Archive through February 16, 2005
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New member Username: KreidPost Number: 1 Registered: Dec-04 | I've been looking for the last month at rp HDTVs. The coices are baffling. It didn't take me long to realize I didn't want an rp CRT. I can't afford Plasma, unless I go with an EDTV. I was seriously looking at DLP until I noticed something going on with the picture on these things. It's really hard to explain, but the best I can describe it is it's like when something moves on the screen really fast, I see something in the transition what looks like blocks. No other technology I've looked at does this. Almost like the screen is having a hard time keeping up with the movement or something... I don't know. All I know is there's some funk going on and it bothers me. I've looked at some of the latest screens out there too the Mitsubishi 52725, Samsung HLP5065 and Samsung HLP5085w. I see it on all of them. Some worse than others. I really like the picture on these things otherwise. The detail is amazing. But whatever it is going on in fast scenes bothers the heck out of me. So now I'm considering LCD or Plasma ED. I've seen the Panasonic 42PD25U/P side by side with several HD Plasmas all running HD feed. 8 to 10 foot from this thing and I couldn't tell the difference. Picture is simply beautifull. I just wanted to hear some opinions on this whole DLP, LCD, Plasma thing from someone that knows a bit more than I do..... I don't know much. I've only been researching for about a month. Thanks for any input. |
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New member Username: BankerboyPost Number: 3 Registered: Dec-04 | Kevin, I had the exact same problem. Upon doing research on the various HDTV sites, the DLP technology seemed superior. But on the showroom floor, the picture appeared blocky as you mentioned. What DID impress me, however, was the SONY KDF-50WE655 (or something like that) rp LCD. The picture was amazing. I also had the same questions regarding regular LCD and plasma ED. My next trip to the store will sort things out. Here's what I need to see: 1) ED plasma versus HD plasma for SD, HD, and DVD signal in order to see what I'm missing with ED. I still don't like the burn-in, though. 2) The winner from step 1 above compared to the rp LCD SONY. Since the SONY is way cheaper, I want to see how it stacks up to plasma. The winner of step 2 will be the one I take home. It's a tough call, but it comes down to which ever one looks the best and I can afford. Keep in mind that stores typically jack up the color and contrast levels on plasmas to catch your eye in the store, but in reality, you wouldn't have it at that level at home, unless you are okay with burn-in occuring much sooner. |
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New member Username: KreidPost Number: 2 Registered: Dec-04 | Hans, I too would like to see the ED Plasma with SD and DVD content. The store I was in the other day could only display HD on them. Let me tell you what the salesman said to me when I asked him if he had any ED Plasmas. He said, "see that wall over there? There are 4 EDs and 6 HDs on it. You tell me which one is which." Ok. I mulled it over a few minutes. God, they all looked fantastic! I studied them some more. Boy this is hard I told him. He just smiled. Finally I pointed to one and said, "Is that one an ED?" No. that one is an HD, he said. I was shocked! Maybe someone with a better eye than me can pcik it up, but I honestly can't tell the difference from about 8 feet away. I moved in closer and at about 2 feet I could see that the EDs had slightly larger pixels. So, yes I'm seriously looking at these things now. Tonight I hope to see some DVD content on one. I'm heading to BB. Yes the Sony 50" Grand WEGA LCD I think it was looked very good. Only thing is, as much as I like Sony, I've read some horror stories relating to support from them on their LCDs. Don't want to scare you away from them, but you may want to check in to it. |
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New member Username: BankerboyPost Number: 4 Registered: Dec-04 | Right, I'm a little queasy about the known LCD issues, such as image degradation. Plus, my current Sony CRT is a piece of junk, not that this relates directly to the RP LCD, but it has soured me somewhat to Sony. That being said, I'll have to look at the Sony, ED, and HD plasmas again. |
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Bronze Member Username: Nu2itallFindlay, OH Post Number: 12 Registered: Oct-04 | I've now owned an RCA dlp for about 2 months and couldn't be happier. I've watched a lot of sports in HD (NFL football/college hockey) and I don't see any break up in the picture at all. What I have noticed is that poor broadcast quality will cause what you've described. FOX seems to have many more problems that CBS. The INHD, INHD2, HDNET and HDNET2 channels have been almost flawless. I've not spent much time around an LCD rp, but my understanding is that the "refresh" rate is not as fast as DLP and will give you a "trailing blur" effect with fast action scenes. |
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Mike Mac Unregistered guest | Yeah if you plan to play a lot of video games I would stay away from an LCD because the refesh rate is just too slow from what I've seen. Everything looks too blurry. Although with a DLP you face the possibility of button delays. Tough choice... |
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New member Username: PepperdogsPost Number: 3 Registered: Dec-04 | Hi I intend to hook up an X box to my projector.. And I into fast moving games like racing and snow boarding.. From the comments above - am I to understand that LCD projector is a no - no. Is DLP a better option? Thanks |
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New member Username: BankerboyPost Number: 5 Registered: Dec-04 | Try it in the store. Most higher-end stores have a gaming system setup to test it out. |
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Anonymous | As for "ED" its best avoided. The 720p/1020i source material is so good coming from Discovery HD, PBS Hi DEF, INHD (HD NET via Sat) etc - you would be missing out on the incredible detail provided Example on a 90 inch diag size screen using the just introduced front projector Panasonic PT AE700U with COMCAST Motorola hi def hi def video recorder hooked via DVI/HDMI links - I am getting beyond theater quality on certain broadcasts. One case w/b that Mario Andretti "SUPER SPEEDWAY" IMAX originated program being run - I am not quite IMAX level of course - but 1/2 way there - and this is on a fairly low cost setup that ran screen/cables included for less than 2600 dollars combined - you simply table mount the projector and and add your hi fi in. No 'screen door" effect even from 7 feet distance Plasma ED's for example are selling at around 2600 dollars and one is getting basically a DVD optimized machine only, useless for upcoming HD-DVD As for games machines, its true precisely the technologies less prone to burn thru are precisely the ones that have the fast motion issue - not a big deal for most sports etc - except on game machines and so forth Only ans is to get a very low end high def or regular CRT and run it for games, maxing out resolution where possible |
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New member Username: KreidPost Number: 3 Registered: Dec-04 | Len, that seems to make sense on the broadcast quality. I was in Best Buy last night and didn't notice the ill effects on the DLPs as before. How do SD broadcasts look on your RCA? What about DVD? Anonymous, That sounds like some setup! Do you watch any SD programing? How does it look on your system? My concern is that there will be certain things I'll be watching for some time to come that just won't be available in HD. I guess I want the best of both worlds. ps Can your system do smaller than 90"? |
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Bronze Member Username: Nu2itallFindlay, OH Post Number: 13 Registered: Oct-04 | I think the problem that SD has on these sets is that it's hard not to compare it to the HD pictures. I'm happy with the SD picture as long as I'm not constantly switching back and forth with an HD broadcast. The contrast between the two is just too much. The picture quality with DVD and DT channels are both really good. If I didn't have HD available I would swear the picture couldn't get any better (while I'm watching). But if you switch back and forth with an HD broadcast you will see the difference. One thing I've noticed with the SD broadcasts is that the picture quality is much better when using the TV's internal tuner. The SD channels coming out of the cable box have more of a "washed out" look. The colors are not as bright and the picture doesn't seem as sharp. Time Warner cable does not have the cable card available in our area yet and I'm looking forward to getting that. |
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armchairmanoftheboard Unregistered guest | Just got a HDTV Sony rear proj LCD from RC Willey and they put in writing that the bulb is covered under the extra 5 year warranty. They will give it to you to replace, Easy 2 screws , they will not send someone out to change it but who cares. The cost of a new one is about what the 5 year warranty is. The RC willey on Stephanie in Las Vegas, oops I mean Henderson. Lance and Brandon were my Salesmen |
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Anonymous | on the PANASONIC AE-700U - smallest 16:9 picture w/b 40 inch diagonal at a projector distance of approx 4 feet or about 8 feet using telephoto as for regular tv -looks ok -however will need to check out more -however regular DIGITAL - (i.e digital signal not currently broadcasting full HD) - that looks pretty good the biggest issue on the projector is they have to be located in dedicated or semi-dedicated rooms in most cases with little or no small child access -unless you go for high $$$ ceiling install etc, and want to run high time on the bulbs. Kids for example could easily damage one of these units if you table top/shelf mount -or if they started fiddling with it this was my 2nd HDTV unit, the first one being a smaller crt - the problem I had was on for example the SONY 60 inch LCD REAR PROJECTOR i was considering at 4k - I was looking at stands for an extra 400 dollars that I wasn't even sure c/b moved easily for plug access etc. The projector avoids all the problems of the heavyweight mega-boxes, even though LCD rear projectors are only 1/2 the weight of the giant CRT REAR PROJECTORS I plan to add an alternate monitor B (cheap small LCD)for switching to, to use for high time/miscellaneous use as for example when I am running hours on CNBC etc, sort of incidental watching |
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Unregistered guest | armchairmanoftheboard What size Sony r/p LCD did you get? I've considering the 55". |
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Scott Smetana Unregistered guest | I just bought a 55 inch Sony XS Rear LCD after MANY months of searching all DLP's and LCD's. I'm very happy with my decision. I thought for a long time I was going to get an HD2+ DLP before seeing the newer line of LCD's. Check out the SONY XS and WF (Not WE) lines. Hitachi also makes a new kick butt LCD (v810?). I think the LCD's are better for bright rooms. Although the 'blacks' are not supposed to be as good with LCD's, this has not caused a problem with me and my XS. Overall, I think they are both very good and close technologies - you really can't go wrong either way. |
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Anonymous | the Sony LCD projectors are excellent. The entire "black" issue on LCD is vastly overhyped. On darker scenes, everything is dimmer anyways, HI DEF itself not even that important on those type scenes |
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tnbubba Unregistered guest | i just received a new sony 60xs955 lcd. could not be happier. great picture just using regular cable from wall and outside ota antenna for digital and hd channels. still learning about it but if you're looking for a nice set and stand for christmas check this bad boy out. i had also looked at rca and toshiba 94 series for months but the sony is the one i finally went with. fan noise no problem. channels change fast. no lip synch problem so far. |
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JoanB Unregistered guest | Does anyone know if/when Samsung will be adding an HD tuner and a digital cable card slot to their DLP's? That seems to be one of the big advantage that the Sony LCD's have right now over the Samsung DLP models. |
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Craiginarizona Unregistered guest | I have some questions: - What is SD programming? - Is it a good thing to have an internal HD tuner? I heard that it may limit (vs replacing an external box) the TV as programming standards / signals change in the future. Thanks for your help. |
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Anonymous | SD is standard digital TV (480P) HD is high definition digital (720p or 1080i,and eventually 1080p) If you want a rock bottom bargain when buying a true HDTV set today, you can save money by not buying a TV with an integrated hi def tuner, usually 500 dollars. Alot more if you buy the more basic models Most cable companies and Satellite providers already provide high def boxes, so most people don't need an integrated tuner You will have a bit more flexibility w/o the tuner, and with front projecters they invariably come w/o tuners anyways |
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JoeB Unregistered guest | I have been looking at purchasing a HDTV. With the help of a coworker who is an electronics nut. I have narrowed it to the Mitsubishi 62" DLP or the Sony Grand Wega 60" LCD. I have looked at both side by side at Goodguys in Las Vegas. I have pros and cons for each. The DLP color and contrast looked better, even after the store manager adjusted the Sony for brightness and color, to match the Mits., the Sony reds still had some orange in it. The programmed video is not fast paced, so I do not know how the images compare for action distortion. Most of the on line reviews I have read are happy with either purchase. Any feedback will be appreciated. |
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Unregistered guest | scott, you made a fairley good choice with the sony 55wf. the hitachi v810 series i am not very happy about. it may upconvert to 1080 but the picture doesnt give you good whites at all. i am employed at circuit city and have delt with these tv's ofr 2 years now. The samsung DLP 85 series both the 50 and 56 i see to be the best picture out. yah they may have the screen door effect but who is really sitting 2 inches from there tv? DLP's will also give you darker darks. LCD's will have a better grey scale but whats more important to you, having dark darks or a better grey scale with not so good darks. the sony 55wf also will not give you the sharpness of the dlp. how ever if your not running a suround sound system than im sure you have noticed that the sony has awsome sound, thanks to that built in sub woofer and if thats not enough use the subwoofer out for more bass. |
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craiginarizona Unregistered guest | I was looking at TV's at ulitmate electronics yesterday and saw something scary on the samsung DLP's. Bright white colors looked like they were being computer rendered (lack of a better term. looked like it was reflective/flashy in a computer animated sort of way). I had not seen this before. I was all set to buy a samsung until i saw this. I am not sure if this is brand specific or if they had the sets set up incorrectly. It was samsung specific though. |
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Carolina Buckeye Unregistered guest | According to Circuit City, Samsung will be realeasing the DLP set with integrated tuner this month. |
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Mike Chongo Unregistered guest | Interesting comments on the DLP. I currently own the Samsung 50" DLP and have had zero problems. Looks great, especially when playing games, watching movies and HD broadcasts. No complaints. Was deciding between the Sony LCD (Rear Projection) and the DLP, when they were put next to each other, it was DLP all the way. I have never noticed the "Rainbow Effect" nor any other problems. |
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grfunk Unregistered guest | I had both Samsung DLP and Sony LCD in my house and the Samsung looked like crap on SD signals. I returned the Samsung and kept the Sony becuase it did a great job with anything I piped through it. HD looked great on both sets but we are a long way off having nothing but HD to watch. SONY LCD ALL THE WAY. |
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leonis Unregistered guest | I bought the Samsung 46" dlp and I thought it just looked too dark! I even raised the brightness and you can only raise it so high until it washes out the colors. I returned it within 3o days for the Sony 42" Wega LCD and the picture is definitely better. Its more vibrant and has a crisper pic. The blaks may be better on the dlp but I haven't noticed a difference on the Sony. All I know is when watching a dark gothic looking flick like the movie Seven, and that movie has a dark lighting look to it! The dlp looked very dark and the actors dark hair almost blended with the dark background. It was kind of almost hard to distinguish between the two. I had both sets long enough to be able to tell the difference! |
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Michael in Milwaukee Unregistered guest | OK, I've read through plenty of comments and am still having problems deciding what HD television to buy and with what technology. DLP vs. LCD? HD Tuner built in? Or not? ( I'm leaning to buying a set with the tuner built in, as I don't want another "box" to contend with. I do not play video games. The television will be used for regular broadcasts by cable, or for DVD movies I've purchased. If possible, I would also like to be able to hook up a laptop to surf the Internet. So far, I've narrowed things down to two models. RCA has a 61" with DLP technology, approx. $3200. And Sony has a 55" with LCD technology around the same price range. I want to stay away from plasmas because of the "burn" effect. Don't know a thing about "screendoor" effects and "blocks or blocking". I'm not a technology guru. Is the purchased additional warranty the wisest thing to do, or not? Would someone be kind enough to offer their opinions to help me decide? Many thanks. |
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Anonymous | avoid headaches - choose Sony LCD |
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New member Username: BuzzPost Number: 9 Registered: Jan-05 | I tried the Sony KDF-42WE655 LCD and it had a great picture, but the weak black level performance was the deciding factor for me returning it...Looking at Sony plasmas now... If you dont have static images on your screen for long periods of time, burn in is not an issue with plasma TVs. Newer plasmas have a feature that "moves" the picture around if you have bars on the sides to prevent burn in... |
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phoenixwatcher Unregistered guest | I am also trying to decide on Sony LCD and Samsung or Mitsubishi DLP...I watch cable and will have a Cox HD Box available, and also watch DVD movies as well as sports on TV. Any last thought on what is best for this venue before I buy this week? |
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Informed DLP Owner Unregistered guest | Read this thread! https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/118958.html Also, read about LCD vs DLP at this link. On page three under "Table of Contents" click on "Our Interpretation... link. In the text look for a link that says "related whitepaper". Learn what DMD is all about!(requires Acrobat Reader) Then, make an intelligent decision based on fact. Get the extended warranty no matter what you choose. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0%2C1558%2C1049289%2C00.asp?kc=ETNKT0209KTX1 ************************************************* |
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Anonymous | What's the name of the possible side effect of DLP? |
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Informed DLP Owner Unregistered guest | I believe it's "Pleasure". |
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Bronze Member Username: GnnrSaddle Brook, NJ USA Post Number: 19 Registered: Jan-05 | Actually, you may mean the Rainbow Effect and even with the fourth gen engines and new color wheels/spin rates some folks can see it. I didn't see it and I find I am very sensitive to things like refresh rates (may not apply though) so you may not have a problem; the only true way to tell though is to spend some time with the unit and watch it. |
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punkrockbob Unregistered guest | Hey cox, how about a cyber handshake to agree to disagree?!?! |
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New member Username: ErikelvisPost Number: 9 Registered: Jan-05 | I just picked up my mitsu DLP and do not notice any of the rainbow effect or blocky transition. The SD channels kinda suck but it may be the way it is hooked up. The DVD is great. I did notice the transition in the store though. I think it may be the signal they have. |
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grfunk Unregistered guest | I guess it just wasn't Samsung that SD looked like crap on. I had a Samsung DLP and switched to Sony LCD because the SD looked waxy on the DLP. It looks a lot better on the Sony LCD. If it wasn't for that, I would have kept the DLP. But I'm very happy with the Sony LCD and it's tuners. |
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New member Username: VintendoNJ Post Number: 1 Registered: Jan-05 | I'm also looking for a new microdisplay tv. From research I'm leaning towards DLP, specifically the Mitsu WD62725 and Toshi 62HMX94. The Mitsubishi is supposed to be the best performer. But after reading many things about software problems and reliabilty issues I'm not sure about it now. I've just started to look at the Sony 60xs955 LCD as another option. I would appreciate more opinions from owners of these sets. Note: I will be using these sets mainly for DVD and HD in my home theater. SD quality is not a big concern. |
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Anonymous | LCD is the workhorse proven technology, and best for multi-purpose use, whether pure LCD, or rear or front projection LCD THE SONY 60 LCD is considered a good unit overall |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | This Anon guy sure wants to make himself feel better about his LCD purchase. I hope it lasts many years for you. Try not to rack up to many hours on it. |
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P Unregistered guest | After spending considerable time researching HDTVs, I am disgusted with all of the big screen technologies. CRT Projections are bulky and most don't display in 720P. LCDs and DLPs require expensive bulbs that have to be replaced frequently. Many LCDs have screen door and many DLPs have the rainbow. Plasma has a short lifespan and very high price. When did TVs become so unreliable? It's rediculous to spend thousands of dollars on a TV that is so fragile. Service plans are a rip-off and should not be a requirement, especially when they cost a 20% or more premium on top of what you are buying. I've decided on RP CRT. With the cost of DLP or LCD bulbs and ballest over a 5-7 year period, the money I save with CRT can buy a brand new TV. Reliabilty is my main priority. Just my thoughts. |
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New member Username: LamprightSyracuse, Utah USA Post Number: 6 Registered: Jan-05 | To P: You'll spend just as much money aligning and cleaning your CRT over the years as you will replacing bulbs every 3-5 years in a DLP. |
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New member Username: LamprightSyracuse, Utah USA Post Number: 7 Registered: Jan-05 | I'm curious about this block thing you've seen on the DLP sets. It sounds to me that the signal going to the DLP tv you were watching is bad. Is it the rainbow effect or something different? I just purchased the Mitsubishi 52725 and I've never seen anything that looks like a blocky compression problem. I do see the rainbow effect more than I thought I would and I'm considering exchanging for a non-DLP for that reason. In my opinion, if you don't see the rainbow effect, the DLP is the best choice out there. I like mine so much I might keep it even though I sometimes see the rainbow effect. If it's not the rainbow effect, maybe you're seeing compression artifacts on the DLP because the DLP chip is so precise at rendering an image. Other technologies are not as precise, so a block of compression is softer looking and not as noticable. Try adjusting the sharpness all the way down and see if that helps....most TV's have the sharpness set way too high. Also, maybe in the store they have a 1080i feed going into the DLP set when it should have a 720p feed and the TV has to convert it which might cause what you're seeing. On a Mitsubishi you can check this by pushing the "info" button...it'll say what format, should be "720p Standard". |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | P, You're an idiot. You have been reading to many negative posts. It's a fraction of what really goes on. Go ahead and buy that old technology. Watch it hit the trash heap in 2 years. They don't make CRT's like they used to. You can wise-up and get a DLP with an extended warranty that covers lamps. By the time you need to buy a lamp, they will be twenty bucks. |
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P Unregistered guest | DLP for Me!, you can call me names, but you can't deny the life expectancy of the bulbs. The manufacturers state they will burn out after only about 2 years of normal viewing. And I hardly think CRTs will be on the trash heap in 2 years. The new technology or more specifically the actual sets themselves, particularly plasma sets, just may be. And again, I don't plan on spending an extra $400-$1000 on top of the price of an already very expensive peice of "technology" just to ensure reliabilty for 5 years. Brian, you bring up a better point. But those adjustments don't seem to be as critical as bulb problems, and most people I know who have them rarely have to do major adjustments, and the service plans are cheaper. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I havn't bought yet and the LCDs sure are nice. |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | Ah...got your attention! Ok...sorry for the name calling. I read these threads a lot. You are the first I've seen to complain about lamp life. I'm sure you know that LCD's also use a lamp. They have a nice picture too, but the liquid crystal display will yellow and fade in about 3k to 4k hours and a new lamp won't fix it. Read this thread and follow my links to learn more facts about DLP vs LCD vs D-ILA/LCOS. Read it all before you buy. Then make an informed intelligent decision based on how you interpret the information. I apologize for my rudeness. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/120867.html |
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New member Username: Rar74Post Number: 1 Registered: Feb-05 | I've been reading through the posts. I am looking at flat panels. Looking at 42" plasmas, the brands I am considering are Marantz and Pioneer Elite. The Marantz 42" ED is $900 or so cheaper than the Pioneer Elite HD. Side by side, I see no difference. Putting the Marantz ED up against other plasmas that are HD, the Marantz ED blows them away. I'm straying away from the PioneerElite HD now, due that it only has one component input. The 910 model has the receiver, but I would like to stay away from added hardware. I'm just wondering if I'm going to be kicking myself if I don't up the anny and go with the Marantz HD? All the looking/comparing I have done at the stores clearly show the Marantz ED blowing away all the other HD plasmas in pic quality, whether it be coming in HD or NTSC. I can't tell the difference between the Marantz HD/ED very easily either. Any feedback would be great. |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | You're on the wrong thread! We're not talking about plasmas here. Those expensive things have a burn-in image issue after a few years. If you're dead set on getting one anyway, start another thread with your question or find a plasma thread where someone might respond. Good luck! |
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New member Username: Rar74Post Number: 2 Registered: Feb-05 | Sorry about the post in this area. Would like to inform you that technology progresses, hence the plasma "burn-in" is like an old wives tale now. As far as your big bulky DLP and the crappy pic distortion if your not directly centered in front of the screen, you can have it. Projection is never going to get near the quality of plasma, DLP is a slow progression better than your old highschool's RGB bulb'd 60 inch display.... |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | You don't want to tangle with me, idiot! I know this stuff backward and forward. Go get your little plasma and stay off this thread. Only genuine inquiries and intelligent responses are allowed. Troll somewhere else! |
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raj111 Unregistered guest | This question is for DLP TV reliability. I was convinced to buy the MITSHUBISHI 62" DLP (725 series) at a good price ($3700) with 4 year extended warrenty for $500. During my review last week on internet, i found out that these DLP TVs have a major problem of some software bug that stops the TV and you have to reboot every time it stops - and wait several minutes before restarting the TV. what's the problem. some new DLP owners even said that their TV had bulb problems only after couple of months of usage. Is this too big (prevalent) a prolem out there? If it is - then I would rather not buy the DLP? I am not going to buy LCD because of the picture quality degrade after 4000 hours or so of usage. Would appreciate your feedback? |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | A small fraction of the market will have problems with any new HD set and you will read about them on these threads. That doesn't mean that you will ever see a problem. Unless the DLP has a "Cablecard" or internal HD Tuner system, it's just a display device. I don't recommend purchasing a DLP with these internal devices. (something else to go wrong) I use a Samsung SIR TS360 Direct TV/Terrestrial receiver. It reboots when a software update is sent down the bitstream from the satelite and on a rare instance when my digital off-air signal is weakened by a thunderstorm. Other than that it is very reliable. The lamp issues are not occuring much anymore. They were specific to some models with the wrong lamp and some shipping damage issues. I have read only one lamp problem in an older Sammy P4663W lately. Most lamp talk is just unfounded concern. I've seen a few noisy color wheel posts, but they are easily resolved. It's cutting edge stuff, so, the extended warranty is a very good idea. It's a small price to pay for the best picture and the longest lasting technology available. 30+ year DMD chip) Cable tv sucks! Don't go there. Get a SAT signal for excellent standard def and fabulous HD. Get a regular UHF antenna for excellent local digital network broadcasts. This crap about splitting cable signal is ridiculous. |
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New member Username: Rar74Post Number: 3 Registered: Feb-05 | Hey "DLP for Me!", why didn't you go ALL CAPS in your last post along with the bold type? Seems like you have a name-calling issue as well. Noticed your idiot reference to another post earlier. Never wanted to "tangle" with you anyway. I just sit back and laugh at moron like yourself with the big dlp, "because projection has improved". I do this, because I have buddies who are morons and admit it after buying the dlp and are now p#ssed off at the screen unless they are 6'8" feet from it and directly in the center, and they have only spent a little less than the superior plasma or LCD. Dude, its not my fault your wife nags you and you are kicking yourself daily for getting on the bandwagon of dlp...., Since you couldn't afford the lcd or plasma, the pimple faced kid at BB showed you the "new" technology of dlp....you are the idiot. |
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raj111 Unregistered guest | Thanks "DLP for me" for your quick response. Help me out on my purchase decision. which DLP TV is the best buy (around $3500 price) in the market now a days (without the HD tuner)? I will buy the SIR TS360 Direct TV/Terrestrial receiver separately? what is a good place to buy that receiver? Also, which satelite service shall i get? i have never had any such outside hookups before. I own a 1992 25 inch tube TV with an indoor antenna. its about time to change and my values are reliabity first, then quality. when i spend around $4000 (with warrenty) on a DLP TV, i want to enjoy that for at least 10 years ( I know i will need to change the bulb every 4000 hours and i am ok with that). your input will be much appreciated as i am thinking of buying a DLP TV. Also, do you recommend waiting onther year before these DLP manufacturer removes most of the operating bugs from the DLP TV or is it relatively a safe time to buy. any idea on the price decline with time - say if i wait another 6 months or so, do you think the price will go down another 15% or so on these sets? last question: you know that we can find great deals for buying DLP TV's on internet. with the $500 or so in price saving (compared to local showroom) plus $300 on tax, i could save $800 if i buy the TV thru' a reputed internet dealter - also buy warrenty thru' them. what is your input on buying thru' authorized dealer versus internet dealer? thanks for your feedback. |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | raj111, Save even more money. Here are a couple of links. No time like the present. Call 1-800 Directv when your TS360 arrives because it's a DTV receiver. You will like it because it combines your off-air from the antenna input and the sat signal into one guide for easy selection. Looks like Digital 1234 has the best deal going right now on the much more reliable 74 series. Doesn't have to be a Sammy, though. Use the pricegrabber.com link to search Toshi, Mitsu, whatever. I like Sammy myself! [link removed] No need for DVI cable. Component (y, Pr, Pb) is excellent. I hope you have a Home Theater Surround Sound System. If not, you will want one with this set up. I got my Onkyo 602B receiver on eBay for $315 and I can shake the house. |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | raj111, I just noticed that Digital 1234 has the SIR TS360 for a little less on the same web page. |
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Anonymous | Good grief! It is wonderful to get all these informed updates, but is it necessary for all this negative name calling? After all, we are only talking about opinions on large screen "tellies". Anyway, thanks for all the valuable feedback and opinions. I am shopping for a large screen t.v. and appreciate all the advice and experiences. |
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New member Username: LamprightSyracuse, Utah USA Post Number: 10 Registered: Jan-05 | Ryan You sure exagerate a lot...if you can't be unbiased, why bother making a post. My DLP can be viewed from any position in my room and it looks great. Far, close, left, right, it all looks good. There is a subtle sweet spot directly in the center, but barily noticable. Unlike your one buddy with plasma-envy, I'm VERY happy with my DLP purchase and so are 4 of my buddies. If you want another negative mark for Plasma, the Air Force refuses to move them because they break too often during moving. So, anyone in the military, steer clear of plasma! |
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Bronze Member Username: Nu2itallFindlay, OH Post Number: 19 Registered: Oct-04 | I would put the picture on my DLP TV up against any picture from any other type of TV. There are no issues with positioning, I don't have a bad seat in my room. I've had a lot of people over in the past 4 months and no one has EVER mentioned "rainbows" or "screen door" or anything of the kind. The response is generally just ... "WOW" ... In addition, I take comfort in the fact that my biggest maintenance concern is maybe changing a bulb every few years and I don't have to worry about burn-in or occasional "adjustments". If you see "rainbows" in DLP TV's you have my condolences, that really sucks (for you). If you don't, then I'm absolutely convinced there is no better technology out there at this time and my advice is go for it. |
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Post Reader Unregistered guest | I think this is a great informative link. It's quite a bit of reading, but for those who want an unbiased in depth technical assessment of display technologies, it fits the bill. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1747573,00.asp ********************************************************************* |
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raj111 Unregistered guest | Thanks "DLP for me" for your help. What is a 74 series (more reliable)? Is it a DLP TV or Receiver? i was thinking of buying ONKYO 502B (a step lower than your 602B) and there is $150 price difference in the retail market between 502 and 602 series - as i was hoping to buy them at FRY's electronics - 502B for $270 and POLK surround speakers set of 5 and a 10" sub-woofer for $600. do you suggest a set of good speakers system which are cheaper than that? Also, is it safe to buy the DLP TV on internet warrenty wise? i mean, when i buy TV and of course the 4 year extended warrenty thru' the internet dealer, do they give you hard time when the repair is required? do you know of a reliable TV warrenty company on internet? i have heard that mitshubishi is best out there as far as the "projection technology". is that true? and if so, how far down the line sammy is on the list quality wise? - as i was reading the internet forum (just like this) in problems with samsung DLP and there were quite a few unhappy buyers with problems in first few months of purchase. Thanks a lot for your help. |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | raj111, The Onkyo 502 will work out fine. Speakers are a personal preference. If they sound good to you after comparing others, there ya go. I've already offered this link for the tv, receiver and warranty, which I think would be a fine way to go. You can certainly research on your own. Extended warranties will use your local authorized Samsung Service shop. They just pay the bill. I haven't read any horror stories about any of them. Mitsubishi DLP's have a screen that glares or reflects light from windows and lamps in the room. They don't top the available DLP projection market in my opinion. I've offered what I think is on top, both in manufacturer and model. [link removed] ******************************************************************** |
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raj111 Unregistered guest | Hi "DLP for Me", i plan to buy the sammy 5674 series at $3277. on the same site, i also see that sammy's 56" in their 63 series (5663) are selling at $2590. how come the same company, same technology, same size TV is selling $700 cheaper. does that mean 63 seris was that bad and has problems and are now selling cheap , and 74 series a much better because they have fixed the problems? what have they added to the 63 series that they are charging $700 more? when i looked at their specs, they both looked same! can you shed some light on these? do you think that the 74 series is very reliable? can you belive it that the 46" in 74 series is more in price ($2700) than 56" in 63 series($2590)? Thanks "DLP for me" |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | The specs are clearly not the same! I have the P5063W. I have replaced a lamp and a color wheel. All is fine. It's a fantastic set. Mine has an HD3 DMD chip which provides a 1500.1 contrast ratio, which I think is fine. The P5074W uses an HD2+ mustang DMD chip with a 2000.1 contrast ratio and a fourth generation light engine. It's better in picture quality and most think, more reliable than the 63's. I won't tell you to get a 63 model, even though I own one and wouldn't trade it for anything. I was willing to upgrade the defective parts through 1-800-SAMSUNG 1 year factory warranty. Most people are not and they start swapping sets with the local store hoping to get a perfect one. I chose to fix the first one that came. These are "new inventions". I haven't read a single negative post on the 74 series, so, I think they are the most refined version. They are certainly the newest version too. |
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newtoDLP Unregistered guest | DLP for Me, thanks for your insight. I have the local Hawthorn offering the hlp4663 for 2100, and the hlp4674 for 2700. Combined with the 200 samsung rebate with a HD service I want to jump right in. The only problem is the store has to order the 74 series, and it takes 30 days. By that time the samsung 200 rebate is over. I wonder what the next month or two will offer in rebates or price reductions. I have considered waiting for the new sets at 1080p, but cannot help to think what that price would be. Also, who is broadcasting anything at 1080p? newtoDLP |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | I see the internet sights flush with 74's again. I'm thinking Hawthorn is giving you a worst case date of availability. I'm sure you can buy in, then push the activation date until the set arrives and get the $200 rebate. They will work with you so you don't miss it. As for 1080P, it's not the indusry standard, so, all broadcasts will be upscaled for a while. These sets will be two to three times the price of today's models for a few years. I'm not seeing any real advantage at this time. My eyes tell me that 720P in HD is stunning. The water looks wet. My DLP is practically a window on reality viewing the Discovery HD channel. The 50" set is the right size for me from a distance of 10-12 feet. Direct TV's 480I/P standard def signal is very clear. I read a lot of complaints from folks with a 61" about SD signal, but mostly from cable subscribers. |
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New member Username: Kg21Post Number: 2 Registered: Jan-05 | What is the difference between the Sammy HL-P5674W and the Sammy HL-P5685W? Also, is it true that Samsung is going to integrate a built-in tuner in these tvs next month? |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | The 85 has speakers on the sides and has a built on pedistal. If you mean HD integrated tuner, I think newer models will have "CableCard"...whoopee-doo. No guide or pay-per-view unless you use the cable company's set-top-box. Boy...they were real ready...NOT! Standard cable signal is horrible anyway. I'm reading that Mitsu sets with "CableCard" are frequently rebooting and freezing up. I think I'll keep my external receiver, thank you very much! |
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New member Username: Kg21Post Number: 3 Registered: Jan-05 | Can you please explain to me what they mean by hd-built in and hd ready? |
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Bronze Member Username: LamprightSyracuse, Utah USA Post Number: 18 Registered: Jan-05 | HD ready means no HD decoder, hd built in means it has a decoder inside the TV. I purchased a Mitsubishi 52725 which has the decoder, but honestly, I don't use it because I have a comcast HD DVR which does all the decoding. If you have satellite you'll have an external box as well that does all of the decoding. The only time you'll want an internal decoder is for an antenna for local stations broadcasting HD and you don't have an external box from satellite to do it for you. Or, cablecard, but right now cablecard is too buggy, it's useless until the bugs are worked out. An internal decoder is nice to have, but it's far from a must have. Personally, I will never go without a Tivo(DVR), so I will always have an external box doing my decoding. |
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PFC5 Unregistered guest | raj111: I have gone through 7 DLPs trying to find one that doesn't have problems with shadows or lip-sync issues. I have kept trying because DLPs have the best picture with excellent blacks and will not deteriorate after 4000 hours (like LCD RP will). I would wear out an LCD RP in one year, because I put about 5000 hours per year on the main TV in my house. I FINALLY FOUND ONE THAT DOES JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!  Of course it was the last one I tried. I bought an RCA Scenium DLP. Even though I have one more swap out (because BestBuy sent me one with a HD3 chip instead of the HD2+ chip), the HD50LPW164 with the HD3 chip is an EXCELLENT TV. I almost don't want to exchange it for the HD50LPW162 with the HD2+ chip, but I know the 162 will look even better than the already excellent picture on the 164 with the HD3 chip. I just wish Bestbuy or Circuit City had the 163 model that has the HD2+ chip AND RCA's "Netconnect" which allows broadband internet surfing with the built-in Windows CE. I really didn't want an RCA because of a bad experience with their lack of service on a 45 day old DVD player some years back, but it has a great picture on HD, automatic zoom on non-HD signals, no lip-sync (like SAMSUNG), EXCELLENT performance on areas with shadows (unlike the LG), NO "WAXY" look on faces (like the Samsung), a low glare screen (unlike the Mits 525), and only $2000.00 excluding 4 year Bestbuy warranty and tax. Definately get the extending warranty IF IT COMES WITH BULB COVERAGE. If they say it does, GET IT IN WRITING!!!!!!! For the record, probably the reason that the newer RCAs have a great picture is because Infocus does the light engine for them. I would probably stay away from anything other than the HD??LPW162, 163, 164, or 165 models (substitute "??" with screen size of either 44, 50, or 61 depending on model). The earlier models didn't except a 720p signal directly. You had to change it to 1080i or downscale to 480p. That means it wouldn't handle the native screen resolution of 1280 x 720 of the DLP chip on the earlier models. I am clueless as to how they ever justified doing that on the earlier models, but it is not a problem with the newer models above. The HD50LPW164 I have looks great. If you have access to Broadband Internet, I would seriously consider the cheaper HD3 chip in the HD44LPW165, HD50LPW165, or the HD61LPW165 that has "netconnect". I couldn't see one until that "wrong model" arrived, and it has THE BEST picture of any HD3 DLP out there. Good luck! |
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FYI Unregistered guest | I guess that means you will have gone through 8 DLP's. Now that's persistance. Tell us, did you take your game player to the store or were all of these sets delivered and returned? |
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Anonymous | You made the strongest case yet for not buying a DLP, even aside from the dizziness/headache risk of the color wheel 5000 hrs per year of a spinning color wheel tricking the eye. I think that is referred to as EYEBALL ABUSE. Can anyone even survive that? |
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FYI Unregistered guest | Well...it all tricks the eye...doesn't it! The ABUSE may well be felt by the one who reaches into their wallet first or maybe just the deepest! |
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Anonymous | in normal parlance LCD doesn't trick the eye nor does 3 chip DLP in the manner a single chip color wheel based DLP does, spinning at typically 7200 revolutions per minute They should handout VISINE eye drops with these sets |
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FYI Unregistered guest | Who are you trying fool, besides yourself. Television is all about tricking the eye. It's all about assembling lines of resolution using colored pixels. Technologies used to produce colored pixels and line them up, differ, but it's all an illusion in the display. Your knowledge of DLP is lacking. Seven segment color wheels turning at 10,800 rpm produce an "accurate" color spectrum with no visual artifacts. Three chip DLP's use a glass prism to devide colored light into three color spectrums, one for each chip. Sophisticated CMOS circuits assemble light from all three chips to create "accurate" color pixels thereby eliminating the color wheel. (Very expensive at this time, but a new affordable prism module is on the horizon for RPTV's.) With DLP it's all done with light. By comparison, LCD displays are going to loose their blue first and pixels will start to yellow in 2 to 3 years. (3000 to 4000 hours) The liquid crystals are comprised of organic matter, which is altered by light and heat over time. The contrast will fade to black in a few short years. The display will be irrepairable, however expensively replaceable, and therefore not very practical. You shouldn't come in on the end of informative threads with unsubstantiated or ignorant comments. It only makes you look like an un-informed fool. There are links in this thread that provide supporting facts. I think you should back-track and do some reading. |
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Bronze Member Username: BuzzPost Number: 12 Registered: Jan-05 | PFC5 said: " I have kept trying because DLPs have the best picture with excellent blacks and will not deteriorate after 4000 hours (like LCD RP will)." Where did you hear that a LCD projection TV will deteriorate after 4000 hours? |
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FYI Unregistered guest | Actually, it's before 4000 hours! http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0%2C1558%2C1049289%2C00.asp?kc=ETNKT0209KTX1 ********************************************************************** |
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Anonymous | Looks like DLP fanatics getting desperate Why not just make this a Texas Instruments press release board? |
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FLBuckeye Unregistered guest | For those considering DLP and RP LCD I would direct them to check out the thread here on JVC Lcos D-Ila technology (titled: JVC HD52Z575 D-ILA TV). Over 1700 posts and the owners are overwhelmingly happy with that technology. My local BJ's Club is selling a 50" RCA DLP and I see the "rainbow effect" everytime I go in there. I could not live with that. I don't know if it's that particular set or that paricular model or the DLP technology. |
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Curious1 Unregistered guest | I think all the new RPTV's have their own set of problems and we're the guinea pigs! All the HD displays look incredible. None of them are time-tested. For the first time, the extended warranty seems like a real bargain! |
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xkapone Unregistered guest | Anybody have an opinion on Panasonic -dlp's or lcd's? I can get a good deal on a Panasonic but nobody seems to tout them...and the biggest dlp they make is a 50" |
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Anonymous | You really need mega-sized pictures to get all the detail produced by hi def broadcasts. If you have a light controlled room you should at least consider the recently introduced and now world's top selling front projector the (hi def 720p) Panasonic PT-AE700u LCD, selling at about 2200 dollars with approx an extra 200 dollars for a 92 inch 16:9 aspect ratio screen The Pan 60" LCD rear projector is not a bad unit either, however like any LCD you need to set aside some money in case of bulb failure etc, and of course its a fairly large piece of furniture Front projectors have one other advantage, given their small size, they are easily bought via the internet, which gives you about a 20% edge all things equal over the heavyweight LCD/DLP, and worse of course CRT units, which people understandably are reluctant to have shipped long distance in Best Buy etc people when buying for example a 50 to 60 inch Pan or Sony rear projection often drop 400 on the "PSP" warranty (a ripoff actually), 400 plus dollars on the stand, and then pay the in-store premium over the internet mark-down price - probably 300 to 600 more Add it up and you are 2/3rd the cost of a new generation top of the line front LCD projector, which only requires a screen and a shelf (or table) and will produce a picture clearly blowing away anything on display in Best Buy or Circuit City |
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Anonymous | its common knowledge color wheels (regardless of recent fixes) create headache/eyestrain/rainbow problems with many viewers, and its the precise reason why interest in JVC D-ILA technology has been so strong - since its the first relatively (now) low cost 3 chip design Single chip color wheels are used to save $$$ for the manufacturers, nothing more |
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Post Reader Unregistered guest | DLP Strongest Points: Darkest black-level and highest Dynamic Range of all the flat-panels • Closest match to CRT Gamma and primary colors • Perfect color registration for units with a color wheel • High pixel fill factor of 90 percent produces a smooth yet sharp image with no apparent pixelation except close up to the screen • Pixel intensities generated by the digital DMD chip are digitally precise, stable and reproducible • Very fast pixel response times and few motion artifacts. Very little aging effects other than lamp dimming and replacement. DLP Weakest Points: Spatial and temporal dithering produce some noise and false contouring in dark images • Color wheel rainbow artifacts • Possible visual fatigue due to temporal dithering and rainbow artifacts. "Some" people report significant discomfort but "most" people don't appear to be affected. LCD Strongest Points: Direct-view LCDs produce exceptionally sharp, high contrast images, including fine text and graphics • Brightest of all the display technologies • Highest resolution of all the flat panels. LCD panel intensity is controlled by an analog signal, which allows it to produce a smooth intensity-scale that is free of dithering noise and artifacts, especially at the dark-end of the scale (but most current digital signal processing implementations don't take advantage of this due to insufficient bit-depth) • Image noise resulting from poor quality video signals was less apparent due to the slower pixel response times • Low reflection of ambient light due to the panel's polarizers and color filters • The thinnest displays available and also not very heavy • Perfectly quiet for normal viewing (but on some models fans turn on at the brightest backlight settings). LCD Weakest Points: Relatively bright black-level • Brightness and color saturation generally decrease as the viewing angle increases. Same effect also produces hue errors that increase with viewing angle • Black-level generally increases with viewing angle • Slowest response time of all the displays leads to motion flicker, smear and artifacts • Lowest pixel fill factor or aperture ratio of the technologies, which often results in visible pixelation and the Screen Door Effect due to visible gaps between pixels. Less noticeable at higher resolutions and greater viewing distances • Possible uneven light distribution from the backlight • Fixed native resolution. Rescaling required for other resolution formats. Other LCD Artifacts: S shaped Transfer Characteristic often leads to gray-scale compression and saturation near peak white and a poor quality gray-scale near black • Variations in screen brightness and color uniformity and a slightly mottled background • Variations in the panel's analog signal response can lead to color tracking errors • Irregularities at the dark-end of the gray-scale due to insufficient signal processing bit-depth. Reasearched by Dr. Raymond Soneira http://www.extremetech.com/author_bio/0,1589,a=3255,00.asp |
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FYI Unregistered guest | Nobody should confuse the 3 chip LCOS/D-ILA rear projection technology with the 3 chip prism DLP front projection technology, which is still very expensive. (about 23k) They are completely different. LCOS/D-ILA produces artificial color by applying electrons to excite liquid non-organic matter in a quartz glass and silicon micro-panel. Each chip generates one of the three primary colors. By contrast, the DLP technology takes white lamp light through a prism that refracts and devides the light into the three primary colors. Each natural color is fed to it's own digital micro-mirror device (DMD chip). A new affordable prism module is being developed by Texas Instruments for future RPTV's.) |
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New Guy Unregistered guest | PLEASE HELP ME.....I have a samsung DLP and the "3lights of death" have occured twice in 3 days. I have a loaner Sony LCD 50" and I am trying to decide which to go with LCD or DLP. I dont want to keep dealing w/bulb issues every 3mos, and I dont want to deal with replacement after 3000 hrs |
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Bustnchops Unregistered guest | FNG, Take up a hobby. Preferably outdoors! |
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LCD Guy Unregistered guest | I wouldn't believe everything you read concerning negativity towards LCD projection. After two weeks of shopping at different stores, I settled on the Sony 55" Grand Wega. I did so because it simply had the best picture quality for the price. Furthermore, as for as reliability, I talked to several salesmen from different stores where these TV's are running over 12 hours per day, and the sony has not experienced any so called "yellow fading" as some test from Texas Instruments suggests. Talk about a biased test. Give me a F@#$ing break. I'll take my chances with the LCD instead of jumping on the DLP band wagon. Think about it, if LCD was that bad, Sony and Hatachi would not manufacture it. Sony doesn't even make a DLP. |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | I wouldn't believe anything LCD Guy has to say about LCD reliability. He listens to sales guys who see sets less than a year because new models come in and cycle them out. He thinks Texas Instruments conducted the LCD vs DLP "Torture Test" rather than the independent Rochester Institute of Technology's Munsell Color Science Laboratory. Give him a F@#$ing LCD. He's a member of the "throw away" society. I'll put my money on DLP technology. Nobody has evidence that the DMD chip will fail, unlike cathodes or liquid crystals, which are bombarded by electrons. It may be thirty years or more before the actual lifespan of a DLP is determined. After all, it's just light and mirrors. Who cares about "HATachi" (it's Hitachi you dumb b^stard) or Sony. The heart of long-lasting DLP technology is "Made in America" in Dallas, Texas. And don't worry about your damn little lamp Mr. New Guy. It's like changing a light bulb once every two years or so. They made a panel just so you can do it yourself. Then your DLP looks like a bright new tv, year after year after year after year.......I like things that last! |
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New Guy Unregistered guest | Thank you both.... Mr. DLP what would you say to the school of thought that samsung is computer company now making tv's; and as such instead of fixing problem...they simply release a newer version? I love the picture of my DLP...so I will deal w/bulb issue. Thanks for input |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | I'd say they were first a pioneer in the semi-conductor industry since 1938. I'd say that since then, they have matured into a corporation that exceeds 101 billion in yearly net sales through 14 owned subsidiaries. Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. - Samsung SDI Co., Ltd. - Samsung Electro-Mechanics Co., Ltd. - Samsung Techwin Co., Ltd. - Samsung Heavy Industries Co., Ltd. - Samsung Chemicals Co., Ltd. - Samsung Fire & Marine Insurance Co., Ltd. - Samsung Securities Co., Ltd. - Samsung Corporation - Samsung Engineering Co., Ltd. - Cheil Industries Inc. - Shilla Hotels and Resorts Co., Ltd. - SI Corporation They employ over 41,000 R&D people. My experience has been that they address issues of concern with previous models. Take the color wheel, for instance. When they discovered a reliability issue, early on, they implimented "air bearing" frictionless technology to replace them. When a run of Toshi lamps experienced early failure they went with Phillips lamps. They are producing useable DLP technology that is evolving as fast as the Pentium chip did. To hold their market share they have to produce and release new models. I have had excellent factory warranty service twice on my HLP5063W for the above mentioned conditions and it seems to be fine now. I have a five year extended warranty simply because these are new inventions. It's the smart thing to do, especially if they cover a lamp or two. The picture is stunning. I haven't seen anything that compares. To think it will always look this good year after year without ever degrading is an intriguing draw for me. I still want a 3 chip prism DLP (no color wheel) when they become affordable and available in rear projection sets. I think lasting natural light displays are the future in television. |
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LCD Guy Unregistered guest | Hey, just an FYI for you Mr DLP, your TV will be obsolete by the end of the year anyway, when the next generation of TV's are released. If I get 5 years out of my LCD, then that will be okay with me. By then, there will be something else out that will blow it away. And no, I don't believe everything a pimple faced salesman tells me. I know of three people that have had their LCD projection TV's for over a year now, and other than a bulb replacement, have had no problems and the picture looks as good as the day they brought it home. I'm not saying by any means that DLP is a bad choice. I was seriously considering buying the Mitsubishi 52" or 62", but I scored a really good deal on the Sony. All of the DLP's I looked at were noticably darker than the LCD's. I am not sure if this is just how the factory sets them up, but every place I shopped at was the same. Maybe that's why the LCD's are outselling DLP's. As far as the test comparing the two technologies, I obtained my info from the following link: http://www.projectorcentral.com/lcd_dlp_test.htm Keep in mind too that this test was performed July of 2003, and I know for a fact that both technologies have advanced since then. |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | Just like I said, you're a member of the "throw away" society. The 720P resolution won't be "obsolete" for decades. The contrast ratio won't make that much difference. I wouldn't place any faith in a biased speculative article from projectorcentral.com as they are trying to compare what was appropriately called a "Torture Test" to normal operating conditions. It's apples and oranges. I agree that both technologies have advanced. I think LCOS/D-ILA and DLP will be around for many years as everything else fades to black. |
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LCD Guy Unregistered guest | You say 720p won't be obsolete for decades? Lay off the crack pipe, they are already talking about 1080p later this year. As far as LCOS/D-ILA, there have been production issues , which is why not many manufacturers have adopted this technology. Because they generate color in much the same way as DLP projection systems, single-chip LCOS systems can share DLP's problem of "rainbow effect" artifacts. Most viewers won't notice this, but some people will and it can be a real distraction. The new 10,000+ rpm 7 segment color wheels are supposed to help. However, the new 74 series Samsung models went back to the 6 segment wheels in an effort to save money. Way to go Samsung! A step back in technology. Conversely, 3-chip LCOS systems avoid the rainbow effect, but rely on very precise calibration in the manufacturing process to accurately recombine the color components. Since such calibrations are inherently imperfect (if only to a miniscule degree), 3-chip systems may suffer very slightly in the sharpness category. Each technology clearly has it's pros and cons, but my Sony 55" looks awesome, especially with DVD's and the built in HD tuner is a nice feature too. |
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DLP for Me! Unregistered guest | There is no programming being broadcasted in 1080P at this time nor will there be in the near future. Anyone purchasing a native 1080P display will be upscaling 720P programming for a long time to come. There are 1080I broadcasts now, which I scale to 720P because it handles motion better. When it comes to the crack pipe, you have taken too big a hit if you think LCOS/D-ILA and DLP generate color the same way. You need to do your homework. Go to this link and click on "Launch the demo" for a look at how DLP works. As you can see they are clearly two very different display technologies. DLP is all natural light and mirrors. (natural colored light) D-ILA is electrons exciting non-organic liquid housed in quartz glass. (synthetic color) There will never be a rainbow on a D-ILA display. It's physically impossible. You try to come off like you know what you're talking about, but you need to read, read, read to keep up with someone that actually does. Otherwise, you sound like a confused fool. |
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LCD Guy Unregistered guest | Information regarding higher resolution broadcasting can be found in the latest Consumer Reports. 1080p is just around the corner. I have already seen the sites you listed. There are two classes of LCOS light engines, single-chip and three-chip. In a single-chip system, light is filtered through a color-wheel system similar to that employed by DLP projection systems. The sequence of colors produced is then temporarilly coordinated with the modulation of light by the liquid crystals, producing subtle color variations. Three-chip displays use a system of prisms to split a single light source into its red, green and blue components (analogous to the three tubes in a CRT projection system). So before you go piping off about me not knowing what I'm talking about, you better get your facts straight. Maybe your head is starting to hurt from all the rainbow effects coming from your DLP Samsuck. |
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Bronze Member Username: LamprightSyracuse, Utah USA Post Number: 32 Registered: Jan-05 | You won't see 1080p being broadcast on a large scale for a very long time. From what I've read, even HD DVD won't be 1080p. And since it's a toss up as to weather 720p or 1080i is better, DLP for Me is right, 720p will be around for a very long time and anyone with a DLP or LCD will be happy with it even when the new 1080 chips and panels come out. Personally, I'm very happy with my DLP. I think if I ownded the 55" Sony I'd be equally as happy. But I got a better deal on my 52" mitsu, so that's that. The ONLY reason I'd consider upgrading to the new 1080p chip would be for using a computer on it at 1920x1080. That would be pretty cool. And something else I'd like to point out...the main reason most people purchase Sony is because of the name brand recognition. If they were selling DLP instead of LCD, they would be selling the same number of units. If you really study the different technologies in microdisplay's, DLP does win the battle of who's best. Really it's only downfall is the rainbow effect which is only seen by less than 5% of the population. Other than that it has many qualities that beat out LCD. All the articles I've read point to DLP as being king of the hill for now.... |
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LCD Guy Unregistered guest | Brian, you make some good points. As far as how soon 1080p will arrive, nobody knows for sure yet, but for Mr. DLP to say 720p will not be obsolete for "decades" is ludicrous. This technolgy is still rapidly progressing, and the sky is the limit. But as far as the so-called reliabilty issue with LCD's I believe that the information out there is unfounded. Look at how long many LCD computer monitors have been in service. It's understandable that there will be some degradation over time, but to say that the TV would be unviewable in as little as 4000 hrs is rediculous, and all I say to anyone reading this thread that is looking at buying a projection TV, is to study them all carefully and spend plenty of time viewing them in the store. Brian, you are right in that Sony has a following, but I have NEVER been a Sony fan, and ended up chosing it for the picture quality and price. The black level issue people rant and rave about is overly hyped and can be improved by tweaking the brightness setting. |
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