Archive through July 27, 2005
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iwantanewtv Unregistered guest | What's the best DLP out there? Looking for a 50" or 52" DLP. What's the best and what's the best for the money? Is it worth waiting for the new technology? |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | The newest DLP's won't be available until late summer or longer. They will have the highest contrast DMD chip, (5000:1) which allows 100% of the light to contact the chip. They will have the 1080P (highest resolution) format. Of course, nobody is broadcasting programming in that format, so, upscaling will be going on for a long time. They will be high dollar until late 2006. I don't think they are worth waiting for. The 720P sets are fabulous. That format will be the standard for a few years. I think the best DLP set for the money is the Samsung HLP5674W with the HD2+ Mustang chip at 2500:1 contrast ratio. Stay away from internal HD tuners and stay far away from Cablecard. In fact, cable signal is responsible for most big screen picture complaints when it comes to Standard Def analog signal. We will all still be watching SD for some time to come. I use a Sammy SIR TS360 Direct TV HD receiver. It's fantastic because it combines off-air digital signals with DTV programming into one guide. It also has an optical audio out for a Surround Sound system, which is a must for the perfect home theater experience. Digital 1234 has good reviews. Here's a link. The tv and receiver are on the page. [link removed] ****************************************************************** |
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Anonymous | The best DLP is the one NOT bought, unless you want to risk dizziness, headaches, and eyestrain LCD is today's winning technology SONY 55" LCD is pretty good for most |
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New member Username: XiphiasPost Number: 6 Registered: Feb-05 | The Samy HLN507W has been great for me. Had it a year, only a minor glitch (which was fixed for free and quickly with the help of Samsung Cust.Serv.) and I'm completely satisfied with the availability of component hook-ups and features inherant with this set. The price has come way down to, so you got that going for you. As for Anonymous, if you like to watch your set in the dark (which you'll have to do 'cause of the low contrast) and you'll have to watch it straight on (in the hot spot) cause its side viewing angles suck. |
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New member Username: PatsrockonPost Number: 7 Registered: Mar-05 | I have the Sammy 5674, it's awesome. Gotta be the best right now. I returned the Sony WF55 LCD for it because it was sharper, more vibrant, had no screen door effect, and the colors were more realistic. No rainbows, noise, or SDE. |
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Bronze Member Username: Kdog044Post Number: 13 Registered: Feb-05 | Why do LCD zealots feel the need to respond to DLP threads? PQ is subjective so the best thing to do is look at a few different brands and models and make your selection. In the DLP arena the main brands are Samsung, Mitsubishi and Toshiba. Panasonic does have one also that has been getting good reviews but they are still mainly an LCD vendor. |
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Unregistered guest | I think the Panasonic DLP has the best PQ, has the HD2+ chip which is superior, and is reasonably priced (I negotiated a price around $2500 a few days ago. The Panny is especially superior with SD; all the models with the HD2+ chips are great with HD. It also has reduced rainbows compared to other DLP's with a high speed 8 segment color wheel. The 8 segments also help with blacks. Overall, a great great set. The only thing I can't figure out is why in hell Panasonic isn't marketing the heck out of this machine!!! |
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iwantanewtv Unregistered guest | Thanks for your post Dave. I'll check out the Panny. |
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Anonymous | Samsung DLP!!! I spent 4 months reviewing and re-reviewing all models from all makers... I ended up choosing the Samsung HL-P5063W. For the price, the best picture quality I've seen! Many people have common complaints with DLP, of which a few I will provide my experience. Crappy viewing angle: While this set does have a "sweet spot", the viewing angle is VASTLY improved over previous rear-projection technologies. I can sit 20 degrees in either direction and still get a very "watchable" picture. Contrast: While this set is only 1500:1, I find it to be very bright with the blacks defined quite nicely. Rainbow effect: I've only seen this once, and it happened when I panned my eyes away quickly. I have yet to be able to reproduce it. Noisy color wheel: (never noticed) Noisy lamp fan: Also, never noticed Weird audio/video sync issues: Now, this IS something I've experienced, but I've seen it to some degree on EVERY HD set I've looked at. I find that it show's it's ugly head most when the TV is either upscaling or downscaling the image. (1080i picture being downscaled to 780P (native) is the worst!) I've reduced this by using the HDMI connection and also using the delay function on my reciever when watching movies. As for watching DVD's, an upscaling DVD player with DVI and using the optical out helps minimize this as well. Lamp issues: I've had none, but I've experienced a weird issue when you shut the monitor off, then turn it back on, the screen had a black line going through it, or it ghosts... If you shut it back off, wait until the lamp cools and the fan shuts off, then turn it back on, it's fine... That's it, all in all, awesome picture... You don't get the contrast or viewing angle freedom of a Plasma, but most won't notice. I still notice SERIOUS artifacts under high-speed motion when watching plasma or LCD, but my DLP doesn't have this issue at all. So, you can get a quality DLP set with big inches for short money when compared to Plasma or LCD. Oh, and as for LCD projection, STAY AWAY! Same problems as LCD flatscreen, but less picture quality and crappy contrast. |
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DLP4me! Unregistered guest | Nice post! |
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Anonymous | You can purchase the Toshiba 52HMX84 for $2700 at Crutchfield, good bang for your buck if you ask me. Great set no complaints about it. http://www.crutchfield.com/S-LwEL4OZpRgE/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=153950&I=05252HM X84 |
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New member Username: Kxvlad47Brooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 1 Registered: Mar-05 | Hi, I am pretty much decided on the Samsung HL-P5085. I was not able to find any coupons or rebates for it anywhere on the web. The cheapest I got is 2720 w/ taxes and shipping on PlasmaBay.com. I've seen some people complain about that store, mainly about the delayed shipment. Does anyone know anything about that store and/or have any other ideas where it would be best to get this TV? Thanks a lot |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | The Panasonic 50" DLP, IMO, is the best on the market, or at least on par with the Sammy 85 Series. The Panny is also quite a bit cheaper. You can get it at Ultimate Electronics for $2500...even $2300 if you are a good negotiator. Sam's Club also has it for $2378. Online, you can also get it under $2300. |
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Bronze Member Username: LamprightSyracuse, Utah USA Post Number: 100 Registered: Jan-05 | I'm also very happy with my Mitsubishi 52" 52725. I decided on it for a few different reasons, but mostly because of all the different connection options which indcluding firewire, and because Mitsubishi was running a 3 years no interest financing deal when I bought mine. Just do your research, look at all your choices in the stores, and find a good deal you're happy with. There is no superior TV that is better than all the rest... |
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Johnny M. Unregistered guest | Toshiba 46HM84. I just got it... best DLP in my opinion. HD2+ chip .8 in size - which means more light comes in for better picture. The built in speakers are amazing - they feel like surround. |
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M.A. Unregistered guest | Toshiba 62HM84. Way crisper and richer darks than any of the of the DLP's I have looked at. |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | Yes, the Toshiba's are the next best thing to the Sammy 85 series and the Panasonic, at least that seems to be the general feeling of those who have seen all of them. All of the above have the HD2+ chip. |
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JDS Unregistered guest | Look at the Mitsubshi WD 52525. I have had this set since November and PQ is simply spectacular. The screen has some glare and the fans make some noise, but in the end the PQ, especially with HDTV is jaw dropping even after almost 5 months of viewing. |
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New member Username: JestaPost Number: 5 Registered: Mar-05 | Although I am going with LCD  , after my research on DLP I found.. Picture: 1.Samsung (but with sync issues) 2. Toshiba, (picture not as sharp but no issues) Grab a toshiba |
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Anon2 Unregistered guest | Jeff Sanders New member Username: Q445187 Boise , Idaho Post Number: 4 Registered: Mar-05 Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 08:13 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you would have read my message above on this subject you would know there is NO FIX. There is currently only ONE Samsung DLP that has no video game issues, it is the HLP5067 (50"). This information came directly from the mouth of the guy (Derek the product specialist) at Samsung who is THE guy who tests video games on the Samsung DLP's. I have a HLN507 that they are replacing. Since you have a smaller one, if you want to replace yours with a HLP5067 you will have to pay the difference in price. Call 800-747-5618 |
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Anonymous | I recommend the sammy xx74 if your not going to play games. The only problem I have with my 5674 is I can't quit watching it!! |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | How about the Panasonic DLP, with no sync issues, no gaming lag, an absolutely gorgeous picture that, along with the Sammy 85 Series, is the best PQ on the market in HD, SD AND DVD, and has a great price of less than $2400 at Sam's Club? Seriously, I don't know what anyone is waiting for?!?! I have seen all of these sets; I researched for several months before making a decision. The Panasonic is the best deal on the market by far: top-echelon DLP at a bargain price! |
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M.A. Unregistered guest | After reading about Panasonics poor customer service, I would be reluctant about buying one of their products. None of the stores I have been in carry the Panny DLP, just the LCD so I can not compare yours with the Toshiba or Sammy 85 series. I am sure your Panasonic is a nice TV, especially since it has the 8 segment, 10800 rpm color wheel. I would like to see what Panasonic is going to do for all the people with the bulb issue before considering buying from them. |
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Anonymous | What size Panasonic are you talking about for $2400. I paid $2675 for my sammy 5674 and that included shipping to my house and no taxes. |
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Anonymous | Correction $2875 |
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Curious1 Unregistered guest | Great price on the 74! Where did you get that deal? |
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M.A. Unregistered guest | Digital 1234 has them for 2747.77. Not sure about the shipping though. Here's the link. [link removed](16:9) |
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Anonymous | anonymous that is the set i am looking for where did u get if u don't mind me asking |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | Well, if we're talking about buying online, then you can get the Panasonic for about $2200 total (including shipping). I don't really recommend buying DLP's online because a few people are really bothered by rainbows (not seeing them at the store is NOT a proof that you won't be bothered by them at home). But anyway, I think the 74 series is pretty good too, and if you want a bigger screen than 50", the Sammy 85 or 74 series, or the Toshiba's with the HD2+ chip are the way to go. There is a Panasonic 60" DLP but it is extremely hard to find, and I think they stopped making it a few months ago already. |
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Anonymous | Anonymous I bought sammy 5674W from Intech Inc., 270F Duffy Ave., Hicksville, NY. 11801, Fax #516-931-1020 Atten. Ken. The deal went smooth. After reviewing my invoice here's what I got - sammy 5674W = $2975, Matching Stand $395, Addition 4 Warrenty $275 which is a total of 5 years of warrenty. Shipping was included and no taxes. I saved a lot of money and there were no problems. Ken responded to every email I sent and answered all my questions. This is not an online store to my knowledge. I don't want to post Ken's email thats why I gave the fax only. Good luck Anonymous. |
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Anonymous | Anonymous this is a retail store do u have a telephone number for customer service i just went to tweeter last night i got it down to 3499 that's it i know i can pay less |
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Anonymous | Anonymous Send a fax to the number above Attn. Ken Yokel and tell him what you want to buy and give him your email. He will get intouch with you. Good Luck. I love my 5674 and I am sure you will to! I think to get the prices i quoted you have to buy all 3 items. I wasn't sure I wanted the matching stand but it's really nice. It's a custom fit for that model only. |
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New member Username: Kxvlad47Brooklyn, NY USA Post Number: 2 Registered: Mar-05 | M.A. You have mentioned in your post the Digital123.com web site. Do you or anyone else know anything about that store and if it is safe to buy something as expensive as TV from them? |
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DLP4me! Unregistered guest | It's a safe online source! There are many good reviews listed on Pricegrabber when they feature the store. There is a store rotation, so, seeing them listed is hit and miss. Shipping is a little steep, but the price makes up for it. |
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M.A. Unregistered guest | Vlad T, I have not purchased anything from Digital 1234, and they are not listed on CNETs certified sellers list. However, here's a link to a list of CNET certified sellers. I have had good luck with CNET's certified sellers in the past with stereo equipment. One note of advice here, don't go with the cheapest seller. In my past experience the cheapest price was usually a big comprimise in customer service and prompt shipping. http://shopper.cnet.com/Samsung_HLP5674W_-_TV_-_projection_-_56/4014-6484_9-3114 4125.html |
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DLP4me! Unregistered guest | Quite a flip-flop there, M.A. Still very good information, though! Digital 1234 is currently sold out of the P5674. |
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Anonymous | CONSUMERS UNIT! If you purchased an LG RU-52SZ61D 52" DLP television and thought it had the newer HD2+ DLP inside, please contact the Competition Bureau of Canada immediately at: compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca .....you may be eligable for a cash settlement from LG Canada!<br> <br> Please read the following:<br><br> I purchased an LG RU-52SZ61D 52" DLP television via special order from Futureshop on November 6th, 2004 based on the component specifications that were advertised on the Futureshop web site and the LG Canada web site, and after receiving the product it came to my attention that the newer HD2+ DLP technology that was advertised as being in the product was not so, due to what I felt was an inferior picture quality. <br> <br> I challenged both Futureshop and LG Canada on what I suspected was older technology that was used inside of this product and they both "assured" me that this was not the case and that the product did indeed have the new technology inside as advertised. The LG representative, even went so far as to say that the older technology version of the product (there were two releases of the product - one with the old HD2 DLP chip and .155mm screen and one with the newer HD2+ DLP chip and a .098mm fine pitch lenticular screen) was never even brought in to Canada as they waited for the new release before bringing the product into the country. <br> <br> Not really believing either of these company's spokespersons, I had LG Canada send the product's serial number to the manufacturer in Korea. A representative of the manufacturer, emailed me to confirm my suspicions as to the inferior components used in the product, based on the detailed serial number records they keep, indicating all components used in the product's manufacture. He also indicated to me that the "advertised" .098mm fine pitch screen was never incorporated into this particular product either! It was only produced with the lower quality .155mm screen....... another false specification passed on to us consumers by LG Canada!<br> <br> Now, here is where it gets really interesting......After learning this, LG Canada called me to thank me for bringing this matter to their attention and offered me some "LG promotional trinkets" to consider keeping this older technology version of the television. When I refused to accept this offer and pushed them to exchange my TV for one that had the advertised components inside, they flat out refused indicating that this product was not available via LG Canada due to the logistics and expense that would be incurred to bring in one piece from Korea to satisfy only me. <br> <br> The LG rep also indicated to me verbally that LG Canada had never ever received any of these newer version HD2+ DLP technology products in Canada! This means that they have been selling the older HD2 DLP technology stock they have in their warehouse as the newer HD2+ DLP technology through all of their Canadian Dealers, and the dealers have been advertising the product to the consumer as having this newer HD2+ DLP technology! <br> <br> WHAT A MAJOR RIP OFF TO ALL CONSUMERS WHO ALREADY PURCHASED THIS TV!<br> <br> Futureshop has agreed to allow me to return this product for a full refund, however I do feel victimized by this situation having to go through all of this ordeal with these companies for several months now and ending up back where I started - spending countless hours researching the web for product reviews hoping that this time what I purchase will be what it says it is. I am sure that all of the other customers that purchased this product would be very disgruntled and feel victimized as well after learning of this deceit from LG Canada and the dealers from where they purchased it.<br> <br> It should be noted that since sending LG Canada notification of my intent to contact the Competition Bureau of Canada (http://cb-bc.gc.ca/epic/internet/incb-bc.nsf/en/h_ct02141e.html), they have just recently updated their website to indicate the components used inside of the RU-52SZ61D 52" DLP television as being the older DLP technology! You can view this at: http://ca.lge.com/en/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategoryId=010301&categoryId=010301&parentId=0103&m odelCodeDisplay=RU-52SZ61D&model=Select+a+model<br> <br> I guess LG Canada is now finally admitting the truth about what it is that they are actually selling! Too bad for all of the consumers that already purchased this unit...<br> <br>Please forward this post to as many newsgroups as possible. Only by uniting together as consumers will we be able to make this company accountable for their false advertising! <br> <br> |
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iwantanewtv Unregistered guest | I'm stuck between the panny and the sammy 85. Both seem to be great dlps. I don't like the pedestal so I'm leaning toward the panny. The sales rep at BB told me that Samsung is coming out with the 85 without the pedestal. Does anyone know anything about this? |
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Anonymous | Not too sure about that but here are the upcoming DLPs from Samsung this year. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=207d8dc2cb98fabc8528622c197ba394 &threadid=493443 |
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Unregistered guest | I am looking to purchase as 50-52 inch LCD or DLP TV for use in a mostly glass room. I have looked at Sony, JCV, and RCA. Any suggestion of models with reduced glare that do well in brighly lit rooms. What are problems experienced with making such a large and maybe fragile purchase from a intetrnet provider? Have you had problems with service support? Also some comments about the expected life and difficulty of replacing the bulb in these TVs |
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DLP4me! Unregistered guest | I recommend the Samsung HLP5674W This is the best and brightest rear projection DLP on the market. (IMHO, of course) It will work well in any light. The screen isn't so reflective and glaring like others. The viewing angles are excellent left to right, but it needs to be at eye level as it looses the brightness looking up or down at it. The refresh rate is quicker than LCD, which matters when watching fast action scenes or news and market data crawls. It has more inputs than the 77 series taking it's place, including a computer monitor input. The 74 is without the unwanted internal digital tuner and CableCard slot found on the 77's. There are few if any production issues. The lamp is a Phillips 100-120 watt rated at 6k-8k hours and is easy to replace. Get an extended warranty no matter what you choose. All HD RPTV's are new inventions and we are the testing ground. 1-800 SAMSUNG first year warranty service is exceptional. Make sure the EW covers lamps or purchase an EW exclusively for lamps. Most buy this set online without difficulty. Cable sucks, mainly because of poor standard definition and inconsistant signal strength. Try a Samsung SIR TS360 Direct TV HD receiver. It's a fantastic match because it combines local off-air digital network signals, caught using an old style uhf antenna, with DTV programming into one easy guide. It also has an optical audio out for a Surround Sound system, which is a must for the perfect home theater experience. Digital 1234 has good reviews. Here are links. [link removed] ****************************************************************** |
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New member Username: Ml74Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-05 | I purchased the Samsung DLP HLP5063W in February from CC and it's already been serviced twice for powering off. Then, today I noticed what the service technician calls "a burn-in", although everybody says these TV's don't have burn-in problems. Some have referred to it as "smudging". At any rate, the service provider is going to replace the light engine and says the unit will be as good as new. The service company tells me that I can eliminate the smudging or burn-in by watching TV through component inputs instead of the DVI that was recommended by CC. They say this is because Comcast's HD box doesn't have a wide screen option and this causes the problem. Does anybody have an opinion on this or can you offer some advice as to whether I should get rid of the TV or Comcast? |
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Bronze Member Username: Rocker43Post Number: 33 Registered: Nov-04 | That burn in thing is a bunch of crap, if you ask me. DLP's don't do that.Not all hd is shown in 16:9, and unless you stretch the picture, you'll have bars on the side of the screen from time to time, no matter what. |
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New member Username: Ml74Post Number: 2 Registered: Apr-05 | I understand the bar issues. It's not that. |
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DLP4me! Unregistered guest | Mike, You are not dealing with a reputable service provider. The light engine has nothing to do with the screen blotch phenomena. The use of component cables has no bearing, either. It's a two layer screen being pulled together to the point of touching each other. These people you are talking to are lost balls. Call 1-800-SAMSUNG for factory authorized service. The 5063 has well known production issues. All are resolvable through 1-800-SAMSUNG factory warranty service. They are as follows: 1) Premature lamp failure due to Toshiba lamp in a Phillips light engine. Fix: Replace with a Phillips lamp. 2) Premature lamp failure due to rough shipping. Fix: Replace with a Phillips lamp. 3) Color wheel high pitched sound or screech sound. Fix: Replace with new air bearing frictionless color wheel. 4) Two layer screen drawn together by either warping, humidity, or static electricity creating a smudged or blotched effect. Fix: Replace with new two layer screen or newer single layer screen. These are the only known production issues with the HLP5063W. Other issues: While replacing a color wheel a tech damaged a pc board causing a mosaic effect. Probably a static discharge into the pc board. A loose lamp caused voltage arcing in the lamp socket rendering the socket unusable. The light engine was replaced in both cases. There is no burn-in on any DLP model because the display is nothing but reflected light from a micro-mirror device. Bars, network logos, and gaming constants cannot harm a DLP for this reason. Only displays using liquid crystals or plasma cells suffer these burn-in effects, however recent technological advances have reduced these occurances. |
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Anonymous | I'd like to state that I have had problems with the LG 52" DLP as well. I spent almost $3000 on it back in October and now it just sits in my living room not working. LG has been sending technicians to fix it with various parts, but I just can't wait until I can trade this TV in for a different model altogether. I really wish that LG would at least hurry in their decision to give me my money back! |
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Anonymous | Is there a real noticeable difference between the Sammy 85 and 74 series? The stats seem to show there would be (7 vs 6 color wheel, big diff in contrast ratio). I'd really like the 74 for space/logistics, but don't want to comprimise on quality too much. |
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FYI Unregistered guest | The 74 is a very nice display. You wouldn't see any difference if they were side by side. Contrast ratio numbers are subjective and overstated. |
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New member Username: HillladoKamloops, BC Canada Post Number: 4 Registered: May-05 | We have the Sammy HL-P5685W. This is one awesome TV. It was $3700 Canadian. Great picture and sound. |
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Unregistered guest | I recently bought a Mitsubishi 52725 and am experiencing a rainbow like effect where I see a red/green/blue stripe when either I blink or move my vision or when white /light objects in the picture are moving on the screen. Has anyone else had this experience? Is this supposed to happen? What can be done about it? |
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To RPTherapy Unregistered guest | You are one of the few people that see the "Rainbow Effect". It's actually a color triplet resulting from a slower rpm color wheel and your own rapid eye movement. Faster and higher segment color wheels have reduced if not eliminated this effect for most everyone. Take it back! Mitsu has a glaring screen anyway! Look for a Samsung HLR xx67 series. It comes in 50", 56", and 61" displays. It has a better chip and faster 2.6" seven segment color wheel turning at 10800 rpm. |
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Unregistered guest | Mitsubishi sent their tecnician out and he looked at it last nite. The tech said that afer 5 minutes he couldn't watch it because it was too much and neither should anyone else be compelled to do so. He made his report to Mitsubishi and they told him that is how the tv is made and it is normal. Its funny during my initial conversation with Mitsubishi's consumer relations dept. the tech said that he never heard of this problem, then changed it to he knew all about it and then his supervisor that was listining to the conversation denied that this condition could happen. The person I spoke to today said that they were already in contact with the store that I purchased it at and hopefully by Tuesday they would authorise it being returned. I hope they do otherwise I don't know what to do. I understand that samsung has a 5677 model just out...any info on that one? |
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To RPTherapy Unregistered guest | Yea, it's a very nice set too. It replaces the HLP5674 by adding a digital tuner and CableCard. It doesn't have the latest chip or light engine. Comes in 46" and 56" displays. Has a thin bezel. Uses the HD2+ chip. Has a six segment color wheel. However, the 67 has the newer chip and better color wheel. Here are the specs. |
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Unregistered guest | Spoke with Samsung Tech this morning, he said that there is a good posibility that even with the 6 or 7 color wheel I may still see the rainbow effect. He also said that if Mitsubishi said they never heard of this they were not being upfront about rainbows. I have a friend that just got a Samsung 4663 and I'm going to take a look at his model to see if I see any rainbows. That model should have the 7 segment wheel. Hope this is good. Tahnks for your help. |
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sonnybuck Unregistered guest | Hi, so which one should I get. The HL-R5667W or the HL-P5674W. I was just about to buy the HL-P5674W until I saw that the R5667W is suposted to have higher contrast ratio and faster color wheel. If that is true why does the P5674 have a higher retail price. need an answer asap, thanks. |
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FYI Unregistered guest | Read this thread! https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/139081.html |
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FYI Unregistered guest | Price is a funny thing! Do you mean online price or brick and mortar? http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?sort_type=price&masterid=5029645& isbn=&pid= http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?sort_type=price&masterid=8711908& isbn=&pid= |
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Willowgirl Unregistered guest | good god im scared .. was going to buy a dlp samsung ... now i just dont know what to do not sure of model no# .. its at Costco .. for 2499 with stand 50 inch |
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Willowgirl Unregistered guest | Really ?? so i should'nt bother with the samsung HD-DLP? been doing alot of reading up on the different tvs ... get mixed feelings on these and also the lcd's ... God who ever thought buying a TV would be just a big ordeal!? |
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Bronze Member Username: KlausHoliday, FL USA Post Number: 28 Registered: May-05 | Willowgirl: Beware that Dlp4Rme is an imposter who has been printing bogus posts all through these threads. He is probably a school kid living with mommy, and the only Tv he watches is when they sit together after school to watch Opra! Look at all the sets and pick the one that you like. The new Samsung units are quiet, reliable, and rainbows are not an issue except for a few individuals. I myself can see them but eventually they become a non-issue. |
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Unregistered guest | I just got back from my friend who has a Samsung 4663 with the 7 segment color wheel. Picture looked great, watched the Indy 500 on it so there was alot of movement going on. I am aparently one of those persons that can see the rainbows and when it came to this model, I only saw minimal rainbows, no where near as much as on the Mitsubishi and as Klaus said it really became a non issue for me as well. It was so minimal that I will probably go with the HLR5667WX model as it would fit my cabinet and it too has the 7 segment color wheel spinning at 10,800 rpms. As far as noise, the fan ran nice and quiet...not noticeable at all. As far as Mitsubishi and their customer relations staff, they need to learn to get their stories straight. They keep saying that they contacted the store that I purchased the Mitsubishi at but the store has no record of the calls. They told me that they would authorise the return by Tuesday, but have yet to come thru on their word. |
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Anonymous | angelo guarino Silver Member Username: Angelog Post Number: 112 Registered: Nov-04 Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 11:09 am: videobruce >> rainbows No rainbows seen on the new HL-Rxxx67's so far .. though I do remember seeing them on the xxx63's before. Never saw them on the Cpt. Kirks. xxx67's has a 7 segment wheel and the HD4 chip (faster chip), 2500:1 contrast ratio. Also, I have to say that the Sammy is quieter than the JVC and turns on and off very quickly .. though they placed the IR sensor in the middle/bottom, so you can't put a center speaker in front of the base like I did on the JVC. Ang |
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Also-Anon Unregistered guest | Don't get fooled into believing that the new HLR sets 'don't have rainbows'. I can assure you they do. I've looked at 3 HLR sets now, and can see rainbows on all of them. I have yet to see a DLP that doesn't. It's all a matter of whether YOU see them or if they bother you. Ultimately (and logically as well), the speed of the color wheel just seems to decrease the width of each color stripe when you do see them - making them less bothersome. The rainbow situation is funny. A lot of people claim that only a small percentage of the population can see them. I have yet to physically meet someone who can't. Heck, once I showed my wife how, she could see them too. Just blink and dart your eyes around a bit on a high contrast screen. They are most noticable in high contrast areas - like white vertical stripes on a big black background, and in darkened rooms (which is also why you are less likely to see them in the store). If you can tolerate them, go for it. If not, go with another technology. Samsung doesn't have a magical cure. Also-Anon |
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Anonymous | Don't get fooled into believing the above post. Go see the new models for yourself. If you don't see a color triplet, you won't ever see it. LCD advocates have hyped this rare condition greatly. |
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Also-Anon Unregistered guest | Geez Anon...how childish can you be? Open your mind a bit and stop making assumptions. You sound like one of those Dodge truck owners that hate people who own Fords and Chevys. I can't believe the level of childish behavior on these boards. I'm not an LCD advocate, and I'm not trashing DLP. I am actually a happy DLP owner. I'm just realistic. I didn't see rainbows at first either, but now I see them all the time. I know many others who now see them as well. However, I can live with them because I still like the DLP picture better than LCD. Rainbows are a fact of life with single chip DLP. It all comes down to whether you can see them and if so, whether they bother you. In essence, we're saying the same thing. Anyone who is interested in the new sets should go take a look. I would just suggest some additional tests to see if the rainbows will bother you. Try different lighting conditions, images, etc. You should evaluate DLP for yourself and make an informed decision. You shouldn't rely on the overly argued opinions on this board. If you like DLP, GREAT. Also-Anon |
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Bronze Member Username: KlausHoliday, FL USA Post Number: 36 Registered: May-05 | Be aware that room lighting conditions have a huge impact on the rainbow phenom. I keep low level ambient light at night and it also helps with normal eyestrain. During the day rainbows are virtually a non-issue. Also just as you can train someone to see rainbows, you can learn to minimize the effect as well. It works kind of like ignoring a ringing in your ears, eventually it becomes a background effect. |
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MikeHD Unregistered guest | To the above post I've seen quite a few LCD's and i can say they suck. I love the fact with dark scenes the image is grey instead of black and the colors are dim and look washed out. To everyone else.. I'am right now looking into getting a new 46" set but not sure which one. i see that sammy has two 46" models that are currently for sale but can't make my mind up. One is the HL-R4667W with the 7 segment wheel and 2500.1 and the HL-R4677 that's priced higher with the 6 segment wheel and 2000.1. Which is better? and does anyone know if any sets are being produced with the hd4x with a 46" and 10,000.1? maybe i should wait? Thanks.. |
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Anonymous | My Toshiba 46HM94 was great performer. Very satisfied with HD and DVD picture. But lamp blew after less than 7 months! And was set to low "natural bright" for "extended lamp life". Ha. So, what is normal lamp life? Toshiba says they will replace the lamp because TV is not yet one year old. That is, they would if they had one. They don't. I suppose these lamps are crashing faster than they can be replaced. If they crash twice a year, this DLP tech value is compromised. The lamps are over $250. Meanwhile, my expensive DLP is now living room sculpture for the unknown future.... |
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Anonymous | What's up with the SHOUTY kid that calls himself DLP4RME!, but slams DLP and advocates LCD? Is this a disturbed individual or what? Dude...if you want some credibility, better unlock the caps lock and call yourself something else. Mike HD, The R67's have the new HD4 chip and floating screen. The R77's have the older HD2+ chip and the thin bezel. I don't think one's picture looks any better than the other's, but the style is sure different. No xHD4's on the market yet. The new 1080P will be nice, though. |
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Bronze Member Username: KlausHoliday, FL USA Post Number: 38 Registered: May-05 | Anonymous : As has been posted earlier: Beware that Dlp4Rme is an imposter who has been printing bogus posts all through these threads. He is probably a school kid living with mommy, and the only Tv he watches is when they sit together after school to watch Opra! Both of the sets that you mention should be really good. I have the HLP4674, and it has been flawless since early November. Hd quality is superb, DVD from a Panasonic E55 recorder is near HD quality, and SD cable is very acceptable, especially since recently Brighthouse has seemed to address the quality of their SD channels, possibly due to complaints from new HDTV owners. My friend has theolder hlp5063 and it has been an excellent performer, only needing the older color wheel upgraded to the new air bearing model. |
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Bronze Member Username: Dlp4meDallas, Texas Post Number: 12 Registered: May-05 | Anon said, "Is this a disturbed individual or what?" Disturbed is an acurate description! He's a Sony LCD zealot who's been trying unsuccessfully to impersonate Klaus and myself in his effort to discredit DLP technology and talk up Sony LCD. The moderator has been pulling his harrassing threads and a few of his posts. There has been and always will be only one true DLP4me! I actually own and support DLP. |
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Bronze Member Username: VideobruceBuffalo , NY Post Number: 48 Registered: Nov-04 | "The best DLP is the one NOT bought, unless you want to risk dizziness, headaches, and eyestrain LCD is today's winning technology SONY 55" LCD is pretty good for most" You really can't give a whole lotta credit to someone who doesn't post at least a user name, not that would of made much difference with ludicrous statements like those! |
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Bronze Member Username: VideobruceBuffalo , NY Post Number: 49 Registered: Nov-04 | Hey, kid, go back a nd play with your video game. |
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Bronze Member Username: KlausHoliday, FL USA Post Number: 43 Registered: May-05 | Yay! loks like Admin again pulled the bogus posts by THE CAP_LOCK KID! or maybe he joined the Rainbow Coalition. |
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joe peschi Unregistered guest | klaus-you have to admit that the guy had a valid point,the one that got the posts deleted. i have to agree when he says no one should have to live with rainbows,or you will get used to them. that is a little far fetched. in the end ,it is what is better for you,but your hype is a little far-fetched. |
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Bronze Member Username: KlausHoliday, FL USA Post Number: 49 Registered: May-05 | Hey Joe, or should I say DLP4Rme imposter! I find it interesting that you take the name of another little puke character. I make no claims , just state facts. Glad to see you are finally able to take off the cap lock. |
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Mikey V Unregistered guest | DLP - You mentioned one of the known defects is a 'smudging' effect with a two layered screen. I had this, but I simply used a cloth and gently pushed on the screen in that area. The two sheets were placed back together correctly and have been fine since. Is there a chance it will come back? Thanks, you know your stuff! First time I've heard that comment and it's dead on. PS - Great TV!!! |
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Bronze Member Username: KlausHoliday, FL USA Post Number: 58 Registered: May-05 | If you have the HLP5063 set there is a single layer screen which fixes the problem. I have the hlp4674 and the service guy came out and verified that there is no single layer screen for this model. It also requires a full disassembly to change. Since wiping with a soft cloth or waiting for 1 hour fixes my set, I decided to leave well enough alone for now, maybe they will come up with the single screen. 2 weeks ago I used Invisible Glass spray cleaner and the smudges are still gone. |
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Bronze Member Username: Dlp4meDallas, Texas Post Number: 13 Registered: May-05 | Thanks Mikey V, Glad that worked out for you. It might come back. Just put the Klaus move on it. If it gets annoying, they have a fix. I still have my 63. It's fabulous! Happy viewing! |
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KENNETH LAY Unregistered guest | Once again,all the dlp defects are being blown off by Klaus,and DLP4me!,and every thing is rosy in dlp land-now we can add smudging to the rainbow,fan and color wheel noise. |
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Bronze Member Username: KlausHoliday, FL USA Post Number: 60 Registered: May-05 | Nice to see that our imposter is back for a short while. Now at least you are closer to your scamming self using Kenneth Lay as your alias. Maybe you can sell people on LCD the way your predesessor sold out those poor Enron stock holders and employee stock plan recipients! |
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Dlp4Rme! Unregistered guest | "Once again,all the dlp defects are being blown off by Klaus,and DLP4me!,and every thing is rosy in dlp land-now we can add smudging to the rainbow,fan and color wheel noise. " Have to agree,KEN,-dlp technology is far from perfected. probably on the bottom of the tecnology ladder,with ghosts,smudging,rainbows,color wheel,and fan noise. some would make you think you have to live with it-but like a crack house in the neighbor hood,it will soon get shut down,and be over. |
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Bronze Member Username: Chopper414New York, New York Post Number: 55 Registered: Sep-04 | Magazine - Sound & Vision: June 2005 DLP vs. LCD DLP wins, according to (3) Video experts, David Ranada, Al Griffin, and David Katzmaier. All (3) recommend , and prefer the DLP technology, as do I. DLP had fewer problems with critical program material compared to LCD. LCD: Bright blacks (Blue tint background) "Dirty-screen" effect (fixed-pattern noise) Screen door effect DLP: Better contrast(most crucial) Deeper black (Better dark backgrounds) Better picture detail Picture unifomity (scored equally) Makes you wonder why large movie theaters prefer DLP techology...Hmmmm... |
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DOCTOR TRUTH Unregistered guest | Magazine - Sound & Vision: June 2005 DLP vs. LCD LCD wins, according to (3) Video experts, David Ranada, Al Griffin, and David Katzmaier. All (3) recommend , and prefer the LCD technology, as do I. LCD had fewer problems with critical program material compared to DLP. DLP: Bright blacks (Blue tint background) "Dirty-screen" effect (fixed-pattern noise) rainbows,color wheel noise,fan noise,clay face,smudging. LCD: Better contrast(most crucial) Deeper black (Better dark backgrounds) Better picture detail Picture unifomity (scored equally) Makes you wonder why large movie theaters prefer LCD techology...Hmmmm... WHICH MAGIZINE DID YOU READ,CHOPPER? GROW UP ,AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO EDIT,OR SPIN,DO IT RIGHT! |
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Bronze Member Username: Chopper414New York, New York Post Number: 56 Registered: Sep-04 | Doctor truth, Can't you read? It's called Sound & Vision (June 2005)Subject: DLP vs. LCD What the hell does growing up has to do with the subject at hand? Do what right? Edit what? Spin? These are the facts...Just because you own a LCD unit, it's not the end of the world. |
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Bronze Member Username: VideobruceBuffalo , NY Post Number: 65 Registered: Nov-04 | Where is the D_ILA in that mix? |
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Bronze Member Username: KlausHoliday, FL USA Post Number: 62 Registered: May-05 | Chopper: Doctor Truth is a little momma's boy school kid who either hijacks other peoples logins, or other lame names. He is also Kenneth Lay above. He has mostly learned where the cap lock key is now, but sometimes has relapses. The only LCD he probably has any real experience with is the one on his Mickey Mouse Wrist Watch. The BB admin are doing a good job at cleaning out his posts. |
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Bronze Member Username: VideobruceBuffalo , NY Post Number: 67 Registered: Nov-04 | This forum hsa two issues; Firs,t it allows ANYONE to post, Second, it has login issues since it is NOT W3C complaiant and fails both validation pages; http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/ http://validator.w3.org/ |
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Bronze Member Username: Chopper414New York, New York Post Number: 57 Registered: Sep-04 | Why can this forum be used to provide accurate information to those who are asking for it? I don't have time to play with "Little momma's boy school kid." Thanks, Klaus, I was wondering why his caps lock was incaged. I guest he couldn't find the key. |
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New member Username: EternalPost Number: 3 Registered: Jun-05 | I start to read a post and then if it degenerates into stupidity I ignore it. I liked the D_ILA when I viewed it (many times) but I kept coming back to the Toshiba. Black was black. And contrast seemed right. Plus I didn't care for the big blue light at the bottom of the base. It was distracting in the least. |
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Anonymous | You're that disturbed unregistered hi-jacker! Hey, DLP4RME!/LCD4ME!/KLAUSS/MISH/MITSIBUSHY/ KENETH LAY Sony sucks! Don't let that screen door hit you in the face! Retarded idiot! |
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Padre Unregistered guest | In Vancouver, BC Canada, BB has a Sammy HLR4264 DLP on sale for CAD1,999.99. Sales guy claims it just came in - that BB is the first to get its mitts on these. Am unable to find anything on the web other than Samsung.ca. Believe it has an HD3 chip - but why would a new model have that chip which may be inferior to an HD2+ other than to get rid of unwanted inventory??? Anyway, can anybody shed light on this? Am looking to get something under 50" - room not big enough for anything bigger. Suggestions welcome. Thanks. |
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Bronze Member Username: KlausHoliday, FL USA Post Number: 70 Registered: May-05 | Padre: I think you will find it is the Canadian version of this set. Biggest difference from the bigger screen versions is that it does not use the fine pitch screen. That may not be such an issue with the smaller size screen. |
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Jonathan G. Unregistered guest | I work at an audio/video store (not part of a national chain) and we carry both Samsung and Mitsubishi DLP's. In my experience, the Mitsubishi DLP overall has better picture quality, particularly when it comes to color. Colors look more natural and less cartoonish than with the Samsung. Also our custom installers have less dificulty programming universal remotes to work with the Mits' than they do with the Sammy's (discrete codes). I would recommend to anyone that is interested in buying a new DLP to give Mitsubishi some serious consideration! |
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Anonymous | The Mitsu's user settings may be better calibrated out of the box. If you adjust the Samsung user settings you will see that it has a very nice picture. Take the contrast to 90 and turn the color down to 40 and the sharpness down to 20. I think you will find the color to be very natural. In my opinion, Mitsu has issues with their screens glaring and reflecting windows and lamps. |
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Unregistered guest | I just noticed that Digital1234.com has a 62" Toshiba 62HM84 DLP set at a great price($1977.00). Does anyone have any info or comments on this set. I have learned a lot of valueable information from your posts tonight. I appreciate everyone's expertise. |
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Silver Member Username: Kdog044Post Number: 153 Registered: Feb-05 | confusedbutlearning, It's a decent set and the price is good. Here are a few reviews on the same model in the 52". http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptvreviews/toshibadlptv.html I own the 62HMX94 myself. |
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Silver Member Username: FyiDallas, Texas Post Number: 154 Registered: May-05 | I'm starting to find a few 1080P Samsungs out there. No 67's or 71's yet. http://www.electronics-expo.com/product.jsp?x=HLR6178W&zipz=11001 http://www.onecall.com/ProductDisplay.mpt?ProductID=27207&FEID=130&PMNID=838 http://www.crutchfield.com/S-tU0HsGTs6Aj/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=305HLR5078 http://www.preferredphoto.com/product.asp?id=sahlr5668w&l=DigitalSaver&ds_ref_ke y=CAJHFGCOBCOBCDIDJD http://datavisioncomputer.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/bestprice.d2w/report? prrfnbr=1249625&site=PRGB&sgname=2005-07-11-06.42.24.921001 |
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bones-H3 Unregistered guest | I am looking to buy a rear projection tv. The Panasonic 60" rear projection LCD has caught my eye (Costco has on sale for 2500) but I was trying to find the difference btwn that and a Samsung DLP. My kids play alot of X-box and we watch a lot of DVDs so which would be better or is there a better set out there. I am not looking to spend my kids inheritance but do not want junk either |
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New member Username: SteveaPost Number: 4 Registered: Jun-05 | Since Toshiba finally fixed "an issue" with my 52HM84, I'm totally behind this DLP technology. No problems with color wheels, "smudging," fan noise, rainbow effects, "dithering artifacts," or any other quality issue I can think of. SD programs are very watchable, HD is very good, and DVD thru the HDMI setup is absolutely stunning. |
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