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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 47 Registered: Jun-06 | Ok guys, after talking to a lot of people in different threads there seems to be a lot of interest in helping out with the coding of new bins. This is good news since we need to have as many brains working on this as possible. Also it's good to have new fresh ideas to beat this thing. Anyone who is interested say ay! and give a few lines of what you can contribute with. If there is enough interest I will set up a homepage for the openFTA project so we can get organized. Anyone is welcome to participate but we need people with skills in the following areas: * Hardware (how to fiddle with the eproms, scan cards etc) * Assembler (yes this will be the BIG workhorse) * BasicH (from what I have read this is the language the bins are written in, correct me if I'm wrong) * A good C programmer is always good * Encryption * Public relations (yes we need people with CONTACTS, preferably within DN. Attention hotties like Lucia, this is your area. Go date a few DN coders  * People with experience (yes you don't have to be a coder but rater give input from what history has proven, from the first ECM) I can bring to the table the following: * C and most low/high level languages * A bit of Assembler * Encryption (I have written a DES encrypter from the pure spec) * I can be responsable for the homepage of the project Hope to hear from ya, and please no BS in this thread. |
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Bronze Member Username: MomenaliPost Number: 94 Registered: Jan-06 | I'am down with that. ;-) |
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Gold Member Username: Maple_leafPost Number: 1495 Registered: Apr-05 | You have got to be kidding.!!!!!!!!!! We have guys with more knowledge in their thumb than you'll get from this forum. The designers of the FTAs and tens of thousands of dollars are all working on this. And you're going to set up a home page with help from here? You need to get a brain scan. lmao |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 48 Registered: Jun-06 | Maple, it has to start somewhere. Just because there is a lot of poopheads here doesn't mean there isn't any smart people around. Remember that the guys who broke the DVD decryption wasn't any paid off hardware gurus but hobbyists like you and me. Have faith. |
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Gold Member Username: Maple_leafPost Number: 1499 Registered: Apr-05 | Hey Ben, I'm not a hobbyist. I'm one of them guys you're looking for. But me and the others already have jobs. The fix is well underway. When one is stable it'll be released and will spread through the net and these sites like wildfire. Some guys are trying to make money off of it already. But hey...go for it. I wish you luck. |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 49 Registered: Jun-06 | I have a job too Maple. This project isn't ment to be a full time job, rather something you do on your freetime for fun, and you might learn a few things too. If you can spend your time on this forum you might as well spend a couple of hours hacking a bin or writing a doc on FTA receivers. Now I need more voulanteers goddamnit! Uncle Sam needs YOU! |
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Silver Member Username: HamtecPost Number: 552 Registered: Jun-04 | I don't know what help I can be But I would be intersted in the project for the learning part of the project to gain more knowledge. |
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Bronze Member Username: Dish_newbie_hoonPost Number: 86 Registered: Jun-06 | You can count me in... although I must say I have next-to-zero level knowledge about BIN file architecture (and the likes). However, I do have 5+ years of industry experience in C/C++/managed code (.NET). If I can get on track with what the requirements are (i.e. what parts of the BIN file[s] that we need to fix/re-code), then I can hopefully contribute solidly towards this effort... |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 225 Registered: Apr-06 | Ben, I can help out as well. I had a background in electronics (control systems, measurement systems, mainly) but I currently work as a Network Admin (specializing in security). I've only recently started DSS hobby (about 4-5 months now) but I'm learning quickly and am willing to learn more. I also have high-level (C, Visual Basic) and low-level (some assembler, chip programming) experience. |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 51 Registered: Jun-06 | Nice. I need a few more application, then I start hacking on the web page. |
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Bronze Member Username: Agms10Post Number: 36 Registered: Sep-05 | I can make coffee! haha, just kidding. |
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New member Username: DrcucuHondo, La U.s.a Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-06 | iam in 100%, iam from the old guard, but i can help. to star with ,we will need some softwares like ida pro,and some more info... just tell me when and how,working with assembly languages for almost 1 years. |
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Bronze Member Username: Rufa33Post Number: 33 Registered: Jun-06 | Good suggestion Ben, go for it. I did the analog systems, blastic card, EPROM, etc. and can help with correcting the codes not programming process itself, have no time for it. Let us know how .. For sure there are other people interesting to join. Maple, we have been patiently waiting. We want to help too if we can, as there is no TV to watch. |
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Bronze Member Username: RikarddoPost Number: 41 Registered: Mar-06 | well i'm good at assembling stufff. i have like working with electronics. i'm not a especialist in it but i do a good job i've worked in a electronic shopp for 4 months now so if i'm good good for anything...... |
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New member Username: NplistenerPost Number: 4 Registered: Jun-06 | agms10! if you make coffee, let me know, I'll send some sugar ... to your ... email. Well, I have no idea about assembly or decoding and stuff alike, only some courses in programing which were like ... 5 years ago. But I'm willing to spend time making up new ideas if you're interested. Sometimes, a person with no knowledge at all might question things that experts ignore or forget to think of. One for All, and All for One ... working bin file. |
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Silver Member Username: Dafee99Post Number: 166 Registered: Apr-06 | what is this... TESTERS GONE WILD??? this so freaking hilarious.. LMAOO (sh*t, even tears came out of my eyes as i couldnt control my laughter) what the heck,, Im in. |
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New member Username: ShakePost Number: 1 Registered: Jun-06 | I have a couple of Q's and also in! I think your gonna need source code, do u have that? which brings me to my next Q, which box, because they are compiled with diff source! are u gonna send those who are in, a msg with your contact on it? Also do u have a stream logger or know where to get the one u need? Maybe some one here can put up some links or files. Lazer Scope my but, now theres something to laugh about. If I were the only one in the world who knew how to fix something, and got paid big for it, do u think for a min. I would teach every1? |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 234 Registered: Apr-06 | I'm assuming we would write our own source code. Platform (I'm assuming again) would be a PC with a satellite card and a HD video card. For a stream logger we could use kryptologger (can get that off of bit torrent sites). I also believe the PC would have to have a card reader for a ROM102 as we can't dump the MAP. Just some thoughts... |
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New member Username: 1040steelPost Number: 2 Registered: Jun-06 | Hey Ben, Its a good idea... My background is Electronics/Mechanical. I have extensive experience in C/C++ programming and I know Assembly language as well. Let me know if you need help. |
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Bronze Member Username: WaydownPost Number: 44 Registered: Jun-06 | Ben, I would try to help;old school here,15 yrs with c-band,5 yrs Ku-band,1986 to present,cards, eproms,emulation,etc. |
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Bronze Member Username: RadamesPonce, Puerto Rico Post Number: 38 Registered: Jun-06 | Ben I would like help. I have a degree of Electronic Engenier and Actual I studies Master Degree in Aplied Mathematic. My Email is Bracero_radames@yahoo.com |
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New member Username: JosharmourPost Number: 7 Registered: Jun-06 | I can help too, I have a good internet connection for hosting - work at an isp. josharmour@charter.net |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 57 Registered: Jun-06 | Hello guys and thanks for all the interest. I think we have enough peeps with skills already to get this project going. I'll start working on the hompage right away! I'll let you know when there is a beta version up and running. PS. When we release the bin before the other guys - champagne is on me. |
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New member Username: NileshdalalPost Number: 2 Registered: Jul-06 | Hi! I like to join here because I want to learn this thing. looks like it's fun. I don't know how much i can help here. I have good experience with basic C, C++,C#,.Net,COM,DCOM etc. Anyway I m preety much with u guys. |
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Bronze Member Username: DjsmithPost Number: 13 Registered: Jul-06 | ay! I am not a code writer. I don't know anything about making new bins . I can how ever test new bins >>>>crash test bummy here<<<<<<< at your servous P.S. I can however fix computers. So no fear of lossing that to FTA. |
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Bronze Member Username: Alienloco666Sunrise, Florida USA Post Number: 15 Registered: Jun-06 | I know C and C++ and I did some fixing in the old days of DAVE dish....emulation, etc... To be honest with you, I am trying for the last week to get a bin to work, and so far I got no where, is very hard now, they change the strem of codes, and they are changing those every day looks like. Oh well, I just hope someone smarter then me can get a bin to work. Good Luck Alien |
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Bronze Member Username: HughjassPost Number: 17 Registered: Jun-06 | O.K...Where's the hidden camera?!? This is frickin hilarious. So let me see if I can understand this. Some guy that's good at assembling "stufff", and works at an electronic shop for 4 months, is going to help decrypt a code that a multi million dollar company has spent millions encrypting? Not to mention the fact that they have hired some of the most intelligent computer scientists on the planet to write it. Do me a favor and drop me a line when you're finished, O.K.? What's the URL for that site again? |
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Bronze Member Username: AzzurriPost Number: 66 Registered: Jun-06 | hey ben, maple works at radio shack. maybe she can help. |
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Silver Member Username: LuciaPost Number: 232 Registered: May-06 | HAHAHAA I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE MY NAME WAS UP THERE. LMFAO |
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Bronze Member Username: AzzurriPost Number: 67 Registered: Jun-06 | and ben, alien works in the electronics dept at walmart. i know he can help. |
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Bronze Member Username: AzzurriPost Number: 68 Registered: Jun-06 | ben, lets not forget lucia buonita. she owns an ipod. she can help too. |
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New member Username: Tblack300Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-06 | hey ben... i know a guy that knows a guy thats married to a guy, thats dating a guy that works for charlie. oops. i thought this was an audition for Charlies Angels. sorry, but what the hell, ive got 7 years of card bashing and hashing, and 3 on the bbird and the like. so considr me in too. and to go inline with all of your GREAT names, you can call me Mike. Mike Ock |
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New member Username: DoomheadWindsor, ON Canada Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-06 | There are a lot of nay sayers here... Look at the sony PSP homebrew scene. Sony is a very big company who's proprietary, encrypted hardware/software has been forcefully "open sourced" by a few talented programmers. The PSP homebrew community is big and growing all the time. There are people who have never programmed before making games for the PSP. The homebrew community is constantly finding ways to supercede the ever-changing security measures sony develops. The benefit of open source is not that some kid who owns an ipod might crack a mega-corp's encryption. It's that a community of amateurs/professionals/hobbiests can work together to find solutions to seemingly impossible problems. Isn't this whole thing supposed to be a "hobby" anyway? WHATEVER! A bunch of people flaming eachother on public forums while they wait for a handful of programmers to write some code so they can steal TV? Thats not a hobby. OPEN SOURCE is exactly what the FTA community needs. I would put money on it if we had an open source SDK for all FTA receivers and a good open source community we would have 1. A new BIN by now. 2. Better BINS (i.e. better epg, interfaces, set up etc...) 3. A downside to FTA. The only downside is you might get malicious coders making brick bins to wreck FTA receivers. Oh wait FTA already has that...nevermind. If someone with a bit of talant has the kahonies to start something up you all might be suprised to see how far it goes. ok I'm done flame away! |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 64 Registered: Jun-06 | azzurri I take this as you want to join but want someone to invite you. You are welcome to participate, I have just the right work cut out for you: Climb up to the antenna where DN is sending their scrambled channels, stick your tounge in the middle of it and think of p0rn (i.e. just think of what you always think of), then the beam will enter through your tounge to your brain (it can only be you who does this because too much brain will break the transmission), and filter it just like the ROM 102, only the XX channels though but it's a good start. |
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Bronze Member Username: AzzurriPost Number: 70 Registered: Jun-06 | hobby, BS get real. steal, and what your doing is not stealing? ok chris, so when the judge says you are stealing, you defense will be; No its a hobby. yea that will fly. go back to sleep old man. |
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New member Username: JagulPost Number: 1 Registered: Jul-06 | This is the problem, no one has the ability to keep there yappars shut |
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Bronze Member Username: AzzurriPost Number: 71 Registered: Jun-06 | ben, i thought you would never ask. lol |
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Bronze Member Username: JohncruisePost Number: 33 Registered: Jul-06 | Now this is good stuff. Who knows, something useful will come out from this team... |
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Bronze Member Username: HughjassPost Number: 20 Registered: Jun-06 | I thought there was an open source FTA already? Dreambox? Triple Dragon? I don't see a fix coming out of them. Pay up time. |
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New member Username: DoomheadWindsor, ON Canada Post Number: 2 Registered: Jul-06 | hugh, I also mentioned a good open source community...for my bet lol. and azzuri I don't think you understood my post at all based on your comments. go take an english class then try speaking the language for a few years. then come back and read the post again it might make more sence to you then ok? um kay? |
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New member Username: JosharmourPost Number: 8 Registered: Jun-06 | so how did this turn into bashing again, just when I though i could become a part of something big! Seriously though, I think Hugh Jass had a point. They have several computer scientist working to block this, and in an open source community all the efforts would be immediatly countered. There is a benefit to BL's secrecy and non disclosure isnt there. |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 65 Registered: Jun-06 | Alrighty! A beta version of the hompage is up and running: www*geocities*com/openfta/ (replace * with .) |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 66 Registered: Jun-06 | (I will move the page to a more permanent location once I see that the project is going somewhere) |
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New member Username: DoomheadCanada Post Number: 3 Registered: Jul-06 | you could have a point with open source the corporations would have a window into the community, but again the DN subs still need to receive the product. and as long as they need to broadcast a signal to make money there will always be a signal that can be hacked. DN can't just change their delivery infrastructure. they have limits on what they can do to stop FTA. |
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Bronze Member Username: StorytellerPost Number: 49 Registered: Jul-06 | thedssguy Welcomed Guest! Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 486 Why was Viewsat chosen by "the underground"? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many of you have seen the "extortion" letter written by someone from "the underground". It basically asks Viewsat to fork over the source code for their receivers in exchange for a FULL maprom dump. Why did they choose VS instead of any other receiver? The answer lies in the flexible design originally chosen by Viewsat and the hardware involved. Their original design and subsequent units are based on the Conexant processor & chipset. The Conexant line of procs are based on the ARM920 proc (same as the Armulator), and the devlopment tools available lend all kinds of flexibility for 3rd party engineers to coax all kinds of instructions from the chip. Given the processing power and RAM of their design, it simply is a "no brainer" for these hardware gurus to want to play with the possibilities that lie within. When Viewsat hit the market slightly over 1 yr. ago, their design and choice of hardware was way ahead of the St-Micro chipsets, and cost efficient as well. Between the extra horsepower, the 16 megs of RAM, and the 2 meg ROM area, Viewsat entered the market with a specific purpose. That purpose was N2. Even a year ago when it was explained to me that in the future Nagrastar would battle the FTA market with a vengance, I was told NOT to worry. The design they had chosen was more than capable of a full onslaught by Nagrastar, even to the point of being able to handle a full 768 bit RSA encryption. True to their word, they have been a leader of innovation, while keeping the profit margin to a minimum to get their design and units into the peoples hands. Time and time again their design has proven itself, as features were added, and the DN tricks were overcome. Now coders want to make this very capable box "open source". This simply is an unrealistic expectation from a company that has invested so MUCH time & research into their product. They came to North America to dominate the market, and lead all others. As events unfold in the coming weeks, you will not be disappointed in the company that I have staunchly supported since their arrival. Rest assured the VS design will prove itself once and for all as "the most bang for the buck", and the #1 choice for Free TV. Others may imitate, clones may try to duplicate, but none will ever succeed at capturing the heart of the hobbiest, looking for the best entertainment value for his family, as Viewsat has. With some 70 engineers at their disposal, Viewsat stands alone, and sets the standard of quality & excellence for ALL others to follow. Soon the last hurdle will fall, and VS will emerge victorious and will finally fulfill their destiny to surpass all others. Thanks to you, the discerning buyers who chose Viewsat. Be patient as we wait to celebrate their finest hour and the victory that is sure to come.. |
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Bronze Member Username: RadamesPonce, Puerto Rico Post Number: 43 Registered: Jun-06 | In what languege I can read my bin of pasat 3500 SD? |
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New member Username: DrcucuHondo, La U.s.a Post Number: 2 Registered: Jul-06 | Ok.. ben i just came back from the beta homepage, do not pay attention to hugh as, lets do it. i will be sending you some interesting info and tools,also some programmers and friends from the karpoff cracking home site will be joining to,so they will contact you soon with the right tools and source. we are happy to see this..please do not bring your defenses down,there is an army of coder and ex-coder on the way. so stay tune and wait. they are willing to help,millions of dollar for what??? when you can crack it in a garage....je,jejejeje... again count us in!!!!!! and keep the good work!!! you will hear from us soon!!! |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 69 Registered: Jun-06 | Nice post storyteller. I didn't expect any help from Viewsat to bring us any open source, but rather reverse engineer the bins that are available etc. Since what you are saying is true, I bet there are a LOT of reverese engineered work done already to make clones of the Viewsat receiver. I don't see it that impossible that some of that material would leak in to the open source project. There is always a question if open source helps or makes it worse for the FTA. Truth is that the paid coders who works for the manufacturers will always be one step ahead of the open source coders since they obviously hold more info. If you look at the manufacturers, they have much to win from this. They get people working for FREE helping them counteract the ECMs, making the bin files available faster, hence selling more boxes. Also I think a lot of people would buy the box that has the most documented hardware/software. Said that, I don't see any fear of having 100 extra coders working on a problem from their point of view. |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 70 Registered: Jun-06 | Thanks manuel, appreciate that. |
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New member Username: B1acklistPost Number: 3 Registered: Jun-06 | LK Here... Ive been thinking... I could always come along and be my usual, bigoted, short tempered, racist self... I was thinking that maybe I could have a really bad attitude, shout at people, tell you all to read, belittle all of your efforts and offer no encouragement at all... I wont contribute anything constructive whatsoever, and I promise not help in the slightest, and then, after ensuring I've alienated and upset each and every one of you, to the point that the entire projects gone to sh1t... For my "grand finale", I will go totally postal and threaten to kill each and everyone of you, and your families, your children, and your children's children too... And what's more, I'll threaten to do so, with just my left hand... The right one can be tied behind my back, because I'm so hard and I went to Nam... However, I wont even consider joining your silly little group of wannabees, unless you start at least three threads begging me to join, and get at least 200 posts in each... Then I might, might, just possibly... think about it... PHHFFFTTT Ahhhh... That's better, I needed a good f-art... Breathe deep of the aroma, my lucky disciples! Why? BECAUSE I AM LK AND MY SH1T SMELLS OF ROSES ! PS. Incase your wondering, No... In NOT the real LK... I'm actually BlackList... And as soon as LK stops sending me emails that read "Whaaa Whaaaa They don't like me... " Then I can actually get back to coding the bin ! There I said it... Now you know what the REAL DELAY is because of... |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 71 Registered: Jun-06 | "LK wannabe n00b" get off my thread. |
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Silver Member Username: TadonDover, NJ Usa Post Number: 101 Registered: May-06 | May I ask a stupid question -- Can people outsite from "open source group" access to homepage to get information ? |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 72 Registered: Jun-06 | Yes bui le, check it out: geocities.com/openfta |
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Bronze Member Username: StorytellerPost Number: 55 Registered: Jul-06 | Why do I have visions of Col Klink and Sgt Schultz from Hogan's Hero's? |
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Silver Member Username: TadonDover, NJ Usa Post Number: 104 Registered: May-06 | Thx Ben. |
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New member Username: DrcucuHondo, La U.s.a Post Number: 3 Registered: Jul-06 | PLEASE READººº IF YOU DO NOT HAVE NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE,PLEASE DO NOT COME AND WRITE NEGATIVE POST. LK,STORYTELLER YOU SELF YOUR NAME RIGHT !! STORYTELLER!,PLEASE SHOW ME THE MONEY AND THEN WE TALK,BUT PLEASE GET A LIFE!! THEN COME BACK TO US..PLEASE IGNORE ALL NEGATIVEPOST AND LET US KEEP GOING WITH THIS FANTASTIC PROYECT....AND FORGET ABOUT THE WORMS OF THIS PLANET,THEY ARE SIMPLY WORMS,WE ARE HUMANS WITH BRAIN AND WE CAN GET ALONG WITH. THANKS |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 73 Registered: Jun-06 | Ok guys right now we need to collect info!!! Send whatever docs/files you got to openfta*gmail.com (replace * with @) and I will put it on the homepage. Project homepage: geocities.com/openfta |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 251 Registered: Apr-06 | Guys, if this project doesn't work, worst case scenario: we'll all learn a lot about DSS. |
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Silver Member Username: Pirate_petePost Number: 156 Registered: May-06 | U will be flooded with P#rn. |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 74 Registered: Jun-06 | good |
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Bronze Member Username: StorytellerPost Number: 69 Registered: Jul-06 | I suggest you all stop posting in public right now and here!...if you are serious about this endeavor you MUST go underground because this is a Federal felony crime that you are all conspiring to do. You will do FEDERAL time for this!..Your name, address, and families will all be published and affected, along with your bank account....I wish you all much luck...but if you are serious, you can no longer post here about this project!...this site and all are monitored by the FCC..You cannot even post the new site that is your new homepage..This is not playing a game, being a hero, or the same as uploading a bin and getting FREE TV at just your house..your intentions are completely different and will definitely be prosecuted....at least be smart enough to hide your criminal activity!...and you all have already publicly shown criminal intent! |
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Bronze Member Username: GanjamanPost Number: 16 Registered: Jun-06 | Excuse me for a moment but 1. Isn't publicly asking for fixes illegal too? 2. Aren't the websites that offer the bins illegal? 3. Isn't giving advice on how to receive free TV illegal? Then how come when this project is mentioned, there is sudden talk of "criminal activity"? Seems to me an FTA rep is trying to protect the manufacturer's interests. Maybe VS? hmmmm.... |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 75 Registered: Jun-06 | yeah storyteller what's the story? you seem to glorify viewsat a "little" too much... I think it's a bit far fetched for the police to go slamming down an open source project, which mearly trying to reverse enigneer the FTA boxes we have bought, all in the name of science and good fun. |
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New member Username: Capn_crunchPost Number: 1 Registered: Jul-06 | hey ben checked site as soon as you get some tools i'll get to work, it's been a long time but i'm up for a new challenge |
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New member Username: SpeedyyvoOstadAruba Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-06 | hacking rom 10 and p@ssy is my specialty |
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Bronze Member Username: StorytellerPost Number: 70 Registered: Jul-06 | hey guys...I'm not associated with any receiver company..just warning you that there is a big difference between loading a bin for yourself and conspiracy to find and obtain the source code for million of people to gain from...You are talking apples and oranges...1 year or 5 years..$5,000 or $150,000 fines..misdemeanor or felony...civil or criminal.... you are crossing the line which is your perogative but CYA...be discreeet, this is no civil misdemeanor ..you all changed the entire playing field..this is NOTHING like giving advice and loading a bin like other websites do..do want you want, but I warned you.....and I am a person who is very familiar with the law and FTA, along with DSS for many years..I have been a DSS site administrator for many years!...You are all acting BOLD and STUPID to publicly even speak here of this...ignoring me and doing this in public just shows to everyone that none of you are serious and just want to have attention here for other newbie members...which you will get from the authorities..any half brain knows that discretion is required when committing a SERIOUS felony Federal crime with intent! |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 254 Registered: Apr-06 | Ben, I'm in agreement with storyteller somewhat on this, even though I'm all for open source. This forum most likely records posters' IP addies, which the authorities can easily obtain with a warrant. I'm not worried cause I surf on a stolen wireless link. I'm a network admin and I know that it's easy to track you unless you, a) use an open wireless link, b) surf through an anonymous (OFFSHORE) proxy. Unless the company providing anon proxy services resides in a country which doesn't have laws that can override your right to privacy, even a North American proxy provider can be forced to give up their logs to the authorities. You will, as storyteller suggests, have to go underground. I suggest that where you start your project and recruitement. Right now, how do you know who to trust and who not to trust? For all you know, I could rat you out. Anyways, I'm just asking for you to think about it a bit. It can still be done, but must be done in clandestine. Besides, it's not like we'd get a fix out next week or anytime soon. We'd have to get organized, decide on hardware, learn the hardware inside out, learn DSS communications, learn the math, code the project, debug, recode... and so on. It will take a while. |
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New member Username: DrcucuHondo, La U.s.a Post Number: 4 Registered: Jul-06 | ben i had send you the tools and souce code of some bins i had send it already so check them out.. be ready some guys from the underground will send you more source code.. happy coding...let see what the hards heads here have to say...pay back time boys!! |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 78 Registered: Jun-06 | manuel, I havn't received anything from you...send it again plz. |
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New member Username: DrcucuHondo, La U.s.a Post Number: 5 Registered: Jul-06 | i do not care what you say...information have to be free for everyone, and because of people like you we are stock. i wont be a puppet, i will learn a teach others,i wont be ignorant, because the law say. you go here,there bl.,bla,bla,bla... this remain me a 3er. world country ,where information is filtered,because it can affect this person and other company. i know the law for your information. i have my brain and nobody will think for me. iam not scare of internet spy and other stuff.. i know nss is ckecking around ,and i had prepared for this time ,where privacy is no more than a theory on a piece of paper. ... i build my own decoder..i make my own softwares, yes you are right do not trust ..that is the key...i learn how to speak with the computer... you are 1 or you are 0.. iam both of them..happy coding ..ben share the info and do not be afraid. |
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Silver Member Username: HardrockstrikerPost Number: 259 Registered: Apr-06 | I'm not saying for Ben to not do it; just saying to be careful. There are many who just talking about doing something, but Ben actual DOES. Kudos to Ben, but please do it with necessary caution. |
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New member Username: DrcucuHondo, La U.s.a Post Number: 6 Registered: Jul-06 | OK..i apologize to you , if i have been too hard on you..sorry.. that is not me,but you know iam irish, and whenever someone tells ,do not look at that because-...... you know..boy iam in.. je,je,je,je,je ,anyway your comment is very well apreciated |
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New member Username: DrcucuHondo, La U.s.a Post Number: 7 Registered: Jul-06 | ben you got the mails...???? |
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Bronze Member Username: Maxtrep2Post Number: 11 Registered: Apr-06 | what means map 57. tocayo |
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Bronze Member Username: StorytellerPost Number: 84 Registered: Jul-06 | FTA has their valid reasons for not even being able to contemplate releasing their source code. One very important reason is the manufacturers signature & name are all thru the source, leaving them wide open for litigation from providers. Let alone the fact that once released, providers would be able to see how to best attack FTA and render them useless for piracy. We find ourselves in a very nasty catch 22 situation that you & I have caused by pushing FTA popularity to it's current proportions. With over 1 million hacked boxes out there and more flooding the country every day, make no mistake about it, Nagrastar is taking their signal integrity campaign very seriously now, and we've seen more activity from them recently than ever before in the entire history of Nagrastar to this point. |
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New member Username: DrcucuHondo, La U.s.a Post Number: 8 Registered: Jul-06 | 57 is the lucky number, that the instruction, that keep the black out. in espanol map stand for modular arithmetic processor. map57 is like an algothrism,some people say that you have to look at it as kind of a black box, in witch there and input and output,so that black box will calculate, what you give to it and the result will an unknown output...and so,so,so.. read this copy paste : Qoute: Parrot mode ON: For those in denial, the code below does one simple thing: it writes 94h to location $8B7E. This causes the stack return to point to $94xx instead of $8Bxx when the function returns. They have sent this code via the latest revision and are sending it down in EMM packets too! They want to be sure every card gets the update. Now, when the stack returns to $94xx, glitching is not possible for a variety of technical reasons that only a coder understands. The cam is shut tight. End of story. So all subbed cards now have the new routine and can't be glitched - at least not with the old methods. Those using the latest blocker code can glitch in because you e3m just ignores the stack point stuff. However, once all the subbed cards are updated, all they have to do is check if the card is locked or unlocked. Unlocked cards will call a MAP function that disables part of the MAPRom. Locked cards will function normally. That doesn't leave us much choice, does it? Either we let them lock our cards OR we risk losing the MAPRom functionality. If you let them lock your card, then you will eventually lose your tiers and will be watching a black screen. Since you can't glitch back in, that black screen will be around for a while. If they kill your MAPRom, well, black screen once again. In layman's terms, the code update means this: Charlie is saying: "sheep, sheep, where are you going?" Testers say: "to the slaughterhouse, bah, bah." Guys, you are all being set up by Charlie and unknowingly being led to the slaughterhouse. When having a real update on your card is enforced pull your ROM102 cards while you have a chance. An "Aux" type solution will probably surface once the big kill comes down. At that time, there will be a severe SHORTAGE of ROM102 cards. ---------------------------------------------- Rev 109 code ---------------------------------------------- 93E3: A694 lda #94 ; Load in A 93E5: AC push dsr ; push dsr on stack 93E6: 7180 ldp #80 ; Load into paging register 93E8: C18B7E cmpa 8B7E ; cmp ram with a 93EB: 2712 jreq $93FF ; Jump if Z = 1 (equal) 93ED: CD5700 call 5700 93F0: 8B lda dsr ; Load dsr in a 93F1: 7E swap(x) ; Swap nibbles 93F2: BE6B ldx 006B 93F4: 89 pushx ; Push x onto the Stack 93F5: AE96 ldx #96 ; Load in X 93F7: BF6B stx 006B ; Store x in... 93F9: CD6DC9 call 6DC9 93FC: 85 popx ; Pop x from the Stack 93FD: BF6B stx 006B ; Store x in... 93FF: AF pop dsr ; pop dsr from stack 9400: 81 rts ; Return from subroutine -------------------------------------------- Don't let the FTA makers pull the wool over your eyes. Don't believe them when they say the fix is taking so long because "we have to read through 155 pages of prime number theory, AES ciphering" or "the new bin required is so massive the coder is exhausted" or my personal favourite "Mr. Viewsat will be putting 1 Canadian and 1 Korean in the same room with a electron laserscope". Complete and utter kaka. The reason FTA, Atmega, Armulator, ROM101, ROM10/11 and everything else (except ROM102) is down is because of these two lines of code: 936E: lda #$57 9370: jsrp #$00, $A822 Thats it! Those buggers are causing all this chaos. That code is assembly. Assembly works by calling and executing various instructions. The instruction at line 936E: lda #$57 means "load register a with the value 57". The instruction at 9370: jsrp #$00, $A822 means "okay, jump-to-routine MAP function that was loaded in register a, namely 57". So basically, those two lines of code execute something called MAP 57. The problem is, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MAP 57 is. That is why Mr. Viewsat and the other FTA makers are sweating right about now. You see, without knowledge of MAP 57 their gravy train will run away soon. For those that say "well, the FTA people will figure it out, don't worry". Start worrying. Think of MAP 57 as a kind of black box. There is an input to the black box and an output. The idea is to try and figure out what this black box does. For example, if we input 2 and the output is 4, if when we input 3 the ouput is 6, if when we input 4 the output is 8, then we may reasonably deduce that this black box just multiplies the input by 2. That was easy. The real MAP 57 takes 128 bytes of input, another 16 bytes of input and magically produces a 128 byte output. Here is an example: INPUT 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 22 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 44 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 55 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 66 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 88 SECONDARY INPUT AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA OUTPUT 34 FD 23 BD 67 55 32 DD 12 11 AE A1 43 78 E1 F0 21 56 78 32 A2 B4 67 88 99 DE 11 12 57 89 FA AE 56 23 BB C1 23 BA F2 E5 E5 A1 90 29 07 5A 9B 2C 88 45 33 D1 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 9E 21 8A B1 4C 31 28 98 5A B2 C1 1D 28 56 23 F3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 15 C1 22 8D F4 4A 87 59 00 AA D2 C1 04 31 21 07 67 21 BA A8 93 24 B1 FF D2 31 20 02 9D 3F 0D 4A Does anyone see the pattern? How did we go from the input to the output? If you input different numbers you will get a different output. So how does this MAP 57 black box work? Anyone? Not as easy as multiplication by two. Not so easy to figure out, eh? I assure you, Mr. Viewsat can put 1 Canadian and 1 Korean in a room together with a laserscope and the problem doesn't change one bit. That folks is the story behind MAP call 57 and why FTA no longer works. Now you have the facts and you will know when the FTA makers are bluffing you with delayed bin excuses, emu re-write excuses, and the big prime number won't come out of my azz excuse. Well, there you have it. Just the facts. Plain and simple. |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 80 Registered: Jun-06 | I've gathered and received some really interesting information. Page updated. Keep 'em coming guys |
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New member Username: DrcucuHondo, La U.s.a Post Number: 10 Registered: Jul-06 | you got the files ? please confirm..if so..more on the way form some guys from the underground,let see if a frog can sings..ji,ji,ji,ji.. |
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Bronze Member Username: DrcucuHondo, La U.s.a Post Number: 11 Registered: Jul-06 | i could not get into the site.. check it out...site is down...??? |
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Bronze Member Username: SaturationPost Number: 81 Registered: Jun-06 | Lucia, this is your new mark. His name is Pascal Jonod and works as a senior cryptographer for the Kudelski Group. http://crypto.junod.info/ Your mission is to extract all needed information regarding the new encryption algorithms. Use all means neccessary. As usual, should you or any member of your team be captured or killed, the project will disavow any knowledge of your existence. This message will self-destruct in five seconds. |
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