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New member Username: TinogtzPost Number: 3 Registered: Mar-05 | Hi everyone: I have I problem and I hope someone can help me, last month I bought a 46" Samsung DLP rear projection TV. The TV is great for the price. Everything was ok, the picture, the sound. But the problem began when I tried to play my Playstation 2 in the TV. I press a button and the action came with a delay. This really made me angry because I couldn't play the games right. I made I phone call to Samsung and the people there told me that the problem can be result by connecting a video component cable in the PS2 . Yesterday I bought the cable and the image now is better than ever but the problem still the same I cant play my video game in this TV without the delay. Can someone tell me if I can fix this. It's really a problem. Regards |
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Silver Member Username: Mr_lynchSeattle, WA Post Number: 645 Registered: Sep-04 | It is a well documented problem with Samsung DLP sets. Some of the newer models have resolved the problem, but it is very common in most HLN/HLP models. If you have tried component cables and still have a problem there is not much you can do. I had a HLP5085 for a week and I had the same issue. The only solution I found was to return it and get a JVC Dila. |
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FYI Unregistered guest | WRONG Lynch! Go into the PS2's menu and change to progressive scan mode. Note: It only works with games that operate in progressive scan mode. |
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Silver Member Username: Mr_lynchSeattle, WA Post Number: 648 Registered: Sep-04 | FYI, Since not all game support it, turning on progressive scan will not fix the problem. Samsung DLPs sometimes still have a lag problem even with progressive scan games. I've seen and heard many reports of people even having lag issues with 720p Xbox games connected with Component cables. It is just another DLP issue that Samsung has been dragging their feet on. I know they have been "working" on it and even have eliminated it in a few newer models, but that does not do many of the previous buyers any good. I would like to add that if you can get games to run smooth, the Sammy DLPs are a kickass set to play on. Games play fine on my friends HLP4663, but the HLP5085 I had was full of issues, so I know it doesn't effect every set in the same way. |
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FYI Unregistered guest | I agree completely! |
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JDAce1 Unregistered guest | What Samsung models with DLP technology don't have the video game lag problem? I was about to purchase a Samsung DLP projection because I love the picture, but recently found out about this computer lag and a/v synch problems. The salesman at Best Buy recently told me that if you do any gameplay on a projection TV that a DLP model is the only way to go. Any suggestions?? |
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Reply to JDAce1 Unregistered guest | The HLP5067 and 5677 will do fine for gaming! |
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New member Username: TinogtzPost Number: 4 Registered: Mar-05 | Mr Lynch I have the HLP4663 model and still have the problem. Do you think it can be fix? Thanks |
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Silver Member Username: Mr_lynchSeattle, WA Post Number: 708 Registered: Sep-04 | If you use component cables and still have problems there isn't much you can do that I know of. MAybe you can exchange it for another set. The problem doesn't seem to effect every set the same way. |
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New member Username: TinogtzPost Number: 5 Registered: Mar-05 | Hey: I enter to the Samsung site and I couldn't find the HLP5067, does this model exist? Or you're talking about the HLP5063? Are you really sure this TV doesn't have the problem? Wich one the HLP5067 or the HLP5063 , Does anybody else knows if this is true? |
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To Florentino Unregistered guest | It's true! http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?sort_type=price&masterid=6691464& isbn=&pid= |
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New member Username: TinogtzPost Number: 6 Registered: Mar-05 | Thanks Does anybody Knows if the HLP5063, also have the delay problem? |
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To Florentino Unregistered guest | Some do...some don't! Component cables and setting the game box to progressive scan has worked for some with the 4663 and the 5063. Only works with games that support progressive scan, though! |
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seandaly Unregistered guest | My HLP-5063 also has this problem... I've tried EVERYTHING! Component, S-vid, RCA, progressive scan on and off, everything! The problem stems from the conversion process... The TV (mine and most other high-def's) converts everything to its native resolution of 720P. The same issue that causes you to have sound sync issues with various signals causes this issue with gaming consoles. For the most part, native output on these gaming consoles is 480P at best. The monitor still has to up-convert the signal to 720P, which might take up to 500ms... Doesn't sound like much time, but 1/2 second playing a game is IMPOSSIBLE to deal with. The next generation of gaming consoles will almost definitely support newer resolutions (480I, 480P, 720P, 1080I and 1080P), which should help with this problem. I had the same problem with my pioneer progressive scan DVD player. The sound was WAY off... I went out and on a whim decided to try one of the new Samsung up-converting progressive scan DVD players with DVI. When I changed the output of the DVD player to 720P, the sound delay was gone completely. (Although the picture on my 480P pioneer is 10X better than the Samsung). The less conversion that needs to happen, the better off you are... Another example: My high-def cable box supports output resolutions of 480I, 480P, 720P and 1080I. The installer was insistent on setting it up as 1080I, even though my Samsung had a native resolution of 720P. Picture looked great but I had MAJOR sound sync issues... Some channels were worse than others. I tried to change the set-top box to 720P, but the $100 monster component cables (or the component inputs on the Samsung) couldn't handle the signal, so I have to run it across a DVI cable (which is also what my DVD player uses). I've got a fix in place where I run the high-def tuner on DVI, run the DVD player using a DVI-to-HDMI cable using the HDMI input on the back of the Samsung. Only problem is, the HDMI input has no separate sound inputs (HDMI is designed to carry sound too). So if I want to watch DVD's, I must use the sound system. (Not so bad). A few more years and they will get it right... |
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Klaus Unregistered guest | When picture delays happen try going into the menu and turn off any picture processing options. On Samsung these will be DNIE and digital noise reduction. I have found that this helps on component inputs many times. I have never tried it with games though. Anything that uses a lot of signal enhancement will cause picture lag. When you think about it, video games should not require much enhancement. |
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TRAVERS Unregistered guest | UPON BUYING A REAR PROJECTION,MY MATES TELL ME THAT PS2 DAMAGES THE TV..... TRUE OR FALSE |
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Silver Member Username: Mr_lynchSeattle, WA Post Number: 743 Registered: Sep-04 | Travers- Rear Projection CRT sets can be damaged from having a static image left on the screen for too long (health bar, score in video games). It is called burn in. Rear projection LCD, LCoS and DLP do not suffer from burn in. You can play games all you want with out any problems. If you bought a RP CRT, play with caution, but if you have a LCD, LCoS or DLP game on!! |
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DrewDrums Unregistered guest | The samsung tv's might not work great for todays model of consoles but with the combination of HDMI outputs and 720P standard programming this should solve the problem right? |
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Unregistered guest | Two days ago I was about to buy a samsung hlp4663, but after reading all that is wrong with them, i decided that i should buy the warrenty before i made a 2 thousand dollar investment. Now, I am reading that there is a problem that a warrenty wont even fix when trying to play games.........the whole reason I was GOING to buy the freakin thing! I am so tired of piece of s**t consumer products that come out these days. I have had the same mitsu big screen since '89...thats right, not a typo....89! No problems. I still have my old school NES....no problems. My xbox broke in a year and a half and now im finding out my future tv will too......and there is nothing I can do about it. Maybe if samsung didnt rush the technology out to the shelves, and, you know, actually TESTED their junk before they rob (i tried to use a more appropriate word here but the forum would not let me) people of their hard earned money i would be a happier person. But for now it looks like im stuck with a 14 year old tv with a slight convergence problem. Thanks for nothing technology. |
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Anonymous | I bought the cables for my PS2 the other day and connected them to my Samsung DLP TV and when i turn on my tv nd set it to component 3, I get a msg. that says "Not supported mode"..And also, where do you turn on progressive scan in the PS2 menu. I cannot find anything about progressive scan in the PS2 menu. |
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FYI Unregistered guest | YOUR FIRST MISTAKE WAS TRYING TO GAME ON A DLP 1-CAN YOU EXCHANGE IT FOR A LCD PROJECTION-WORKS MUCH BETTER 2-I SENT MY SAMMY BACK AND GOT A XS 60-VERY HAPPY. DLP SUCKS-IMHO-COULD NOT TAKE THE RAINBOWS,FAN NOISE AND COLOR WHEEL NOISE. |
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FYI Unregistered guest | Why are you hi-jacking my user name and others? Can't you come up with your own? |
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Ediblesky Unregistered guest | Iam buying a Samsung HL-R6167W and am getting nervouse with all these problems, is it worth buying? |
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Anonymous | Helpful Smurf New member Username: Helpful_smurf Post Number: 3 Registered: Jun-05 Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 10:56 pm: Got my HLR5067W today! WOW! What a picture! The wife and I sat and tweaked it as we watched Star Wars (a movie we've seen about a zillion times) this evening till we got the settings the way we liked them. Probably not the most scientific method but definitely the most satisfying. Definitely going to go for an upconvert DVD player, there are some artifacts viewing 480p on it on DVD. Mainly in background small details like grids in the Death Star sets. Foreground is all gorgeous. HD from cable is stunning and standard definition looks much better than I expected. Best of all my Playstation 2 games all look freaking awesome on it. I did have one scary moment when I first set it up and turned it on. It was all black screen with white lines running vertical across it. I shut it off for a few minutes and tried again. Same thing. I called customer support at Samsung and while on hold I tried again and picture came up immediately and has been fine ever since. I opted for all sound going straight through the set and out to the home theater receiver for ease of changing from source to source. I definitely need a Harmony remote now, too many remotes to keep straight! Happy Smurf CloakedHunter Unregistered guest Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 02:19 am: Well, I got my HL-R6167W yesterday. It's beautiful! I'm perfectly satisfied with the image quality. It looks very sharp in my opinion. Unfortunately, the only 720P content I have experimented with is a few Xbox games so far, but I hope to get some HD content from DirecTV soon. The vertical viewing angle is a pain at times, but that is understandable. Best of all, there is absolutely no lag/sync issues. I have tested it with both my Xbox and home theater system. It works just fine, with no lag at all. This was basically my only concern buying this TV, so I feel much better now. Anyway, excellent television, I love it! angelo guarino Silver Member Username: Angelog Post Number: 111 Registered: Nov-04 Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 11:57 am Just received my HL-R5667W last night. This is after a lot of research last year and owning a JVC for 6 months (but that is another story). Picture clarity is very good and sharp. I put the set thru DV Essentials .. it performed nicely and it was helpful in tweeking the set a bit. I had some HD content stored on PVR and the set is performing as well or better than the JVC in most areas. Very good dark performance (but the DVE disk helped tremendously in getting the brightness and contrast correct). The floating design is very attractive as well. The set turns on and off very quickly for a RPTV too. Angelo |
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New member Username: JamjoPost Number: 1 Registered: Jul-05 | Just received our HLR-6167 yesterday, hooked it up through our digital cable box and saw a very fuzzy, bluish picture on every channel. Tried adjusting color, and sharpening contrast etc., but nothing improved the picture quality. Could we be using the wrong cable? We are quite concerned now and have only a limited time in which to return the set. Please advise |
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Bronze Member Username: FyiDallas, Texas Post Number: 74 Registered: May-05 | Component cable conection or DVI/HDMI? If component, push them in farther. Sounds like the red (Pr) isn't making contact. If DVI/HDMI try component. Try RCA input for test. Try DVD player for a different source signal test. Try a different input. Try a different cable. |
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TINKLE Unregistered guest | allright, so I'm the new guy posting I've read everything and I'm a little confused...I've got the HLR-6167 and where some games are okay (madden) first person shooters even at 720 (Halo 2) are giving me horrible delay. Its a great TV otherwise, but I didn't hear much talk about the HLR-6167 till the last few posts. Is that a TV thats supposed to have problems with it? And when the next gen systems come out will that DEFINITELY resolve any issues? |
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Unregistered guest | i have a playstation scph-5001. how do i enabmle progressive scan mode? help |
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Bronze Member Username: Helpful_smurfPost Number: 39 Registered: Jun-05 | It's an option within most games, different from game to game. Load up a game and then go to the options menu and see if it is there. Some games will auto detect and offer it, others you have to look for it in options. I had an 1st gen PS2 and was able to do progressive scan in most newer games. Destroy All humans auto detected and offered. God Of War I had to do it under options. HS |
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New member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 8 Registered: Jul-05 | All these issues with $3000 TVs. I really think more then ever RP CRT is the way to go despite their weight (how often do they move?). NO resolution issues. NO bulbs to replace. NO expensive issues tried and true technology. If it works for 30 days it will work for years with very few exceptions. An inexpensive "wait and see" until DLP and other get it together and offer a more stable technology...with their resolution ,syncing and miriad of other issues. It never pays to be the first on the block with anything techo. The dissappointment lives long after the "wow" factor is gone. |
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Anonymous | "They don't make cathode ray tubes like they used to." This was a direct quote from a home service technician. My Sony CRT went south on the 14th month. Sony service didn't give a damn. Put some more in your bong, tom and read the CRT nightmare threads from Mits and Sony owners. Many more issues with those sets than any new technology. You're living in the past, dude. |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 11 Registered: Jul-05 | The CTR RP TVs are better then ever and smoke the new technology right now. THey are 1/3 the cost, hve better blacks, NO resolutuion issues,NO digital artifacts at fast movement, and they are much brighter then gthey were only a few years ago. Yes CRT"s are more expensive to make and ship,but for the forseeable future they are the way to go. THere aren't too many TV stattions switching form CRTs to the new technoloies yet. I wonder why. Actually I know why. Ask someone who paid $15,000 for a 36 " plasma 3 years ago if his picture is better then a RPTV. he will be lying if he says yes. DLP,LCD and PLasma are in their infancy and still have a way to go. I am of the opinion $1500 spent on a Large screen RPTV right now is a good way to enjoy the little HD has to offer as far as content while waiting for the thin TV technology to stabilize. IN two to three years you will be able to buy an imensely better digital TV for less then todays CRT RPTV and the then price put together over buying todays issue laden solutions. For those who need the "wow" factor, I don't mind you guys paying down the R& D costs at all. |
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Bronze Member Username: Helpful_smurfPost Number: 42 Registered: Jun-05 | You left out the major downsides of CRT, Burn In and convergence. CRTs burn in even worse than Plasmas so they should not even be considered for video gamers. And have fun with aligning the three guns constantly. If the pixels are not in perfect alignment, there goes your HD picture. Sounds like a resolution issue to me. Comparing CRT to Plasma is comparing apples to oranges anyway. The Video game issue with DLPs has not been proven across the board by any means and may well be entirely subjective. Many report no problems whatsoever and those that do seem to be limited to one or two games on current gen game units. HS |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 13 Registered: Jul-05 | Adjusting convergance on a RP CRT is a simple procedure and is done at less interval then replacing $300 bulbs. The gun alignment is also a rare event and does not need to be done except when moved. I have had a Toshiba 52 for going on 8 years now and there is no burn in issue even though Vgames where played on it. People have been playing video games on CRTs for years including PC Crts without the burn in issue except in very few cases. Burn in is just a scare tactic that has come to the surface today by the LCD and DLP makers to compete with Plasma. Its a non issue. All those issues are minor compared to the prices and the myriad of issue and work arounds needed for the digital sets...as well as the $300 bulbs needed each year. You make it sound as if RP CRTs are "constantly" needing adjustments and that is simply not true, It was not true 10 years ago and certainly is not true today. |
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Anonymous | You think you have an answer for everything, bong boy. All you really have is an opinion. You come on here touting and reccommending the latest CRT technology when your most recent purchase was a damned over-priced plazma. Your experience with CRT is a self-confessed ownership of a decade old Toshiba, probably on it's last days. Anyone can read these forums and form an opinion like yours. The trouble with that is these forums represent a small fraction of the overall market, usually the few with production defects. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to my opinion of your opinion. |
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Bronze Member Username: JimkwColumbus, Ohio USA Post Number: 54 Registered: Jun-05 | Hey Bong you really should quit saying the same thing over and over just so whoever this Anonymous is will quit making it worse. I really like looking at what problems people are having and hearing people like FYI and HelpfulSmurf helping them with their problems. You guys really are providing a service and I'm sure many appreciate your help. Thanks. |
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Bronze Member Username: Helpful_smurfPost Number: 43 Registered: Jun-05 | It's not a scare tactic. Burn-in IS scary and anyone who is looking at downsides over various Projection technologies should definitely be aware of it. CRTs have always be prone to Burn-In and CRT projection sets even more so due to the thin layer of phosphor used to produce the picture. The very front page of nearly every video game manual I own specifically warns against playing games on these type of projector sets. There is a reason why they are putting this disclaimer in the manual, to prevent claims against them from dimwitted CRT projo owners who trashed their sets playing video games on them. Come take a look at the back wall at my Best Buy and I'll show you Burn-In on CRT sets less than a year old just from running store loops on them. HS |
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Justin_P Unregistered guest | I just bought a Samsung HLR-5667w and I detect slight latency when playing videogames. I am running my gamecube via component cables, and in every game I play, there is a minute gap between button-press and screen response; The sound is also ever-so-slightly ahead of the action. I bought my $3000 headache at Frys 2 weeks ago, and I WILL be taking it back for a CRT. Any suggestions on a model? |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 14 Registered: Jul-05 | Good idea. Spend $3000 and have issues? TAke it back. But a RPCRT for $1000 and spend $1500 in two years on a hopefully then "fixed" DLP or LCos. AS for the rest of ya...... Say what you want. Burn in is a NON Issue. For YEARS many have had RPCRTs and there has not been a huge cry in the forums about burn in, NOr has the sales of the technology been tarnished by the so called burn in issue. People have been playing VGames on them for years as have I and yes there is a disclaimer as burn in MAY be an issue and the TV may be prone to burn in. I have not experienced such. My Toshiba is old and it still has a decent picture. However I am interested in HDTV and my research tells me DLP and LCD is NOT ready for prime time. I do not want to have to spend $300 a year for bulbs for a $3000 TV. The fast action on them is not as good as RPCRT. The colors arer OVER saturated and unrealistic. There ARE refresh issues with regard to V Games. The issues are not worth the extremily high cost. Of course manufacturers want us to buy them and pay for the R&D. They know how inexpensive it will be to "stamp" out those chips and screens in the furture at a higher profit vs the cost of assembling the better CRT TVs Yes I bought a 42" NOrcent Plasma for the Bedroom for less then $800 because of space issues. That TV is used less then 5 hours a week. Not to much to worry about there and a nice picture to boot. SO go ahead spend thousands on the latest and not so greatest. AS for me......I'll wait till the bleeding edge stops hemmoraging at your expense. |
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Bronze Member Username: Helpful_smurfPost Number: 44 Registered: Jun-05 | Lol. What a troll. Since when is 1987 technology the latest and greatest? HS |
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Allen P Unregistered guest | Most people don't buy a $3k high definition television to play silly games on. If that was the child's only complaint and reason for returning it, he deserves the hassle. These game boys that think their outdated toys should work flawlessly on upscaling RPTV's are not living in the real world, in more ways than one. CRT has nothing over any other display technology. It's got downsides and vulnerabilities like anything on the market. They still ride down a mass production assembly line, part automated, part human, and suffer the same intermittant glitches inherent of such mass produced merchandise. Some will last a long time and some will fail on the showroom floor. Some will weather the rough shipping and others won't fare so well. I've read so many threads about rear projection CRT failures that I would never be convinced that it's a superior technology. Only a fool would make such a claim about any display technology. |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 17 Registered: Jul-05 | IT would seem there are whole threads here wondering why after spending $3000 on a TV One cannot play V Games without latency issues. NO There are many who want to play VGames in HD. Who are you kidding? Walk into ANY major television studio and see what they are STILL monitoring on after all these years. Again CRT is still the best display technology. OF course the manufacturers would rather you belive different as in a few years after you pay for their R&D costs they will be printing out the LCDs and DLP components for practically nothing while the CRT which requires a lot more labor and parts is laid to reat except for the few who will be able to afford it then. Call me a fool. But CRT technology is still the best in my opinion and I thank you for paying for the R&D and "beta testing" the newer technologies which will be better and much less expensive. I stick with CRT technology for my main theater while you freak on finding stuck pixels and wonder why the sound is not matching the picture...or the fast action is pixelated...or your $200 bulb burnt out in the fourth quarter. Color wheels and thousands of tiny micro mirrors flipping thousands of times a second on tiny hinges? Yeah that sounds reliable. I'll take two. NOT. |
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Justin_P Unregistered guest | Most people don't buy a $3k high definition television to play silly games on. If that was the child's only complaint and reason for returning it, he deserves the hassle. These game boys that think their outdated toys should work flawlessly on upscaling RPTV's are not living in the real world, in more ways than one. Thanks, that really helps. As a matter of fact it was a hassle taking that 56incher back to frys; I had to borrow a company truck because It wouldn't fit in my carrera, nor my h2 (go figure on that one...) I'm currently looking at the Sony KD-36FS130 (crt) as a gaming set. My son says just get used to the DLP-lag and move on (yea right...) Can anyone suggest a primo crt set that I may be overlooking. thanks |
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Anonymous | Primo CRT? No such animal! |
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New member Username: KainanPost Number: 1 Registered: Aug-05 | I have mixed feelings in all of this. I am a proud owner of a Pioneer Elite PRO610 which is of course the old RPTV HDTV. DVDs look silky smooth. For this reason I can say that I am still one who would support someone buying a CRT RPTV IF (big IF) they aren't into gaming. I'm into gaming. I have friends calling me up to get on Xbox Live and play Halo 2 all the time so I spend a couple hours a day playing this game. Not every day but many days of the week. Before this I played Ghost Recon online. Now, if I were in the old days before online gaming then burn in wouldn't be an issue because I would conquer a game in a month or two (or sooner) and I wouldn't play it much more. With LIVE I'm now playing a game for around a year. I literally played GR for over a year and I've been playing Halo 2 since released. On to my point. I've replace my blue and green tubes already due to GR burn in. I was stupid and had this thought that burn in was an overblown myth that didn't really happen so I left my game on a lot even when not playing it. So I adjust my contrast down to look like crud for Halo 2 and don't leave it sitting. Even with this I now see a bit of the radar that is on the game. I can only see this when I am on a completely blue (bright blue) screen and it is faint but it is there. I'm now playing in 4:3 mode to burn in a different area until I sell my set and get something else that doesn't burn in. I fault two people for this. First I fault the game makers. You have a game like Halo 2 and you can't adjust the transparency or move the radar and other things? MS is pushing the FUTURE yet they have games that are prone to burn in for RPTVs (HDTV specifically since the games are in 480p at least). Second, it is the technology of RPTV. I want to move on and was JOYOUS about the thought of getting an awesome new 1080p Samsung but now I am at a loss. I'll have to research more to see if the LCDs have the same lag issues. One note. The odd thing is that my friend has a Samsung DLP he bought a year and a half ago and he has reported NO latency at all. He plays games even more than I do and 99% is online in shooters like Halo 2 so latency matters greatly. I told him about these reports and he was blown away. He said he hasn't seen a lick of latency. Just another opinion to throw into the mix. Anyway, I thought the NEW DLPs would be better but evidently they are worse if anything (for samsung anyway). I come to this conclusion after reading many threads on several sites. So now I ask, are the NEW LCDs worse too? How does LCD compare? They still have all of the video conversion so I would think it wouldn't be any better since what I hear is that all of the converting is what is causing the latency. |
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Bronze Member Username: Helpful_smurfPost Number: 46 Registered: Jun-05 | I'd pay closer attention to your friend's personal experience and less to random haters with an axe to grind on forums. Many of these posts are akin to PS2 vs XBox posts, some guy has an LCD and wants to try to ruin the fun for someone with a DLP or vice versa. My own experience with many different games is no lag. I really looked for it but have yet to experience it on any of my games. HS |
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New member Username: KainanPost Number: 2 Registered: Aug-05 | I talked with yet another gaming clan member last night who has a DLP and he agreed with my other buddy. He said that he hasn't noticed a single bit of lag and he has been on his DLP for almost a year. Just posting opinions and thoughts as I hear them. I figure people want as much info as they can get. |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 18 Registered: Jul-05 | Then again you can plop down $3k and take a chance! I for one am glad to have done the research on these boards when considering a DLP TV. For every complaint voiced there has to be at least 100 of the same out there not voiced. I would not want ANY doubts if spending that much on a Television. Did not have any when I bought the 52 Toshiba years ago. Certainly don't want any at three time the price today. Especially when having to spend perhaps another Thousand over the life (better be at least ten years) of the TV (after all the EW's uselessly flame out) for bulbs and color wheel motors. I will jump in when the initial R&D is paid for,the resolution issues resolved, the HD content increased in quality and quanity, and the prices are reasonable for a television, which in my world is less than $1500. In the mean time a good hold over for a great price is a 55 or larger HD RPCRT. |
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New member Username: KainanPost Number: 4 Registered: Aug-05 | Tom, One thing you have to realize is that the opposite of what you are saying is true as well but even more so. For every 1 complaint here there are likely thousands of extremely happy customers. I'm looking at the new Sony 60" RP LCD but haven't ruled DLP out yet. The thing we have to consider is that the people posting here are usually the videophiles and audiophiles (for the most part or at least wanna be). I've seen reviewers tear an HDTV apart in a review and I can't see 90% of the faults they mention. The thing that is keeping me from jumping all over a new Samsung right now is more about 1080p and the fact that this new model is a baby in that technology. I mean, there really isn't anything to watch 1080p, which means that everything is simply upconverted. I say simply when I know it isn't that simple and I'm not slamming the new Sammys. They very well may be the best out there (for non burn in HDTV) and I MAY end up owning one. I'm just trying to be unbiased and call things like I see them. By the way, did some of these people raise the prices on their new Sammys? I was looking at TV Authority on Monday and I could have sworn that the price was cheaper than it is now. I may be losing my mind due to reading too much about TVs. LOL! |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 22 Registered: Jul-05 | Anytime you have to "convert" digital information from it's native resolution it degrades resolution. Anyone who is familiar with PC technology knows this. There are to many issues with the digital TVs right now in my opinion and those who bought and paid $5K for one a few years ago have a worse TV then todays RPCRTs. Especially in fast motion. There are regular people like myself who are not videophiles (although I do work at a TV studio where CRTs still rule..go figure). I came here seeking information and realizing there are too many issues for such an expensive technology. Many I work with know alot about this stuff as well and feel the same way. Too many companies moving too fast to get consumer dollars before the technology is worthy. The "bleeding edge, look what I got" set will always have more money then sense and spend it when something new comes out. Good for them. They pay for the R$D costs. We NEED them. I just would hate to see someone who would not ordinarily spend $3K on a TV and expect 10 years of life out of one as has been usual get sucked into the hype and end up as disillusioned as many on these boards. |
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New member Username: JamjoPost Number: 2 Registered: Jul-05 | We have recently purchased our Samsung HLR-6167W and couldn't be happier. The HD channels are crisp and beautiful, and the features on this television are wonderful. Our children play X-BOX and Playstation and experience no problems whatsoever. I think the HLR series has finally worked out the bugs!! Buy one without fear GAMERS!! |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 24 Registered: Jul-05 | "We have recently purchased our Samsung HLR-6167W" The operative word....."recently" Give it time. |
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Silver Member Username: FyiDallas, Texas Post Number: 203 Registered: May-05 | tom said, "Anytime you have to "convert" digital information from it's native resolution it degrades resolution." Actually, that's not correct. Digital information was once analog in origin. when converted or digitized it became nothing more than 1's and 0's. If scaled it's still nothing more, and for that matter nothing less than 1's and 0's. Digital information doesn't degrade. If it becomes corrupt it will freeze, fragment, or disappear completely, but it won't degrade in resolution. tom, While you are very opinionated, you are not technically accurate. Offering up bogus assumptions only makes you look ignorant and taints anything else you have to say. |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 29 Registered: Jul-05 | TAke a look at any digital monitor forced to produce a resolution other then it's native resolution and you will see terrible edges. Digital information can indeed be degraded. The degradation is visible in the very symptoms you describe!!!YOU use the word corrupt....I use degrade. Different words same effect. All the converting needing to be done is an issue with these TVs as evidanced by the issues represented on these boards. Those one's and zeros are not easily converted without corruption and as with audio, in fact MORE extreme then audio, they have to be precise and the processing extreme. Anyone who has ever heard the degraded sound 8 bit vs 16 bit audio can plainly undestand conversion (resolution) is extremily important and requires expensive processing power and technology neither of which seems to be ready in today's digital TVs. As bad as CRTs are touted all of a sudden among the sef annointed vidiophiles. They are still the better technology for visual presentation. Much like analog recordings still were a few years after the 16bit brittle sounding CD came out. It took audio recording technology many many years to acheive the lifelike sound of seemless analog. It will take video much longer to do the same. I am of the thought that it will take three years or more for the technology to finally be ready for the masses...less then 10% of which now even have HD capable TVs or even signals available. There is not the quality content nor the stable technology in my opinion to make such an expensive purchase today. |
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Silver Member Username: FyiDallas, Texas Post Number: 206 Registered: May-05 | Your ignorance is astounding. Go back to school, tom. |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 31 Registered: Jul-05 | And you Keep spending your dollars and jsutifying it with your own brand of ignoance. You are doing all of us who can afford to wait a favor. I will thank you in 4 or so years for all your, contributions, diligance and defense of the indefensable so that I may enjoy a technology that is both wonderful and of great value. |
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Bronze Member Username: XgrizzlyxPost Number: 98 Registered: Jul-04 | lol i love when digital information defrags when watching, it such a wounderful picture :p |
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New member Username: JamjoPost Number: 3 Registered: Jul-05 | To Tom, You said that because I had only "recently" Purchased my HLR-6167 I just hadn't had it long enough to experience problems. I don't understand that way of thinking. Why would this TV change at all as long as it is hooked up the same and all other factors remain the same? It is clear you have a bone to pick with Samsung, or DLP process in general, but try to be less negative. My neighbor has had her HLR series since the week it was released, and she too has experienced nothing but quality and enjoyment. Her teen boys play the highest level of gaming equiptment on it and have no complaints. EASE UP!!! |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 39 Registered: Jul-05 | JOanna, I wish you well. But judging from the numerous threads on this and other boards regarding technological issues I have no faith in the technology after a year or two. Then again as evidanced by those who are posting when they do have an issue a "tech rep" comes out who has no clue and the manufacturer is not helping much either. NO I hope you have years of trouble free use. But if you had asked me before you bought your TV I am the lone wolf in the widerness crying wait...... Wait until there is quality content for which you need the technology. Wait until the format finds a home be it DLA LCos,DLP.LCD...and THAT technology is being refined NOT reinvented every year. WAit unti prices are reasonable....Come on $3000 for a TV? A TV that will need hundreds in bulb replacements over its still unknown lifespan???? The problem is factors do NOT remain the same. You have color wheels spinning (mechanical parts are always an issue for long term use) Thousands of tiny mirrors flipping back and forth on tiny hinges on a chip..(Another EXPENSIVE mechanical issue that scares me in the long run). Bulkbs that burn out especially from turing a set on and off a few times a day. In a bulb (and circuitboards) there are filiments (or traces) that expand and contract with heat and cool. Its NOT the hours that burn out a filiment. Its the breakdown of the compound be it (tungstun or copper traces) becoming brittle from expanding and contracting numerous times. Thats why a light always "pops" and burns out when you turn it on. The heat expands the filiment and opens it finally causing a bright arc then darkness. IF I had one of these Tvs I would be at a loss whether to keep it on or off as the wheel should not be turing all the time wearing out the bearings but the lamp should remain at constant temp...See my dilema and why I have no faith in the technology past the short term.? |
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Anonymous | You're rambling, tom. Your comments are stupid. Your knowledge of DMD chip technology is absent. Your generalized statements prove you have not researched these subjects. You don't proofread your type. You come across as an ignorant mouthpiece. Credibility is not your strongpoint, guy. Nice set, Joanna! |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 42 Registered: Jul-05 | You forgot.."In your opinion". Usually when one is losing a debate one takes it to the personal level with personal attack and name calling. I suggest you debate with fact not attack. Your own credibility will be better supported. Gereralized statements? LOL It seems people are generally having issues. I understand the DMD technology just fine. It has no real world reliability numbers outside a lab. Unless you have other infornation proving the technology is reliable over the long run. Provide your proof, All I see here are issues especially with DLP. I am not here to achieve respect or credibility. I If I can help one person see through the DLP rose colored wheel" and let you guys do the beta testing, I feel justified in voicing my opinion. After all its one opinion in alternative to all the DLP fan boys. I can take the bullets. I do not consider those who buy technology before its ready and pay extreme prices for it very credible either. Mostly the "gotta have it first set." That's another whole psychological issue. |
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Anonymous | Apparently, I'm not the only one who is not so fond of your disgusting disrespective rant. Where are your facts, bonehead. You make generalized statements and reference the fractional issues you found on this forum as proof of flawed digital technologies. Sorry, bud...but that just doesn't cut it. Where's your research, tom? Don't you have some technically proven flaws to share with us? How about some white papers or torture tests or something other than a few posts to support your rant. I think opinion is all you've got. Given your sophisticated delivery, that doesn't carry much weight with this intelligent crowd. |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 44 Registered: Jul-05 | The "torture" tests are the tortured posters of the endless stream of issues on this very board and many others. White papers only show lab results and virtual tests. But you already knew that. LOL You may not know this, (ahem) but technically proven flaws will NEVER show up in "official" print unles mandated by the FTC. People using the products are the real proof. My research is REAL WORLD use by real people. That is the best research. That can be had on a number of forums including AVS and a host of others. I have found reading all of them there are generally similar issues with the technology. Especially DLP. There are many other areas of (insert)"phile" interest forums and equiptment forums where the issue with a certain product is the exception in the threads not the rule as it seems to be here. BTW. I don't particularly think it is "intelligent" to run out and buy a technology before it's ready. Your self aggrandizing attitude just proves my point. My message is not lost in my delivery. If it were so why are you so vehemently defending the indefensible? Kinda reminds me of the perception of those who bought Hummers. Instead of others saying "wow, lucky him" what the buyer's paid for they are secretly laughing and ridiculing the ignorance and need for stroking. Others get sucked in and then disappointed. Much of that is reflected in this technology. There are many many issues with DLP technology that go way past what should be considering the money spent on it. Anyone who reads these boards can see that plainly. Better then your white sheet (bet you never read one).argument. |
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Anonymous | Please...allow me to repeat myself as often as you do. I thought you would lighten up, but you're too ignorant for that. Apparently, I'm not the only one who is not so fond of your disgusting disrespective rant. You have no facts. You make generalized statements and reference a fraction of the "REAL WORLD" issues that you found on this forum as proof of a flawed digital technology. Sorry, Mr. narrow-minded...but that just doesn't cut it. You have no real research, tom. Nothing more than some posts to support your rant. No real proof! You said, "BTW. I don't particularly think it is "intelligent" to run out and buy a technology before it's ready." Well....btw...I don't think it's particularly intelligent to put your money on CRT. What makes you think it's ever been ready. A large number of broken CRT owners would beg to differ. Do you have some gifted insight as to when any technology is particularly "ready"? I don't think so. Like I said before, I think opinion is all you've got. Given your unsophisticated delivery, that doesn't carry much weight with this intelligent crowd. You've proven that you are indeed a ranting repetative troll and a waste of good post space. |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 51 Registered: Jul-05 | I have no facts? Read the Sony Wega thread about all the "spider cracks" in those TVs. There are so many Samsung Issues that thread is archived FIVE times!! There are so many issues with the technology it's actually getting funny. This is a flawed technology which appears to be beta testing by comsumers and the INSISTANCE of buying EWS is more then proof. You don't go to the Ipod forum and read of so many issues with the technology even when it was new?, or the Dell forum or most any other technological intrest group forum as you do regarding this technology. EW's are not an option in this technology according to its own fan base. In no other technology is that sentiment universal. Theres another fact you seek. Yes I do know when a technology is ready. When MOST who discuss it are actually happy with it and discuss more then issues!!!LOL. So far all I read here is that all are happy with High Definition as a technology but dissapointed in the reliability of the costly technology needed to view it. Now I cannot even buy a normal no HD RPTV without having to suffer through a crappy SD TV signal which still dominates the content. That is unfortunate for those who could care less about the few HD channels available. My opinion and fact is supported by the whining of those who cannot spend $3000 without worrying "if its gonna happen to me". And then even the EWs are useless as many are whining about the tech reps who know nothing. Then finally and quite funny the manufacturers are NOT standing behind the products and claiming fault. (All of a sudden they are lowering their exageratted bulb life numbers) The SONY Wega thread is proff of that as well. There are many who are having spider screen issues after 18 months and Sony is turning thier backs as they pay $1600 for new color engines. Theres another FACT for you. Better then your beloved "white papers." REAL WORLD issues and response. NO son it does not take a gift to know this technology is not ready. Just a pair of eyes and the ability to read. Again I do not care what weight I carry with "all knowing" self centered blind fan-boys like yourself. Nor do I care about my "presentation." My message is clear enough and the proof is just clicks away. You're stuck and blinded in your fixed pixel sandbox buying EWs and praying you will squeeze a few trouble free years after the EW has ended. I will however seek to cause those who are unknowing and poking around to dig deeper and make a care free decision or perhaps come to the same conclusion as I, saving them some grief and a whole lot of cash. In that quest I will have not wasted any of your precious rah rah space. |
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Anonymous | You're back! I didn't even bother read it. I doubt anyone else did either. In the wind, repetative troll! You're worthless type is a waste of space! |
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New member Username: JamjoPost Number: 5 Registered: Jul-05 | What are "spider cracks"? Do you believe that every Samsung DLP will eventually get them...or does it just sometimes happen? |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 55 Registered: Jul-05 | Read the Sony WEGA thread. Be glad you don't have the almighty Wega. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/137540.html I believe there will still be issues with this technology for years to come and none of the sets will be trouble free past even the EW dates. I believe these Tvs have a useful life of less than 5 years. There are those calling the Samsung 5063 JUNK!! That TV is not very old at all. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/154724.html Its these kinds of remarks that scared me off and others need to read before paying thousands of dollars for a TV where the normally useless extended warranty is universally touted as a MUST. Now there's product confidence. I wish you and your Samsung DLP well. |
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bonghater Unregistered guest | DLP's don't get "spider cracks". It's all done with light and mirrors. LCD's do. It's a liquid crystal display failure. tom bong is a ranting fool. There are thousands of happy DLP owners. CRT's suck! |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 58 Registered: Jul-05 | Those thousands are certainly not reflected on this board or AVS for that matter. Show me the money! LCD DLP its all problem ridden. HAve you seen a digital feed of SD on these TV's? Those who are watching HD only are paying an awful lot for very little. The avg Joe is not ready to throw SD viewing away but will certainly have to dumb down in quality to watch it on one of these fixed pixel TVs CRT is still relavant and will be for years to come. Hell they still sell non HD CRT TVs by the boatload. I belive they still outsell DLP and LCD overall. |
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gnob mot Unregistered guest | SD is on it's way out. Networks are broadcasting EDTV full time. They offer true HD during primetime. Folks with digital tuners are watching very little SD by choice. This guy is living in the past. He wants you to make an obsolete investment based on an obsolete broadcast technology. What a complete idiot. Rant, rant, rant.... CRT's suck! |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 67 Registered: Jul-05 | SD is a LONG way from out, ONly 21 "network" (who watched network exclusively anymore? Certainly not the bleeding edgers)So you watch TV regardless of content just becaus e its in HD??????? Get a life man. It will be years before there is enough QUALITY HD content to make this issue laden technology worth taking a chance on...a much less expensive chance at that. Well I suppose its worth spending $3000 to see the pimples clearly on your American Idols....LOL |
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gnob mot Unregistered guest | You are just plain ignorant. The FCC mandated that all broadcasting networks must transmit digital formats along with VHF by Jan 2005. The FCC will take over the VHF spectrum sometime between 2006 and 2009. All major networks in most cities have complied. EDTV is broadcasted on the UHF spectrum full time for all to enjoy with a standard UHF antenna and an ATSC tuner. Smaller networks that are not in compliance have requested 6 month extentions to update their transmitters. They face FCC fines if they miss their extention deadlines. This is a different deadline date than the deadline to cut off all VHF transmissions. Digital EDTV is twice the resolution as VHF. It's on 24/7 for all to enjoy. Many people living in the past are not taking advantage of it because they simply don't know it's there. SD is on it's way out, period. Anyone making a major display purchase based on watching SD is a complete fool. By your comments, that means you, idiot! Your advice is a fool's rant. Nothing more! CRT's suck! |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 72 Registered: Jul-05 | digital SDTV istill looks terrible on your fixed pixel sets. Don't belive me..Go to a store and asked them to switch fomr their HD signal to a DTV broadcast of no HD content. Most will understand what you are failing to grasp. EDTV may be twice the resoluition but it still looks worse (digital artifacts) then even a 2 year OLD CRTs picture of the same content. The govenrment just puched back that mandate AGAIN. Its going to be awhile and all Im saying is DO NOT SPEND $2000 on a TV with issues that will look terrible on DTV channels MEGA MOST of which are NOT EDTV at their source. IF you need a new TV spend less then $1000 and wait three or four years. You will be able to buy a BETTER and maybe reliable big screen fixed pixel display or super thin CRT for perhaps $1500. Spending $2500 TOTAL having both TVs the latter hopefully much much better then if you would have spent that $2500 PLUS mandatory EW today... I do not see the foolishness there. In fact I do see the foolishness in spending $2500 today for something that has very little actual HD content and still looks terrible on MOST broadcasts otherwise. What you fail to mention is the broadcasters can broadcast in EDTV all day long but no one is forcing the content makers be in the sane format. So in effect you are broadcasting regular non EDTV or HD content in great detail....sounds like a good idea to spend $2500 for that today........NOT. |
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No Analog Displays Unregistered guest | There is no such thing as digital SDTV, tom. Analog transmissions will be outlawed by the FCC between 2006 and 2009. Anyone with an analog CRT will need a digital converter to downgrade the already available EDTV signals so they can view network broadcasts. The FCC already has plans to resell the VHF spectrum to cell phone companies for new services they want to provide. This is all common knowledge. There is a bill in congress to extend the VHF cutoff from Jan 2006 to Jan 2009, but the FCC is expected to defeat the bill. There may ultimately be a compromise of a year or so, but that's it. Pushing obsolete display technology is a fool's rant. You really need to stop, tom! It's rediculous. |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 77 Registered: Jul-05 | I will bet the FCC is not succesful and it will be extended to 2009. Watch and learn. The technology is not ready nor is the content. The cell companies will have to wait and with the rool outs of EVDO, VCast, and other 3G technologies they have plenty of bandwidth for their current technologies. There will be no spectrun log jam there for many years to come. More common knowledge? VCRs are obsolete. CRTs are still being developed improved, and sold. Not exactly the behavior of an obsolete technology as you are trying desperately to convince us of. Pushing incomplete,expensive, unreliable, display technology that is benchmarked to but cannot even EQUAL your "obsolete" CRT technology for minimal content enjoyment is something only a FOOL would buy in to. I'd rather be a fool with money in my pocket then one whinning becasie their $3000 TV is crapping out after a year or the SDTV channels look horrible......Yeah the bigger fool theory is alive and well and it is you. |
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gnob mot Unregistered guest | Qualcom already has a streaming news and weather channel for cell phones and has made a pre-bid to the FCC for a portion of the VHF spectrum. They have a huge monetary stake in the outcome of the VHF spectrum availability. Don't count on VHF being around until 2009. It's a bet you will most likely lose. The true digital content is not minimal. A fool's rant is best ignored. |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 83 Registered: Jul-05 | Even if you are right. The content will still be lacking. There is very little true digital ED or HD content and the FCC is not mandating that portion of the equation which is the most important piece. AS long as the general public has no issue with watching the hundreds of other non ED/ HD channels in digitally broadcast SDTV the content will not justify the $3000 expense. Im guessing most psople do not care.....The technology has been around a few years and only 4% of the population has even seen an HD signal...LOL |
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No Credibility, tom Unregistered guest | That's simply not correct. Most of the American public watches network broadcasts, which are all true digital EDTV with primetime HD for all who have an ATSC tuner. That's today, 24/7, 365. There's plenty of digital content to justify a true digital display investment in the future of broadcasting, not the past. There are not hundreds of non-ED/HD channels. There isn't even a handfull worth watching. Rant, rant, rant.... You're simply not believable! You still can't compose or proofread, either. Foolish ignorance is not sellable. CRT's suck! |
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No Credibility, tom Unregistered guest | bump |
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Bronze Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 92 Registered: Jul-05 | MOst of America could give a flying crap about HD or EDTV TV. 4% have ever seen it. Most will not spend $3000 for ANY TV.....Reality is a good thing try it. "Foolish ignorance is not sellable". It is not only sellable..it is profitable....ask Samsung!!!! |
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No Credibility, bong Unregistered guest | Is lunch over? I see the CRT zealot has returned. CRT's suck! |
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Unregistered guest | Tom, I've been reading the threads and I must say that you're a little misinformed. First off the FCC denied the manufactures request to push back the HD roll out date and actually pushed the date up to Dec. 2006. While people pay more in the beginning for technology, we as a society are committed to advancing...which is why the new Samsung Dlp features a 10,000:1 contrast ratio and integrated HD for the same price that last years model debuted. As far as video game compatibility is concerned I know for a fact that Microsoft has teamed with Sammy to make their DLP the official gaming tv, which means while they may have had issues in the past they will be working some over time to make sure that their sets are tip top before the 360 launches in November. $3,000 is a lot of money, but if you take into account that most people make this type of purchase once every 10 years or so I don't think 25 dollars per month is a lot to spend... I mean for crying out loud man how much is your cable bill every month $50...maybe $100? If you're going to spend that kind of money for programming don't you want to have the BEST set to watch it on? |
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Silver Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 163 Registered: Jul-05 | You are quoting contrast ratios as the holy grail and you say IM misinformed. contrast ratio specs means nothing. Another spec that sucks you guys in like fish to a whale. "Empirical data suggests the human eye is limited to a dynamic range of 100:1 at any given instant. That means that if you look at a "scene" with objects of different luminance values, you won't be able to discern more than a 100:1 difference between the darkest and lightest objects. Of course, the instant your eye moves, its built-in auto iris function raises and lowers the grayscale boundaries. That's what allows you to perceive shadow detail and also pick out a white cat scurrying along in a field of snow". http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/shmontrast.htm Sammy had an issue with Gaming. What did they do to rebate those customers who spent $3000 on a TV that claimed NO IMAGE BURN in to game on only to find they could not! NOW they are working with MS? There are those on this board who expect a reliable TV for 10 years (although guys like FYI have to replace them in a year to keep up) $3000 IS a lot of money for a TV that has sync and latency issues, MANY spent that money and now have a 2 year old TV they cannot use for gaming...so the no burn in feature means nothing. MOst of the programming on cable is Standard TV. Its no waste of money to wait until the fixed Pixel TV makers get their collective crap together and make a relaible TV that does not have latency, bulb, sync, and the other issues I have read here in the FIRST 6 MONTHS to 2 YEARS..thats a long way from your own 10 year $25 a month target. All Im saying is WAIT...WAIT until there is MORE HD content then not. WAIT until the sets are reliable (and there are more message threads here discussing more then ISSUES like other interest group gear) WAIT until the prices come down as a bunus. In the mean time get yourself a HD RPCRT for $1200 and enjoy the minimal HD content. IN 3-4 years for $1200 you will be able to get a more reliable and better FP TV. (By then FYI will have bought 4!!!) |
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No Credibility, bongboy Unregistered guest | DLP Owner Unregistered guest Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 11:52 am: From the article, here is a statement that counters everything you have been saying! "For now, because they're (micro-displays) priced at a "sweet spot" between CRT-based RPTVs and flat-panel LCD and plasma sets, the market is hot, there's plenty of competition, and quality and performance are high." The only thing that will cause a drop in quality and performance is this statement, which by the way, was the death of CRT. "But once flat-panel prices fall to within striking distance, the RPTV microdisplay market will become price-driven, regardless of technology, and quality and performance will drop." I'll leave you with this from the article. "the days of the deluxe, maximum-performance CRT-based RPTV are over......manufacturers can't afford to make them because only cheap CRT sets continue to sell in quantity." Price driven forces have brought about the death of CRT, and with it, your argument to purchase one of any decent quality. Unfortunately, the same forces are predicted to trigger the demise in quality of any popular display technology and I don't see how plasma could be excluded. RE: http://www.guidetohometheater.com/michaelfremer/805mf/ |
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Silver Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 169 Registered: Jul-05 | Here is the telling quote and opening line regsarding HDTVs: "As I pointed out in this column recently, the days of the deluxe, maximum-performance CRT-based RPTV are over. Even if you're smart enough to want one, and you're willing to pay for it, manufacturers can't afford to make them because only cheap CRT sets continue to sell in quantity. The CRT has been assigned to the back of the bus. "Big deal," I hear some of you say, "that's yesterday's technology." Guess what's next to fall by the techno-wayside? Rear-projection microdisplays--LCD, LCoS, and DLP. That's right--and those are hardly "yesterday's technology." cheap is a reference to price NOT quality. The implication is a smart person would want one but manufacturers can't afford to make them because only cheap CRT sets continue to sell in quantity. Because people are all caught up in the allflash no substance of fixed pixel which has NO reliability track record and a lot of issues. Ignorant geeks are driving the market...go figure. I cannot feel much empathy at their issues as they diod not do their homework. |
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Broken Record bongboy Unregistered guest | DLP Owner Unregistered guest Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 11:52 am: From the article, here is a statement that counters everything you have been saying! "For now, because they're (micro-displays) priced at a "sweet spot" between CRT-based RPTVs and flat-panel LCD and plasma sets, the market is hot, there's plenty of competition, and quality and performance are high." The only thing that will cause a drop in quality and performance is this statement, which by the way, was the death of CRT. "But once flat-panel prices fall to within striking distance, the RPTV microdisplay market will become price-driven, regardless of technology, and quality and performance will drop." I'll leave you with this from the article. "the days of the deluxe, maximum-performance CRT-based RPTV are over......manufacturers can't afford to make them because only cheap CRT sets continue to sell in quantity." Price driven forces have brought about the death of CRT, and with it, your argument to purchase one of any decent quality. Unfortunately, the same forces are predicted to trigger the demise in quality of any popular display technology and I don't see how plasma could be excluded. RE: http://www.guidetohometheater.com/michaelfremer/805mf/ |
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New member Username: Dafish48Post Number: 4 Registered: Apr-05 | I am thinking about buying a Mitsubishi Diamond series WS-65813 : 65" I was wondering if i could play videogames on it playstation and xbox without having to worry about the burn in factor and if the price is worth it even if it does burn in the tv is half price and on closeout for $$2499$$ MSRP is around 4,000 i believe i think the price is great considering the lowest i can find online is 2999 |
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Silver Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 271 Registered: Jul-05 | The price is greeat. Has 9" crt gun as well. But thats an awful big screen for an HD TV and standard TV may really look bad on it...including the Xbox and PS2.As with ALL HD capable TVs be sure you check that out before you spend $2500 in vain. Also check the brightness and where it is set in the store. If you can keep the contrast and brightness down burn in should not be an issue at all. Theres a great burn in thread here that should answer your question http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=406182 |
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New member Username: Dafish48Post Number: 5 Registered: Apr-05 | The 52" wd52527 is a Lcd projection tv that i was also looking at i was wondering however if the picture and color were as good as the tv i mentioned above |
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Silver Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 276 Registered: Jul-05 | ONly you can answer that. I will tell you with any projector DLP or LCD you will be replacing bulbs at $200-$300 a pop every year or two. And the technology is not as tried and true as the RPCRT. Read the forums on RP LCDs at AVS.com and here. The Sony forum is partculary intersting with regard to LCD RP. I am in the minority here but I would NOT spend $2000 and up on any DLP or RP LCD TV yet. You are better off finding a new 50" RPCRT for $1200 and saving the rest. In two or three years you will have the choice of much cheaper sets with much better technology. BY the the SED sets will be out and I venture to say they will blow away any Proj set in picture and size. All the DLP fan-boys will be unloading their $3000 DLP/LCDs and running to the SED parade. Watch and learn. |
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Bronze Member Username: Helpful_smurfPost Number: 67 Registered: Jun-05 | Careful Tom your true colors are leaking out there. You always advocate letting someone else pay for the "bleeding edge" technology's beta testing yet here you are cheerleading for SED. I'm thinking maybe you are just anti DLP and all this other gobbledygook you spew is just smokescreen. |
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Silver Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 278 Registered: Jul-05 | In three years SED will not be "new" although I am sure there will be those running out to buy the first generation. Since SED is the closest to CRT technology and will blow all the current fixed pixel fakers out of the water having the contrast and brightness of CRT displays, I have much more confidance it it as well. SED is poised at becoming THE flat panel technology for the next decade. It's like transforming a standard CRT-based TV into a flat-panel, hang on the wall, plasma killer. Although I have abosolute confidence in SED technology due to its CRT like technology and image. I still would not buy them next Feb. I will wait three years. I am anti DLP and RPLCD and I have stated the reasons and have read of the issues. Its a "hold over" technology at best. And costly to maintain. IF SED proves to have as many issues is reflected on these boards currently by DLPs I will stay away from them as well. But any electron emitting technology is something I will lean towards. |
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Bronze Member Username: Hd_fanaticBoise, ID Post Number: 78 Registered: May-05 | Come on guys, anyone who is smart enough to find these forums is also smart enough to read the information present and make a sound decision based on their own judgement. I do believe it's important to have different opinions and view points though. Just wanted to let people know that in case anyone was wandering what this SED is about, its's a relatively new technology that Toshiba and others have been working on. Don't know how sucessful it will be. There is also FED and OLED vying to compete. Here's a link to an article that I ran across that briefly describes the new technology. http://channels.netscape.com/ns/tech/editorial.jsp?page=computing/cpvert/SED.jsp |
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Silver Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 280 Registered: Jul-05 | IOts the only technology that can replace a CRT on all levels. The rest is "interim technology." Toshiba will be releasing a 50" SED as soon as 4th QTR this year with reasonable pricing in 2007. Like I have been saying,,,,,,,,,,, three years. Wait just three years and the real technology to replace CRTs will be at hand. BTW here's a secret...... IT won't be DLP ot RPDLP. SShhhhhhhhh. |
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New member Username: KainanPost Number: 5 Registered: Aug-05 | Yawn...... In the year 2029 we will still have people saying, "WAIT! Don't buy now! Better things are around the corner!" I've got news for you. When SED and other technologies are actually released at a decent price they will have their problems just like other technologies. Will they be better? I certainly would hope and think so if people are going to wait until 2007. The big problem is that there will be people posting in 2007 saying the same thing about something that is going to hit in 2009. If you are always afraid of buying due to technology that will be better in the future then you will never buy a thing. Why don't you go ahead and chunk your DVD players for now. After all, HD-DVD and Blue Ray are just around the corner if you don't mind waiting. What's a year or two with VHS when you know HD-DVD and Blue Ray will replace DVD? I hope you pick up on my sarcasm. |
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Silver Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 281 Registered: Jul-05 | Not nessecarily. CRT Technology has been around 60 years. Same technology...just improved. Im guessing SED will be an extention of the CRT technology and all the RP Tvs will go away including CRTs if SED delivers on it's promise. I believe DLP and RPLCD are a stop gap technology which will be relaced by a technology that will become the defacto display technology for the next 60 years.. I believe those who are spending 3,4,$5K on Tvs will replace them if and when SED delivers. There will be some dissappointed people who realize as some already do they should have waited......for a TV that will display ALL inputs with equal picture quality without scaling and resampling resolution like a CRT PC monitor apparently currently does. HDTV and Blue Ray in my opinion have many many many years to be accepted. Not two or three years but perhaps a generation. People only recently swapped their VHS for DVDs and will not be willing to do it again soon. There are a lot of people with expensive laser disk collections and players gathering dust. I equate DLP and RPLCD, even Plasma as "laser disk" technology. SACD has gone and is going nowhere....and those that can remember the big wow of quadraphonic sound on home stereo are painfully reminded of the early death of that "wonderful" technology. Pink Floyd and the Who even toured with a quad sound system and di not light the fire. No one (except the "audiophile" hobbyists) wanted to replace their vinyl with 4 channel Vinyl...Im suggesting no one will want to replace their DVD collection with HD DVDs. The image quality difference for most people will not be as noticed as going form stereo to quadraphonic sound. There are only 13% of homes with an HD TV now after, what 6 years? MOst everyday people are smartly slow in embracing new technology. They have seen it and been ripped off before and will wait for a clear "winner" not to metion compelling content. After all in the end it's all about the delivery content. Vidoephiles and "tech heads" don't get this and want everyone to adapt flawed troubled "interim" technology for their own needs to have the best cheaply. They as well as the manufacturers of the junk want the everyday Joe to pay for their "habit." |
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New member Username: TinogtzPost Number: 9 Registered: Mar-05 | wrote about the first linesthe problems with the Sammy and PS2,Well,there's no big news the Samsung DLP rear projection TV's doesnt work to play video games because the Delay. Does anybody know if these TV'S will work without problems with the new Playstaion 3? Regards |
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New member Username: TinogtzPost Number: 10 Registered: Mar-05 | Sorry for the last one Hi,there's no big news the Samsung DLP rear projection TV's doesnt work to play video games because the Delay. Does anybody know if these TV'S will work without problems with the new Playstaion 3? Regards |
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Silver Member Username: Tombo777Post Number: 286 Registered: Jul-05 | If you have to even ask...Don't you think you had better rethink spending over $2000 for it? |