Archive through April 15, 2007
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New member Username: Rofer12Glace bay, Nova scotia Canada Post Number: 2 Registered: Apr-07 | WHAT IS 293T I AM SORRY I DON'T UNDERSTAND |
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New member Username: Rofer12Glace bay, Nova scotia Canada Post Number: 3 Registered: Apr-07 | EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE FINE NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BUT IT IS FIXED FOR NOW. THANK YOU ANYWAY. |
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New member Username: MississauguyMississauga, Ontario Canada Post Number: 7 Registered: Oct-06 | my laptop has been stolen,is there any way that would set my AUTOROL OFF or fix my problem of loosing my picture? I have tried to turn the switch on back OFF but did not help. Thanks |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8760 Registered: Jan-06 | maybe u should go check your dogs azz too...that has about as much to do with autoroll as a stolen laptop |
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New member Username: OzziejattPost Number: 6 Registered: Nov-06 | guys can you please let me know new keys..i have tried keys above on my Ariza 700 doesnt work... thanks |
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New member Username: Musota10Post Number: 2 Registered: Apr-07 | how do you turn autoroll on/off on pansat 3500sd? thanks |
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Silver Member Username: Albino_midgetPost Number: 488 Registered: Jul-06 | mo tay menu parental control second pin--0000--or your own its at the bottom. also the new 319 bin fixes key problem. |
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New member Username: Musota10Post Number: 3 Registered: Apr-07 | Albino Midget, Thanks! |
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New member Username: WineskmPost Number: 3 Registered: Oct-06 | Does anyone have new Dish keys? |
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Bronze Member Username: Roxy06Post Number: 24 Registered: Mar-07 | JB...thank you for the keys, sorry i didn't write this sooner, appreciate very much!!! |
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Bronze Member Username: Joe123xyzPost Number: 28 Registered: Oct-06 | Key 0: B8 46 82 2D 29 B6 25 87 Key 1: 8C B1 63 15 24 65 0D 8A Aux 0: 53 B1 5A D5 D0 FD 53 8C Aux 1: 6F 19 5F DE BF 78 80 8E April 11, 2007 6:05 PM |
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Bronze Member Username: PrincePost Number: 33 Registered: Jun-06 | Can someone send me bin file for pansat 2700A |
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New member Username: Dish_addictPost Number: 7 Registered: May-06 | Hi, please help. I have DN. When I do Menu-Parental Control, it does not give my the Second Pin option. It's vanished. Hence I can't enter the new keys for Key0 and Key1 in nagravision 2. How do I get to see and choose the second pin option. Please help. |
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New member Username: WineskmPost Number: 4 Registered: Oct-06 | Joe, You are saying Dish Provider 0101: Key 0:B8 46 82 2D 29 B6 25 87 53 B1 5A D5 D0 FD 53 8C Key 1:8C B1 63 15 24 65 0D 8A 6F 19 5F DE BF 78 80 8E Correct? |
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Silver Member Username: Thunder_lightningPost Number: 226 Registered: Feb-07 | KnW....correct keys... Dish Network (Last Update: 2007/04/11 4:17 PM PDT) 86: B8 46 82 2D 29 B6 25 87 8C B1 63 15 24 65 0D 8A 96: 53 B1 5A D5 D0 FD 53 8C 6F 19 5F DE BF 78 80 8E Bell ExpressVu (Last Update: 2007/04/12 3:19 PM PDT) 86: 8F 59 43 5E BA 5A 14 5E 3C 13 D3 7E 39 4F D5 8B 96: 0F 00 39 61 7E A6 E4 22 71 91 92 87 30 D4 88 14 DJ try to scan your SAT parental control will pop out after that.. |
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New member Username: WineskmPost Number: 5 Registered: Oct-06 | THUNDER, the keys above quit working for me earlier this evening. KmW |
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New member Username: WineskmPost Number: 6 Registered: Oct-06 | THUNDER, these quit working for me earlier this evening - KmW |
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New member Username: Dish_addictPost Number: 8 Registered: May-06 | Hi Thunder, I scanned Echo7Ku (410 programs found), then I scanned Echo 3Ku, but only found 51 programs. After that too, the second pin option has not come. I am new to this. Please help...thanks |
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Bronze Member Username: Lynchmob450Post Number: 63 Registered: Sep-06 | Anyone have new keys for DN? |
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Silver Member Username: Thunder_lightningPost Number: 227 Registered: Feb-07 | that is the lastest keys i posted up there...today there is no keys change... you guys need to turn off your AUTOROLL.... |
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New member Username: HalatNew your, Ny Post Number: 4 Registered: Feb-07 | my sAT IS NOT WORKING } |
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Bronze Member Username: Lynchmob450Post Number: 64 Registered: Sep-06 | Autroll is turned off....the keys have been double checked. Still not working (running a Pansat 2700A). |
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Bronze Member Username: Thakkar2000Post Number: 37 Registered: Jun-06 | my autoroll settings: Keycode ON DISH AUTOROLL OFF BEV AUTOROLL OFF GLOBECAST OFF still doesnt work. (fortec Lifetime ultra; bin 292..echo 61.5) |
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New member Username: DespiLondon, Ontario Canada Post Number: 5 Registered: Apr-07 | I downloaded the BIN file and opened the loader. Once I enter the bin in the loader and turn on my receiver (after pressing pc-stb) it won't load the bin to the receiver. The file keeps resending....any suggestions? Thanks in advance I also tried to enter the keys in manually...but I just want to clarify....do I turn autoroll off first? and I also noticed that there are numbers (96 & 99) in front of the spot that I entered the new keys...do I need to change them to something? Sorry guys, as you can see I'm new at this. I would appreciate any help I can get. d |
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New member Username: SherSt anne de bellevue, Quebec Canada Post Number: 2 Registered: Apr-07 | I was just wondering does what bin your are having would effect the keys working? |
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New member Username: SherSt anne de bellevue, Quebec Canada Post Number: 4 Registered: Apr-07 | I was just wondering whether the BIN that one has effects the functioning of keys or not? |
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New member Username: DespiLondon, Ontario Canada Post Number: 7 Registered: Apr-07 | I have a viewsat 2000 exteme so i can either download the bin from the computer to the receiver, or i can enter the keys manually... Right? |
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Silver Member Username: Thunder_lightningPost Number: 228 Registered: Feb-07 | Zamud Haman..OK..your autoroll is off and keys are correct still no picture...now turn it off from the back of your receiver than turn it back on see if it work... Or you can load back to this bin Pansat-C 2700 288v1 Tivo it working great... after you load the 288 bin...enter keys and watch TV...no need to turn off auto on this bin...i have been using this bin 4 a long time now still working like a charm..lol |
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New member Username: DespiLondon, Ontario Canada Post Number: 8 Registered: Apr-07 | I have no idea, as I mentioned, I'm new at this and the guy who installed my sat is MIA. |
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New member Username: ShhhPost Number: 8 Registered: Feb-07 | Any one? New keys or BIN for Fortec Classic NA? Thanks |
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Bronze Member Username: Lynchmob450Post Number: 65 Registered: Sep-06 | Weird....i had a "waiting for picture" message when i opened my TV...went straight to get keys from this site and to Parental Control....then confirmed i had correct keys...when Thunder said that the keys had not changed, i double checked keys...all were good. So i exited from Parental Control...and there is my channels again! |
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New member Username: DespiLondon, Ontario Canada Post Number: 9 Registered: Apr-07 | whats the difference between the bin and the keys? d |
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New member Username: DespiLondon, Ontario Canada Post Number: 10 Registered: Apr-07 | these are the keys I have: 00 B4 ED 24 E3 BC C1 82 69 08 B8 46 82 2D 29 B6 25 87 09 8C B1 63 15 24 65 OD 8A 88 53 B1 5A D5 D0 FD 53 8C 89 6F 19 5F DE BF 78 80 8E As I mentioned above, do I need to change the first digits in the rows? |
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Silver Member Username: JuanchoSuperior Lake, Northwestern... Canada Post Number: 978 Registered: Dec-06 | despi. do it like this. |
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New member Username: WineskmPost Number: 7 Registered: Oct-06 | Help - In Nagra2 settings the first is 0101 for Dish and will change using the right and left arrows, however the second is KEY, it used to changed from 00 to 01 and back using the R/L arrows keys but no longer. I can enter 00 and 01 but the keys themselves dont change accordingly. I try to enter the keys manually but they never stay. All Autorolls are set to OFF. |
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Silver Member Username: JuanchoSuperior Lake, Northwestern... Canada Post Number: 979 Registered: Dec-06 | VS ultra |
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New member Username: ShhhPost Number: 9 Registered: Feb-07 | I Think BIN is new program you load to your box using loader? Right any one? I have the new keys but still not working?Help |
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New member Username: Dish_addictPost Number: 9 Registered: May-06 | Hi, please help. I have DN. When I do Menu-Parental Control, it does not give my the Second Pin option. It's vanished. Hence I can't enter the new keys for Key0 and Key1 in nagravision 2. How do I get to see and choose the second pin option. I scanned Echo7Ku (410 programs found), then I scanned Echo 3Ku, but only found 51 programs. After that too, the second pin option has not come. I am new to this. Please help...thanks |
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Bronze Member Username: DespiLondon, Ontario Canada Post Number: 11 Registered: Apr-07 | Thanks guys so much for your help. the 00 line for me was different from yours, I changed mine with the ones you had, and everything is good! Thanks again, Does anyone have any suggestions as to why my bin wasn't loading through my PC? I downloaded the zipped file, entered it into my loader and it kept resending.... thanks again d |
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New member Username: Tomi11Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-07 | Hi, please help. I have a bin for pansat 2500 a autorol thx you. |
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Silver Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 993 Registered: Jul-06 | people, make sure your autoroll is off if you are using an older bin file. Keep key code ON, turn the rest OFF. And if you are sick of entering keys manually i ssuggest that you download the new autoroll bin onto your receiver most of the receivers have their fix, and clone safe files will be out soon |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1001 Registered: Jul-06 | Nasir, Bin is a Bios flash file that has to be loaded onto the receiver, combination of bin and the keys required in order for a receiver to work properly. |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1002 Registered: Jul-06 | Here are the current working keys Nagra2 Keys Dish Provider 0101: Last Updated (April 11 6:00pm EST) Key 0: B8 46 82 2D 29 B6 25 87 8C B1 63 15 24 65 0D 8A Key 1: 53 B1 EC 59 D0 4B C2 17 1C 17 5F DE BF 78 80 8E (Active) Bev Provider 0901: Last Updated (12 Apr '07 3:00 PM EST) Key 0: 8F 59 43 5E BA 5A 14 5E 3C 13 D3 7E 39 4F D5 8B Key 1: 0F 00 39 61 7E A6 E4 22 71 91 92 87 30 D4 88 14(Active) |
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New member Username: Sbarraza2002Post Number: 3 Registered: Mar-07 | working keys D!SH Last Update: 04/11/07 04:35 pm 00: B846822D29B625878CB1631524650D8A 01: 53B15AD5D0FD538C6F195FDEBF78808E B3V Last Update: 04/12/07 04:24 pm 00: 8F59435EBA5A145E3C13D37E394FD58B 01: 0F0039617EA6E4227191928730D48814 |
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New member Username: WalfitPost Number: 1 Registered: Apr-07 | hi by mistake i did my reciever to factory setting so please can any one know how download software in my fortech lifetime ultra |
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Silver Member Username: Thunder_lightningPost Number: 230 Registered: Feb-07 | don't worry the bin still in your box when u do a factory setting...now go back and reconfigure your SAT and Diseqc...and rescan it again...turn autoroll off..enter new keys... |
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Bronze Member Username: RabihPost Number: 17 Registered: Sep-06 | Hello, I need some help to Jtag my receiver. I hooked up the jtag cable to my computer and I lunched the Jkey program. All I got was this message "Error, no responce from jInterface on com1, check connections and retry". Can anybody help me??? |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8776 Registered: Jan-06 | despi..U need to go read for about 20-40 hours..since U have a viewsat, go to BTW...U MUST unzip (extract/open) the .zip file..there could be 10 files inside that .zip file...U need the bin or pgm file inside.. |
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New member Username: WalfitPost Number: 2 Registered: Apr-07 | hi thunder thanks for reply me but when i use new keys after thay show me channel scrumbelld so what i do now |
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Bronze Member Username: LizwakefieldPost Number: 11 Registered: Dec-06 | Hi Can someone give me the current dish keys please thanks |
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Silver Member Username: Eatfish111Post Number: 235 Registered: Dec-06 | liz scroll up the keys have not changed |
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Bronze Member Username: Tupas1Post Number: 21 Registered: Jan-07 | Hi, need help for lifetime ultra reciver. I hve loaded latest keys even though getting scrambled channel message and not able to view any channel. I have 290T file on my receiver right now so do u think that i need 293T file to be loaded on my reveiver then manually enter latest key will solve my problem? Where i can get latest clone free 293T file? |
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Bronze Member Username: RabihPost Number: 18 Registered: Sep-06 | Hello, I need some help to Jtag my receiver. I hooked up the jtag cable to my computer and I lunched the Jkey program. All I got was this message "Error, no responce from jInterface on com1, check connections and retry". Can anybody help me? |
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New member Username: WineskmPost Number: 8 Registered: Oct-06 | Under Parental Control and Nagravision 2 the Left & Right (L&R) arrows won't change the Key from 00 to 01 allowing the keys to be entered. The arrows work in the 0101 provider box but not in the Key box. I can enter the codes but they don't hold. I've check other choices like Nagravision 1 and the arrows keys work. What is keeping them from working in Nagravision 2???? |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1003 Registered: Jul-06 | Rabih Khatib Jtaging a receiver is not so easy, You have to read alot first and have to be experienced with the FTA. Go to the following sites and read first and if you are not experienced with FTA i suggest you get some professional help. Here are the sites: www.dssevolution dot com www.dsscentral dot net www.totalftad dot com www.future-fta dot info |
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Silver Member Username: Albino_midgetPost Number: 493 Registered: Jul-06 | Rabih, "Error, no responce from jInterface on com1, check connections and retry". click ok. click file button on jkeys,then preference and choose parallel port--that will fix the error |
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New member Username: SunnydeolPost Number: 1 Registered: Apr-07 | New codes are working just fine. Only problem I see that my Indian channels are not working. Any suggestions, Please help. Thx. |
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New member Username: WineskmPost Number: 9 Registered: Oct-06 | Please help, wife is going crazy. I've powered cycled the system without change. The Keys field will not toggle 00 to 01 (under Nagravision2 only). PS See Above |
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Silver Member Username: Way2smartCANADAModerator Post Number: 177 Registered: Oct-06 | any new keys |
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Bronze Member Username: RabihPost Number: 19 Registered: Sep-06 | Thank you Albino. I did what you said. Now, I am getting a different message, it says "Error writing trap handler routine" and when I hit "ok" I get this second message "could not initiate DCU trap handler access" ..... does it seem familiar to you??? |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 2366 Registered: Jun-06 | tom pat: Either stick to 288T or 289T and do manual key entry or instal 293T |
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Gold Member Username: NydasPost Number: 2367 Registered: Jun-06 | KmW : If the BIN is uploaded properly, you should, under Nagravision 2, get Provider ID 0101 for DN and Provider ID 0901 for BEV. Keys are entered under this provider ID and you should be able to scroll right left between Key 00 and 01 |
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New member Username: WineskmPost Number: 10 Registered: Oct-06 | Nyda: I show 0101 for DN but Keys comes up with what ever it was on last and won't scroll L/R. |
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Bronze Member Username: PrincePost Number: 34 Registered: Jun-06 | Hi Nadia - I have pansat 2700A. Where can I find the bin file. Thanks |
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Bronze Member Username: WineskmPost Number: 11 Registered: Oct-06 | Nydas: Evidently my BIN is bad. Where do I get and how do I upload the BIN for a Fortec Star Lifetime Ultra? |
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New member Username: Joecap43Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-07 | anyone have the new keys????? |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1005 Registered: Jul-06 | king/KmW You can go to any of the sites below for bin files, you will have to register first(for free ofcourse) and these sites are reputable and known to have good files for years.. Here are the sites: www.dssevolution dot com www.dsscentral dot net www.totalftad dot com www.future-fta dot info Good Luck |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1006 Registered: Jul-06 | joe caporale Visit the following sites for latest keys Dishnet and Bev keys: [link removed] [link removed] |
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New member Username: 101oldmanPost Number: 1 Registered: Apr-07 | I need someones help..i just got a creative works box.......help me i don't know how to change the keys?????? what bottons do i press to change keys???????? can someone please help me..the dummmyyyyyyy that's me..thanks.. |
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Silver Member Username: Albino_midgetPost Number: 494 Registered: Jul-06 | Rabih, never got those messages, and having only done one jtag, i would be guessing. close wall and jkeys and start over-? |
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Bronze Member Username: Aafl_dragonPost Number: 39 Registered: Jun-06 | The same keys on the 11th haven't changed. DISH NETWORK Last Update 04-11-07 4:35PM Key0: B8 46 82 2D 29 B6 25 87 8C B1 63 15 24 65 0D 8A Key1: Active 53 B1 5A D5 D0 FD 53 8C 6F 19 5F DE BF 78 80 8E BELL EXPRESSVU Last Update: 4/12/07 5:28pm Key 0: 8F 59 43 5E BA 5A 14 5E 3C 13 D3 7E 39 4F D5 8B Key 1: Active 0F 00 39 61 7E A6 E4 22 71 91 92 87 30 D4 88 14 Bell ExpressVu Playb*y 0905 (Last Update: 3/15/07 10:01 AM) 86: B7 2F 03 35 70 4A CD B0 6D 43 33 59 92 E2 1D F3 96: D5 51 BA FE 58 50 BE 61 A4 BD 09 F3 54 4F C5 FC Bell ExpressVu HD 0906 (Last Update: 3/18/07 10:17 AM) 86: 8D 1A 1C F4 2C B9 7F 85 38 65 D6 7A 5D 59 5D 88 96: 11 FE 27 1D 89 9E D3 B4 DB 8E CB C8 10 D3 E7 F7 CAS Line Code Info Cools*t: KEY Line 10 and 11 are for Idea Key 0 and Line 20 and 21 are for Idea Key 1 Pansat: key 00 for Idea Key 0 and Key 01 for Idea key 1 Viewsat: line 08 and 09 for Idea Key 0 and lines 88 and 89 for Idea key 1 For Receivers with only two Key Lines, Enter Active Idea Key into 00 and 01 Last edited by jcghound : Yesterday at 05:19 PM. Reason: key change Thanks |
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Bronze Member Username: SlimmazPost Number: 14 Registered: Jun-06 | need some please have a pansat 2700e try to enter second pin 0000 but will no acceptsome time ago a friend gave me a 4 digit number he said it would open any pansat anybody can help |
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Silver Member Username: Thunder_lightningPost Number: 236 Registered: Feb-07 | Lelicia try this codes.. Pansat...: 1668, 1010 |
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New member Username: AhmarmPost Number: 1 Registered: Apr-07 | I believe the DN keys are changed again... can anyone please confirm? and can post the new keys? Thanks in advance |
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Silver Member Username: Thunder_lightningPost Number: 237 Registered: Feb-07 | Ahmar Mohammad confirm still same ol keys.. [link removed] |
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New member Username: ShhhPost Number: 10 Registered: Feb-07 | Please some one help. My Fortec Life Time Classic NA is still down. I have tried new keys. Still no good. Should I turn off auto roll? If yes, how you do this. I can not see this function in my box. Help Please |
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New member Username: AhmarmPost Number: 2 Registered: Apr-07 | yes I have confirmed the keys from various sites (including [link removed])... but still have the blank screen... with full signal strength. I had updated the keys 2 days ago when they were changed... but getting incorrect hash message again today |
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New member Username: AhmarmPost Number: 3 Registered: Apr-07 | Sorry... user error... i had accidently turned vplug off in ProgDVB. Everything fine now |
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New member Username: Tomi11Post Number: 2 Registered: Apr-07 | Hi Nadia - I have pansat 2500A. Where can I find the bin file. Thanks |
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Silver Member Username: Thunder_lightningPost Number: 238 Registered: Feb-07 | Sites: |
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Bronze Member Username: ShhhPost Number: 11 Registered: Feb-07 | Hi Guys Someone please help.Is there any new BIN for Fortec Classic NA available yet? If not at least some one like Gold members  tell me please as I am new in this! |
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Bronze Member Username: ShhhPost Number: 12 Registered: Feb-07 | Hi Guys Someone please help.Is there any new BIN for Fortec Classic NA available yet? If not at least some one like a Gold Member  tell me please as I am new in this! |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1008 Registered: Jul-06 | well 293T is the latest one that came out yesterday |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1009 Registered: Jul-06 | and it can be found on most of the reputable dss sites such as dssevolution dot com totalfta dot com dssrookie dot com |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1010 Registered: Jul-06 | here are the latest keys anyways Dish Network (Last Update: 2007/04/11 4:17 PM PDT) 86: B8 46 82 2D 29 B6 25 87 8C B1 63 15 24 65 0D 8A 96: 53 B1 5A D5 D0 FD 53 8C 6F 19 5F DE BF 78 80 8E Bell ExpressVu (Last Update: 2007/04/12 3:38 PM PDT) 86: 8F 59 43 5E BA 5A 14 5E 3C 13 D3 7E 39 4F D5 8B 96: 0F 00 39 61 7E A6 E4 22 71 91 92 87 30 D4 88 14 |
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Silver Member Username: AanaaPost Number: 175 Registered: Mar-05 | bin 293T works Ok for autoroll but when you press""last"" sometime it frezes anyone else had the same experience or only me? |
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Gold Member Username: Dude123Post Number: 1011 Registered: Jul-06 | yes i heared the same problems with some other users aswell, it might just be a little bug that would be fixed in the next fix |
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New member Username: SherSt anne de bellevue, Quebec Canada Post Number: 5 Registered: Apr-07 | Hi guys: I have a Ariza dish receiver 700. I cannot go beyond the Parental Control to change keys since there is no second pin option there. Instead of second pin option there is a menu lock off/on option. Could somebody help me? |
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New member Username: AjockeyPost Number: 3 Registered: Apr-07 | hi guys my satellite was working perfect in vancouver canada, then i moved to new mexico , now i only have couple of ppv , no vod, no sports, few regular cable channels. i used to have 110 and 119 dish now 0nly few 119. my box is pantec. any ideas ? how to fix problem ? |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8802 Registered: Jan-06 | 293T is for a Fortec Ultra, NOT the Classic!...the Classic rarely has bins available.. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8803 Registered: Jan-06 | george...use these, then align the dish or hire some locals to do it for you.. Satellite Finders (Look Angle Calculators) ------------------------------------------------- [link removed] http://www3.telus.net/rampage/skew.htm (Dish 500 support) http://www.remotesat.com/lookangle.htm |
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New member Username: SpooksterPost Number: 1 Registered: Apr-07 | viewsat plt any new fixes as my keys never last and many freeze ups but sound still comes thru on channels |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8805 Registered: Jan-06 | |
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New member Username: SpooksterPost Number: 2 Registered: Apr-07 | sorry or if anyone has any other ideas i just moved and hooked up to existing dish with my reciever and it seemed to work maybe i am not aligned to right satelite or just not strong enough any help or ideas appreciated |
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Bronze Member Username: RabihPost Number: 20 Registered: Sep-06 | Hello. Can anyone e-mail me the jkeys.exe program please. my e-mail is rabihkhatib at hotmail dot com |
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New member Username: WalfitPost Number: 3 Registered: Apr-07 | hi guys can any one let me know how check which bin in my fortech lifetime ultra |
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Silver Member Username: Thunder_lightningPost Number: 251 Registered: Feb-07 | kashif....here check it out.. |
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Bronze Member Username: LololPost Number: 73 Registered: Sep-06 | Don't fortecs and pansat 2500 clones use the same bin files? is that right? any body please? |
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Silver Member Username: Thunder_lightningPost Number: 252 Registered: Feb-07 | Yuh it the same as a Pansat clone 2500a... |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8811 Registered: Jan-06 | NO!!!...fortecs and pansat 2500 clones use the same bin files is NOT true statemnet...ONLY the Fortec Lifetime Ultra (FLU) and Pansat 2500 clones use the same bin, but Fortec makes (old Lifetimes, Mercury , Classic NA, etc) many other receivers which do NOT use Pansat 2500 clone buins.. |
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