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Anonymous | I would like to know if anyone knows when the new P5 cards are planning come into the picture and take over the HU. Is it a good time to buy a P5 is the price going to go up like the Hu did when the H went down? HELP!!! |
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Anonymous | Does anyone know if it's worth purchasing the Avenger SE with the footbal card or will it work with other cards as well? |
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Bronze Member Username: BluezPost Number: 19 Registered: 12-2003 | the price for a p5 through dave is 0 and i dought it will go up you can get a couple of them with a multi room system assuming you are american why buy any where else when people start selling off there hu equipment it is a sign that the new card loaders are starting to trickle out but not a sign of death for the hu hu here was 180 cdn when the h went down and after it was 180 cdn but since november they have gone down to 150 cdn romurs of loaders doing p4/p5 in southern ontario scammers use this info to take advantage but if you study the past you can get a feel for the future and not get taken avenger se has a site or a forum do a search |
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Anonymous | Anyone know where I can find any free or cheap 3m bin files???? |
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Anonymous | Does anyone know how to use the HU cards with a SamSung system that is currently using the new P5 card. When inserting the HU card it is telling me that card isnt compatible. |
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Jbird Unregistered guest | dsscyber.com fairly reliable. good prices for scripts |
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Unregistered guest | al gien me pude desir sitienen targetas nuevas de directv selos agradeseria |
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Anonymous | My HU Card is currently getting a "not a valid card" message. I have heard HU cards are no longer valid. They can not be reprogrammed. Does anyone else know about this? |
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JayG Unregistered guest | Direct Tv has started pulling the HU data out of the data stream. By the end of April, the HU cards will be useless! They are slowly shutting them down channel by channel. Soon only P4 and P5 cards will be able to access Direct TV. |
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New member Username: SweetmiseryPost Number: 3 Registered: Apr-04 | What is the difference between a P4 and P5 card? |
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Unregistered guest | I would like to know which card to buy , and the difference between them "the P4 & P5" ? Also does anyone know if the Mikobu 111-M6.2 will work with the P4 & P5 cards ? |
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tom.t Unregistered guest | I'd also like to know the difference between the P4 and P5. My system is a Hughes Digital and I am confused about which to get |
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Bronze Member Username: GiovanniBronx, Nyc Usa Post Number: 14 Registered: Mar-04 | According to the ATR analyzer in Winexplorer, P4 clock 5 mhz, the same as P3 ATR: 3F 78 13 25 03 40 B0 20 FF FF 4A 50 00 Convention: INVERSE Protocol: T=0 TA1 = 13 TB1 = 25 TC1 = 03 Historical Bytes: 40 B0 20 FF FF 4A 50 00 @ ° y y J P Programming Voltage = 5.0 volts Programming Current = 50ma Maximum Clock Frequency = 5.0MHz for Hu=P3 Historical Bytes: 38 B0 04 FF FF 4A 50 00 00 29 48 55 55 00 00 8 ° y y J P ) H U U Programming Voltage = 5.0 volts Programming Current = 50ma Maximum Clock Frequency = 5.0MHz |
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Bronze Member Username: GiovanniBronx, Nyc Usa Post Number: 15 Registered: Mar-04 | i had a ulpro h unlooper. turned out all i had to do was jump some wires to the amtel. Then flash the unit to the new flash that was out at the time i think it was tritonHU and we where able to load cards. There will be a lot of scammers out there people. Dont buy anything unless you talk to some one before hand. get people to find out more info for you as well. dont go and buy something that claims to do p4. I'm just thinking there has to be a few major players around still keeping low and will pop there heads out of the sand sooner then we think. All it takes is the key to get in and more people will keep the files comming. Maybe some new face will pop up and make some break in the p4 never know but hey i will be waitting for the time it does. also look at this. The hu loader that came out frist was so much dam money that some person bought one and then copied it and made it freeware. after that files where going on the web faster then anything i seen before. |
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Bronze Member Username: GiovanniBronx, Nyc Usa Post Number: 16 Registered: Mar-04 | This is a cut and paste that i got from another site. You be the judge. Here is a little more from my friends (name withheld) I saw the completed P4 loader today. It has been sent out for production. Here are a few tidbits on the new loader. 1. The P4 loader does not have a atmel. It has a PiK instead. 2. There is a knob on the loader that controls the clock cycle speed. 3. The person who demontrated the loader said it runs at 40 times the speed of the hu loader. 4 He said the hu loader cannot be updated to do the P4. It is a complete different design. 5. The loader loads the P4 with a wide open 3m quickly but due to the need to turn the knob to adjust clock cycles it is a bit slower than we are use to. Please do not bombard me with phone calls and emails about this. As I am able to give information I will. This is all I have right now negotiiations are very tight lipped. This unit should come in under 1k The only other info I have at the moment is that your old loaders won't be upgradeable |
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Bronze Member Username: GiovanniBronx, Nyc Usa Post Number: 17 Registered: Mar-04 | First of all I do not understand the choice of a pic over an atmel as it really gives you no advantage. The main thing in the hacking of the P4 card is overcoming the built in glitch prevention engine. To do that you MUST provide glitch's that are beyond it ability to control or in this case protect against. As a point to start from we find that the HU loader and unlooper ran at 4X that of the cards clock so with a 4.6MHz clock we find that 4 X 4.6MHz equals 18.4MHz they used 18.432MHz as it was available and it could be reduced with math to a freq that would provide a usable baud rate so it could communicate with the pc thru a serial connection. So now if we take this same number X4 and apply it to the P4 card we find that 12MHz X 4 equals 48MHz but 48MHz is a royal pain in the #$%&@* to use and still divide diwn to a usable baud rate but if we were to lets say take 18.432MHz and use 3X that freq we would be at 55.296MHz and that is better then 48MHz so it is fast enough plus if you were to lets say take the original UL4S code and port it to the micro I am using and then added a divide by 3 to the divider routine to generate a good baude rate you would be at the same baude rate as you were originally when you used the 18.432MHz but you would actually be running at 55.296MHz. But the next problem is that the original ic's we used in the design of the h unlooper and then the updated unit the HU loader unlooper are too slow to handle the new higher frequency. But I just changed them all to the VHC family of ic's actually my HU loader unlooper I mnf'd and sold actually already used the VHC parts where a HC4053 was being used by everyone else. So I just had to change the 1 osc ic from a 74HCT04 to a 74VHC04 though I could have used a 74F04 IC and just draw more current but I didn't because I had the correct part the 74VHC04. I changed the 2 74HC74's to 74VHC74's and I changed the 2 74HC00's to 74VHC00's. I also changed the LM358 to a way faster and wider bandwidth op amp in fact it is changed to one with a very high slew rate and it is really a comparitor more then an op amp but that is not the point here any. So we now have an updated unlooper loader that is now running at guess what 55.296MHz vs 18.432MHz but what about the micro will an atmel go that high? NO, will a PIC? NO! What then? Well I used a nice part from scenix which can be bought thru parallex. It is a SX20AC/SS. It is only available in a SOIC package so it is soldered on a adapter board that does 2 things, it adapts the smt package to a dip package and it allows for the i/o lines to be moved to match the old atmels pinout. So now this adapter board plugs right into the old atmel micro's 20 pin dip socket and the pins are adjusted so they go to the correct pin location of the older atmel chip. So with that all done the next job was to take the disassembly of the UL4S atmel code and port it for use in my new scenix micro and to change the routines that divided the clock down to generate the needed baud rate for communications with the pc thru the serial port. Then I played with the constants as I was not happy with the min and max of the 6 adjustable operations. So I did a little R&D and came up with a min and max number that was good for me and the asic. I then reassembled it and burned my new micro for some testing actually a hell of alot of testing. Now I too considered the use of a pot to adjust the pulses duty cycle but found that a few small changes in the micro's code and I was able to satisfy my needs though I guess I could still add on a pot to theak in the acyual duty cycle. REMEMBER this is just work in progress but last night I did actually glitch into the P4 card but I could not for the life of me get my code to load. The code is my turoloader code which is just the name for my fancy bootloader code which I borrowed the name turboloader from AOL's code for the H card that made writing to the H card a very fast thing. It is basically using arrays to send the data w/o the need for header info as that is stripped of of the data before it is placed into the array. But anyway I could not get it to take my bootloader code but I will keep on trying because I know it will work one day soon. This is a project that I just took on for a friend who is now in a wheelchair and is soon not going to be able to walk at all so he wants to come up with something he can make a dime on but he would settle for just saving the day like underdog. In fact underdog is his hero & my hero and has been so for a long time. So anyway I just wanted to share an idea with all of you and maybe from this and other posts from other hobbiests some of us might get lucky and strike the motherload. But here is a point I want to make, if the design he is talking about in the 1st post of this thread is really running at greater then 20 times the speed of the original atmel then we are talking 96MHz or 192MHz and that is not possible with any pic micro. In fact I think they go up to a max of 20MHz or maybe a bit more but not anywhere near the speed we need for a good unlooper/loader but agin I may find out that I too am running too fast and have to slow down though I doubt it. So just think about it, a pic running at 20X of that of an atmel? But I could be wrong. Now as for the question about the pic being In circuit programmable yes but it depends on which chip was selected. If it has a F in the part number then it is a flash chip and it is in circuit programmable but if they picket a C version then NO it is not, but the pic's are easy to cut the top off of and rebond the blown fuse and read the code back out. The atmel is a bit harder. Anyway good luck to all. BAGGS |
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Bronze Member Username: GiovanniBronx, Nyc Usa Post Number: 17 Registered: Mar-04 | First of all I do not understand the choice of a pic over an atmel as it really gives you no advantage. The main thing in the hacking of the P4 card is overcoming the built in glitch prevention engine. To do that you MUST provide glitch's that are beyond it ability to control or in this case protect against. As a point to start from we find that the HU loader and unlooper ran at 4X that of the cards clock so with a 4.6MHz clock we find that 4 X 4.6MHz equals 18.4MHz they used 18.432MHz as it was available and it could be reduced with math to a freq that would provide a usable baud rate so it could communicate with the pc thru a serial connection. So now if we take this same number X4 and apply it to the P4 card we find that 12MHz X 4 equals 48MHz but 48MHz is a royal pain in the #$%&@* to use and still divide diwn to a usable baud rate but if we were to lets say take 18.432MHz and use 3X that freq we would be at 55.296MHz and that is better then 48MHz so it is fast enough plus if you were to lets say take the original UL4S code and port it to the micro I am using and then added a divide by 3 to the divider routine to generate a good baude rate you would be at the same baude rate as you were originally when you used the 18.432MHz but you would actually be running at 55.296MHz. But the next problem is that the original ic's we used in the design of the h unlooper and then the updated unit the HU loader unlooper are too slow to handle the new higher frequency. But I just changed them all to the VHC family of ic's actually my HU loader unlooper I mnf'd and sold actually already used the VHC parts where a HC4053 was being used by everyone else. So I just had to change the 1 osc ic from a 74HCT04 to a 74VHC04 though I could have used a 74F04 IC and just draw more current but I didn't because I had the correct part the 74VHC04. I changed the 2 74HC74's to 74VHC74's and I changed the 2 74HC00's to 74VHC00's. I also changed the LM358 to a way faster and wider bandwidth op amp in fact it is changed to one with a very high slew rate and it is really a comparitor more then an op amp but that is not the point here any. So we now have an updated unlooper loader that is now running at guess what 55.296MHz vs 18.432MHz but what about the micro will an atmel go that high? NO, will a PIC? NO! What then? Well I used a nice part from scenix which can be bought thru parallex. It is a SX20AC/SS. It is only available in a SOIC package so it is soldered on a adapter board that does 2 things, it adapts the smt package to a dip package and it allows for the i/o lines to be moved to match the old atmels pinout. So now this adapter board plugs right into the old atmel micro's 20 pin dip socket and the pins are adjusted so they go to the correct pin location of the older atmel chip. So with that all done the next job was to take the disassembly of the UL4S atmel code and port it for use in my new scenix micro and to change the routines that divided the clock down to generate the needed baud rate for communications with the pc thru the serial port. Then I played with the constants as I was not happy with the min and max of the 6 adjustable operations. So I did a little R&D and came up with a min and max number that was good for me and the asic. I then reassembled it and burned my new micro for some testing actually a hell of alot of testing. Now I too considered the use of a pot to adjust the pulses duty cycle but found that a few small changes in the micro's code and I was able to satisfy my needs though I guess I could still add on a pot to theak in the acyual duty cycle. REMEMBER this is just work in progress but last night I did actually glitch into the P4 card but I could not for the life of me get my code to load. The code is my turoloader code which is just the name for my fancy bootloader code which I borrowed the name turboloader from AOL's code for the H card that made writing to the H card a very fast thing. It is basically using arrays to send the data w/o the need for header info as that is stripped of of the data before it is placed into the array. But anyway I could not get it to take my bootloader code but I will keep on trying because I know it will work one day soon. This is a project that I just took on for a friend who is now in a wheelchair and is soon not going to be able to walk at all so he wants to come up with something he can make a dime on but he would settle for just saving the day like underdog. In fact underdog is his hero & my hero and has been so for a long time. So anyway I just wanted to share an idea with all of you and maybe from this and other posts from other hobbiests some of us might get lucky and strike the motherload. But here is a point I want to make, if the design he is talking about in the 1st post of this thread is really running at greater then 20 times the speed of the original atmel then we are talking 96MHz or 192MHz and that is not possible with any pic micro. In fact I think they go up to a max of 20MHz or maybe a bit more but not anywhere near the speed we need for a good unlooper/loader but agin I may find out that I too am running too fast and have to slow down though I doubt it. So just think about it, a pic running at 20X of that of an atmel? But I could be wrong. Now as for the question about the pic being In circuit programmable yes but it depends on which chip was selected. If it has a F in the part number then it is a flash chip and it is in circuit programmable but if they picket a C version then NO it is not, but the pic's are easy to cut the top off of and rebond the blown fuse and read the code back out. The atmel is a bit harder. Anyway good luck to all. BAGGS |
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Bronze Member Username: GiovanniBronx, Nyc Usa Post Number: 18 Registered: Mar-04 | Thanx, I do have a dtv alternative idea......... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those that have a used p4 or p5, Black Shadow is a no745 board that works (reactivates) canceled P4's & P5's From thier ad.... The new Black Shadow No745 Bootstrap Board Technology "The most flexible solution". Very simple to use. Program HU Card like normal using any blacklisted bin and a good working 3M or activation. Insert HU Card into the Black Shadow Bootstrap, and finally insert Black Shadow NO745 Board into receiver and reboot receiver by unplugging for 15 minutes. Product Features Simply the best and most powerful no745 Spoofer board you can buy! Programmable with Proprietary Shadow Software NEW CAMID generated every time you insert it into a receiver Over 68,000+ CAMID combinations on-board Upgradeable flash through any HU loader with UL4S Manual CAMID input - Ability to use F, H, HU, P4 and P5 CAMIDs Compatible - 3M / Activation / Avenger SE / WonderBox / Emulation Ultimate TV enabled, programmable - even if your script isn't Block Tier Wiping enabled, programmable All surface mount technology Atmega 128 micro controller technology - fastest for the fastest stream and larger capacity chip than other boards. P4 and P5 Enabled it allows cancelled P4 and P5 cards to continue to work in your receiver. This is confirmed. You would NOT have a fully open 3m'd card, but you would have TV! I am currently checking with the company to see if they are offering a ppv wiper That wouldn't be so bad! Do a google search on Black Shadow to get the url if interested. thesatshack has em. Please testers, let's ALL stick together on this till we get some answers! Stop bickering! |
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DKNY Unregistered guest | So Giovanni, should HU (P3) cards be used as fire wood starter or can then be used for anything? |
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Unregistered guest | do you think hu cards will be able to hold the information that p4/p5 will kinda like hack it or somthing |
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Anony Unregistered guest | Hu cards will be totally dead by Tuesday or Wednesday. They are garbage now. |
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Anonymous | Any idea when there will be a program for the P4? I have heard rumours that it could be years...miss my dish already. Please HELP! |
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Anonymous | hi newbie here.i would like to thank all of you for the information you have posted..i would like to start testing my system with the p4 card can somone suggest what equipment i will need...remember the simpilar the better....should i wait to buy hardware until there is a fix for p4 sorry for so many questions but i have to learn somewhere.......thanks again jmill |
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Unregistered guest | this is a cut a past....... Barring any unforeseen events, DTV expects to have the HU card datastream turned off completely by April 27. Users should consider getting a basic subscription from DTV in case a fix is not available by that time or making other arrangements for TV viewing in case a fix is not ready by that time. 2. A flash* MAY be available as early as next week which will convert almost ALL existing programmers to enable them to program P4 cards. Some older programmers such as T6 Typhoon, Red Dragon and Kick A-- may not be able to take the new flash. The programmers most likely to be easily upgraded are: Mikobu III, A--Kicker, Aftershok Plus+, Aftershok, Xtreme Sureshot, T911, Detonator XP and Detonator II. * A flash is a small program that will update the Atmel (the 'brain') inside your programmer. The process usually takes 5-15 minutes. 3. A fix MAY be available for P4 cards as early as next week. Provided that the flash (mentioned in 2 above) becomes available before this, all users SHOULD be able to program P4 cards at home just like HU cards. 4. A fix for P5 cards MAY take anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months longer to become available. Although all this information has come from very reliable sources, none of it is confirmed and should be treated as strong rumors only. It is presented here only for those of you who are very anxious to know exactly what is going on at this time. Our recommendation to all customers is still to simply wait and see what really happens. . |
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Anonymous | my loader did the H and HU cards. will it work for the P4 and P5 cards.? |
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Herc Unregistered guest | Don't be fooled by people trying to sell you P5 cards. The whole reason for the P5 is because of a security flaw in the P4 As of now the P5's are useless. Get your P4's now before the prices skyrocket. April 27 is the last day for the current HU cards. |
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RaiderNation Unregistered guest | My channels 2-100 still work. Missin the deng Laker game on TnT though ;( |
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P4 Unregistered guest | anyone knows if there are different kind of P4 cards being offered? and what is differnet? |
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secret Unregistered guest | I just want to watch tv, can anybody help |
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Anonymous | HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM! |
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mondo Unregistered guest | Can someone tell me why the p5 is useless??? and futhermore can someone tell me the difference between the p4 and the p5. and i wanted to purchase the p5 card instead of the p4, is that a wise decision? can someone be informative in there reply thanx |
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Anonymous | BLACKBIRD/SILVER BULLET. Are these FTA boxes really work? Can they be zapped by DAVE or provider. |
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me again Unregistered guest | vendor plans to sell programmed P4 cards. end users who can either buy a new programmed card or send in their own P4 card for exchange. There is no indication yet on a price for new cards or exchanged cards. We are cautiously predicting that one of these solutions will be available by around May 5th. |
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Anonymous | A friend claims to have the hack. they have a real suscribtion and made an exact copy of it now he is sellin the card for $200cnd and the file for $75cnd. he claims to have a programer that works made by himself he is an engineer |
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Anonymous | anonymous......email me if the card and program work i would like to get in touch with you or your engineer im interested in purchasing.... jmill1948@aol.com how much is that in usa |
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lovehockey Unregistered guest | Can I get just the P5 card? If yes, then who sells it alone? |
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New member Username: Stopmenot2002Unknown, Texas US Post Number: 5 Registered: Apr-04 | P4/P5 Crackz http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11726&item=3094337525&rd= 1 |
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Unregistered guest | I have a question that might get an answer here.I have a set of Hughes receivers with p4b cards that are subscribed. I took one of the units south below California to a place we stay and could only get a couple of Directv add channels..No thing else. A freind told me he had the same problem with a newer reciever and brought an older unit down and it worked fine.. Tried a friends reciever on my dish set up and it worked fine... Is it the reciever unit with a filter? marty |
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Anonymous | Marty, I don't know what's going on here but there is a lot going on that is not being blown out. My brother-in-laws told me that his buddy is selling p4 cards with bins that are still working for $175. He told me that he himself lost all his channels on Wednesday, however, he still has all the sounds from EVERY channel including PPV. How can this work? According to B-I-L, his buddy has about 50 regular customers that still have access to Direct TV. I gave him my p4 card and told him to have his buddy program it and see what I get. |
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Anonymous | Hey anonymous please keep us updated on that P4 card |
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jobob Unregistered guest | did you get your P4 card back yet and if so was it a success??? |
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kong Unregistered guest | the only card selling in london canada is the p5 my dealer wont seel the p4 hes losing money ifthe p5 cant be programed hes telling everyone at his shop hes programing our cads on the 30th |
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kong Unregistered guest | can anyone tell me if this is bull or what? |
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ballerf Unregistered guest | i have p5 for sale 125 cdn. |
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justcurious Unregistered guest | ballerf if u r for real y r u unregistered? |
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New member Username: AdekunleEjigbo, Osun Nigeria Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-04 | credit card |