Archive through October 17, 2005
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TampaAl Unregistered guest | jayb, assuming the person is who they say they are... |
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Anonymous | TampaAl is right, this person is maybe working for Klipsch, Yamaha, Paradigm, Energy or other junk... His paycheck is so low that he can only dream of a Bose |
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Scott the former a/v sales guy Unregistered guest | I sold speakers including Bose for eight years. I never liked them, but people asked for them by name, as they were familiar with the company. They wanted to see the tiny speakers that sounded like big ones. (Not because they sounded good or were accurate at all.) They are what we called "Boom and sizzle" speakers. Lots of bass, and lots of treble. Rather pathetic, but to the untrained ear they impress. Forget real imaging, depth, or even reasonably flat response. Bose was one of the earlier companies to have a sat/sub system on the market, and they capitalized on that market big time. Most companies have similar (and much better sounding) Sat/Sub systems for less money, but they don't have the same marketing capacity as does Bose. Bose's claim that they are "unrated" in terms of power handling stems from having light bulbs inside the bass cabinet that burn off excess power when needed, not because they are built tough. They don't like using dome tweeters, because 1" domes aren't cheap. Instead they use 2" cones. These are very cheap, and can go deeper in frequency than a 1", also making it easier on the cheaper bass driver. Imaging is "created" by depending on reflections within the room. Bose is an incredibly good marketing company. Their products sell well, especially when they can send something directly to your home, verses letting you get a fair comparison at a HiFi shop. Get out there, bring your own music that you are very familiar with. Something demanding from a sound system. Don't settle for an amazing but unfamiliar demo disc that the salesperson has. They will always pick something that works for the speakers you are listening to. Choose a less expensive system from a quality brand verses the Bose. Switch back and forth between two systems, not knowing which is which. Decide which sounds better to you, then let them tell you which one you prefer. I bet it won't be the Bose system. |
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Bronze Member Username: Joe_cOakwood, Ga Post Number: 14 Registered: Mar-05 | no highs no lows must be bose |
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Soldbyed Unregistered guest | Well damn! I was all set to buy a Bose system but after reading all this, I think I need to step back and do some research. I am pretty green when it comes to speakers. I would like to spend between 500 to $1000 on a home theater system. I will look at the paradigm site after this but do they have a package I can run with? I don't have the time to get a Phd in order to buy a system. Are there any other brands out there that have a good home theater package? |
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kane gridddin Unregistered guest | has anybody heard the Bose 802 series 3 loudspeakers? what do you think? I am currently using two a side with a pair of 15 inch subs. they are large loud clear and damn bassy on thier own {they are pa speakers not home theatre} but add in a good crossover that has been set correctly, and the 2 fifteen inch subs and it sounds fantastic! this is again a pa system, bose may not be any good in home theatre, but on stage they have a aggressive but smooth sound. I have also used a JBL speaker system, consisting of a 2-12" and horn and a single 18" sub per side.. it sounded harsh and while it was a simpler system to set up, it was not the better system of the two. sorry guys, but my fave is HK audio which actually are in Germany, unlike bose and JBL which are in USA |
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New member Username: Scott_tvPost Number: 1 Registered: Mar-05 | Well, I have the AM-10 and am pretty happy with it. I am looking to add more speakers though, as my receiver still has unused connections (Sony STR DE995) but am not sure what else to add. |
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normalicy Unregistered guest | I worked at Best Buy for... well let's just say a long time. I was a product specialist in the audio department (which by the way, most of the "product specialists" were just highschool kids that didn't know squat). So anyhow, I got to know & be intimate with every single series of Bose speaker & frankly, no matter how much of a chance I gave them, I always ended up gravitating to the other brands (even the KLHs were starting to sound good in comparison, though in that case I'd probably go for Bose). I must say that the actual enclosure design by Bose is very good to great. I'm amazed what they can get out of such crappy speakers. But, that is also their weakness. Even the best component is limited by the poorest component, which is the speakers that bose uses (or doesn't bother to, ex. tweeters). Which reminded me of the phrase that was popular among the employees that I had almost forgotten until this post, "No highs no lows must be bose."As far as my choice from Best Buy goes, I was always impressed with how the JBLs sounded over & over. True, they're not small & cute. But darn they sound good & for half the price. If you can budget it though, I must say that Klipsch are quite a bargain as well as Fluance which I'm suprised no one has mentioned. So, there's my 2 cents. |
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Rohan Unregistered guest | Hi, just wanted to know if the bangs & olufsen speakers are better than any of the spekers mentioned above, also how much would a beosound 9000 cost? |
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Unregistered guest | I am getting AM 10 Bose for US$ 800 at Bahrain. Should I buy it ? |
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Jayb Unregistered guest | Apparently you didn't read this thread Neiljit. Where in all of these posts bashing Bose, did it occur to you that Bose is worth buying? And besides for $800US there A LOT of other, Better stuff out there. Try POLK, Klipsch, KEF, Paradigm, Energy, Infinity, B&W, any of these brands are better than BOSE at a price that doesn't give you a Coronary! IMO |
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Growler Unregistered guest | I have had the AM15 for a while now, and they seem to be pretty good. They fit in well with the decor, which I must admit is a big factor. Also, WWF (wife wow factor) was high with them too, so worked out well. Had I known I could have gotten similar look but better sound for cheaper, I would have shopped around. however, I will keep them know for a while and upgrade it gradually. Anyone with a Bose have any idea why the fuse would keep blowing on the sub? |
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AGB Unregistered guest | Hi, I wanted to inquire on DENON receivers to anyone in the forum. Specifically the DENON3805. Any goods or bads that anybody can share. on this item or this brand? Thanks...peace... |
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New member Username: Smiley777Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-05 | hi everyone i just found out about this forum. i currently bought a bose 15 system. I hooked it up with Onkyo tx nr 901. some how it doesnt sound too good. I spent more money for them thinking they will be good. but now i am disappointed. what should i do? please help....by the way at first i hooked the bose with the yamaha rxv 2500, it sounded ok, but my gf loved the onkyo so i have to returned it for the onkyo...now it doesnt sound as good as the yamaha..is it the speakers or the amp? |
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Jayb Unregistered guest | It's totally the speakers! Both of those amps are way too good to paired up with BLOSE. Take back the BLOSE and get some PARADIGMS or anything but BLOSE.You'll thank me later! |
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Anonymous | Everyone's saying don't get BOSE because it's over priced. Well you know what? I still settled for a Bose Acoustimass 10 system because I bought it on ebay for under $400 bucks. I wasn't going to spend $850 for a mirage nanosat. Tell me what system sounds better than bose for $400? If know a system that totally blows away bose for this amount of money...then let me know. You all are comparing a little sound system made to play in a small to med room...and not to compete with other prof brands like B&W, Polk, etc etc. Ya'll are out of your league. Mann...these forums and review are just too biased! |
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New member Username: KstaileyAtlanta, Georgia Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-05 | Just The Facts M'aam. NO HI'S NO LOWS, MUST BE BOSE. They didn't get this name for nothing..I too have an ONKYO TX8511..It's in my Band Room (I Play Drums)..This Receiver is built the right way and you will do it and yourself justice looking elsewhere for speakers..I personally am a fan of Cerwin Vega..You can pay a lot more but their speakers rock..and this combo is very LOUD AND CLEAR and YES I am PICKY. |
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Mr. V Unregistered guest | Look for used gear. Within your budget, and quality to exceed your expectations. |
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New member Username: Smiley777Post Number: 4 Registered: Apr-05 | i returned the Bose Acoustimass 15 Series II, and got the Polk audio rm 20 with rt8. You guys are right. They sound so much better. I always thought that Bose were one the best speakers out there, guess i didnt know. so thanks a lot. By the way i spent $ 1,800 for the whole thing, was that too much? |
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Nicolaskl Unregistered guest | If they're not meant to compete with B&W then why do they cost so much? I got my 5 B&Ws for only a couple hundred bucks more than the Acoustimass-15 costs, and if I'd gone with smaller B&W 600 series I probably could have gotten them for the same or less than an AM-15. Sure, thats without a sub, but the AM-15 doesn't really have a sub either, just mids masquerading as a sub. A better setup for 2 grand? It'd be extremely difficult to spend two grand and NOT get a better system. In fact it might actually be impossible. For 2 grand you could get what I got (or other similar alternatives), 2 B&W 602 S3s, 2 B&W 601 S3s, a B&W LCR60, and a Marantz SR5400. If you don't think that'll kick an AM-15 in the ding dong then you need to back away from the crackpipe. Then a little ways down the road you save up some dough and buy a sub, not that you need one to beat an AM-15, the AM-15 not only doesn't come with a sub, it doesn't come with tweeters either. Everyone that isn't A) deaf, B) ignorant, or C) employed by Bose, will readily admit that Bose is junk. Sound quality is their last consideration when designing a system. |
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bbbb Unregistered guest | I am thinking of buying the bose lifestyle 48. But after reading everyone's email .I am going to compare. Does anyone know of speakers which are compact like bose. the only other one I seen was the mirage. |
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simmons3333 Unregistered guest | After reading all of these posts, I think I'll just stick with my AR and Polk set up...Never liked BOSE from the get go and never will. They just out and out sound terrible, don't waste the time and money on them. I won a set of 501's once and gave them away...just not interested. |
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bassetiloti Unregistered guest | anybody knows the bose outlet web or adress in florida? Thanks and regards |
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Anonymous | i have auditioned all the speakers you guys have discussed in this forum. but there's only one name that quench my soul... daichi.  sounds great on avegon receivers. |
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boredofbose Unregistered guest | I've got an acoustimass 10 system plus a Jamo A 3SUB.3 for surround, and Bose 301's for stereo. Through a Pioneer VSX808. As for the acoustimass system i have to say i am very impressed of the clear sound, the high tones are unbelievable. And Jamo is Jamo. The Pioneer receiver is probably not so good, but considering my budget i'm not up to getting a new one (though i'd very much like a denon or yamaha). But for the 301's, i can't say that i'm impressed. I've had them for maybe 3 years and i've never felt totally satisfied with the sound. Sure, the size and looks are good, but the sound just lacks definition. Take any classical piece, anything like norah jones etc, its good. But put in tool, m manson, a perfect circle, whatever, it just doesnt sound good. The bass clashes with the highs, and never reaches down to where i would expect it to. It just doesnt sound right. Pros: it is compact, nice finish and performs well with lighter types of music. Cons: it's too expensive, the bass just ain't right, and doesnt work well with "heavier" music. I will not buy Bose again. The acoustimass does its job admirably, but i'm sure its possible to find just as good quality surround systems for a much better price. When i have the money, i'll scrap the 301's and get myself some proper B&W and a better receiver. |
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TommySD Unregistered guest | I have a new Bose Acoustimass 16 6.1 speaker system on a 6.1 600 Watt Yamaha Receiver and I am very happy with the system. I also purchased the new Bose Wave Music System for my bedroom. That little radio is overpriced for what it is, but it is a nifty little system for the bedroom and sounds really good for it's size. Much improved over the first generation Wave's. Just the little touches like auto dimming display, slot load CD/MP3 player, a display for artist and song, etc. makes it real nice in the bedroom. For my music collection I keep everything organized on iTunes and then use Apple's AirPort Express to send the playlists I design to either my living room system or my bedroom. I can use the remote in the bedroom to run the computer in the other room. I have an iMac G5 for my music management system. I was worried some quality would be lost going wireless, but it is all digital transmission and most people would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a hard wired system and the digital Airport Express. Ok, anyhow enough about what I am running and back to the Acoustimass. I am not going to go on and on that they are the best speakers in the world, because I know they are not. But they are good for what they are... small and attractive. They don't distort and sound great with DVD's, not quite a good with music. The Acoustimass module has 3 downward firing drivers and it is powered. It does fine for my small house. The Bose solution is easy for someone like me, all the wire is included and it is a good quality cable, more like electric cord, then cheap speaker wire in many HTIB kits. Where things start getting stupid is when a lot of people bash Bose just for the sake of bashing them. When they say things like I had an old 1970's clock radio that sounded better, or I have a set of Gateway branded computer speakers I got for $19.99 that sound better. That is just being dumb. The last thing that people always mention is that Bose does not publish specs. Maybe all of you can tell the difference by all those numbers, but to me, I just listen. I have heard speakers that sound better then my Bose, but they were much larger and I have a very small house. Last, a buying decision should be made by how the person feels themselves. I went out and listened to different ones and I liked the Bose sound. Some might call me dumb, but that is what I liked. Still the little jewel is my Bose Wave, that is a neat little thing. No it will never replace a big system. When Bose says that I laugh! But for what it is...you really need to experience the new one they just came out with for a small room. When friends come over I will show them and they are just in awe because that little thing puts out some serious bass and will get loud as hell. |
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jayb Unregistered guest | As a former employee of BOSE I'm gonna give you some info on your AM-16. Landed cost on it is appox $850cnd and is sold to dealers for $1250 and you buy it for $2100. This kind of mark up should be illegal considering it only costs about 150 to make the product! Just thought you should know how badly you got ripped off. NO HIGHS NO LOWS MUST BE BOSE! |
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TommySD Unregistered guest | I bought my AM16 for $1199 on sale through AAFES. (military exchange) $2100??? You must be smoking something. Bose doesn't even sell them for that price on their own website, nor can I find any dealer that has it for $2100. Tell me where you are seeing AM16's for $2100??? It is these kinds of statements that make Bose bashers sound dumb. |
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jayb Unregistered guest | Perhaps you didn't notice I said Canadian dollars! Convert those numbers to American! |
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TommySD Unregistered guest | I just did the conversion with today's exchange rate. I bought my system for $1,199 US dollars and $1,498.99 Canadian Dollars. Your still off a few hundred dollars. Many people say Bose is just for profit, nothing else. Well there are other reasons they have to charge a higher price. If you look at many decent speaker systems they are not hundreds less then Bose. Plus many require buying your own speaker wire and connectors. Have you ever priced that stuff? You can go though $200 in a hurry if you buy a decent gauge speaker wire. Everyone says that $150 Walmart system sounds better then Bose. Not even close! People that make those arguments are just being dumb. Have you ever considered the cost of building the Bose systems? You say they cost $150 to make. I would say labor alone would cost that amount. I just bought a Bose Wave Music System and I turned it over...I could not believe what it said under it. Made in the USA. My Acoustimass Module is made in Mexico, but all the cubes have USA on them. Bose could charge less if they did like what most companies do and move all production to China. I don't know I would rather buy things made in the USA or even Mexico over Communist China. Last, Bose is a private company. That is right, they are not publicly traded. There is no one to step in and bail them out, they can't just sell and re-sell shares to stay afloat. Dr. Bose likes this better because he has control over the company. It is not a bad idea. If they became a public company they would do what everyone else does, start pouring out new cheap products by throwing auto-cad designs over the wall to production in turn would send the info to China and start turning the product out for a few cents labor cost. |
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New member Username: DogehemiPost Number: 1 Registered: Mar-05 | I have a Denon AVR 5600 reciever and a 50" plasma what speakers would go best with my reciever? I dont know much if anything but I know it when i hear it. I have about $1200 to spend "WF"-(wife factor major problem) Help!!! thanks |
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Unregistered guest | Hi Guys, I just bought an Infinity Primus HCS Home Cinema System with PS-8 Sub for USD 500/- at Bahrain. Got it hooked with my Pioneer VSX D-512 receiver and the latest Pioneer DV 270 DVD player. Used Optical Fibre to connect DVD to receiver. It just sounds groovy. Wish i could get the PS-10 for the sub. I heard Bose AM 10 as well as AM 15 at the local dealer's showroom. With all due regards to Dr. Bose who is a Bengali from India as I am, his paper cone speakers in the twin cube systems are really not worth the money. The single cube AM 6 which cost more than my Infinity Primus is plain trash. Within six months the price of AM 10 has been slashed from USD 1080 to USD 725 now at Bahrain. People get carried away by the niche value of BOSE because not everybody can afford one. Even the dealers accept that the true audiophiles do not recommend Bose. Its only the brand conscious yuppy consumers who prefer Bose for the sake of the name. At that price one can get a floor standing big speaker system by B&W, JBL, Kliptch or Infinity and the sound is far far superior than the AM 10 or 15. If I wish to spend USD 1000/- on speakers, then I would rather have the big systems rather than the mini cube ones that stand no where near the real ones. |
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Bronze Member Username: Thx_3417Bournemouth, Dorset United Kingdom Post Number: 31 Registered: May-05 | It's like what "John Allen" says "if you can pick it up its too small" Personally I agree with him, I won't touch Bose with a 10 foot barge poll. JBL sound of the west coast of the USA, arr that's nice... I won't to feel the power from the centre channel I wont to feel "Alec Guinness" ADR track from "Star Wars episode 4 a new hope" at 100Hz, at 85dbc not a wimpy sound coming from those Bose cubes 100Hz at 50dbc, sorry but if you want to kid yourself be my guest. |
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Unregistered guest | Two Words: Aperion Audio |
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Greginator Unregistered guest | I am planning on setting up my home theatre in the next few weeks and have decided on a Tosh 62HM84.....and then I went to look at sound. The Future Shop (or Best Buy) guy said the AM10's were the best and that he had them himself. I believed that he believed it, and also asked him about the speaker wires. He assured me that the wires that came with the package were "just fine". I will be setting up in a 12x22ft room w/door, and, given what I have read about Bose here, would really appreciate two things. 1. A top three list of speakers (other than Bose) to check out (I have budgeted about $1000-1500CAD for this 2. To know whether or not the speaker wire that comes with these setups is sufficient. My buddy built his own cable out of cat5 cable from Home Depot.....but he has more time on his hands than I do. ps. I know the wire thing is somewhat off-topic, but this is my first visit to this site and my kid needs a diaper change.........now Cheers! |
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capww8 Unregistered guest | Greginator: 1: Check out Paradigm, Energy, and PSB 2: speaker wire (and all the interconnects) in box is shite... don't use that, and don't use anything from monster. Find tributaries, or straight wire. Reasonably priced, and far superior. |
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Unregistered guest | i don`t care what people say about bose,i tried them for about 26 years, i am very happy with all of them 101 301 am5 901 802`s 502`s wave radio acoustic wave,pm1,1401,1800,i am happy with all of them they sound perfect,even some of them i used them in a very harsh conditions for at least 12 years and still they sound perfect,i callenge anyone not for loud ear braking sound but for true loud satisfying pure sound of bose,thankyou dr bose let me hear the true sound. |
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Anonymous | Can some suggest an alternative to Bose Wave Music system. I am almost about to buy this system. I am looking for something simple and compact to listen to CD, MP3 and Radio with good quality |
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imok Unregistered guest | about that thing comparible to the wave system, try polk's new product. it does all the stuff a bose system can do and more. just google polk audio and go to their website. it looks pretty cool and does stuff like XM radio and more. |
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Unregistered guest | I really don't know why some people tend to condemn bose? It's really not a bad product! The price may be rather discouraging, but BOSE has some wonderful products. First of all, I'm not a "DIE for BOSE" guy, but I will say a word to defend BOSE coz their products are good and a few jokers critisize BOSE in a very unfare way. I own products by Celestion, KEF, AR, B&W and they're all awesom. But there's a difference between them and the BOSE AM series. The main factor being size, I'd say the AM series's performance is awesome when u consider it's size! Especially the AM10 upwards sounds awesome! But I should say the placement of the Bass module is a critical factor to get the best Lows (Hint : Place it in a corner of the room with the port facing the wall), plug it in to an amp that puts out abt 200W per channel continuous and it'll kick @ss I'm personally running an AM10 series II plugged into a 135w continuouse x 6 Yamaha AMP for my DVDs and I'm really satisfied with the investment considering how much space I have saved with the Bose system and how good it sounds Not to mention the neat looks of the cubes :D Most ppl that critises the Bose AM series are owners of Huge speakers (in size like 10 - 12 inch woofers and larger baffles). The BOSE AM series runs on 1 to 3 6inch woofers in a 4th order bandpass enclosure and 2-6 2 1/2" inch long throw drivers in Either Double or Single Cube arrays, that does the job of the Mids and High frequency trweeters! In another review, someone had asked if Bose was so cutting edge, why isn't eveyone else is trying to impliment BOSE's technology? It's coz BOSE's technology is PATENTED! And BOSE doesn't just give it out for free. Others will have to PAY heaps to use that technology. If not BOSE will SUE them! eg: BOSE sued Harmon's JBL for using BOSE's technology and won the case ( read about it here http://www.fr.com/practice/update9.cfm) I also agree with TommySD in this review. The newer AM10,15 and 16 series does sound better with their new waveguide technology I had a demo from the dealers for these products, and they used the same cheap sony amplifier which pumped abt 100W x 6 to power these speakers. of course, the AM series is not 100% perfect. Which product is? Any system has it's advantages and disadvantages. it also depends on the listeners preferances. Some preffer loud chunky sounds, some preffer warmer softer sounds. The BOSE AM's may not be the best solution for you. Especially if u have enough room to shove in 5 - 6 large baffles, and u are also willing to do so. It's okay if a whole 3-4way baffle sounds better than a Tiny cube, dont you think? I think it should sound better and the speakers must be really crappy otherwise. So it's unfare to critisize the cube and seperate sub for that reason, coz it doesn't sound bad for it's size ;) And one may be comparing six 100W baffles which will produce more power than the 200-300W BOSE Sub which may be more expensive than the Six baffles. It's like owning a Ferari. Not everyone can afford it. Even if they could, they wouldn't. U gotta pay the price to own one, and there may be other car manufacturers producing supercars for a lesser price. But ppl will still buy a Ferari coz it's a Ferari, and it's an awesom car! I'd say, if u are worried abt the price, don't look at cars like Ferari's (Speakers like BOSE), look at a Toyota or a Nissan, spend some money on performance upgrades(Add more Subs, etc), and bingo! U may have a car that'd even kick Ferari @ss for 1/6th the price |
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Bronze Member Username: Divin11112000Michigan Post Number: 37 Registered: Dec-04 | I personally do not like the bose sound. As a company I think that bose awesome, they are making lots of $ to people who strictly buy bose because of the name without even hearing it for themselves. Now some of you may have gone out to hear them and like the sound, while others blindly purchased. If you are considering buying bose, that is your choice. I personally wouldn't ever go out and buy a car without taking it for a test drive first. I own Klipsch, heard them a dozen times, took them home and liked them in my own home, but I had the option to RETURN them for full value if i didn't like the way that they sounded with my equipment. The statement by ScreenX is slightly skewed. To put it in a little more realistic perspective who would pay Ferrai's price to drive a Toyota? Bose simply is not worth the price they are asking for these systems. My uncle is VERY happy with his bose system, he got it for free from a friend of his and therefore didn't spend any $ on it. I don't care what it is, you can't beat free. Does his room get LOUD when he turns it up... Yeah, although it's not a clear sound. For movies he had to go out and get a velodyne sub to make up the lack of bass. There was talk of the bass module acting like a woofer because of it's size... which is true, unfortunately with the frequencies that this "bass module" plays you can locate it's presence. The idea behind a sub is you feel the bass but can't really locate it.. If you have dialogue comming out of a bass module positioned to the right of the TV when the person talking is on the left, doesn't seem too much like surround sound to me. Bose is over priced for what it is. I would probably own bose for a garage or bedroom, but the fact is that I can buy speakers of the same quality sound or better for LESS money. Bottom line is its your ears buy what you think sounds good. IF your on the fence on what to buy give these brands a listen to, they are the same or less $ than bose. http://www.intellexual.net/speaker5.html |
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ScreenX Unregistered guest | "The statement by ScreenX is slightly skewed. To put it in a little more realistic perspective who would pay Ferrai's price to drive a Toyota? Bose simply is not worth the price they are asking for these systems" No chris, that's not what I meant. I meant, if u bought a Toyota and gave it some performance upgrades (Turbo, spark plugs, competition clutch, etc, etc), U can get Ferari's performance for 1/5th the price ;) Peace & Cheers to all |
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ScreenX Unregistered guest | I also meant the same thing that you are saying Chris. If there's a problem with BOSE products, the first thing is the price. By the Ferari Toyota example I meant, if u had a much cheaper Pioneer System and added an additional Sub and other speakers, it'll sound a 100 times better than BOSE ;) |
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HomeTheaterMan Unregistered guest | I have a home theater system that uses Bose speakers. I have a KRELL system controller that includes Dolby Digital 5.1. Speakers include 10 of the 802 III's, 5 of the 502B's , and 4 AWCS-II (The Cannon). Each of the 5 channels has 2 of the 802 III's, and 1 502B subwoofer. The dual Cannons handle the .1 channel. Amps include 6 of the Crown Macro Tec 5000VZ2's. Projector is the SONY Qualia 004. I LOVE my Bose speakers!!! I have the Bose Lifestyle 48 in my bedroom, with the Sony Qualia 006 70 inch rear projection unit. Again, I wouldn't trade my Bose speakers for anything in the world, at any price. |
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Unregistered guest | Latest findings guys. I just hooked up my AM10 IIs to a more powerful amp than the one I have now. I'm currently running on a 135 Watt's x 6 (continuous) Yamaha RX-v3300 Amp with my BOSE AM10 II's. My friend bought an Onkyo TX-DS989 THX Ultra2, which pumps 200W x 7 :D He didn't know which speakers he wanted to buy so since I had a nice system running for my DVDs, he brought his amp to my place and plugged it in. The sound was AWESOME!!! He was impressed bigtime and he went to the bose store the next morning and baught the newer AM10 III's. Even I was impressed and couldn't believe that my AM10's sound so good First I thought, YAMAHA Amps are crap (After listening to the sounds of the Onkyo amp making luv to my BOSE AM10's, heehee). Then I got another Pioneer amp that pumped 190W x 6 and that sounded awesom too . I still thought Yamaha amps were crap but decided to test with another Yamaha which pumped 200W x 2. This sounded Awesome as well :D When I say Awesome, I mean AWESOME!!! Windows and doors rattling, ornaments on the cabinet which was a good 20feet away, dancing arround and speks of dust droping from the ceiling :D Bottom line guys, give BOSE the full power it claims that it can handle to get it's true performance If you still don't like it, then ditch it :D Here's another interesting fact. I have a friend who owns the identicle setup to mine. Bose AM10 II's with Yamaha RX-V3300. He was cursing the BOSE system and complaining that it lacked good lows and thought that there was something wrong with his speakers coz mine sounded greate. I played arround with his Amp and found out that his Subwoofer option was set to "On". It seems right to you yeah? Well, it really isn't right. The AM10 II's and the ones before that worked differently than Active Subwoofers. The Bose Sub is a passive Sub. Meaning, it doesn't have a line level input/Powered LFE. So what happens is, if u have enabled the Subwoofer option of your reciever, it will send the LFE signals to the Subwoofer out of the Amp, which is not connected to the BOSE sub in anyway. The Bose system is only connected via main and surround speakers. Most of the new recievers have the option to mix LFE, either directly to the Line level (Sub out), or Main Speakers or both. Recomendation : Option 1 If you are using a seperate Active Sub and want to hear the bass (100 - 150Hz and below) from that unit only, enable the Subwoofer option in your Amp. Option 2 If u don't have a seperate Sub and if u are running on a Bose surround speaker system without the Powered LFE option, make sure the Sub option on your reciever is DISABLED. Then the LFE will be mixed into the main speakers or the Passive BOSE Sub Option 3 Well, if you like the Lows coming out of the bose system and would like to enhance the lows, then you can do this by adding an active Sub (Powered Sub) and connecting it to the LFE out of your reciever. But make sure that the low frequencies are mixed to both the LFE and the Mains. Almost every new Doby Digital/DTS Amps/Recievers support this function. Here's another thing I noticed after playing arround with my amp and reciever. BOSE recomends (for it's older AM series with non powered subs) to set all speakers to LARGE (Left, Right, Center, Rear L, Rear R, Rear C). I noticed that when the surround and center speakers are set to MEDEUM size, and only the main Left and Right speakers are set to LARGE and the LFE is mixed directly into the main speakers, the bass responce is much better It's coz the main speakers have a better responce for BASS and by setting the surround and center speakers to Medium, you redirect the lows of the surrounds to the mains Enjoy your sounds :D Cheers to all :D |
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HomeTheaterMan Unregistered guest | Just replaced my 6 Crown 5002VZ's (each one is served by a dedicated 30 amp 120 volt service) with 6 of the new Crown I-T8000 amps, rated at 8,000 watts each (mono bridge @ 8 ohms). 48,000 watts total! Looks like I now have adequate power for my Bose speakers to do the job, as I blew out the 5 foot by 12 foot picture window at the rear of my media room, right when my awesome 4 Bose AWCS-II 12 foot long Cannons blew their wadds on "Also sprach Zarathustra (Strauss)" Telarc DDD CD. Now, that's rockin'!! |
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Unregistered guest | Heeheee :D Hey, HomeTheatreMan, can u send me the specs of the AWCS-II Acoustic Wave CannonfX u're using? How much does a pair cost? 48000Watts?! That's some serious stuff for a house mate:D I hope u'r house is earth quake proof :D Cheers to you man! |
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sdifox Unregistered guest | ScreenX, it does not matter how many watts you make available to the 2" drivers, it will never use it up. Max draw of a 2" driver before it burns out maybe at most 30 watts. Power needs are greatest when you are talking about lower freqencies. Subwoofer range, and I am sorry, 5.25 inch is not a subwoofer. Not even if you have 10 of them. There is no defying physics. |
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Unregistered guest | "sdifox" I'm not sure if I asked abt how much power the 2" drivers get. It get's the power after it's been summed from the energy suming circuitry which is in the BOSE Bass module. U'r NOT supposed to connect it directly to the amplifier and yes, it may blow @ 30Watts. If u give the AM Bass module more power than it can handle, it shut's itself down and resets for later use (May be in 5 to 10 mins) Speaking with experience when I plugged in a 350W x 4 integrated amp to my AM10. It worked fine on almost full blast for abt 20 seconds and shut itself down ;)I thought I blew it, but damn... I didn't As for the 5.25" drives not being Subs, I agree. A woofer is considered a propper subwoofer (the drive alone) only at 10" and higher. Coz that's the size of the woofer which can produce frequencies of arround 30Hz without even putting it in a good enclosure. I appologize if I said the 5.25" was a sub. But u gotta admit, it sure sounds like a sub when its in their patented 6th order bandpass enclosure I think the secret is in their design. It concentrates on moving air more than putting the actual sounds out directly from the 2 or 3 5.25" drivers. I think if u can design the same enclosure u'rself and make it large enough to shove in two 10" or 12" Subs, u'd crack a few of u'r neighbors walls as well, coz the 5.25" drivers does vibrate my wooden ceiling and rattles almost every window pane in my house when I give it enough power :D I am thinking of copy-cating BOSE's box to shove in two 10" drivers (Please don't sue me:D ) I'll let u know of the outcome :D |
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New member Username: TdawgTorontoCanada Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-05 | I'm not one for "lifestyle speakers" but those Bose are pretty garbage. If I had to go with small speakers, I recently heard the new Paradigm Cinema 110's, which are getting good reviews. I thought they sounded surprisingly good for plasma-friendly speakers. I've also heard Infinity Modulus systems and they aren't bad. |
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Anonymous | I am interested in getting a home theater amplifier/decoder that uses the Dolby Virtual Speaker technology which appears to be similar to the Bose 3-2-1 system with two speakers and a subwoofer. I asked Dolby Corp. via E-mail but they must have all died because I got no response. Anyone have any manufactorer's names? |
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New member Username: TdawgTorontoCanada Post Number: 5 Registered: Jul-05 | This KEF system http://reviews.cnet.com/KEF_KIT100_Instant_Theatre/4505-6740_7-30826596.html?tag =pdtl-list is supposed to be pretty good and I'm thinking of buying one for my Dad (anything more would be too complicated and he won't want the surround speakers). I've heard some okay things about the Niro systems too, if you're needs are virtual surround. The Bose 3-2-1 is supposed to be garbage, which you can read throughout these forums about Bose in general. That system in particular has not got very good reviews. That said, you can't beat a true home theatre with quality components. I read a review in either this month's Home Theatre or Sound and Vision about a cheap Sherwood virtual speaker system that they said was okay. |
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New member Username: GuestPost Number: 1 Registered: Jul-05 | Was looking at the Bose Lifestyle system. Can someone please recommend an alternate system. I was looking to place one system in my TV room and the other set of speakers outside on my patio. The Lifestyle system lets me hook up to nine sets of speakers. |
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New member Username: TdawgTorontoCanada Post Number: 7 Registered: Jul-05 | For the money of a Bose Lifestyle system, you can get a decent reciever with a Zone 2 capability, and buy separate speakers. I would do that in a second before buying Bose. There are all kinds of options for both speakers and receivers that will suit your needs. I can list some but they are numerous. |
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New member Username: GuestPost Number: 2 Registered: Jul-05 | Can you please provide a list of suggetions. |
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New member Username: TdawgTorontoCanada Post Number: 8 Registered: Jul-05 | In terms of receivers, check out this page in CNET: http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-6466_7-0.html?tag=ont.av Type "Zone 2" into the search box and you should get a range of different receivers. I'm not sure exactly what your price range is. I just sold a Denon that I was very happy with and I'm probably getting another (3805) or a Harman Kardon, which my friend has, and has been quite good. Look for some within your price range that have the features you are looking for and go to a store and check them out. More important to the receiver is the speakers. I'm guessing you are looking for some "lifestyle" speakers. I mentioned earlier in this post that I had a chance to hear the Paradigm Cinema 110's and liked them. At the end of the day, it's totally subjective. Try to find something that sounds good to you, but keep in mind that that the acoustics in your house will likely have them sounding different. Try to look beyond the Best Buys and Circuit Citys, and try some local stores that wheel and deal and can give you some real expert advice. I seldom find anyone in the bigbox stores that know what they are talking about, but the average consumer knows less than them. A friend has bookshelf Axioms www.axiomaudio.com which some people swear by, and some think are crap. I think they sound okay for what you pay, but I don't claim to be an expert audiophile. The good thing about them is you can audition them at home and send them back if you don't like them. There are other factory-direct speaker manufacturers out there that get decent reviews, but I've never actually heard them, like Amperion. |
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zblu Unregistered guest | have a pair of bose 901 series 2 - luv `em!, 301 , well nuff said, also have a pair of lifestyles? with the amp 12/240 volt built in best buy ever!, for $ value their better than the 901's!. Mind you all depends on the amp driving it all, KEFS are nice |
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Bronze Member Username: Stereo_geniousUSA Post Number: 44 Registered: Jul-05 | No highs, no lows--it must be BOSE! Guess what? My parents own a pair of Bose bookshelf speakers, and man, they are awesome! They have so little bass, they sound pathetic at high volumes, and best of all, they have no highs! Yay! Bose is the best in the world! Man, those paper drivers really work wonders! Just kidding! I actually HATE Bose! What's worse, as mentioned earlier, is that my parents own a set of Bose speakers! What should I do?! |
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Boser Unregistered guest | I have 301's up front, 201's for rear and bose center. For base I have 10" velodyne sub woffer that will shake the walls. Very pleased with sound and performance for the past 5 years! That said, I never did like the little cubes much. |
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andre abd Unregistered guest | i am presently shopping around for a new home cinema system and I am considering buying the B&W MT20. Any suggestions? |
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Unregistered guest | I just got myself a B&W ASW855... U gotta listen to this Sub to believe what I experienced :D Serious Bass guys! I've listened to so many subs for the past 10 years and I've not listened to Bass like this, ever! It puts out a 1000W though and goes down to abt 18Hz, so u gotta make sure that u'r neighbors are out of town coz it rattled all my neighbors windows and doors as well :D Thank god they were my relatives so they wouldn't call the police coz of the powerful sound. Mind u, the owners manual has a warning note in regards to the powerful soundwaves the sub makes and how u should respect the privacy of your neighbors. I laughed at it when I read it first. But not after I pluged it in & listened to it :o I think I felt a couple of my own ribs rattle too (heehee :D) I wouldn't compare it to BOSE coz BOSE doesn't have a Sub for home use that's this powerful and goes down to the deep 18Hz. It wouldn't be fare ;) I recommend this sub to everyone who is serious abt bass if u don't think u can afford it brandnew, check out ebay, I'm sure u can find better pricing in there ;) Enjoy :D |
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Unregistered guest | I own a LifeStyle 28 system. I am not an idiot or a spendthrift. Nor am I deaf. I buy stereos for sound not numbers. I also based my purchase on style since I needed "cubes" to allow for ceiling and wall mounting. I read all the Bose setup info and installed my system so as to maximize the direct / reflect capabilities of the system. I - and several others - think that it sounds great. I've actually had people "duck" when planes "buzz" them in movies and have rattled living room pictures with the bass from explosions. My Two Cents to any prospective buyers: Bose offers a quality all-in-one home theater package. The system sounds very good if set up correctly. Bose provides excellent customer support in many areas. Bose has sent three firmware upgrades for my system, a custom equalization package that plays tones over the speakers and then sets the system for the optimum equalization settings for your specific listening environment, and some very nice audio DVD music samplers - all for FREE. The system also looks great with my Sharp Aquos LCD. I know that I could have probably put together a system that sounds equally as good -- or possibly a bit better - for less money. To do so, however, I would have had to do a lot of research to insure that the satellite speakers, DVD player, amp, center speaker, etc. were all "matched". When you purchase Bose you definitely pay a "Bose Premium" that goes to cover all of that advertising and those "free" upgrades and DVDs they send you. I feel that you also get a worry free, out-of-the-box, quality home theater system with all of the bells and whistles that you'll ever want. The one area of customer service that I see as lacking at Bose is in the repair department. I temporarily had my cubes set up on microphone stands while in a rental unit. One was knocked over and the two cubes separated. I have not gotten any response from Bose as to how to reconnect them -- the speakers still work fine, but I can't wall mount them in their current condition. In researching the issue, I found several other people who also had repair issues with Bose involving a lack of schematics and assembly instructions. In some cases the units are built such that they can not be repaired, only replaced. Bose's preferred method of repair seems to be simply be "ship it to us"...period. I've owned Bose for almost twenty years. My original AM5's are still cranking out good sounds on my bedroom system and I have already expressed my fondness for my LS28 system. I have tried to offer a fair and balanced review here. I hope that it has been of some help. |
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New member Username: CdanCa Usa Post Number: 1 Registered: Aug-05 | well...now i'm REALLY confused. I was all set to buy AM 10 series 3 w/yamaha rxv2500, and it seems it's all crap. Can someone make a good recommendation for 5.1 system for under $1500, with no huge standup columns? thanx |
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New member Username: TurnkeyRoseville, CA United States Post Number: 1 Registered: Aug-05 | Whew!!, OK, now that we mostly agree that Bose AM's are junk :-) I have a question. I have a 7.1 system using all AM5's (from eBay thank god) and a 200 watt Cambridge Soundworks Sub. The room is 14'D X 18'W. I want to get better sounding speakers but the 4 surround speakers need to remain small as the wires are in the wall/attic and the spk are near the ceiling. The front speakers can be somewhat bigger as I have more room to the sides of the system. I need a suggestion for good sounding small satellite speakers and new front ones also. My budget is in the $1000 range. I am in no since of the word an audiophile. |
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ysh213 Unregistered guest | To ScreenX: how does having a separate powered sub affect the sound from the acoutsimass? FYI...I have a Yamaha RXV-2400, a Bose VCS-10 center channel, and an Acoustimass 16 for a 7.1 setup. Right now, I plug the LFE cable from the Acoustimass module into the sub input on my receiver. If I use a real sub, and not use the LFE cable in the sub input, will that diminish the bass coming from my acoustimass module? Thanks Dean |
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human being Unregistered guest | I have a pair of Bose 901's, a Bose vcs-10 center speaker and a pair of Bose 161 surround sound speakers. I love the 901's, they are great speakers if you only have a left and right speaker. The vcs-10 center speaker is average at best. I have seen speakers that retail for the same price, polk audio, that sound 100x better. Bose uses paper technology which limits the sound. Polk uses aluminum which transmits sound much better, especcially in larger rooms. My surround sound is good. I like Bose and I'm a loyal Bose customer, but there are better speakers out there for your buck. |
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Bronze Member Username: TurnkeyRoseville, CA United States Post Number: 11 Registered: Aug-05 | I went in to a Paradigm dealer and demoed the Cinema series, damm those small speakers sound good. Bought 3 C110's for L/R/C, 2 90's for the side and 2 ADP dipoles for the rear surround. Took them home and ripped down the Bose AM's and put up the paradigm's....Now that's what I'm talking about, now I know what I was missing, something called 'sound stage' which I didn't have. I am not knocking Bose, its just that the Paradigm's are much better for less money. PS..sold the Bose on eBay for enough to pay for the Paradigm's |
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Unregistered guest | Why do some people insist on dissing Bose all the time? A dummy could of told you this, but if they were crap, the 901's wouldn't have been around for a whopping 37 years! which is a bit longer than most of you lot have been around, and far longer than any other speakers! (incidently, over 1000 improvements have gone into the present 901 VI version since the first version came out in 1968, thanks to now available technology) Also, this speaker is very similar to the famed 801's, the most popular speaker for bands all around the world. Take a look around some of the big events that go on around you that use Bose speaker systems. Shows, football stadiums (Heysel Stadium, to mention one), countless cinimas, theme parks (including the UK's biggest two, Blackpool's pleasure beach and Alton towers) They have also been used for the Olympics. What cars fit Bose as standard? Audi, Porsche to name but 2. Do you realy think all these top entertainment spots are throwing their money away? I won't insult your intelligence by responding so judge for yourself. Have you ever heard the saying "You can fool some of the people some of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time" Well that applies specialy to these 37yr old speakers. As with all good sytems, set-up is vital, and if you havn't heard the top high's and true base from a pair of 901's, it's proberbly because you was not using the VERY much required bose equaliser that comes with a pair of genuine 901's. Or it was not set up properly. Mabe it could be that they was just not right for your particular amp, (lots of cheap-end amps work amazing with the 901's and yet some high-end amps work terrible), so it's nothing to do with how much your amp cost, or how many watts it pushes) but believe me, if you hear a pair that's set up right, they will quite simply blow your socks off! You won't want any other speakers after hearing them. Also, it's worth taking the time to change the posistion of the speakers in your room to achive the best sound. For instance, the 901's have one full range driver that fires out towards the front, and EIGHT full-range drivers that fire out from the back of the speaker, to be reflected off the walls you need behind them to allow this sound to be reflected. The best position you can have them is with large glass pattio doors behind them, as glass reflects excellently and absorbs very little sound. (A 'Live performance' has been measured that about 80% of what you actualy hear is reflected off varius surfices before you hear it, walls, ceilings, furnishings ext., with only the remaining 20% being direct sound) so that solid wall behind them is so important or you will loose 80% of that speakers power, not to mention loosing the base that fires out of the back too. Anyway, my main reason for my view on here is to say i also use the Bose 'Acoustimass 10' for all video playback, this version has 3, instead of the usual 2, full size base speakers in it's acoustimass module to take into account the rear surround base track thats now included on most modern dvd's. Two base speakers for the front surround and one base speaker for the rear surround sound. That's something you don't get in most systems, it realy does add to the realism when watching War/Space movies ext. My advice to anyone thinking of looking for new speakers is, you can do a lot worse than go and listen to Bose. In the UK Bose have outlets with studios so you can listen to them as they should sound when properly set up, but bring along ur fav cd so you can listen to 'your' music, and make your own mind up. As a foot-note, I first got into Bose 901's at a local wine bar back in 1976 when i heared for the first time, Stevie Wonder's 'Songs in the Key of Life'. I hadn't listened to Stevie before that, and I didnt even know what a Bose speaker was! But it sounded so amazing, I didn't know it at the time, but it was going to effect my whole life for the better from then on, and my true love of music had began. So I made my mind up that night that I was going to have a pair in my room so I could listen to music that sounded as good as it did in that wine bar (Kirklands in Liverpool, (it's still there today, but unfortunatly the 901's are not)) My point being, I wasn't swayed by some up-market advert, or a pushy salesman, or any know-all critics review, or cost, or 'must-have' brand. It was based purly on what I was listening to at the time and no other factor! Whatever you choose, may it be right for you (everyone hears music different from other people, hence different tastes, classical/rock & so on, so make sure u get the chance to hear what you are buying 1st, and only use reviews as a guide to aiding you in your choice, but most of all, enjoy your music. |
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Unregistered guest | I have owned the original AM-5 system, original 301 system, 201 system, new 301 system, 601s and 701s. I currently own the AM-3 series IV and the AM-5 Series III, and they sound gorgeous. They even sound good connected to my mediocre RCA 100 watts/channel receiver. The only thing the aren't good for, but I've outgrown, is house parties. If you want to rock a house and have your neighbors think you're cool, they won't do it. If you're in the same room with the AM-5 or AM-3 speakers, they rock! The bass module of the AM-3 system knocked a porcelain figurine off of a shelf above my toilet and broke the tank top!.. That's only one 5 1/4" woofer! The AM-5 system employs two 5 1/4" woofers! You people that are knocking BOSE are idoiots. They are tested by SYNCOM computer technology for response, so get your ears checked. And don't try saying I'm bamboozled by their marketing ploys, because I'm a skeptical b*stard that has owned Infinity, Klipsch and a pair of Cerwin Vega AT-100s (102 lbs each 15 in. woofers..). The BOSE sound great, and I'm loving movies playing through them. I think you should get out of these forums that make you bitter.. |
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Gold Member Username: IlluminatorPost Number: 1576 Registered: Apr-05 |
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Gold Member Username: Project6Post Number: 3911 Registered: Dec-03 | And if you do rock the house, the neighbors never think you are cool. Jexx, How do you do those quote thingies? I don't see you in the iPod forums anymore? These guys can get redundant. |
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Nick Shippey Unregistered guest | My suggestion for serious sound quality is Bowers and Wilkins 600 Series. They cancel any standing waves with their Nautilus Tweeter and can take instantanious bursts of energy well with their Kevlar midrange. I have heard several sets of speakers (I myself have a pair of the B&W Model Nautilus speakers with Mcintosh Amps) including my own and I feel that B&W will be the scientifically, statistically best choice. These will blow any Bose speakers (from any era) clear out of the picture. Built in England by people who are as much enthusiasts as I am. Starts at 350/pr. -N. |
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SICK OF BOSE GEEKS Unregistered guest | I suggest you read the thread title "acoustimass systems", idiot. I also suggest you reconsider calling people "idiots" over anonymous message boards, like most pu$$ies do, because their opinion happens to differ from yours. I guess you spent a little too much time locked in your locker in high school and this is an outlet for that pent-up rage. "but if they were crap, the 901's wouldn't have been around for a whopping 37 years!" Amway products have been around for a long time too. I suggest you buy some. |
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Unregistered guest | To ysh213 (Dean) Sorry for the late reply bro.. The answer to your question, Yes. The Lower frequencies comming out of the AM will vanish if u unplug the LFE. Y? BCoz if I'm not mistaken, the RXV 2400 sends frequencies below 120Hz to the LFE. So your BOSE AM will still reproduce the frequencies above that coz it's connected to the main speaker outs anywayz. If u still want to have the lower bass coming out of the sub you should look for an active sub which has a line out for a second add-on sub so that u can connect u'r BOSE LFE through that sub, or just buy a splitter so u can split the connection from the Yamaha and connect both subs from there itself How is your system? Do u like the sounds? Hope I helped |
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Unregistered guest | To ysh213 (Dean) Sorry for the late reply bro.. The answer to your question, Yes. The Lower frequencies comming out of the AM will vanish if u unplug the LFE. Y? BCoz if I'm not mistaken, the RXV 2400 sends frequencies below 120Hz to the LFE. So your BOSE AM will still reproduce the frequencies above that coz it's connected to the main speaker outs anywayz. If u still want to have the lower bass coming out of the sub you should look for an active sub which has a line out for a second add-on sub so that u can connect u'r BOSE LFE through that sub, or just buy a splitter so u can split the connection from the Yamaha and connect both subs from there itself How is your system? Do u like the sounds? Hope I helped |
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Unregistered guest | Just a little antidote to all of the above I think may ammuse you... I was the proud owner of a pair of 901's for over 5 years when my wife gave me this ultimatum: "Either them dam speakers go, or I go.....You pay them far more attention than you have ever paid ME!" So, being the gentleman I am, I helped her pack... Thereafter followed a messy divorce, which ment me having to downsize my accomodation. Rather than putting the 901's into storage, I gave them to my brother to 'mind' untill I had a home big enough to accomodate them. 18 months later and I am now back on my feet and have the property I want/need. Now was the time to get my 901's back from my brother... This took me 3 weeks of begging and pleading with him to get them back, and I nearly had to fight him for them! (and I would of done if I had to) Anyway, all's well than ends well as I am re-united with my beloved Bose. Footnote: Glad she's gone, nagging cow. |
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Unregistered guest | I just have to leave my input here, as it's only fair I leave some after all the laughs I have had reading a lot of the reviews. I can say to all of you who say "You just can't get true base from a speaker as small as the ones in the Bose Acoustimass systems" that you have no knlowledge whatsoever about accoustics, and realy should take the time to read up about any subject you are going to pretend to be an expert on... As mentioned on here, the 901's have amazing base, yet this is produced from a much smaller speaker than in the acoustmass system? How is this possible? Let me enlighten you, as I am sure I am already way over your heads....tho it's no guarded secret. You are 'nearly' correct when you say 'true base is about air movment' You see, the quality of true base is not about the total volume of air movment unless you live in a field, it's all about how the air that is produced is handled. Bose do this by fine-tuning this air by passing it through several finely tuned chambers within the acoustimass module and only then porting it into your room on a mass of air. The air speed emitted from bose speakers can reach speeds of 60 mile per hour! now that's no slouch by any means! So if your going to use big words to express your feelings on a subject, do have at least a small idea of what you are talking about. (Lest you become the jokes of the world) Also, incidently, Bose invest every penny of profit they make, back into music reasearch. They are a NON-PROFIT organisation. Besides that, thank you for the laughs, but don't try corrupting music fans with your stupididty, because when you talk so foolishly, you leave yourself open to being so easly exposed. Bill. |
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Unregistered guest | You want musical perfection? Easy....... Go watch the band LIVE! You want it in your home? Go hire the band to come play there! No other way is even close to perfection, so save you money chasing it & be happy with what you are listining to. A crappy 'Gheto-blaster' was all I had in Walton prison (Car fines) but it sounded as good as anything I had ever listened to. I now save money on audio equip., and keep my car legal instead! Find your own motto in that. |
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HTnoob Unregistered guest | I used to envy my friend who own Bose .. But after learning more about speakers, I finally realized that Bose speakers are very overpriced. True some people will say that Bose speakers produced a pleasing music to the ear. But you can get a similar sound quality with much less money. After more research I finally decide to gamble and ordered a VT-12 speaker set from www.hsuresearch.com, along with their biggest subwoofer (VTF3-MK2). And boy did I love my setup. The subwoofer is little bit overkill for VT12, I basically never use more than 20% of that subwoofer power. They do have a 30days money back guarantee. If you live in the US, you might want to contact them and do the trial... at worst you will have to pay the cost to ship it back... |
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Unregistered guest | I agree with Bill Westwood |
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Bronze Member Username: DiverhankHuntington Beach, CA Post Number: 25 Registered: Sep-05 | I use a pair of Bose FreeStyle for my surround L/R and they are OK. I use a pair of Infinity Kappa 6.1 for my Front L/R and a matching Kappa Center speaker (cost me $1500 for the 3). I have friends who use Bose Acoustimass and I'm fairly impressed. They sound almost as good as mine for less money. So I feel that the Acoustimass speakers are not overpriced, just right. What is overpriced is Bose Lifestyle series. My brother in law just got a LS 38 for nearly $3000. The speakers are OK, the DVD player/receiver is crappola. It doesn't even have component video outputs, just S-video. |
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Unregistered guest | Everyone in here that mentions a site to buy speakers from are all company reps. Your kidding no-one, least of all me! So be carefull on who's advice you take on here and remember most have alternative motives. What makes me say this is I'v tried Kappa 6.1 on loan from a friend and they are the worst speakers I have ever heared in my life, so give them a big miss or you'l be very sorry!... should be called 'Krappa' because that's exactly what they are! |
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Unregistered guest | I agree Steve, but I have heard the VT-12 system, and believe me, these are even worse than kappa. Best advice? Go audition the speakers you have in mind, don't be put off by biased reviews, and make your own mind up as to what sounds good to YOU! After all, it is you who will be using them. |
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Bronze Member Username: DiverhankHuntington Beach, CA Post Number: 33 Registered: Sep-05 | You can't buy the Kappa 6.1 in the US anymore so how can I be a salesman? . The music I listen to is mostly jazz and the Kappa, imho, can't be beat. Perhaps this is why I also think the Bose Acoustimass is not bad at all. Like Sam da man said, whatever is good for you...you probably like rock music with lots of bass then the Kappa is probably lacking...to each his own. |
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Unregistered guest | BOSE is BOSE..... Nothing can Beat it..!!! |
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TAS2005 Unregistered guest | If you like the way Bose sound and don't mind paying a lot of money for them....not a good value....do it. A personal experience from the lates 80's me make up my mind about Bose. I friend of mine had a pair of the 901's with an Onkyo receiver. I had a pair of Klipsch KG4's. One weekend I brought my speakers to his house for a party, since his parents were away. After a few hours of very loud music, his 901's began to clip and then one of his speakers stopped working all together. The KG4's didn't miss a beat for the rest of the evening and next morning. From that point forward I have not cared for Bose. Not that they sound that horrible, but if their flagship high end speaker can't keep up with the second to lowest model Klipsch had to offer at the time for close to half the price, then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to take it from there. To this day my KG4's still amaze me with the great sound they product. By the way to those who ramble on about Dr. Bose being a PhD.....Paul Klipsch also is a PhD. My point is that Dr. Bose still wants to maximise his profit, even if that means delivering a product that doesn't justify its price tag. As has been stated on many posts......bring some of your music to an audio store and listen to any number of products and decide which one sounds best to you.....after all you will be listening to them more than the rest of us on the message board. Happy listening! |
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New member Username: BeacheshomePost Number: 1 Registered: Oct-05 | I just bought the Bose acoustimas series 3 subwoofer & satellite package today. It sounded amazing in the store but when I got home and set it up in my living room it was one huge disappointment. There's a massive gap in the range between the satellites and the subwoofer. I was upgrading from a low end surround sound speaker package and I'm sorry to say that this Bose package was a big step backwards and four times the price of what I had. Too bad Bose - I thought you guys knew what you were doing. |
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Paul98 Unregistered guest | Wow I can't believe an internet forum actually has a debate about this. It should be general knoledge that that Bose make over priced junk. the ONLY thing bose has going for it is that it's small. Even then there are many small speakers that will outperform bose at a much lower price. Also because of the small speakers they use, they need something to produce the bass they the speakers themselfs can't. Bass in not directional after about 80hz, but after that you can tell where it's coming from. Which is why most speakers go down to atleast 80hz, and subs are generally start lower than that. Ok lets take size out of the equation, give yourself the same amount of money as you would spend on those bose speakers. Then buy something else in the same price range. What you would get would totally blow bose out of the water. The biggest rip off I have seen yet is that bose 3.2.1 system. It's funny because bose compaires the system to the speakers in the tv. Which is just stupid, if you are going to compare something you might want to do it with something that is in the range of what they are selling. Plus most recievers now have simulated surround for when people don't have 5.1 systems. which is going to do the same as the bose system does. It would be funny to compair a quality dvd player, 2 channel reciever and pair of something like polk LSi9's, or 7's with sub to that system. It would be like compairing a middle school football team to a pro team. Now you spend the same money on something else vs bose and the difference is going to be giant. What else you get is just going to have so much more depth, sound staging, clarity, accuracy,... |
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Paul98 Unregistered guest | "hy do some people insist on dissing Bose all the time? A dummy could of told you this, but if they were crap, the 901's wouldn't have been around for a whopping 37 years! which is a bit longer than most of you lot have been around, and far longer than any other speakers! (incidently, over 1000 improvements have gone into the present 901 VI version since the first version came out in 1968, thanks to now available technology) Also, this speaker is very similar to the famed 801's, the most popular speaker for bands all around the world." Popularity and how long something has been around means that it's selling it has nothing to do with how good it is. Great marketing can sell anything. "Take a look around some of the big events that go on around you that use Bose speaker systems. Shows, football stadiums (Heysel Stadium, to mention one), countless cinimas, theme parks (including the UK's biggest two, Blackpool's pleasure beach and Alton towers) They have also been used for the Olympics. What cars fit Bose as standard? Audi, Porsche to name but 2.Do you realy think all these top entertainment spots are throwing their money away?" Bose car audio isn't as horrid as the rest of there line, but for the price you spend on the bose system in one of those cars you can get a much nicer aftermarket system. Once again the reason you see those in stadiums and other even places like that has nothing to do with how they sound. It's going to be all price, and I bet bose gives them an amazing price. Since once again they are getting more marketing and exposure. You want to impress how about showing recording studios that use bose speakers. But then again there arn't any. "I won't insult your intelligence by responding so judge for yourself. Have you ever heard the saying "You can fool some of the people some of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time" Well that applies specialy to these 37yr old speakers. As with all good sytems, set-up is vital, and if you havn't heard the top high's and true base from a pair of 901's, it's proberbly because you was not using the VERY much required bose equaliser that comes with a pair of genuine 901's. Or it was not set up properly. Mabe it could be that they was just not right for your particular amp, (lots of cheap-end amps work amazing with the 901's and yet some high-end amps work terrible), so it's nothing to do with how much your amp cost, or how many watts it pushes) but believe me, if you hear a pair that's set up right, they will quite simply blow your socks off! You won't want any other speakers after hearing them. Also, it's worth taking the time to change the posistion of the speakers in your room to achive the best sound. For instance, the 901's have one full range driver that fires out towards the front, and EIGHT full-range drivers that fire out from the back of the speaker, to be reflected off the walls you need behind them to allow this sound to be reflected. The best position you can have them is with large glass pattio doors behind them, as glass reflects excellently and absorbs very little sound. (A 'Live performance' has been measured that about 80% of what you actualy hear is reflected off varius surfices before you hear it, walls, ceilings, furnishings ext., with only the remaining 20% being direct sound) so that solid wall behind them is so important or you will loose 80% of that speakers power, not to mention loosing the base that fires out of the back too." Too bad mixing studios already account for all of this. All those reflecting speakers are just killing the sound staging of those speakers. Plus no matter how much equalizing you do you will never be able to produce true highs and lows from them as the drivers used will not go high or low enough. anyway I got to get going now |
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Unregistered guest | Paul98............. a fool Just another Bose Basher who knows nothing at all, just like the rest, and consequently, no one ever listens too.... So who cares? "Bose are a non-Profit organisation, every penny they make is re-invested into research" Paul99 |
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Unregistered guest | Most Bose bashers have been used to listening to their music out of tinny boxes and never been to a live gig in their lives. So they become frightened when they hear really good speakers such as Bose, they get frightened because it's so new to them to hear music as it should be, so they just won't accept it. Whereas most of us who utalise our grey matter recognise them straight away as being close to the real thing. But, alas... you need a brain in order for that to work. |
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New member Username: Paul98Post Number: 2 Registered: Oct-05 | LOL, yeah who wants full sound, a sound stage where you can actually tell where the insturments are supposed to be. Who cares how the studio intended the music to be listened to. instead they should have used bose to mix there music. Anyway looks like the marketing has been so ingrained into some peoples heads that they just blindly believe what ever good things they hear about bose. Why doesn't bose make a sub to go with those systems they sell. Once you hear a good system I don't know how you could even go back to bose. I would dare you to listen to something like Polk LSi speakers, Paradigm, or anything else in that range then try and compair it to bose. as it wouldn't stand a chance. Now how is bose a non-profit company? if you mean they put there money into researching how they can sell more then I guess they do. Generally those who like bose ether spent a ton of money on bose without any research. Or those who have been told it's really good, and have only haerd cheap speakers. Like those in there tv. As once you hear good speakers and what stuff is supposed to sound like, bose stuff just sounds like garbage. There is no clarity, depth, soundstaging,... |
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Bronze Member Username: Mango_joeOrlando, Florida Usa Post Number: 21 Registered: Oct-05 | bose bashers suck they have no taste in any thing except pushing thier unwanted opinion on everyone else |
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New member Username: Paul98Post Number: 8 Registered: Oct-05 | Is bose paying you to push there products? I think the question "Are Bose speakers acoustimass systems worth the money?" means these opinions are wanted. I still don't understand how people can buy bose for anything else but due to there marketing. |
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Anonymous | I have a pair of Bose 201 V Series bookshelf speakers. I have to change my music system. What is the best alternative I should go for. I want to use these Bose speakers in my new system. Can I attach these speakers with a boom box. |
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Anonymous | Have looked at 3-2-1 GSX DVD home entertainment system by bose -- no way in condo to hook up rear speakers and have heard wireless suck -- does anyone know anything about this system? Would appreciate owners of this system letting me know their thoughts. |
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audioengineer Unregistered guest | Bose bashers suck?...read the very first post for this thread, shamuchef. The guy was clearly asking for opinions. Ok, here is mine: I have an Acoustimass 5 and Bose 901 Series III speakers. First, let's talk about quality of build. Bose uses light density fiber board for the construction of their non-plastic speakers. Most quality speakers are made from MDF. Second, they don't do a good job of sealing the seams of the boxes. Third, the speaker drivers themselves are no better than any standard paper cone driver. The speaker magnets and actual construction are mediocre at best. I have one huge complaint about Bose. They do not publish the frequency responses for their speakers. Had I known that to begin with, I would have never been suckered into buying the accustimass. Forget about the BS fancy acoustic chambers...any audiophile will agree that bass response comes from moving air. Two 5 inch bass drivers don't cut it. Someone said in an earlier post that Bose is a sonic mess. That is the best description I've heard. I guess Dr. Bose was out that day when the professor discussed high frequency response using this fantastic new invention called a tweeter. I have seen alot of very solid advice on comparable systems. I on the other hand have been somewhat adventurous and have gone to that next step in the budget vs. high fedility. I have learned some important lessons. 1. The speaker drivers are the most important component of the system. 2. The cross-over network is second. If they don't match the drivers frequency response...forget it. 3. There are several companies that sell complete speaker kits using the very best speaker drivers in the world like Vifa, Morel, Bang Tang. These kit are great. I recently bought a full kit from one vendor and I think these sound as good or better than some high end speakers I auditioned from Bowers & Wilkins. If you are interested go look at the following web pages: http://www.madisound.com/ http://www.partsexpress.com/ Bose lovers are more likely to own a Sharper Image Ionic breeze. Psst...those don't work as advertised either. |
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 6181 Registered: May-04 | "I have one huge complaint about Bose. They do not publish the frequency responses for their speakers." You're kidding?! That's your "huge" complaint concerning Bose?! "Had I known that to begin with, I would have never been suckered into buying the accustimass." Really? You couldn't tell just by listening there was no high or low end of any quality? Sorry, I doubt there was much "suckering" going on here. Dr. Bose was the professor. And, all sound comes from moving air. |
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Bronze Member Username: Paul98Post Number: 22 Registered: Oct-05 | "Have looked at 3-2-1 GSX DVD home entertainment system by bose -- no way in condo to hook up rear speakers and have heard wireless suck -- does anyone know anything about this system? Would appreciate owners of this system letting me know their thoughts." that has to be the most overpiced piece of junk out there. All the 321 is, is there bass module, and left, right, center speakers, then a receiver/dvd player with simulated surround sound. Not to mention that the speakers and module them selfs are of very good quality at all. For the price you would be much better off going with 3 real speakers and a sub form another company, then a receiver and dvd player. Or maybe just 2 real nice speakers, and receiver and dvd player. Then when you get more room or money you can upgrade. and start adding a center, sub, surrounds... |
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Bronze Member Username: Paul98Post Number: 23 Registered: Oct-05 | "Really? You couldn't tell just by listening there was no high or low end of any quality? Sorry, I doubt there was much "suckering" going on here. " generally if someone has never heard a good system before bose will sound good. PLus if you compare it to the speakers in your tv it should sound good. Then add marketing, and other people saying bose is good, it's easy to see why this happens. |
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