Problem of 119W and 110W on Ellptical Dish
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New member Username: Kev74Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-06 | Hi all, this time i really need your help especial from LK. Last weekend I spent most a day to find and configured the Echo7 & Echo8 and FTA on my Ellptical Starchoice dish, but no luck. Here are what I installed. The Ellptical dish have built-in twin LNSs, and this default twin LNBs I set and hook it up with FTA, it's 97W(T-5/Ku) and 101W(AM-4/Ku) - All FTA signals and channels are working fine. After everything done for FTA, I tried to installed and find the signal for Dishnet 119W and 110W. I created bracket that hold the two DBS LNBs (each has single eye, w/ 2 output, dual), I don't know what i did right but it's very easy to get signals for the 119W and 110W. However, I when I scan satellite, it's only detect 110W channel and no 119W at all. Another problem was DiSeqc: 97W & 101W from Twin DiSeqc # 1 119 W from dual DBS LNB DiSeqc # 2 110 W from dual DBS LNB DiSeqc # 3 But when I go to my Pansat 2500A to change the 110W to DiSeqc # 2 and it's still have Quality level as high as 119W. This is create a problem that sometimes it's work, sometime it does not work. Alot of time i turn TV and my receiver on, go to channel and it said "Wait for Picture!! [###%] some time it up to 910% and it's disappear and has nothing! I thought about my Receive/Bin file problem I brought my receiver to my friend, and it's working fine. I spent 2 hours to go to home depot to find all material to build a "homemade" bracket, I find the signal before I screw they tight in each position. The 119 and 110W LNBs position is a little higher than Twin LNBs that set for FTA, is it create problem? Please give me some idea. Thank you very much. Kev. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 1761 Registered: Jan-06 | Wait for Picture...means the bin is autorolling and trying to enter the latest Dishnet keys for the 110 and 119....sometimes takes 1 hr and goes over 1000%..also use bin 273T I don't understand what your point or problem is.. If U do a SEARCH here or read some posts anywhere, U would have seen that posted 1000x in the past 2 weeks! Manually enter the keys, if the % keeps going up forever..with the 273T bin, DN keys are already in it.. |
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New member Username: Kev74Post Number: 3 Registered: Apr-06 | LK, my problem is i can't watch TV!! Should Yes, I have read alot of post, but it seems like my problem is weird, it's working in my friend's satellite when i brought my Pansat2500A over and hook it in but i won't work in my satellite. LK, should I find singal for the 119W and 110W BEFORE flash bin file into my Pansat2500A? or after flashing bin file into it? Can you provide me some picture or idea how to install the 97W,101W with 119W and 110W on Starchoice largest dish (84cm)? I have no problme to get 97W and 101W. Thank you so much. Kev (newbie) |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 1763 Registered: Jan-06 | There are thousands of Dish Pointing files and calculators at every DSS site...use them!...the 110 and 119 are very simple.. Waiting for Picture would not appear at your house if it worked at buds house.. How can anybody help U align your own dish with homemade brackets!...101W is Directv which U cannot get! ...and I'm not even sure if those LNB's are usable.. and TWIN LNB's are made for specific satellites for simple installation..example Dish pro's are made for the 110 -119..I don't know what starchoice TWIN LNB satellies are and how or if U can realign them! U started this hobby all wrong and made it more difficult that it is..by trying to save a buck ...and NOT reading.. |
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New member Username: Kev74Post Number: 4 Registered: Apr-06 | LK, i thought you know alot and you read what i wrote above, but not. Did I mention "I set and hook it up with FTA, it's 97W(T-5/Ku) and 101W(AM-4/Ku)" those numbers that I didn't point to DirecTV at all! it's IA or T-5/Ku and 101W AMC-4/Ku for FTA! I used built-in Twin LNBF and got these 97W and 101W signals very easy. The only 119W and 110W for dishnet that i messed up was: When I install 2 DBS each for 110W and 119W on right-hand-side of the Twin LNB (from left-to-right from twin lnbf 97W->101W->110W->119W), they all got signals. This early evening, I went home and took the 110W off, left the 119W there, I deleted all old channels and blink scan on the Echo7/Ku with 119W, they gave me all satellite numbers with both Horizontal and Vertical, the weird thing was after I scanned them all, all channel was found belongs to Echo8.6/Ku 110W NOT 119W! There are no CNN or MSNBC, FoxNews ect that supposed to be on 119W. After I watch couple channels, and moving to another one, it's stucked and wait for picture%% again and it's up to hundreds percent and disappoint and starts over from 0% again. Does anyone experience experience this problem like i do? LK, is it too difficult for you bro? |
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New member Username: Kev74Post Number: 5 Registered: Apr-06 | One more thing, when i do Blind Scan, the default is Echo7/Ku 119W, i didn't see the Echo8 110W at all. I check in the Antenna Setup, the only Echo7/119W has signal but nothing from 110W since i took it off. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 1768 Registered: Jan-06 | U are on your own BRO!....U write like a China man!.. I read that crap U wrote...get somebody else to try and understand that writing and take your abuse, while U want help!!...never bite the hand that feeds U.. |
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New member Username: BritishPost Number: 5 Registered: Mar-06 | get a new sat antena d500 or 2 300, or 2 dtv, after all if you cant, get a sub. |
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New member Username: Kev74Post Number: 6 Registered: Apr-06 | LK nice guess, English is my second language, i learned English when I was 24 year-old but no i am not "China man" as you said, If you learn your second language when you are at the age of 24, i am sure you have the same problem like i do. You sound like you want to give me a difficult time here. By the way, thanks for your input help or helpless it doesn't matter - My advice to you, if you know, you show people how to do, simple, it work, if you don't know, don't waste your time to confuse people, most of your input in forum, you drive to draw this draw that, but it's not correct solution and meet their expection. I have this question because I install 8 different LNBs on the same 84cm dish (starchoice product) but i figure it out, I have to set the Twin LNBs one off for 22kHz and another on for 22kHz and it works pretty good. I know you confuse and you don't know how to help in those certain problems because this is not simple problem, simple and easy problem, i won't bring here and create trouble for buddies. British, I think you gave me a perfect idea to catch the 119 and 110 birds. I have done that for my friend (the one worked when i brought my receiver to him) I install the DishPro 500 (Dishnetword with Twin LNB, one for 110 and another 119) and i install 1 of DirecTV dish to cath the Nimiq1 91W to watch BellExpVu. I gave myself a trouble when I tried to install largest dish 84cm and put on it 8 lnbs at the same time (3 on left, 3 on right plus Twin built-in lnbs). Thanks British. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 1776 Registered: Jan-06 | I don't care if English is your 10th language pal..no sympathy from me...This is America, we speak English here!...I don't care where U came from!...Don't get on ANY AMERICAN for not understanding that crap U think is English!...U have no brains and big Kahuna's coming here and bashing me in my own country for your EXTREMELY POOR language abilities..go back to Nam or wherever and learn how to communicate in ENGLISH or STFU charlie!...fricking gooks!...U pizz me off!...U hammerheads own half the US, now U want to start telling us Americans how to react and behave...go F yourself...I hope I shot ALL your grandparents and uncles in Nam..or Bosnia or Iraq or whatever foreign hole U call home!...Don't come to my country and preach to me or any of us..U are a guest!...ALWAYS remember that!  |
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New member Username: Kev74Post Number: 7 Registered: Apr-06 | Poor you LK, like someone said, he does not have time to create fighting via typing words in this forum with nick LK, i like his post because this is true and reflects your personality. I feel bad for you, American they don't talk that way like you. I am American too, but i was born in different country so what? "Don't come to my country and preach to me" hehe if you said so, this is my country too so what LK? Think about the past, your granparents or whoever are from other parts of the world, not from this NORTH AMERICA. Geezzz they came here for better opportunity, they escaped from Europe for better promise land and YOU, LK, were born here. If you said so, the Native American can say to your greater granparents "Don't come to their country and kill them" OK LK. God, i am LOL of you and you are the funniest guy on this forum. Yesterday i was trying to bring you up on sky but i have been this in forum for years and your knowledge of the satellite is very poor. I brought this topic to need your help just because i know a guy like you never know the anwser, and you mentioned about my English hahaha You think everybody respect you via your crap replies here haha not me but LISTEN LK PEOPLE DON'T POST HERE IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY KNOW NOTHING. THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM THEY KNOW BUT THEY NEVER SHOW OFF AND POOR YOU, THE MORE YOU SHOW OFF THE MORE STUPIDITY YOU DISPLAY TO EVERYONE. Before i post this topic, i bet 100% it screw LK jerk in a second and it's so true, LK does not know the answer and turning into blah blah English and English blah blah That's cheap LK, and thanks LK, you made my date, i have a very very good laugh with my co-worker here during lunch time. My 2 cents, |
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New member Username: Kev74Post Number: 8 Registered: Apr-06 | LK, YOU ARE REPRESENT FOR UNEDUCATED CLASS, YOU DO NOT REPRESENT FOR AMERICAN BECAUSE MOST OF AMERICAN DO NOT HAVE THAT TYPE OF LOW PERSONALITIES LIKE YOU! |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 1779 Registered: Jan-06 | U mean 10 won or yen...not 2 cents...co workers are all immigrants like U, telling Americans how to behave and speak, while all of U butcher our language and collect our food stamps too..go away..I suppose U love GW's immigration bill too..why not, us real Americans are picking up your tab!...and then U complain about us..U have a peabrain except for using the system...and that is not English that U think U are writing...its an abortion of English...I paid my dues to live here , did U?...hell no...U were never in the US military cause U can't read or write English..U are another freeloader here in the US, looking for a handout...and yelling at people like me , when I don't give it to U!...go back to your hole U snake.. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 1780 Registered: Jan-06 | Your ignorance is especially obvious when U state that I am NOT knopwledgeable in this hobby...coming from U, an immigrant who can't read or write English, and cannot even put up a satellite dish!...who's the fool and idiot!...its not me, it's U..I don't need help , U do china man..!...How can someone who cannot even put up a dish correctly accuse me of not being knowledgeable...U're a joke pal! |
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New member Username: Kev74Post Number: 9 Registered: Apr-06 | HAHA FAGUS LK I GOT YOU, YOU ARE SO MAD DOG NOW HAHAHA - WE ARE A GROUP OF PEOPLE USING THIS NICK, PERSON WHO IS TYPING NOW HERE CAME FROM GERMANY AND MY FRIEND WHO REGISTERED THIS NICK IS KEVEV HE IS FROM RUSSIA. SO WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM HERE? HAHAHAHAHAHA MAD DOG LK, YOU BETTER OFF LINE AND DO SOMETHING ELSE. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 1781 Registered: Jan-06 | So U are telling me U are ALL LOSERS, from countries that don't exist anymore and have lost all your wars..I don't talk to Ignorant immigrant LOSERS!.....later comrades!.....LMAO |
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New member Username: Kev74Post Number: 10 Registered: Apr-06 | OK LK YES SIR, WE WILL COME BACK OUR COUNTRIES AND YOU ARE THE WINNER, WE ARE A LOSER GROUP, YOU ARE HAPPY NOW? GREAT LK, YOU GAVE US A BIG LAUGH, SHOULD WE LAUGH ALL AMERICAN? NO, WE LAUGH AT YOU, ONLY YOU, MR WINNER! OUR ENGLISH SOUND LIKE "CHINA MAN"? OH GOD LOLLLLLL |
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Bronze Member Username: WoofyPost Number: 17 Registered: Feb-06 | LK..Man, me thinks this guy has been pullling yur chain from the begining when he asked for your help..I'm pretty sure that he speaks and writes english as good as anyone in north america,,his spelling seems to good..you help to many legit people here to be bothered with this A***ole..i hope his spleen ruptures tonight. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 1783 Registered: Jan-06 | yeah..its probably kneegrows and the admins and mods here again...they're pissed and bored now that I ran the other troublemakers out.. |
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Bronze Member Username: Kev74Post Number: 11 Registered: Apr-06 | BOB, ASK MR WINNER LK WHEN IS THE GOOD TIME WE COME BACK TO OUR OWN COUNTRIES OPSS NO, OH NO WHEN IS THE BEST TIME FOR US TO GET OUT "LK'S COUNTRY" OPSSS NO, I FORGET AGAIN, WHEN IS THE BEST OF THE BEST TIME FOR US TO LEAVE HIS COUNTRY? FYI, Rob Mika, you don't know much about satellite, you think LK inputs are helpful, but if you know more, or you are working for a satellite company and hardware and software programming for big company DirecTV/Dish Network like us, YOU SHOULD SEE HOW DEEP OF KNOWLEDGE THAT LK TRIES TO SHOW. HIS PERSONALITY IS LOW TOO, AND VERY DISCRIMINATED GUY - I AM A WHITE GUY, HE THOUGHT I AM A "CHINA MAN" AND SHOWING HIS DIRTY DISCRIMINATION WORD THAT RESPRESENTED FOR UNPOLITED AND UNEDUCATED PERSON. WE HAVE NOTHING TO DEAL WITH THOSE CYBER FREAKY PERSONALITIES BUT A GOOD CATCH AS WELL AS A GOOD LAUGH. REGARDS, SAT/GROUP |
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New member Username: Hermes2019Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-06 | Hello. I am new to FTA (you've all read that probably about a 1000 times now from so many) and I have a few hardware issues. I have a Starchoice oval-shapped dish (about 30") with two LNBs that appear to skew out from the centreline of the dish in a symmetrical fashion. I have just purchased a Pansat 3500SD and I was wondering if I can use this Starchoice dish to capture 110 and 119. I don't know how to describe the LNBs other than they look like two beer cans <getting> Seriously. There is an original Starchoice Switch connected as well with Sat A and Sat B... or at least that is what I can make out from the faded label. I do have a Pansat 4x1 switch that came with the receiver. Can someone let me know if I can achieve and if I have any option of still using this starchoice dish? I would really appreciate any help in trying to get this working as my knowledge is lacking in area (although I have been reading a lot of forums with some hope - I guess). Thanks. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 1994 Registered: Jan-06 | U have linear LNB's....U need "circular" LNB's... Circular & Linear LNB's: What's the difference? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK everyone, put your polarizing sunglasses on. What's the difference? Answer: About -3dB or half the signal level. Now take your sunglasses off. Notice how bright it is in here? The difference in brightness is an example of using the wrong lnb type. Circular and Linear polarization refer to the characteristics of the radio wave that is transmitted by the satellite towards your dish/LNB. Below are links to visual comparisons of Circular (Left or Right-hand) and Linear (Vertical or Horizontal) polarization. http://www.lyngsat.c o m/echo3.html Nimiq 2 @82.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/nimiq2.html Nimiq 1/3 @91.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/nimiq1.html EchoStar 6/8 @110.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/110west.html EchoStar 7 @119.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/echo7.html EchoStar 1/2 @148.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/148west.html How do I know they are circularly polarized? If you click on any one of the links for the satellites above you will notice that under the first column labeled as "Freq. Tp" you will find one of the following single letter designations: "R" = right-hand (=circular polarization) "L" = left-hand (=circular polarization) So what about linear polarization? Linear polarization refers to a wave of radio signal rotating in a single plane. Think of an approaching helicopter as the helicopter's main rotor is moving towards you. It is rotating in a single, horizontal plane. The same approaching helicopter's smaller rear rotor is rotating in a single, vertical plane. In our satellite case it can be either in the "H"orizontal or "V"ertical plane. The following example satellites (visable in N.America) are transmitting with a linear polarized signal: SBS 6 @74.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/sbs6.html AMC 5 @79.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/amc5.html AMC 9 @85.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/amc9.html IA 6 @93.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/ia6.html IA 5 @97.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/ia5.html AMC 1 @103.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/amc1.html AMC 2 at 105.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/amc2.html EchoStar 9 @121.0°W http://www.lyngsat.com/echo9ia13.html Again, under the first column labeled as "Freq. Tp" you will find one of the following single letter designations: "V" = vertical (=linear polarization) "H" = horizontal (=linear polarization) Now that you understand the difference between the two satellite polarization types please put your polarizing sunglasses back on. Hmmm, a little harder to read this right? Well, that's what happens to your receiver when you try to use a linear polarized LNB to receive a circular polarized satellite signal and vis-a-versa. About a 50% loss of signal! Armed with the invaluable information you now possess, by using this link http://www.lyngsat.com/america.html you can determine for yourself what type of LNB you will need for each satellite. If you need a circular polarized LNB look for words describing it as "DSS" or "DBS" or "circular" or a combination of these terms. If you need a linear polarized LNB look for words describing it as "FSS" or "FTA" or "linear" or a combination of these terms (FYI: All Universal LNB's are linear LNB's). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ...you could use linear LNB to get circular signal with 50% signal lost. You will need a large dish to compensate for this loss. Quote: ...you can't use circular LNB to get linear signal. Technically incorrect. Trying to receive linear polarized signals with a circular polarized lnb (antenna) is possible with the same 3dB/50% loss of signal. The actual reason why you most likely cannot receive linear signals with circular lnb's is because most all "DSS" circular polarized lnb's are incapable of receiving the frequecies at which linear FSS signals occur: Standard FSS LNB (11.7-12.2 GHz) -------->DSS LNB (12.2-12.75 GHz) Universal FSS LNB (10.7-12.75 GHz) <-- has wide bandwidth |
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New member Username: Hermes2019Post Number: 2 Registered: Apr-06 | Thanks for the info LK - this has now led to another question... Is my starchoice dish with two linear lnbs worth retrofitting? I mean is it possible for me to remove the two lnbs and replace them with circular lnbs? The two lnbs have a y-bracket connecting them together and then two hex bolts connecting the bracket to the main arm coming out from the dish - are 110/119 brackets available to accommodate such a retrofit? <phew> |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 2009 Registered: Jan-06 | yes..be creative |
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New member Username: U82Ottawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-06 | hi i hav fortec ultra life time & i'm using these keys on nagravision2. But nothing is coming up just black screen n sometimes scrambled and bad channel. wat shd i do? Idea Key 0: 9E 5B 7A 77 C0 FE 91 CA 4D 2A DC 33 D4 CD E3 75 Idea Key 1: C5 6C 66 89 3A 32 D0 C9 24 2B F0 4F 03 68 06 92 |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 2044 Registered: Jan-06 | Those are good keys....upload the 273T bin...make sure your receiver settings (LNB, disque, frequency etc) are all correct after loading.. also BACK of receiver , power off,wait 2 minutes, power ON, turn to channel 300...try this FIRST! |
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New member Username: Atxpimp01Post Number: 1 Registered: May-06 | i m new to fta and i bought a pansat 3500sd receiver and a super dish too right now everything is going good i got the signals and channels too but here is the situation that occurs: whenever i try to watch any channel it says "scrambled or bad channel" or sometimes it says "no signal" can anyone help me with this problem i would be thankful for your help |
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Bronze Member Username: Jmontana1Post Number: 15 Registered: Apr-06 | i think the best thing to do is read before you hear some shiit and crap from LK! |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 2262 Registered: Jan-06 | align the dish correctly first...U should get at least the FREE FTA channels with just the factory bin and a scan..and I hope U have the big 32 inch dish for the 121 satellite...and U ned to read a pansat setup guide to configure your receiver antenna settings and disque switch and LNB's ...then U can later uploaD THE 145 BIN WHEN u ONCE GET THE free CHANNELS FROM THE 110-119 -121 SATELLITES...ALL OF THEM...there are many freebies on the 121.... |
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