs. Surrender my ultra ,never!," you will have to pry it from my cold dead hands ".[Chaleton Heston].NRA "Surrender my ultra"NEVER ! [satscanner]FTA  |
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Silver Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 938 Registered: Jul-06 | Are they sending any letters to Dish Network? Since they are not licenses to do business in their country,but have over a million customers in Canada. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9403 Registered: Jan-06 | huh?...DN does not steal Bev's signals..nor possess and operate "illegal" hardware for the reception of Bev signals.... |
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Silver Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 939 Registered: Jul-06 | Hey LK Yes, you are right about one thing,they don't steal Bev's signals, only their customers. BTW what do you call doing business without a licenses? |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9408 Registered: Jan-06 | Free enterprise!...The American way!....lol Since big businesses and especially satellite TV industry is government regulated in the US by the FCC, who do U think has no license? |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 2618 Registered: Jun-06 | C/P "WTF...wow, is this NOT true!...some very WRONG statements here..but typical of LK.. " |
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Silver Member Username: Steph_ravenCartier is my boy toy!..., U wanna play... Canada Post Number: 155 Registered: May-06 | I will let you know when i receive it....lol |
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Silver Member Username: DoreenakadjPost Number: 347 Registered: Dec-06 | I demand an apology for the poor serves and programming. I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!! "yes I pay for bev" I get better serves from DN (FTA) Wait a minet>>>> I PROGRAM THE RECIEVER!! Dam I'm good... TEEHEE Everything works good on DN so far...BEV you can KISS MY A@S. Shame on you and your " Demand letters " you can go shove them up your.......... |
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Silver Member Username: EdenmanPost Number: 387 Registered: Aug-06 | A few years back bell floods the market with devices (IRDs, Dishes, LNBs, Cards, switches)now does this! lol Talk about entrapment! |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 1893 Registered: Nov-06 | Honestly,I'm surprised they are capable of sendind out letters,I'm a paying bev customer and there service /teck support/sucks on anything they try to do.Tell them ur gonna transfer them,put them on hold,and re-ask them for a million times all there account info,then disconnect them,make them start over again and continue this process till they give up.Treat them as they do us ! |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9428 Registered: Jan-06 | They're resorting to the old Dave (DTV) tactics...which worked VERY well for Dave..since they can't stop piracy, this extortion demand letter is another source of revenue.. Most people will usually SETTLE and pay the demand offer of $1000 to avoid further legal action of a possible $5000 penalty and fine, along with attorney and legal costs...but with Dave it was an initial $3000 demand/settlement offer, so Bev is cheap in comparison.. and actually, even if someone was to get busted by Bev and pay $1000, its still worth it financially to hack Bev...if U hack $200-$300 a month worth of programming (premium movie channels, PPV's, sports events, po*rn etc), hell U already beat Bev after 3-5 months of hacking.. |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 1899 Registered: Nov-06 | I've been researching this "demand letter" on other sites too, but haven't haven't seen any proof it exist's.I'm still convinced it's a rumor,to many questions that aren't adding up. |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 831 Registered: Apr-06 | If you get one of those letters then just throw it away! Bev cannot do anything to you without proof - that is getting a hold of your receiver to examine it for a modified bin. Just because someone sold you a FTA receiver doesn't mean that you took it home and loaded a modified bin. Don't give in to extorsion! |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9453 Registered: Jan-06 | Yes the first letter, ignore!...a 2nd letter may get your attention though and maybe worth considering..but remember if U never bought a "modified" pre programmed FTA receiver, or a shared Bev subscription, or any devices for prgramming plastic Bev cards, then don't worry about it..Bev needs some proof that U have purchased or possesed modified illegal hardware or a shared sub.. |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 2656 Registered: Jun-06 | So far in this forum, the only person who seems to have received this letter is LK... |
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Bronze Member Username: AmexPost Number: 95 Registered: Nov-06 | meaning what?? be a man and speak it out. . |
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Silver Member Username: CntrlaltdelPost Number: 145 Registered: Nov-06 | lol!!! Doesn't BEV understand that if they scared off people from hacking their system... thet'd still either hack or pay for the U.S. ones, so they'd still be out subscribers... here's a thought BEV... maybe fight the CRTC to add the remaining U.S. channels they don't carry, instead of going after people who (for the most part) want better channels! |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 2660 Registered: Jun-06 | Mr. Bill: You asked "meaning what?i½?" Meaning exactly what I said. "So far in this forum, the only person who seems to have received this letter is LK..." I have not seen anybody else posting in THIS forum about receiving or seeming/appearing to receive a letter from Bell ExpressVu. I do not read too many forums, so I qualified specifically, saying "this forum" meaning that there could be other forums where other peoiple might have posted similar or different letters. |
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Silver Member Username: GrimreeperPost Number: 297 Registered: Feb-06 | LK did not say he recieved this letter! he is just passing on info that has been posted on other sites |
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New member Username: Lost_boyPost Number: 7 Registered: May-07 | Nalin is 100% correct.. I spent a couple hours looking around and tallking on IRC and most of the who's who in this North American FTA circle say this is a completely bogus letter. LK has once again proven just how outta touch his mind is from reality. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9481 Registered: Jan-06 | WTF...hey I don't know if its's bogus,... all I know is what I have read from posters who say they have received it...I haven't received one..its VERY possible and ONLY a Bev employeee could factually state that its NOT TRUE! Lost Boy...back off before U get hurt!...I don't know U nor bother U, so STFU or pay the price.. |
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New member Username: Lost_boyPost Number: 10 Registered: May-07 | Mister Keyboard Commando |
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Silver Member Username: DoreenakadjPost Number: 348 Registered: Dec-06 | WELL NOW.. Since it is Mothers Day .. I am going to act like a mother with you (boys) and tell you all to play nice now ... or suffer the rath of a pissed off Bev subscriber... btw I still am waiting for said letter that you speak of .. and when or "IF" I get one ..I will put it in the trash like all the other leters . Without a worent to go in my house.. They can't do sh!t to me even if I got a letter and egnored it .. Call the RCMPs idont care ... DN is an Aerican FTA issue ..unless they have a worent for my FTA receivers ( fortec and veiwsat ) they are waisting my time. |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 1907 Registered: Nov-06 | Here's your warrant Doreen  |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 1908 Registered: Nov-06 | Better give your recievers, |
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Silver Member Username: DoreenakadjPost Number: 349 Registered: Dec-06 | Oh look its Ranger Bear stopping off to pay me a visit lol... I think he's mad because his favoret shows aren't on Bev.. You know all the FREE PPV's and P0RN!!!! |
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Silver Member Username: DoreenakadjPost Number: 350 Registered: Dec-06 | He will have to kill me first b4 i give up my FTA recievers. |
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Bronze Member Username: Hoosier_daddyPost Number: 80 Registered: Dec-06 | to eliminate pay cash...for the stuff.....good luck tracing it.... |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 2671 Registered: Jun-06 | I did a Google search on a phrase in the "Letter". I found that there are aboyt 4 sites including this one talking about the so called letter, and there is no real way of finding out where an how this letter got posted first. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9503 Registered: Jan-06 | why don't u "GOOGLE" yourself out of here!...use are USELESS! |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 2677 Registered: Jun-06 | LK: It is quite obvious that you are scare mongering. But then it is typical of you. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9506 Registered: Jan-06 | drop dead hoar immigrant! |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 2680 Registered: Jun-06 | LK: You are slipping up. There was no reply to my statement that you are scar mongering. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9529 Registered: Jan-06 | Be careful ... Lawsuit Over Hacking Advice Last week the company filed a federal lawsuit against an alleged Illinois satellite TV pirate who uses the online handle "Ump25" to post message to PiratesDen.com and other satellite hacking sites. In addition to allegedly stealing DirecTV service, the complaint charges that Ump25 -- who claims in online forums to be a major league baseball umpire -- posted detailed information on how to hack earlier versions of the DirecTV smart cards, thereby "assisting the unauthorized decryption of satellite programming." Unlike Serebryany, Ump25 isn't accused of stealing trade secrets -- an important distinction to Risestar, who says the lawsuit is an unprecedented attack on his users' freedom of speech. "It pretty much boils down to a Constitutional issue," says Risestar. "This guy didn't release any specific tools that aided and abetted anyone. All he did was share his knowledge and experiences publicly, and post." But Marc Zwillinger, the chief litigator in DirecTV's war on piracy, says Ump25's posts aren't much different from posting a DVD descrambling program to the Internet, which has been ruled illegal in the past. "These weren't just instructions like, 'do this and do that.' He was putting up the actual changes to make to the card -- specific code bytes that needed to be changed," says Zwillinger. "People say you should be able to log onto the Internet and say anything. But if you go on the Internet and admit to misconduct, that's called a confession." |
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Bronze Member Username: Lost_boyPost Number: 22 Registered: May-07 | Oh Boy Look Mommy. LK has posted another magic message using his secret decoder ring. It's makes a man wonder why he's not President of that fine country he comes from. He is magnificently amazing. Poor mister Mark Twain, surely is rolling over in is grave. LK has to be one of the finest fictional writers of all of times. |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 2694 Registered: Jun-06 | LK's latest scare mongering SCOOP!!! The whole post about "Ump25" is dated 24th April, 2003!!! URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/news/4173 Heading: DirecTV Mole to Plead Guilty Author: Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus Date: 2003-04-24 CRAZY LK |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9531 Registered: Jan-06 | I never said it was today...u missed the point...and sites are closing and being people being busted NOW...look at maxfta, hashhu and rom10x for starters.. Lawsuit Over Hacking Advice |
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Bronze Member Username: Lost_boyPost Number: 26 Registered: May-07 | Holy phuckin toledo Those of us with half a brain know that LK is short for Ludicrous Krap. The misleading information that oozes from your brain to your fingers to the keyboard onto the net is ridiculous. You have driven more members from this site inadvertently then anyone else could dream of doing intentionaly. Yet you do provide hours of amusement. To those of us watching you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off. Chasing all them unknown demons calling to you from within your own head. Fact of the matter is, you are banned from Curious Contraptions. Not long ago I believe ryerson posted a message with a screen cap showing the word BANNED underneath your name on Curious Contraptions. You where a azz back in the Dave days and nothing has changed you still our an azz. Spewing nothing more than second hand information. Not once have you had any type of an original thought, which could be considered a contrabution to this hobby. You are nothing more then a keyboard parrot and judging by your actions and ignorance you shall never be anything but, a keyboard parrot, until the day you die. |
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Silver Member Username: DoreenakadjPost Number: 367 Registered: Dec-06 | |
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Silver Member Username: DoreenakadjPost Number: 369 Registered: Dec-06 | enough said ...EH? |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9567 Registered: Jan-06 | Thanks Doreen..this is common knowledge to anybody in this hobby, but nalin just likes to argue about anything..many people and sites have reported about these letters.. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9568 Registered: Jan-06 | BTW...I really don't care who believes me or not anymore...I will no longer warn people if all I get is resistance from people like nalin..there is no point in trying to help here.. |
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Silver Member Username: DoreenakadjPost Number: 370 Registered: Dec-06 | your welcome LK |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 1934 Registered: Nov-06 | Has anybody seen a copy of this letter? I know a lot of sites are posting it to be true but,how about a copy with a persons personal info blacked out.I'm not saying it isn't true,but I want more proof.People say theres a bigfoot/sasquacth too,and say they seen it ,but i'm undeceiced to I see more proof,not rummor. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9573 Registered: Jan-06 | The copies are posted everywhere..what difference is a pic of a letter going to make, when people are already stating they have received the letters..pics can be edited too..some people need the building to fall on them before, they realize there is a problem.. DTV did this for years , and is still sending out the letters...DN is also sending these out...what makes Bev so different?...why can't people understand this?...its very simple. |
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Bronze Member Username: PsychmonsterChi town, Il USA Post Number: 64 Registered: Jul-06 | last word...once posted but still some relevance to this issue........I believe in our lord and programmers in that order and I am sure they will come to an equitable and fair understanding together which will enable all who believe to receive any signal which enters their (our) domain unannounced or unrequested and to use such signal at our discretion since I did not ask you in my home, or and if DN or Dir TV want to stop these radiations that make me want me to kill my grandmother late at night, they must compensate me (us), or leave us alone or we will sue !! |
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Silver Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 950 Registered: Jul-06 | All this fuss about Bell Express Vu sending out so call demand letters, so what? Whatever this is true or not, what difference does this make? I don't think anyone here is going to run to the airport. |
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Bronze Member Username: PsychmonsterChi town, Il USA Post Number: 65 Registered: Jul-06 | my point exactly...a rediculous response to a rediculous original question...I have ultimate domain in my house..I challenge anyone with constitutional law to give me a serious article stating unannouced and unwelcomed response of any signal forced into my home citing "freedom of speech" or information....if this signal is forced into my home, without my approval, I have the right to manipulate this as I wish...does anyone agree?...let me hear from you. |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 2718 Registered: Jun-06 | The unfortunate part from the Canadian users' point of view is the law and its interpretation by the Supreme Court of Canada. The issue brought before the court was about decoding any signal even if it entered your house wiothout your permision and even though no legal representative existed in Canada to do buisiness with. The Court also firmly refused to address the issue of the affront to the Charter of Rights. Thus Canadians were cornered into accepting their own legisltion without requiring DTV to answer an invastion of privacy as DTV is not a legal entitiy in Canada. This puts Bell in an uncomfortable position, as it can be countersued in Canada. |
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Silver Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 951 Registered: Jul-06 | I live in the good old USA. Now my question, what can the Supreme Court of Canada do to me if a Canadian geese lands in my yard and I shoot him in the SS? |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9575 Registered: Jan-06 | This was NOT a question or a response...just simply a WARNING that now BEV is sending out the Demand letters!...plain and simple....but some others here associated with DN abd Bev (whether U believe it or not) NEEDED to argue and throw the TRUTH in another direction! |
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Silver Member Username: DoreenakadjPost Number: 371 Registered: Dec-06 | Then you have geese for dinner...EH What even happens the the geese when they migrate to the south isn't canadas problem. Only on Canadian soil can we canadains do anything about the geese. Its the same as if I shot a bold eagel from the USA. What would/could you do to me? |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 9577 Registered: Jan-06 | STEALING satellite signals doesn't matter what counrty U are in or from, like domestic battery...it illegal in BOTH countries! |
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