BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq's High Tribunal on Sunday found Saddam Hussein guilty of crimes against humanity and sentenced him to hang for the 1982 killing of 148 Shiites in the city of Dujail. The visibly shaken former leader shouted "God is great!"
Saddam's half brother and former intelligence chief Barzan Ibrahim, and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, head of the former Revolutionary Court, were sentenced to join Saddam on the gallows for the Dujail killings after an unsuccessful assassination attempt during a Saddam visit to the city 35 miles north of Baghdad.
The death sentences automatically go to a nine-judge appeals panel which as unlimited time to review the case. If the verdicts and sentences are upheld, the executions must be carried out within 30 days.
Chief prosecutor Jaafar al-Moussawi told reporters that the Anfal trial now in progress for Saddam and others alleged role in gassing and killing Kurds would continue while the appeals process is underway. But if the appellate judges uphold the death sentence, the Anfal proceedings and other cases would be halted and Saddam hanged.
Al-Moussawi said Saddam would be hanged if the sentence were upheld, despite his demand that he be shot by a firing squad.
A court official told The Associated Press that the appeals process was likely to take three to four weeks once the formal paperwork was submitted
Saddist basta*rds...LMAO...would U really want to watch somebodys death, regardless of whom....I seen enuff with my 30 years in the military...maybe u never have witnessed an actual death..I'm no Saddam fan, but surely don't need to actually view his death...I'd rather watch sports, history, po*rn or anything other than actual death ...I see no pleasure or gratification from that..
BTW...I know a couple guys in the US, who I believe to be responsible for 2300 Americans death, and many more Iraqi's than Hussein...I bet U wouldn't want to view his/their deaths!
Also, George W won't allow the showing and REALITY of coffins returning, so why would he allow actual death viewing...that would be VERY hypercrital...but then again, with George W, anything is possible!...and of course we have no censorship in the US..
I retired at 47, a few years ago..I have sons 29 and 27...I'm not an old basta*rd at heart or physically, nor immature mentally...I still ride, physical activities, party, and act 25..I hang with my sons and their buds when I see them...we play B ball, party etc , but they all do call me "pops" ..LOL
LK, I sent you a PM but you didn't reply.:-( Anyway, you've probably explained this before and you might be really tired of repeating yourself but you did help me last time which was very nice of you and I'm greatful. I just have a small issue. I have the Pansat 2500 clone and I loaded bin: X-85BL_061011_281T_db_api(N).bin It's autorolling perfectly fine and everything works well. Just that a couple of channels like National Geographic channel aren't working, despite perfect signal strength. I did blind scan for that particular dish and still nothing. Any assistance would be much appreciated. Thanks very much for your time.
He's not helping in private PM either, nor in 'November Keys' nor in 'New Keys' threads, where I posted the same question. Which is unfortunate because he's so intelligent and has helped me before Oh well. Cheerio!
If I start another thread asking this question, he'll make a cheeky comment like "Open your eyes and Read!" Heh! And reading is all I've been doing on this board for the past couple of hours, hunting for a solution. Makes it even more difficult when I'm borrowing somebody else's terminal.
Ranjeet..I am NOT the ONLY person here...others can help U, there are some that are capable ....your problem is no biggie, that others haven't experienced, read about, and corrected...and I usually DELETE ALL my PM's...
here what I will say about your problem...do a factory default using the menu, blind scan, upload 284T bin, shut off your auto TP updater, lets keys autoroll, and reset the receiver with back switch...now that WILL work!...so no more questions...and what I just said is posted by many others too!...and if U don't know how to do these VERY simple tasks, then I will say READ the many Pansat setup guides and nmanuals posted at EVERY site..most tasks on clones are performed the same way as the real Pansat 2500...
Now NO more Hijacking this or ANY other thread or PM's to me..
READING is NOT "cheeky", it is LEARNING, and how to do things ...and not begging for help everytime your receiver f*arts!
"Why do we kill people who kill people, to show people that killing people is wrong?"
It is always a loss for humanity when we decide to put a human being to death. There aren't too many people who will argue that Saddam is not a bad guy -- he is. And, if allowed to be free, surely many more people would die at his hands.
But the whole world is watching....and unlike our North American media, the rest of the world gets to hear what Saddam is countering with in his defense. Leading world intellectuals had always noted that Saddam would point his finger to the complicit West when confronted with charges of crimes against humanity. The assistance to gas the Kurds, the assistance with mass executions of the Shiites etc....
We cannot celebrate his downfall while we wipe the blood of many Iraqis from our hands.
Shiites will be glad to see Saddam go, he was their enemy. But Shiites also know that Saddam had help in carrying out these atrocities, and so do the Kurds. The former U.S. Attorney General, Ramsey Clark, a man consumed with getting the truth out to the American people, has been over there trying everything to get the North American media to report the truths in this case to the American public. But our media are lapdogs of the Whitehouse, and instead revert to ad hominem attacks on Clarke, calling him "liberal" or a sympathizer.
This decision may help Republicans at the polls, but the fact that this will always be perceived (rightly) by many as a U.S. instituted decision will undoubtedly leave a sour taste in the mouths of Middle-Eastern people, as well as the collective world for a long time to come. It's not a good day for the U.S. and it is not good news for those interested in the longer term security of the United States.
There is a reason Saddam is being tried in Iraq, and not in the World Court. This is the question that people in the West need to ask themselves -- why is he not being tried at the World Court in The Hague? The answer has everything to do with the news out of Iraq today.
George W and his administration needlessly sent our sons and daughters there...did people forget our ONLY purpose there was "alleged" WMD... and did people forget that is was Bin Laden, mostly Saudi's personnel, along with Afghanistan Taliban and Pakistanian people support, that attacked the US, NOT Hussein!... I have been there once and my son twice..me in 1992, for a valid reason (Kuwait invasion)...this is another war like Nam (been there too), with NO true purpose...Saddam was a ruthless dictator, but many governments have them (Cuba, North Korea, many African nations etc)...we don't go attacking them and cheering for TV viewing of their deaths...we ONLY have 30k troops in Afghanistan where Bin laden and his supporters are, but have 130K in Iraq (approximate), I see no sense in that or our past actions...I do not blindly follow because someone is an 'alleged" leader (who by the way stole the election) and was AWOL for 8 months while in the Air Nationa Guard as a 1 weekend a month GI...I love and support our troops but NOT our leaders!
I understand George W's reasoning..all political...regarding coffins and the hanging viewings...he's an idiot, who starts shi*t for no reason, then can't do it and fight for himself (again AWOL), sends others to fight and die for his BS, and then says "Boys U are just wonderful, and the "WAR IS OVER" (remember that too on the carrier...I wanted to puke)...now 5 years later , he still is an idiot DOING NOTHING, and talking shi*t about how we are progressing as more die because of this idiot!..how can anybody actually buy into his BS!...the troops have no choice, and do not want to believe their deaths could be in vain...and neither do their parents, friends and neighbors...but its time for a REALITY check!
BTW...notice how this verdict is announced RIGHT before election day here..but of course the Iraqi has their own government now and without ANY US interference, especially from George W...LMAO...just how naive are the people of the world and especially the US to buy into this BS..
U know politics are the same as jokes...its all about TIMING and the BS coming out ot their mouths..
Ur right LK.... the most frustrating part about watching U.S. politics as an outsider, is that the Dems can't get their collective a/sses together.
That latest Kerry incident is an example. In the interests of her future bid for the Presidency, Hillary Clinton chooses to pile on & distance herself from Kerry instead of being upfront and honest.
She and others could have shown "balls" and stood up for truth, reason, and common sense, and instead she catered to this "center". Her husband is right! Democrats seemingly have to talk from the "center" to have a chance at the Presidency....
But my feeling is that American people are getting tired of self-interested politicians. Are there not any politicians around who will talk straight & stand up for the people?
From a bird's eye view, and as a follower of U.S. culture/news, I see the North American people as being purposely misinformed about the world. It sickens me that political leaders don't choose to abolish this culture of lies...
The truth is that if most Americans knew what was really happening out there, they would march to the Whitehouse and grab these crooks. They would then march to the Hill, and do the same there. The laws would change to reflect the well-being of the citizens, and the Middle East, South America, Central America etc, would get an apology. Now that's what John Lennon was talking about!
If America was really the leader, we would follow suit here, and the Brits would do the same there.
U.S. foreign policy for dummies: Right wing dictator = good Left Wing democracy/dictator = bad * give taxpayer money to support right wing dictator. *take taxpayer money to overthrow left wing government.
PS: Did u know that most Americans still believe that the U.S. joined World War II because Hitler (right wing) was evil? In fact, it was the Soviet offensive (lefties coming) and the attack at Pearl Harbour that finally got the congress moving. Capital Hill records still show how those debates played out....some were actually suggesting that Adolf was a man that could be trusted, and that Wall Street was standing behind him.
Similarly, the west was perfectly ok with bin laden (giving him money/resources) while he was fighting the Soviets. But it wasn't ever really the lefties that the U.S. needed to fear, was it?
I am praying for our guys in Iraq. There is no one reason to be there, anymore. We should move out and save hundredths of young Americans. Iraqi could fight for their freedom themselves. We always had our freedom; we not need to be there. We caught Sadam long time ago. It was the best time to move out from Iraq and save thousands of people. But, we didn't. Why? Did we ever have a reason to be there? LK for president!
If u still buy into this "fighting for ur freedom" bs, then we need 2 talk.
Vietnamese were never a direct threat to the West...maybe one could argue that Vietnam was a threat to the geopolitical strategies of Capitalists vs Communists, but never a direct threat to the populations of the West. Neither was Panama, Nicaragua, Chile, Venezuela, Grenada and Iraq, to name a very, very few.
If u live in another country and ur people choose to elect a government who's ideology is not in the interest of Washington, then there is a very good chance the C.I.A. will be in there to gather data for future recourse. This is not new, and the whole world understands it.
You/We fight for Capitalism, and for the interests of the capitalists. We fight 2 overtake the resources that belong to others. Then our rich guys can make more money. Osama bin Laden is a wealthy as/shole too. And this is a fight for control of turf and resources....not unlike the mafia strategies or the street gangs of inner cities.
this has always been the case. Imperialism is modern-day colonialism. If u wanna make the case that fighting for the capitalists is the same thing as fighting for our freedoms, than u'd be defending a very conservative principle - one that goes back further than even social darwinists like to argue.
Remember that once we've finished taking everything from the soil, the only options left (history has shown us) is to look at the human resources: slavery, minimum wages, longer work hours, less breaks, less rights in general - it's all fair in this laissez faire world .....
Politics = ur voice...u decide where u want to draw the line, and just how much ur willing to take. But when there is no more "over there" to steal from, the crosshairs will be directed at u - u become the target...u become the inevitable resource that needs to be exploited for economic gain.
The real fight for freedom, for all nations, begins at home. Much like a soldier needs to rely on his tools, we need to sharpen our minds. Thinking critically about the talking points they want/need us to absorb is a start.
LOL..Condoleeza might get shoot in the face too..let have Bush with them too..the three Amigos going on the hunting trip..1 standing and the other 2 right in face by Cheney..lol
you guys sound like human shield prospects,hey maybe you could start a human shield union....bet that sounds like fun to ya eh,eh,eh....hug em till they hug back ....are we there yet daddy....sheesh
Oh U mean Condoleeza Rice, the traitor to her own heritage and all US citizens, who wants to be the next commissioner of the NFL!...I think she's really Monica Lewinski using Michael Jacksons's plastic surgeons, her and George W have something going on...and she is his "token", Colin Powell got sick of it and was much smarter than that!
i think the meds are kickin in now,so its warm milk and cookies and off to bed fer some leftie fantasy time....nite nite LK...sweet dreams...it doesn't really take all kinds,we just apparently have all kinds is all....
Oh U are one of those " The commies are paddling their canoes up the river" type, we must stop them...and "Better Dead than Red" types from the anti 60-70's..and I know U just love Fox news and Rush, the hypecritical druggie!...obviously U are not a free thinker and a follower, and believe whatever the "powers to be" tell U..
see, I trust no one, but myself...and look at ALL sides of evrything , THEN make an intelligent decision..I am not a sheep going to slaughter blind folded...the Lord was nice enuff to give me a brain of my own, so I use it...I don't need to follow somebody else's thinking, just cause they said so!...too many people don't think for themselves, and their heads are ONLY a "hat rack"..
Differences are OK, if based upon intelligent logistical and historical facts...otherwise they are just useless words..
"watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, liberal, fanatical, criminal" - Supertramp
Betteroffred <---- what irony!
In Canada, red is associated with liberals...lol. I agree with u then, we are better off red.
And, what exactly is wrong with being considered "left" anyway?
If i was living under a Soviet communism, i'd probs be fighting for the right to civil liberties and an open market.
But we don't, we live in a very right-wing system. And it's the injustices of the right-wingers that we should be scared of -- that are an impediment on our civil liberties.
Heck, they're scaring their own!
It's lefties who fight\fought 4: minimum wages, women's rights, equal rights, worker's rights, human rights, environmental protection, affordable education & free universal medical care, 2 name just a very few.
Ur from Saskatchewan!! Wow, i would have assumed u'd know more about this.
I'll stick with the left, thanks. I prefer logic, reason, and truth over greed, lies, fear mongering & hate for otherness.
me thinks you assume a lil much...nothings wrong wit bein a lil bit left as long as ya know when to stop.and bein from sask has shown me how uncool it is...lets go one step at a time shall we....our min wage is higher than alberta-who has more jobs and a higher standard of living?....we can stop wit the rights issue anytime i think or we'll be like monty pythons robin hood....the left doesn't seem to know when enough is lots.with rights comes responsibilities,talk about fearmongering and greed....more more more its my right.....did you know sask has the worst environmental record goin,check it out......well they dont charge ya ta be on the waiting list at least,but half of my tax dollars pay the premiums fer my freeeeee medical care.....and you prefer logic do ya now,reason and truth ,i c
fearmongering....jez,weren't those PCs gonna destroy canada as we know it....hate fer others....i just feel sorry fer ya i don't hate ya...but not to fear we'll protect you too
u sound like that one hold-out trying to explain why it was better to obey the slave master. The hold-out who didn't like rustling feathers, the hold-out who figured so long as he was fed, it was enough.
While everyone else is arguing the principle, u are suggesting life sure is a lot better under the master's thumb.
"the left doesn't seem to know when enough is lots" ..... i suggest u look at my post above - (u decide where u want to draw the line, and just how much ur willing to take). Democracy is what u make of it.
But, it's always baffling to me that right-wingers are content with the status quo; always critical of those who push for progress - and making little note of the rights that we have won for everyone over our history.
And, am i reading this right? We should know when enough rights is lots??? For real??? It's like saying: we should stop asking for so many freedoms..
Let's not kid anyone here, Alberta is a wealthy province today due to its oil revenues, and that economy has been built around it. Even Karl Marx could make Alberta's economy function beautifully if given all those riches to begin with. It's like saying Paris Hilton is doing better than most of us, so she must be doing things "better" - obviously a logical fallacy here.
If Saskatchewan, needs to clean up its environment, then it SHOULD clean up its environment. But i don't see how that should be a criticism of left-wingers. It's usually conservative types who like to bend over for the corporate polluters, not the left. ANyway, it depends what u mean by "environment" because Alberta is the top when it comes to Canada's biggest air polluters.
I believe u may be referring to the Saskatchewan Power Corporation's awful emmissions. But i suggest u look here: http://www.pollutionwatch*org/pressroom/releases/20061011.jsp
Actually, the PC's no longer exist on the federal level. Oddly enough the new Conservative Party decided to do without the word "progressive" in their title....hmmm what does that tell u?
"Destroying Canada as we know it"....Canadian academics and (even world academics) say Canada lost much of its glitter due to the Mulroney Conservatives of the eighties.
Surely Canadians will recall it was Mulroney's government who redirected medical funding to the richer researchers and administartors.
THAT is why our health care system has been crippled. Anyone who is old enough to remember the seventies and early eighties, will recall how efficient the system was at that time...no waiting times in emergency rooms, for example.
The Canadian right-wing think tanks have always cried that investors were going to "miss out" on the baby-boomer aging goldrush because of our "socialized" health care system. Ever since then, the Cons have been trying to worsen the system - hoping Canadians would consider the privatization option.
BTW, Harper isn't finished yet...in fact, his hand his still tied up (minority gov), and if we are to believe what he has written and said in the past, he WILL change Canada as we know it, if he gets the chance.
the slave master,good grief what would the lids say....i sould like,its as if i,.....thats lefty rhetoric yer spoutin.....i'll tell ya what,some of those rights i dont need.....you actually are not even close to understanding where i am cummin from..but like i said earlier don't let the facts get in the way....its just that i've seen so much lefty drivel around this place perhaps its gettin to me..the hold out seems to be rustlin yer feathers,no....i'm much more than fed,but its in spite of the politics in this place not because of em...while everyone else...hey i thought it was you and ME here....democracy is a right wing thing is it not....oh i suppose the euopeans have a kind of democracy,and when the goin gets tough they can always go to the americans to bail em out....status quo,round here it would be you,are ya content yet...dont call me content.....so many hard earned freedoms,like banding together with a bunch of yer union bros and demanding more than yer worth,thats a freedom that has just about reached its limit,thats status quo in canada...whose content wit that ,you or me....were getting a lil off track here and i'm at work so please fergive my tardy replies but ....its not the reasourses that make alberta wealthy its the politics...and its the politics thats drivin this place and others into the ground
"leftie rhetoric" -- if that's what u wanna call demanding accountability from those who drive our country...
"you actually are not even close to understanding where i am cummin from" -- enlighten me in English then.
"democracy is a right wing thing is it not..." --Well, now i see ur true colours.
"....oh i suppose the euopeans have a kind of democracy,and when the goin gets tough they can always go to the americans to bail em out" -- give me an example.
"so many hard earned freedoms,like banding together with a bunch of yer union bros and demanding more than yer worth,thats a freedom that has just about reached its limit,thats status quo in canada...whose content wit that ,you or me" -- Well, i hear this one all the time....where is ur voice while insurance comapnies "unite" to fu/ck us? (Insurance Bureau of Canada). What about the Fraser Institute? Are they not a "union" as well. But that's ok because they are not workers - they are well-intentioned business guys...lol
"Its not the reasourses that make alberta wealthy its the politics" <---Conservative talking point. Everybody knows Alberta owes its wealth to its oil and gas industries...even Ralph Klein says that all the time when he pushes for tax cuts for them.
"its the politics thats drivin this place and others into the ground" -- Obviously it's not the politics, it's the lack of knowledge, and this right-wing rhetoric that messes up the brain.
canadian multcultuarism is gonna do away with itself,it doesnt work very well as the germans,french,brits are finding out now,lefties all....academics of course wouldn't have much good to say about the ole consevatives,lefties all....canada as we know it,hmmmm lets see.....liberals takin monies that isnt theirs,indian chiefs running lil bannana republics.....the french,cant say too much about the french,blackmail comes to mind....pearsons peacekeeper falicy....underproductive union drivin manufacturing....falling standard of living....ah yes canada as we know it...shall i go on?
but i must say that i admire you inso far as you are really really a leftie,and not one of those liberal guys whos colors change according to the latest poll..
YOU:"canadian multcultuarism is gonna do away with itself" ME:----- WHAT are u talkin about! We seem to be getting along quite well. The French/English feud is the only threat to our national peace. It's been a dispute as old as the country and has nothing to do with our multicultural policies. In fact, i think many would agree that multiculturals will serve the country well should the English/French feuding get out of hand.
YOU: "doesnt work very well as the germans,french,brits are finding out" ME:-- Again, What are u talking about?? The riots that broke out there, happened because of the conditions they were living under. It can and has happen in any place where a class of people begin to feel oppressed - yes, the neo-fascists in Germany don't help matters there. But that's not an argument against multiculturalism. That sounds like an argument against extreme forms of conservatism.
You:"liberals takin monies that isnt theirs,indian chiefs running lil bannana republics" Me: -- Right, let's go over how many conflicts of interest scandals under the Mulroney Conservatives...hmmm: Sinclair Stevens, Mulroney kickbacks to Airbus, Brian McInnis -Grant Bristow Affair....the list is much worse. And the latest liberal matter was, at least, for a cause: tryin to keep Canada united. As opposed to Mulroney's self-interests. It's like comparing Clinton's lies of an affair to the lies of George W. Bush - Completely different scale of severity.
You "underproductive union drivin manufacturing.. falling standard of living." Me: Canada enjoyed up intil now one of the most robust economies in the world. Like i've said before, it's the uniting of corporate interests against u, that is ur biggest threat to ur standard of living.
You: "shall i go on" Me: Please do, I'm still waiting for u to show me some facts/answers as opposed to repeating right-wing rhetoric...i can hear that crap on talk radio all day. But none of these propagandists have much of a point. Like i said they spread hate, fear, and misinform the public.
PS: I don't blame u for how u think... i blame the jerks who corrupt ur head with this crap.
What's that you say? Hussein sentenced to death?? It would be very interesting to see how Iraq would be right now had Saddam not make the blunder of invading Kuwait in the first place. Regardless, we should never have invaded Iraq.
Played Risk a thousand times..we already have military bases and staging areas strategically placed...and WRM (war readiness materials ) buried, hidden, and in place throughout the world, and for many years too..Iraq is NOT needed, but of course it wouldn't hurt...I believe big business, OIL and daddy's revenge to be the main motivation for us in Iraq..and George W is a puppet of others, but still doesn't realize it..I think he actually believes in what he has done and still is doing... he never has been a smart man..
Official policy of attacking possible future competitors first, assuming regional hegemony by force of arms, controlling energy resources around the globe, & maintaining a permanent-war strategy have been part of the policy strategy as written by PNAC members, and also included in the National Security Strategy of the United States (2002).
Look it up!
Also, look up PNAC and their long standing policy directives.....The members include many of the Bush Administration, including Wolfowitz, and Don Rumsfeld.
U can download this still....here is Rumsfeld talking about how they can convince the American public about these new policies, including getting into the Middle East: "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor." (2000) NOTICE DATE - WRITTEN BEFORE 911
Look this up as well if u care to be really amazed. No conspiracy theories here...just modern day neo-con imperialism.
Ever wondered why people in South America are pissed off at the North - take Chile for example...Pinochet was a Nixon/Carter/Reagan puppet....
Thousands died/disappeared - some say hundreds of thousands!!
Google this: "make the economy scream"
The simple truth is that if anyone dare to ELECT leftists in the hemisphere or in American interest areas, then they are on notice..... ask Central Americans, ask Nicaragua...remember oliver north??
One can hardly say this is fighting for "freedom". Unless we're talking about the elite's "freedom" to exploit.
Ever wonder why Castro has so many supporters, given that he IS a dictator? Well, let's look at a short history of Cuba - who (dictator) was there before him - and who supported him - and who had the most to lose from the rise of the Castro regime....
People have to wake up and disregard the lies they've been told forever now.... and challenge them on them, or we are all finished. To he/ll with meaningless slogans like "my country, right or wrong", or patriotic gibberish -
Stand up for HUMANITY instead, that's what a true hero is about.
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly!..as we all know Ollie North was the "fall" guy...there is no LT Col in the world that has or had the "alleged" powers he did....the public is given some peanuts and crackerjacks, and are happy and buy into whatever else is fed them, like puppets on a string, and cattle on way to the slaughter....there are strong, forceful, wealthy, "influences" with "ulterior motives" behind what really is happening throughout the world..
I wonder if bush and his crownee's wound break there cover/up if/when they were tried/sued in world court in the hague? Now THAT would be TV!Reality is beter than fiction.
well yer lil appraisal of me is not even close but hey why let the facts get in the way of a good ole leftie rave
