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Anonymous | Okay after doing lots of research online and going through many reviews...I've come to a decision between the Toshiba 52HMX84 & the Samsung HL-P5085W. Now I would like to know if there are any members here with either set and if so what are its pros and cons. Does the Tosh 52 deliver the most vivid picture on any DLP today and does the Samsung 5085W still have problems such as a noisy color wheel and watermarks/smudges on the screen. Would appreciate any feedback. |
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Klaus Unregistered guest | Many of the color wheel issues on the Samsung appear to have been addressed, for how long who knows. The Toshiba has virtually the same technology so all things being equal, similar maintenance should be required over the long haul. The screen issue is covered by a Samsung bulletin, however I have seen the same issue in other brands as well, with no matching bulletins mentioned. If you like the style, the 5085 has excellent PQ. If you are more interested in traditional style try the HLP5674. Same chip, 6 segment color wheel, great picture in a very slim case. |
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Anonymous | Thanks for the reply, I'll decide by the end of the day. Hopefully I'll get enough feedback from you guys and decide which set to get. |
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FYI Unregistered guest | I have a Samsung! I think the picture is unmatched. Something about the screens reflectivity makes them superior. Next to the Toshi, the Samsung had a sharper image and colors were more vivid even after making adjustments. I saw a thread where Toshi's are getting vertical black lines. Here it is. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/119924.html Unless you think that built-in pedestal on the 85 is cool, the placing of components and hiding wires can be tricky without the matching stand. The 5674 series doesn't seem to have production issues and the screen is a little larger. |
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Anonymous | I should've mentioned that the Toshiba model is the Cinema series (52HMX84), not the 52HM84. http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=52HMX84 http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=52hm84 Called a Crutchfield advisor and they also recommended the Samsung HL-P5085W. Now I don't know if that was done mainly because its a few hundred more or its just a better set overall. I am still haunted by the past 2 Samsung DLPs I went through, noisy color wheel and smudges on the screen. Can any confirm that those issues have been handled? |
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Klaus Unregistered guest | Anonymous: I have had an HLP4674 since November with no issues other than the screen smudges. I will deal with that recall later, it is not critical. The picture is fabulous, no noises, start issues, or sound sync issues and I use it with a surround system 100% not even a audio connection to the tv. |
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Anonymous | I previously owned HL-P5063W and had to exchange them twice, smudges which is something I should've let Samsung handle and a noisy color wheel. My only gripe about that model was the contrast ratio and the green hue it had but other than that when playing movies even when not using HDMI, it looks simply amazing. I was shocked of the detail on movies like Shrek, Toy Story and Superbit Edition of Spidey 2. So I now have a week to decide on which model I'll plunk money down on so it's between these 2... |
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Klaus Unregistered guest | Sperbit Spidey 2 is awesome! Same goes for LOR SE trilogy |
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New member Username: DkaleitaPost Number: 1 Registered: Feb-05 | Can anyone tell me if any manufacturer makes a rear-projection table-top (not pedestel) DLP HD set that uses the HD2+ chip and 7-segment color wheel that I can buy TODAY? I'm finding plenty of HD2+ non-pedestel sets from Samsung, Toshiba and others, but none incorporate a 7-segment 10K RPM color wheel as far as I can tell. I am very sensitive to the rainbowing effect in every set I've viewed so far with the 6-segment or less color wheels, and my set-up will not accept a pedestel. |
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Klaus Unregistered guest | Dave": Have you checked the Mitsubishi? |
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Anonymous | Okay I just learned this a few minutes ago, the Toshiba will not allow adjustment to 4:3 source material. Therefore it'll result with gray bars on the sides of the screen, can anyone confirm this for regular TV viewing as well as 4:3 Season DVDs? |
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RinFL Unregistered guest | The Toshiba DLPs will allow aspect ratio adjustment to ALL material, regardless of whether its 4:3 or 16:9, as long as the signal is 480i, 480p, or 1080i. It will NOT allow adjustment to the aspect ratio if the signal is 720p (the set's native resolution). The gray bars can be eliminated by using one of the set's stretch/zoom modes. |
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Anonymous | I received my new HLP-5674W P.M. on 2/18. I'm no expert by any means. However, I have been studying these DLP units for one year and was waiting patiently for the 5674 to debut. This is the most spectacular machine I have seen (for the dollar, that is). There is nothing in my opinion that compares! My SIR-TS360 HDTV tuner arrived at the same time. So far so good! I have to tell you though SD is now history for me! Voom is on the near horizon. You can take this review with a grain of salt as this Sammy replaces my 1983 Zenith Space Command 25" unit. Heck it's one year older than my youngest child and she's a junior in college. Norman |
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Anonymous | Well I'll take the dive next week and still haven't decided on which DLP I should go for. I checked the AVS forums and a few have mentioned poor picture quality on 4:3 material and Toshiba's response to this was that the set is simply meant for HD programming. Now being that I don't own a Toshiba MX model, I'm a bit hesitant. I however do like the design to the Samsung 85W series but what I am still concerned about is the smudges on the screen and color wheel issues. Yeah I know this is getting a bit repetitive but to anyone out there with either model post your findings. It'll be much appreciated. |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | Dave, Well, The Panasonic has a HD2+ chip with a high speed *8* segment color wheel. It does not have a pedestal. Rainbowing is less severe on this Panny DLP than on other DLP's, though if you are rainbow prone you will probably still see SOME. |
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New member Username: DkaleitaPost Number: 2 Registered: Feb-05 | Klaus mentioned a Mitsubishi and DLP-Dave mentioned a Panasonic. Do you know the model numbers for these? I'm looking for something that is 55" (diagonal) or larger. Seems funny that Samsung is making most of the press announcements on HD2+ and color wheels that have more than six segments, but two other companies may have beat them to market with those features! |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | The Panasonic is the PT-50DL54, which is a 50". There is also the PT-60DL54, a 60" incher, but it is pretty hard to find, especially in the U.S. The speed on the color wheel is 10,800 RPM on the Panasonic models. I think it is a superb set, and has the best PQ of any DLP in both SD and HD. That's why I bought one last week. ;-) |
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Bronze Member Username: 514329Post Number: 47 Registered: Jun-04 | just curious, is the clay face and rainbow effect nonexistent on this model (PT-50DL54) and is it also good on just an analog signal like standard cable? I have the Sam HL-P5674W but still notice clay face but impressive on analog signal beside getting it for $2750. still no dicission if to swap it w/ other brand. thanks! |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | I think the Panny is very good in SD. It smoked the Mits and JVC in a SD test I did in the showroom. I didn't see it vs. the Sammy's. They were not nearby. I haven't ever noticed the clay face problem. Rainbows are reduced on this model because of the 8 segment high speed color weel, but it *IS* a one-chip DLP and as such, you may see them. I see them only when I am distracted and my eyes look away from the screen. Here is a review of this TV for those of you who may be interested: http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptvreviews/panasonic-pt50dl54.html |
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Klaus Unregistered guest | 514329: The cable cards are one way only so you lose on demand, guide and pay per view. As far as Panasonic, you might want to check this thread. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/121989.html |
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Bronze Member Username: 514329Post Number: 48 Registered: Jun-04 | I just been to the store a while ago and check the Panasonic PT-50DL54 and made comparison w/ Mits 8 segment, JVC 3 chips ILA and it is awesome and the Mits and JVC are no match. the Sam HL-P5674W and Pan PT50DL54 are the best right now but somehow, the Sam are brighter. |
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DLP4me! Unregistered guest | I'm sure the Pani DLP is using a different lamp manufacturer than the one they are using in all their LCD's that keep failing prematurely. I would check it out anyway, though. Can't really beat the P5674 as it is by far, the best DLP on the market today. |
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Bronze Member Username: 514329Post Number: 50 Registered: Jun-04 | I agree on that. that was my impression as soon as I compared the four of them. my salesman and I did made the best video adjustment we could possibly can do on all 4 of them right there in the store and still, the Sam still comes out the best of them second by the Pan. even my salesman just found that out too. |
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Unregistered guest | I am considering getting a Samsung HLP5674W 56" DLP - anyone heard of any problems with this set or have any reasons why I should not consider? |
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New member Username: BertaPost Number: 10 Registered: Mar-05 | PaulG, From other threads, I am hearing the Sammy P5674W is terrific. Great buy. |
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PaulG Unregistered guest | what is a Tantus model? |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | Personally, I think the Panasonic is superior to the 74 series. The 85 series however, may be slightly superior to the Panny, but I don't like the pedestal look. The 74 Series has a slower (9000 RPM), 6-segment color wheel, compared to the Panny's 10800 RPM 8-segment color wheel. The 85 series has the same speed color wheel as the Panny, but with a 7 segment color wheel. The March Consumer Reports rates the Sammy 50" 85 model #1 and the Panny 50" #2, with the 56" 85 series model #3. I also think the Panny has a better scaler than the 74 series for viewing SD. SD looks terrific at home on my Panny, to the point that while watching the NBA on TNT last night, I thought I might have been watching HD somehow (since TNT has an HD version of their channel) but no, I checked, it was just the regular TNT. |
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Unregistered guest | I was interested in a screen a little larger than the 50" offered by Panny.....any suggestions? Also, what is SD? I am still getting oriented to all of the terms and abbreviations. Finally, have you heard of any problems the Sammy 74 series has or did it correct alot of the problems inherent in their 63 models? |
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DLP4me! Unregistered guest | Better to stay away from Pan...ic! The premature lamp failure will be a black hole for your cash. SD stands for Standard Definition or the old NTCS 4:3 format we all watched for decades on the picture tubes. The Sammy P5674 is the best DLP on the market today. No known production issues and lots of happy posts on this forum. |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | Paul, If you do want a larger screen, then I agree that the 5674 would probably be the best bet. There is a 60" Panasonic, but it is hard to find. I think it is in stores in Canada only for some reason, and it can be found online with a bit of detective work. SD means "standard definition"...basically the TV that we've been watching all these years (and still 90% of the channels are in SD for the foreseeable future) technically called 480i. ED, or enhanced definition is the resolution used by DVD, also called 480p. HD, or high definition, is also called 720p. I am not sure about whether the 74 series is better reliability-wise than the 63 series, but I know that the Panasonic has been so reliable that the only major complaint about it is the fan noise. Fan noise is somewhat of a problem on all DLP's, but on most of them, fan noise is drowned out by other more major problems. You could check www.avsforum.com in the Rear Projection Units forum...they have more information about reliability of individual models. You'll find plenty there to keep you busy. |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | Panny lamp failure was mostly related to the older LCD models. There is no evidence that the problem exists on the newer LCD and DLP units, which use different lamps. |
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Anon2 Unregistered guest | DLP-Dave, I'll bet you're hoping that's the case. I wouldn't bet my money on it. The one thing that the lamp issue has shined light on is customer service. I don't see a single post that sings any praises of that. Very telling, in my opinion! The only fan noise threads I've seen are all RCA related. Now, I can add Pani to that list. Thanks for the avsforum link. |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | Anon2, Well, the LCD 14 series has been out for almost a year and there has not been any uproar about the lamp, in decided contrast to the 13 series. As far as the DLP, I'm confident about it. You know, the words I got wrong in spelling are the ones that I never get wrong now. In the same way, I'm sure Panasonic made very sure not to repeat their mistakes of the 13 series. But of course, I hedged my bet anyway. I have a 3 year lamp warranty, even though I haven't heard of any problems with the Panny DLP lamps. As far as fan noise, you must be kidding! I've heard fan noise complaints about every single DLP and LCD model out there. These things get pretty hot, and a pretty decent fan is needed to cool them. |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | BTW, for all those looking at the Panny DLP (and if you're not, you should be!), Tweeter has a great price online on it. Free shipping too. You can return it to the store...but make sure you have a Tweeter within driving distance. |
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Anon2 Unregistered guest | I'm not kidding...about the fan noise! Could you direct me to a thread with a recent fan noise post that's not RCA or Pani related? I'll start looking on my own as well. Thanks! |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | Anon2, go to www.avsforum.com, under the Rear Projection Units forum, there they have threads about pretty much every model and they all have some fan noise complaints. The Mits DLP fan is reputed to be the loudest of all. I certainly thought so, in the store. However, the Mits also is plagued with other problems. When there is problems on the actual screen and PQ is affected, the fan noise problem doesn't get as much emphasis. When the picture is absolutely gorgeous and has no flaws, then fan noise becomes an issue. |
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AnonymousAgain Unregistered guest | The Panny DLP 50" is awesome and has one of the best pictures in the DLP market, of course this is my subjective opinion. I own a Sammy 5685 and I like the pedestal and the picture is right on par with the Panasonic if not a little better, but I am partial to my purchase. The 5674 is nice but put it against the Panasonic side by side and you will see the difference, especially with SD material like DLP-Dave stated. I like the Mitsubishi but the glare is terrible, I know its removable, I just hate the thought of having to take apart a brand new tv even if it is a cosmetic issue. Just do what I did. Go to all the stores and stare at each unit for a long time. Ask to play with them and hook up DVD's and watch standard television channels, etc. |
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RaveD Unregistered guest | I am skeptical that anyone can actually tell the difference between the Sammy 5685 and 5674. They have the same light engine, the only difference being the color wheel. With both sets calibrated, I think you'd need super-human vision to detect that. |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | The 85 Series Color wheel is faster and has more segments than the 74 series. Being Sammy's top of the line set, the 85 series also has a better scaler and other features which add up to a better PQ. I could tell the difference in store pretty obviously. I was captivated by the Samsung 85. The 74 didn't do much for me. The Panny also is just as captivating as the 85 when calibrated decently. The Panny settings really allow a large range of possibilities though, so if it's not calibrated decently (try the settings at the dlptvreview.com review if you want to view it in a reasonably calibrated state), the Panny can look rather bad. |
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RaveD Unregistered guest | That's good to know ... the Sammy 4674 was a close #2 on my list below the JVC 52Z575. Looks like the JVC is distancing itself... |
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RaveD Unregistered guest | That's good to know ... the Sammy 4674 was a close #2 on my list below the JVC 52Z575. Looks like the JVC is distancing itself... |
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New member Username: Q445187Boise, Idaho Post Number: 3 Registered: Mar-05 | I own a Sammy HLN507 & have loved it, there is nothing like the Sammy picture. There is one exception however, the 1080i input issue that gave me hell with my PS2. Samsung is replacing it with an HLP5067 at no charge. IF YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES the HLP5067 is CURRENTLY the ONLY Samsung that will NOT give you synch issues. THis came straight from the product specialist. |
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Unregistered guest | DLP-Dave, Where do I get this 60" Panny DLP (60DL54)? I can ONLY find it in canada. Searched the web up and down. Although certain companies claim to have it "in stock" when you call them they admit that they do not. Where did you get yours? Any idea where I could get one? Do you know when the 60DLD64 will be out? Thanks in advance. Michael McLaughlin |
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DLP-Dave Unregistered guest | Michael, I do not have it...I have the 50". As far as I know, you can only get it in Canada. You might find one on Ebay from a reputable dealer. There might be a few web sellers that actually have it, but that's about it. If you like the Panasonic's and want a bigger screen, I believe the new models are coming out this summer and come in 56" and 61" sizes. There are good price breaks on the Panasonic 50", so if anyone wants one of these great TV's, I'd get out and buy one now. Sam's Club has them at many stores now for under $2400, and you can also negotiate down to under $2300 at Ultimate Electronics, according to some folks. |
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Anonymous | CONSUMERS UNIT! If you purchased an LG RU-52SZ61D 52" DLP television and thought it had the newer HD2+ DLP inside, please contact the Competition Bureau of Canada immediately at: compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca .....you may be eligable for a cash settlement from LG Canada!<br> <br> Please read the following:<br><br> I purchased an LG RU-52SZ61D 52" DLP television via special order from Futureshop on November 6th, 2004 based on the component specifications that were advertised on the Futureshop web site and the LG Canada web site, and after receiving the product it came to my attention that the newer HD2+ DLP technology that was advertised as being in the product was not so, due to what I felt was an inferior picture quality. <br> <br> I challenged both Futureshop and LG Canada on what I suspected was older technology that was used inside of this product and they both "assured" me that this was not the case and that the product did indeed have the new technology inside as advertised. The LG representative, even went so far as to say that the older technology version of the product (there were two releases of the product - one with the old HD2 DLP chip and .155mm screen and one with the newer HD2+ DLP chip and a .098mm fine pitch lenticular screen) was never even brought in to Canada as they waited for the new release before bringing the product into the country. <br> <br> Not really believing either of these company's spokespersons, I had LG Canada send the product's serial number to the manufacturer in Korea. A representative of the manufacturer, emailed me to confirm my suspicions as to the inferior components used in the product, based on the detailed serial number records they keep, indicating all components used in the product's manufacture. He also indicated to me that the "advertised" .098mm fine pitch screen was never incorporated into this particular product either! It was only produced with the lower quality .155mm screen....... another false specification passed on to us consumers by LG Canada!<br> <br> Now, here is where it gets really interesting......After learning this, LG Canada called me to thank me for bringing this matter to their attention and offered me some "LG promotional trinkets" to consider keeping this older technology version of the television. When I refused to accept this offer and pushed them to exchange my TV for one that had the advertised components inside, they flat out refused indicating that this product was not available via LG Canada due to the logistics and expense that would be incurred to bring in one piece from Korea to satisfy only me. <br> <br> The LG rep also indicated to me verbally that LG Canada had never ever received any of these newer version HD2+ DLP technology products in Canada! This means that they have been selling the older HD2 DLP technology stock they have in their warehouse as the newer HD2+ DLP technology through all of their Canadian Dealers, and the dealers have been advertising the product to the consumer as having this newer HD2+ DLP technology! <br> <br> WHAT A MAJOR RIP OFF TO ALL CONSUMERS WHO ALREADY PURCHASED THIS TV!<br> <br> Futureshop has agreed to allow me to return this product for a full refund, however I do feel victimized by this situation having to go through all of this ordeal with these companies for several months now and ending up back where I started - spending countless hours researching the web for product reviews hoping that this time what I purchase will be what it says it is. I am sure that all of the other customers that purchased this product would be very disgruntled and feel victimized as well after learning of this deceit from LG Canada and the dealers from where they purchased it.<br> <br> It should be noted that since sending LG Canada notification of my intent to contact the Competition Bureau of Canada (http://cb-bc.gc.ca/epic/internet/incb-bc.nsf/en/h_ct02141e.html), they have just recently updated their website to indicate the components used inside of the RU-52SZ61D 52" DLP television as being the older DLP technology! You can view this at: http://ca.lge.com/en/prodmodeldetail.do?actType=search&page=1&modelCategoryId=010301&categoryId=010301&parentId=0103&m odelCodeDisplay=RU-52SZ61D&model=Select+a+model<br> <br> I guess LG Canada is now finally admitting the truth about what it is that they are actually selling! Too bad for all of the consumers that already purchased this unit...<br> <br>Please forward this post to as many newsgroups as possible. Only by uniting together as consumers will we be able to make this company accountable for their false advertising! <br> <br> |