Archive through December 03, 2004
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Unregistered guest | This pic shows how high gain the screen is http://groups.msn.com/diyprojectiontv/screenshotsontheuhgscreen.msnw?action=Show Photo&PhotoID=598 |
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Unregistered guest | This pic shows how high gain the screen is http://groups.msn.com/diyprojectiontv/screenshotsontheuhgscreen.msnw?action=Show Photo&PhotoID=598 |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 23 Registered: Dec-03 | Well, at this point if after reading this entire thread anybody is still considering sending a scam site their $9, what can anyone say? |
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New member Username: Kebn123Post Number: 1 Registered: Sep-04 | I just stumbled across this projection tv thingy. I dont want it for watching tv. But for outside for Halloween effects. I am kinda of lazy and would want things bundled in one package. Dont wanna run all over the place looking for parts. But i dont wanna line pockets of scammers either. Is there a good site that might show plans on how to build one of these things( with pictures ) I'd rather donate the 20 bucks to some one with a nice site instead. |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 24 Registered: Dec-03 | I don't see how you can use this outside, as the durn thing can barely generate enough light INside. But, I'll let you be the judge. Here are some links with the same plans the scammers would have you send them $20 for (however, they would be gracious enough to include a couple of fresnel lenses). There are also a few other DIY ideas that might be more to your liking. Have at it! http://www.louisville.edu/~wchall01/diyprojector/howto.htm http://fender410.tripod.com/ http://www.smokinpuppy.com/protv.html http://www.playntradeonline.com/projector.html http://users.pandora.be/emmanuel.geeraert1/diyvp/ http://www.iamanangelchaser.com/processes/DIY_video_projector/DIY_video_projecto r.html http://people.eecs.ku.edu/~astaples/projector/main.htm http://dreamlash.com/DIY/index.php?postid=1 http://bigscreentv.20m.com/photo.html http://groups.msn.com/DiyProjectionTV/collectedpicsfromsites.msnw?Page=2 |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 25 Registered: Dec-03 | Oh, I almost forgot to tell you. The plans in my post above are a BIG SECRET! This is the stuff that the BIG SCREEN TV MANUFACTURERS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW!!!! So, SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! And remember....these plans produce a projection TV that's JUST LIKE I-MAX AND AS GOOD AS AN LCD PROJECTOR!!!!!! But, now YOU can have the secret plans for a mere cost of.........FREE!!!! |
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Unregistered guest | Lol you could'nt take the piss more then that Motley keep in mind readers you can make the setup decribed in the secret plans for $1USD if you have a tv some old box's and a mirror all you have to buy is a fresnel lens from office depot and va-la dim fuzzy image on your wall. if you want a good image take a look here http://groups.msn.com/DiyProjectionTV/messageboard.msnw If you can afford a LCD/DPL projector Buy one dam it you wont be dissapointed |
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Jatz Unregistered guest | I was a sucker and bought the fresnel lenses from maxtheater.com. These people really suck. They said there is a money back guarantee "Order now & receive your 175" big screen in a few days. Try it completely risk free for a full 15 days and if you are not 100% satisfied we'll refund your entire purchase, no questions asked!" but when I email them (they don't give a phone number) they never answer. I've emailed them three times now. On their website they show those obviously fake pictures. http://www.maxtheater.com/screenshots.html This pisses me off so much because I know I'm not going to get my money back. |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 26 Registered: Dec-03 | Jatz - I feel for you. I, too, bought one of these but just out of curiosity. After I saw what rubbish this crap was, I petitioned for my money back. Earlier on this board, I explain in detail the difficulty in getting a refund. At one point the seller became outright bombastic. I finally got my money (which I wanted back on principle) and that was what angered me enough to start posting on this board. Now others can learn the truth before they, too, are suckered in by these fancy internet site bogus claims and - as you testify - may not get a refund if they want it. People have posted on this board saying they are glad they found out the truth before they sent their money to one of these scam sites. Some of my detractors have argued with me that "It's only $20! What's the big deal! Get a life, Motley!". Well, that it's only $20 is not the point. I don't care if it were only 5 cents. It's the principle. The point is NOBODY LIKES TO GET SCAMMED! These fancy internet sites LIE TO GET YOUR MONEY. And they are getting away with it. So, for others reading this board, Jatz is telling it like it is. Of course, as you can see from my post directly above, there is no need to petition a scam site because you can simply download the same "secret plans" for free right here. If you don't like 'em, what have you lost? If the plans "work great" (to quote Big Bear and others), well fine...you still saved $9 - $20. Who can argue with that? |
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HappyCamper123 Unregistered guest | Wow you must check out this great project I found!!! While surfing the web I found this site www.greatfreesuperprojectortvdeviceproject.com It was easy to do and the image clarity is great!! I now have a wall to wall tv screen!!! Great for games to! |
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leo9009 Unregistered guest | Can some one give me a site that I can use for with my current tv? Like by flipping my tv upside down and just using mirrors boxes and a frensel lense. I dont want to pay more than 20.00 max. Thanks |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 27 Registered: Dec-03 | Leo9009... You don't need to go to any special site and spend $20. Look at my September 12th post above. Download the SAME PLANS for FREE. I mean....DUH??? And...HappyCamper123... First of all, the link to this "great site" you found doesn't work. Secondly, even if it did I suspect that what you are promoting is fresnel lens projection TV. The language in your post sounds like scam site lingo. I suspect you are a scammer. If I'm wrong, feel free to respectfully correct me. If I'm right, consider yourself busted. The "secret plans" can be gotten for free right here on this board. |
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leo9009 Unregistered guest | thanx stephen and also 1 more thing which is the best method straight foward or facing up towards the celling. and which lens is best to use Thanks |
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Unregistered guest | Stephen Holmes, good find on http://www.playntradeonline.com/projector.html  |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 28 Registered: Dec-03 | Thanks, James Henry. Great stuff! Leo, use a fresnel lens, which you can get from an office supply store for a few bucks. You can also order them on the internet (i guess you can type "order fresnel lens" in your search engine or something). I am not a proponent of the fresnel lens tv system. I'm only busting out scammers who are selling the exact same plans for $9 to $20 that James Henry just posted. I own an LCD projector myself, but sympathize with those that can't afford one. My suggestion is to review Gadgit's posts. He claims to have a system that, while not as good as an LCD projector, provides a good big screen experience. I have no way of judging his system. But, what I DO know from my own experience is fresnel lens tv is a waste of time. However, if you must build this system, at least don't get rooked by these bogus internet sites and eBay scammers. That's why we're posting their "secret" plans for readers to download for free. Good luck, whatever system you choose! |
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New member Username: Jay_dubLa United States Post Number: 2 Registered: Sep-04 | Is the Max Theater projection kit any good or is it just another one of those scams? |
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Anonymous | Jay Dub is an idiot |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 29 Registered: Dec-03 | The Max Theater projection kit is most likely just another fresnel lens scam. Download the same plans for the kit right here for free if you want them. Then use the $16 you saved to buy your self a pizza and few beers to have while you assemble the contraption. I'm frankly amazed if anybody is still torn about whether to patronize these scam sites when we are offering the SAME PLANS right here for FREE. Uh, do people WANT to get scammed??? I don't get it! |
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Unregistered guest | where can i buy a lens if i do not want to buy one on the net |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 30 Registered: Dec-03 | I already mentioned that I've seen the lenses at office supply stores. I suggest going back to read through this board for information concerning the "how-to" details. These posts, and many other message boards on the internet, tell you everything you want to know if you want to build your own fresnel lens (and non-fresnel lens) TV. Heck, next someone will post "where do I get the cardboard, duct tape and paint to build my fresnel lens TV?" Also, how can one look at the fresnel lens TV plans posted here, then look at the Max Theater site and not know they are running the same scam? I know I sound harsh here, but I wonder if these two most recent posters are sorta kinda pulling my leg by asking these ultra-elementary questions. I mean, come on folks! This ain't exactly rocket science. The plans that scam sites are charging $9 to $20 for are posted here for free and if that's not enough people posting on this board are offering detailed information and links to other projection TV message boards. If you STILL need someone to hold your hand above and beyond that, go ahead and send your money to a scam site. I mean, come on! |
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Kid Frigid Unregistered guest | Another good link if you want to see how to build one. Probably the best so far, plus plans to build your own arcade at home too. Bonus !! http://www.doesyourroomsuck.com/ |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 31 Registered: Dec-03 | Kid Frigid - OUTSTANDING!! Eat THAT, scammers! |
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Kid Frigid Unregistered guest | Thanks, Stephen . One thing I wanted to add/ask. The site that I have a link to says to line the inside of the box white, but almost every other site says to paint/line the box black. Now, to me the logical thing would be to have it white, because any light that is projected from the TV and through the lense would be brighter, whereas the black would absorb it, making the image dimmer. Any input on this? |
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Anonymous | Stephen, you say why buy a projection kit from one of the websites when you could get the plans for free.Well,when you buy a projection kit it comes with everything you need to build it.If you get the plans for free you still have to go out and buy the materials to build it. Why not buy it from one of the websites and get everything you need, instead of running all around trying to find the stuff to build it.Yes, it might cost one or two dollars more from a website to order it, but you get it shipped right to your door.Wouldn't you rather do that instead of burning all that gas trying to find the materials? |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 32 Registered: Dec-03 | Kid Frigid - Which is better, white or black paint? Dunno. Maybe someone else on this board does. Or, you could just build two boxes, paint one white, one black and find out for yourself! Now, to Anonymous' question. I ordered one of these kits long ago. So, I know what you get. What I got are xeroxed pages of "plans"...the same plans posted right here...and two fresnel lenses. That's IT. I didn't get any "materials". Also, we are not talking about "one or two dollars more." Some of these scam sites are selling the "plans" for up to $20 plus postage and handling. But, let's grant you the benefit of the doubt and allow that a site you petition (or I suspect run) gives you all "the materials". When you talk about "running around" to find the same stuff, what's the big deal? Let's see...I would have to "run around" and find some cardboard. Hmmm, TOUGH JOB! Then I would have to "run around" and get my fresnel lenses. As we keep saying, they sell them at office supply stores or you can get them on the internet for a few bucks. Then I would have to "run around" and get some paint and duct tape. YIKES, now that's a REAL challenge! As far as "burning all that gas" (I love how you put the the most negative spin on stuff), that's an individual decision. I've "burned gas" going back and forth to the hardware store and the window shade fabric shop finding materials to construct a 12-1/2 foot wide screen for my LCD projector. I've "burned gas" to take girls on a date. Heck, I've "burned gas" going for a six pack and pizza. If a situation is worth it, you will "burn gas" to do what you have to do. Lastly, there is the principle, which you do not address in your post. The fact is, these scam websites lie to get money. Their sites portray home entertainment lounges with the lights FULLY ON and on that screen is a bright, colorful, sharp image. These fresnel lens contraptions absolutely do not produce the results the scam websites claim. Fresnel lens tv is NOT "just like IMAX" nor does it "rival an LCD projector". Would you like to address that issue? The truth of the matter is that these scam sites around the internet and on eBay are selling snake oil and the reason they are getting away with it is that they are taking advantage of the curious, the hopeful and the gullible. Nobody likes to get scammed. I'll bet including YOU. That's why not "buy it from one of the websites". |
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Anonymous | Alright Stephen,is the projector plans that you get for free clearer than the ones from the scammers.So, if i build the projector from the plans that you tell me to get, it will be a whole lot better than the ones from the scammers?I brought up the issue for the gas b/c the nearest office supply store from me is bought an hour away.Which if you drive an hour there and an hour back that burns a hell of alot of gas and gas cost money.And gas cost so much right now.I know someone who bought the kit from a website and they got everything they needed to build it,they even got the projector screen. |
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Unregistered guest | They got a good deal then cause 99% of the sham sites only sell the plans and lenses but tell you it's a kit and inform you where to get the stuff you need I got a kit and I live in New Zealand it told me to go to some store on the US to get the stuff I needed the other 1% give you a cd as well with the plans on it. I dont beleave they got a screen with the kit for $20 a low cost screen will set you back $200 unless it's just a roll of white paper. I am afrade you will have to provide a link to the site for me to beleave you Kid Frigid The inside of the box should be lined with a mat finished black marterial this is to reduce gosting and also to stop the image being washed out try it the image will be a little brighter with white but not that much and you will get very sore eyes from the blured gosty image |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 33 Registered: Dec-03 | Anonymous... A projector screen for $20??? Come on! I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but did you have a straight face when you typed that? I'm with Gadgit. Show me the link to the site that offers the inclusion of a projector screen for the $20. As far as the rest, if it floats your boat for any reason (re: gas issues, etc.) to send your money to an internet site, I'm sure you know you don't need the good opinion of anybody on this board. It's your money and your choice. It's not up to me to discuss the burning of YOUR gas as opposed to you choosing to petition an internet site. But, just know what you are getting...the same plans that you can download right here with a click of your mouse button. If you don't want the plans for free, don't click on the links we post. Simple as that. Understand that I'm not on some kind of mission to convince people not to shop on these sites. I only think it's fair to expose these scams for what they are. Then people can make an informed decision one way or the other. What's wrong with that? You ask me are the free plans better than the scam plans. No. They are the SAME PLANS. However, if it makes you feel better to pay for them or if you feel that it saves you gas money or whatever, you've made your decision with both eyes open. However, other folks may decide not to petition these scam sites once they know the truth about them. I assume that those reading through a message board entitled "100 Inch Projection TV for $9, Should I Or Shouldn't I?" would want to know the real deal, not the spin. |
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Anonymous | Hey,Stephen ,all i was trying to find out is,are the kits from the websites the same cardboard sh*t yall show on the plans.If it is then I agree,why would you want to buy plans to make a cardboard piece of sh*t.And if you have to supply all the materials for it then you are just wasting your time and money.I just thought it might come with better looking boxes and sh*t than cardboard. And he did get a projection screen and it wasn't a 200 dollar one.It was one of those ones that you pull down and it springs back up,it wasn't a real expensive one,but it did come with the kit.I don't know how much he paid for it or where he got it from but it came with all the plans and materials to build it. |
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Unregistered guest | Must have been a one off deal even the cheep pull down ones are over $100 All the sham sites say to make it out of card board but you can make the box out of what ever you want as long as it seals the light in all the plans are basicly the same even if they say "better then my competors plans" there is not much you can change unless you use a good glass lens witch can be obtained from http://www.surplusshed.com/ for $6 wow thats cheeper then flimsy fresnel lenses and the image wont be blury if you want a cheep fresnel surch for one on ebay now and then you can pick one up for $1.95 these guys are still making money on the lens cause they buy them for $0.75 in bulk you cant expect a good image from a $0.75 lens If you want to build a good diy projector take a look around here http://groups.msn.com/diyprojectiontv/general.msnw |
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Anonymous | Thanks Gadgit,you sound like a nice guy.That stephen fellow sounds like a a**hole. |
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Anonymous | I believe that Mr. Holmes should seriously consider being employed by Mr. Kerry to tackle George! He would do one hell of a job! What time, what thought goes into his statements! Amazing.....but this is one site that I will never revisit.. But at least after, alot of BS, I found the simple plans I was in search of....this I must give Thanks... |
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Unregistered guest | Stephen is ok he is just standing up for what he beleaves in, he has the right as he was ripped by the sham site the people who say fresnel lenses are great are not after quality just a cheep image on the wall and the people who diss them after trying them are the ones who like a good sharp infocus image like Stephen. I just like to make things and am getting a good image from my DIY unit but many hours of work have gone into it and I'm not using a cheep fresnel lens I am using a triplet lens. |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 34 Registered: Dec-03 | Now, now, folks. This isn't a message board about whether or not to argue about me personally. It's a board about whether 9 projection tv is worth it. If you scroll back through my posts, you will see that I am only giving the facts and my opinion on the subject. Unlike others, I do not get personal. I do not stoop to name-calling. I discuss the topic of this board. If that bothers people enough to consider me an a*hole, I hope they feel better for it. I've got better things to do than lose sleep over the opinions of people I don't even know and who even post as ANONYMOUS. So, to those who can leave this board more informed about scam sites or who get the free plans they are looking for, great! To the rest who prefer to attack the messenger rather than the message, I can only shrug and say have a coke, a smile and a good life. As far as time and thought into statements, this issue is like shooting ducks in a barrel. Come to think of it, debating George Bush would be like shooting ducks in a barrel also. But, let's not turn this into a political message board! We have enough trouble staying on the one topic this board is about! :-) |
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Anonymous | Hey, I'm not geting personal with anybody.I'm like you just exspressing my opinions about the subject.I was just trying to find out the real deal about these projectors.A-IGHT. |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 35 Registered: Dec-03 | Oh... than it must have been one of the OTHER anonymous posters that called me an a*hole. Sorry, ANONYMOUS. It's hard to keep you guys straight! You anonymous posters all so....ANONYMOUS! (smile!) A-IGHT! Let's give the topic of Stephen Holmes a rest and move on! |
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Anonymous | A-IGHT Stephen,sorry for the missunderstanding.What do you use for the projector screen(material)? |
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Anonymous | Hi, is there any way to opt out before they deliver? I ordered from Holland so meybe they don't bother to deliver? I ordered by moneycheck whatever that might be... Because that is no payment method anymore here in Europe? So should I bother to cancel my order or what? |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 36 Registered: Dec-03 | Re: projector screen material. I use a gigantic sheet of white window shade fabric. You can't find sheets as huge as I have in regular hardware stores. I mean, how many average consumers have 12 foot wide windows to buy shades for? A shade manufacturer I found in the phone book cut a sheet for me to size that is 12-1/2 feet wide. That cost me $25. Then I went to the hardware store and got a long piece of round wooden railing which I sawed to size. I duct taped and nailed the sheet fabric to this so I could roll it up by hand. High up on each size of my ceiling are ridges where the roll of shade fits perfectly. I simply stand on a chair, place the roll there, unroll it and there's my home theater. (It's lightweight enough for me to do this with no sweat). When I done, I roll the shade up by hand and and take it down. This may be more information than you want. However, if I simply say "I use a 12-1/2 foot wide sheet of window shade material", your next question will probably be "How the heck do you hang that monster??" So, the answer to your question is a frickin gigantic window shade! Some friends of mine have it made. They simply move a little furniture to expose an expansive all white wall they have in their living room and that's their LCD home theater. Both methods work like a charm and produce great images. Even if I was willing to spend big, big money for a dedicated projector screen, I wouldn't be able to find one big enough for my projector image. Window shade fabric works fine. You may not be able to get a sheet as big as mine, but the hardware stores do sell some very nice large sizes. Check 'em out! To Anonymous 2... Most of these sites claim to give you your money back if you're not satisfied. If you can't simply cancel the check you sent, you might want to simply return the product for a refund if you don't want it. |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 37 Registered: Dec-03 | Of course, once you get the screen material, you will have to figure out your own way to hang it based on the layout and limitations of the room where you want to view your movies. Also the stores sell "off white" shade fabric. You don't want to get that for obveous reasons. Get the all white stuff. And maybe you'll want to end up taping two sheets of fabric together with duct tape. Like any DIY project, necessity is the mother of invention! I thought about that, but didn't want any breaks in my picture image. Hope I didn't give more information that was wanted! |
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bigbear7779 Unregistered guest | I found another great site for big screen FUN! http://www.makescreen.com/ Great info here! |
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Bronze Member Username: Jay_dubLouisiana United States Post Number: 17 Registered: Sep-04 | Alright,I got a frensel lense and made a projector,but I can't get a clear picture with it.Its all blury and you can't even tell what the picture is.I did just as the plans said,I cut out four pieces of cardboard the size of my t.v. screen and I put another piece inside the box.I cut a hole in it and put the lense in the hole.I taped it to the front of the T.V. and i tried moving the tv back and forth from the wall but it does not get any clearer.Did I do something wrong? |
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Unregistered guest | 1 Fresnel lenses wont give you a good image 2 is the lens the right way around try fliping it 3 the lens should be able to be moved back and forth inside the box to focus |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 38 Registered: Dec-03 | Bigbear7779 - Give it up. http://www.doesyourroomsuck.com/tvplans.html |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 39 Registered: Dec-03 | JayDub - You didn't do anything wrong, except try to make a silk purse from a sow's ear. What you got from your cardboard tv contraption is as good as it gets. You can bet that if you send exactly what you posted here to BigBear's site, they will not run your comments as of their "customer testimonials." |
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Bronze Member Username: Jay_dubLouisiana United States Post Number: 18 Registered: Sep-04 | Gadgit,I tried moving the lense back and forth in the box also,but it just makes the picture bigger or smaller.I have a 6x frensel lense.I tried flipping it and its all the same. Stephen, what is a silk purse from a sow's ear? |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 40 Registered: Dec-03 | An Irish author and satirist named Jonathan Swift wrote that old adage. A "sow" is a female pig. The expression "make a silk purse out of sow's ear" means that it is impossible to make something fine out of inferior or substandard material. So, in your case, you can move your cardboard projection tv lens back and forth and flip it around all you want. The picture is as good as it's going to get. You can either make your peace with that or upgrade to a better system. |
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franky g funk Unregistered guest | Thanks for helping me realize all these shitty scam artist |
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Cree Unregistered guest | Mr. holmes, what is a cheap but efficient way to get a large but clear image, you seem to be very intelligent. thanks for your help, your post have made me realize that these are all scams |
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Unregistered guest | If you want cheep simple results fast get a OHP or over head projector off ebay and then get a lcd projection panel also from ebay put the panel on the OHP and turn the lights off |
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Unregistered guest | There is no such thing as a 6x lens it's just something they say to make a sale if it was a 6x lens your unit will have have the unit up against the wall to project an image the same size as a 3x lens witch they all are |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 41 Registered: Dec-03 | Cree - I agree with Gadgit. Look at the overhead projector option. Here are the plans: http://www.iamanangelchaser.com/processes/DIY_video_projector/DIY_video_projecto r.html Look on eBay for a high pixel color overhead projector LCD platen then look there for a good overhead projector. You see, the problem with the fresnel lens system is that to project an image, you need a system that will actually throw an image. Televisions aren't designed to do that, so you are hamstrung right there. For a decent picture you need a strong light and good lens. That said, once you price out your overhead LCD platen system, take a look at LCD projectors. The prices are dropping like a rock. Perhaps for the same money you spend for the overhead platen system, you can get a good used LCD projector from somebody who wants to upgrade BUT MAKE SURE YOU CAN ORDER REPLACEMENT BULBS (and see how much they cost before you commit - they can get exensive!) That's the limit of my DIY knowledge. I tried briefly fussing around with DIY, but just ended up buying and LCD projector. Maybe you should first try Gadgit's triplet lens system - he says he get a good image on the cheep. If that doesn't work, consider the overhead platen system or a good used LCD projector. Good luck! By the way, thanks for the compliment. The reason I don't give my detrators the time of day is that for every person that calls me an a*hole are three or four who say my comments are "well reasoned" and "intelligent". There's no reason for me to let one negative comment should overshadow the lion's share of positive opinions! |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 42 Registered: Dec-03 | If you are having trouble with the link I posted above, scroll up to my Sunday, Sept. 12th 7:01PM post and try the link from there. Also, that post has other ideas of interest as well as the standard fresnel lens tv plans. ALL FOR FREE! |
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Bronze Member Username: Jay_dubLouisiana United States Post Number: 25 Registered: Sep-04 | I tried flipping my tv upside down to get the image right and it started changing colors,so i flipped it back over and the colors are right now.I read on a website that you can flip it over and when it starts to change colors turn the tv off for about 30 minutes and turn it back on and the colors will be right again.Will this work or will it mess up my tv more?If you put your tv on its back will it mess it up? |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 43 Registered: Dec-03 | Hay! I found this GREAT SITE!!!! Check it out for BIG SCREEN projector truth FUN!!!!! (AHEM. Sorry. I couldn't resist.) http://www.fullspeed.co.nz/diyprojector/ |
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Unregistered guest | Can somebody guide me on http://www.lumenlab.com how worthwhile is it to invest in this DIY project. Thanks |
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New member Username: NiscalPost Number: 1 Registered: Oct-04 | I didn't by a projector yet but i found it at max theater . com is that lense also a fresnel lense ? I also have a projection screen, wich reflects very good, and is a 6x lense the same as a 500 mm lense ? I'm from holland so excuse my bad english |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 44 Registered: Dec-03 | This was sent to me privately: *********************** Congratulations! You have received a private message from the following discussion board user: Niscal (message below) I think that most people aren't zo naive to think that everything what the sites say about the projectors is true. And why the hell do you ask yourself why they are lying about it all? They want to make money, so they're promising much more then how it really works, so big deal, the people who believe everything about all this, that people are 'suckers'to use your words, but i think there are more people who know what to expect, and don't believe that the projector works as well as an LCD projector, I just don't get your problem with all this. *********************** MY RESPONSE TO NISCAL: First of all, why single me out? Why was your message sent privately instead of being posted on this board? But, no worry, I've posted your concerns on this forum for you. In answer to your message, in a message board entitled "100 Inch Projection TV For $9, Should I Or Shouldn't I?" you would natrully get the opinions people posting their "problem" with "all this", wouldn't you? Other people post here who have a "problem" with "all this". Are you sending them private messages as well? And why are you bothered by my being bothered? If you don't like my posts, just scroll right by them and don't read 'em. Secondly, just because people can make money from a scam doesn't make it OK. In a board titled "should i or shouldn't i?", isn't it reasonable to expect discussion concerning the truth? Lastly, I don't know you, but I have a sneaking feeling that you are in on this scam. If I'm wrong, I respectfully apologize. But, frankly, who else but one who runs a fresnel lens TV site would have a problem with me exposing this scam for what it is? I'm not going to get into private e-mail conversations on this subject. There's nothing to be said about this that can't be posted on this board for all to see. The implication from your message is that I should just shut up and let people keep getting scammed. All I an say is when my detractors try to shut me up, that means I must be saying something right! Frankly, I'm flattered! Thanks for the message! |
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New member Username: NiscalPost Number: 2 Registered: Oct-04 | Yo Stephen holmes I posted you privatly cause i didn't know how this site worked, that's a good reason isn't it. I don't speak good english because i'm from holland, so if you find it iritating, your problem. You really don't get the meaning of my message i think, but that's probaply my fault. : The only thing i'm trying to say is that you describe the whole scam thing as if it's something new that the people want to make money, that they lie.You're opinion seems to be 'Anybody that GIVES MONEY to these yahoos that run sites like ProjectBig.net, WebTV100inch.com or any of these other sites is a SUCKER' I don't really understand your point, why would you think that people need this kind of information? I definitly don't support the scam sites, don't say that it is right only cause they make money with this, I'm just saying that it's not very hard to figure out that these sites aren't telling the truth. And you seem to think that everybody who 'falls' this is a sucker. Why would everybody think via your logic,: you believe it SO buy it, or you don't believe it So you don't buy it? The implication of my message was and is that I think it's a bit less simple then you describe it, you just put things and people in 'corners' (this is probably not the right word) in wich they may not belong, that's my point. |
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Bronze Member Username: Jay_dubLouisiana United States Post Number: 28 Registered: Sep-04 | I bought one of the projection kits from Max Theater.com,and all it came with is 2 frensel lenses and a cd showing you how to build the projector.It shows you 4 different ways to build it and most of the plans is the ones yall have for free.I bought the projection kit before i came across this website and believe me if I knew what I know now about these projector kits I would Have never even thought of buying one from any of the websites. And yes,I admit that I was suckered out of my money because they didn't even show you any pictures or anything about the projector.I didn't know what to expect when I ordered it b/c I never heared anything about these projectors.It sounded good,175" tv for $16.95,so I bought it and it turned out to be the same cardboard projector kit that you can get the plans for free on some other websites.Now,I agree with Mr. Holmes b/c I wouldn't want anybody else to be suckered out of there money like I was.Yes,I might be the stupid one for buying it but yall can't blame me for being curious.If they would of had pictures showing you what is was and what it looks like then i probaly wouldn't have bought it.All they are doing is just trying to make money off of people. Like Mr. Holmes says, you could go to the store and by a cheap frensel lense and get some cardboard and make the same stuff they are selling to people with the free plans that you could get on alot of websites.So don't get suckered like I did and buy from the scammers b/c all the stuff you need to make this projector is probaly right in your face. |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 45 Registered: Dec-03 | Joe Vogel - I think JayDub just answered your questions. And, no, I'm not irritated by you. Always glad to hear from faraway places like Holland. Now that I read your latest post, I think you and I agree and want the same thing, though the language barrier makes it seem on the surface that we are at odds. No hard feelings, brother! You and I aren't enemies, so no reason for us to argue. The scam sites are the common problem. |
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New member Username: NiscalPost Number: 3 Registered: Oct-04 | Right ! |
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New member Username: NiscalPost Number: 4 Registered: Oct-04 | how come some projectors turn the image upside down and some don't ? |
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Unregistered guest | What kinda projectors are you talking about store bought projectors will invert the image if you want to flip the unit and mount it to the roof some done cause they might be cheeper models. DIY units need two wires swaped inside the tv to invert the image or you could place a mirror in front at a 45deg angle but this can cause distortion of the image |
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Bronze Member Username: Jay_dubLouisiana United States Post Number: 39 Registered: Sep-04 | Do they have projectors that you can hook to the back of your tv with rca jacks? |
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Unregistered guest | 99% of the store bought projectors have RGB, composite or RCA, VGA, Svideo and scrat inputs all the bases are covered you can hook them up to almost and output souce |
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Bronze Member Username: Jay_dubLouisiana United States Post Number: 42 Registered: Sep-04 | Thanks Gadgit,How much does it cost for one? |
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J. Reb Unregistered guest | My dad bought a projection tv system in the early '80s that had a tv with the picture reversed and a large about a 4 inch lense(not a fresnel). It came with a silver curved screen. This system worked great, but still does not compare to projector. Yeah I have tried the old 100" fresnel. I actually got it to work pretty well if you only wanted say a 45 to 50" inch screen and if you wanted to watch in the dark, picture wasn't bad but when you went larger, the larger you went the less light you had which of course goes without saying. Its great for the kids room but other than that go with a projector. |
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Unregistered guest | JayDub you can pick up a second hand LCD projector for under $1000 on ebay I got one here in New Zealand for $350NZD thats just over $200USD J.Reb The lens I am using for my DIY projector is for one of those projectors your dad had the lens is called a Beta II or a Poli4 witch is a triplet lens sony also had one called a vidimagic |
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james bigtvfan Unregistered guest | go to www.thebigesttvinhistoryonemillionfeethightfor4999.com |
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Unregistered guest | hey, i just read the whole fricken thread, and yeh, i'm goina build myself one. would two OHP lenses in a tube(with the box method) work any good with a 21", flat screen t.v.? cause i "DO" know the fresnel ones are basically worthless, from reading everything. and if theres any one else from N.Z. Where do i get one of those silver screens from? (send 'useful' answers to my e-mail)PLEASE. - noddyboy01@hotmail.com - |
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Unregistered guest | hey, if you i guys are interested, i made the www.lumenlab.com projector a few months ago. My results : http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=810 |
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EmNm Unregistered guest | Did anybody try using a lens in a projection TV to do this ?. I am wondering if this will work because the CRT behind the projection TV lens is like a 7" or 9" TV but will produce only one color. Please provide your feedback. Thank you. |
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Unregistered guest | The lenses in most RPTV's are made to be very close to the CRT so unless you use a 7-9" CRT or a small LCD they wont focus any thing bigger. Some RPTV have worked but finding the right one is a little hard if you pull the lens apart sometimes you can use one of the lenses to project if the lens is over 100mm dia has a focal lenght of 350mm and over |
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Unregistered guest | The lenses in most RPTV's are made to be very close to the CRT so unless you use a 7-9" CRT or a small LCD they wont focus any thing bigger. Some RPTV have worked but finding the right one is a little hard if you pull the lens apart sometimes you can use one of the lenses to project if the lens is over 100mm dia has a focal lenght of 350mm and over |
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Bronze Member Username: ForcedinductionPost Number: 24 Registered: Sep-04 | All I have to say is WTF!!! |
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100inch legend Unregistered guest | I bought mine from www.maxtheather.com! and it works a treat! I don't know what u losers are dissing this amazing product! its the Plasma or projector for the masses! you are only envyous that you didn't have the idea of marketing this great invention first! I can only recommend the 100" inch projection TV! Its amazing! essecially when u play games like GTA3 or Doom. its like u r in the game!! I am glad i saved $1000's on buying a plasma cos the 100" inch projection tv is just as good. i saw my mates 42" plasma and when he saw my 100" tv he was well gutted! he said he wished he didn't waste so much money on a shitty plasma! so try it yourself and don't listen to those losers from above!! |
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100inch legend Unregistered guest | I bought mine from www.maxtheather.com! and it works a treat! I don't know what u losers are dissing this amazing product! its the Plasma or projector for the masses! you are only envyous that you didn't have the idea of marketing this great invention first! I can only recommend the 100" inch projection TV! Its amazing! essecially when u play games like GTA3 or Doom. its like u r in the game!! I am glad i saved $1000's on buying a plasma cos the 100" inch projection tv is just as good. i saw my mates 42" plasma and when he saw my 100" tv he was well gutted! he said he wished he didn't waste so much money on a shitty plasma! so try it yourself and don't listen to those losers from above!! |
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chocolatebutterfly Unregistered guest | I just got one of these "lenses" for $50 from ebay. ok it was second hand, and reading the posts from above u'd think i might have been ripped off. but i don't think so, i think i saved myself around $1900! because the picture is so much better than than an lcd secreen! not only is it much bigger, its also so much cheaper! so, do i feel ripped off? NO, i think it was money well spend. i can only recommend it! |
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project4reel Unregistered guest | the fresnel systems for the TV won't work because TV resolution is 800x600. when you blow this resolution up to 100" you will get very grainy picture because of the massive pixel size. there is no way to correct this, it is a problem with the resolution. LCD panels have much much higher resolution and project better, but you need a better back light. www.lumenlab.com worth the money!!! |
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Charles Unregistered guest | it's not the resolution the makes them crappy looking it is the dotpitch of your doner screen be it lcd, plasma, computer monitor, normal old old school tv, ect. That is why a cheap t.v. from walmart doesn't look as good as a more expensive model. |
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jonny mac Unregistered guest | i just want to thank all of u for ur valuable input and different point of views i plan on making my own just fun. ill use most of the info i obtained from my 3 hour session on my comp reading all these remarks thanx |
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Anonymous | Come on guys,havent you got it yet? Big Bear owns the rip off site that he keeps praiseing so loudly. He either owns it or is friends with the folks that do own it. |
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Unregistered guest | 100"legend and chocolatebutterfly are the same person blowing the horn of the site he owns fresnel lenses wont give you good projection images you will only get good images from quality glass lenses. Project4reel have you seen http://groups.msn.com/diyprojectiontv/screenshotsfromtheuhgmk2.msnw these images are made from a 14"tv and a very high gain screen I have great passion for the projector and the lumenlab site has some great LCD projectors but dont think you cant get a good image from a crt |
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New member Username: Reevesm87Macib, Ga U.S. Post Number: 1 Registered: Nov-04 | hey i built my diy projector but the words are backwords does anyone know how to help? |
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dug Unregistered guest | I just recently purchased max theater, thinking this is really a great idea. They charged me $8.00 shipping and handeling for what. An evelope with fresnel lenses that cost $1.29 to ship. I wish i would have found this forum before ordering. It would have saved me a huge dissapointment. Im not going to give up though. If i can find some higher quality lenses im sure it might be worth it. Live and learn I guess. |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 46 Registered: Dec-03 | Don't feel bad, dug. Just speak up with the truth when posters like "100inch legend", "Big Bear" and "chocolatebutterfly" post on this forum spewing their lies and calling people like you "losers" and "whiners". By posting your experience here, you probably saved a dozen or more potential folks from getting ripped off. That, in my opinion, is what this forum is all about - so people can make an informed decisison. If someone wants to go with the fresnel lens system, go for it. But, at least know what you're getting. That said, I did have a look at the LumenLab plans. Found 'em on the internet. Now, I have to admit...THOSE plans appear to be worth the money. With the LumenLab system, you are building a solid, muscular projector with a REAL lens and a good strong light source (instead of an upside-down TV). Their system makes use of a PC LCD flatscreen monitor. You have to invest real effort to build it and spend a nice chunk of change...maybe $400 or so. But, if I didn't already own an LCD projector, I would probably go with the LumenLab plans. I haven't built one of their units, so I have no experience there. Just looked at the plans. So, I can't totally endorse LumenLab. I'm just staying that their plans look like good solid plans. With LumenLab you are going to get more than a flimsy cardboard, duct tape contraption and you will have to drop honest dollars and put in a dedicated effort. |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 47 Registered: Dec-03 | Frankly, I think the Big Bears of this forum expose themselves for what they are by even posting here. My suspicion is that there are basically 4 kinds of people who would be attracted to a forum with the title "100 Inch Projection TV For $9.99? Should I Or Shouldn't I?": 1. Those that want to expose the truth to the unsuspecting after getting ripped off (like dug and myself) 2. Those that are into primarily discussing DIY methods (like Gadgit) 3. Those contemplating building their own DIY projector and want to get some information before making a decision whether to buy a "kit" from the scam sites or from eBay and finally... 4. Those selling these "kits", who figure that this forum is compromising their scam. I figure that's why they have to get on this board with their put-downs and name calling. If I were totally happy with getting a fresnel lens TV system from a scam site, most likely discussing this topic wouldn't even interest me. Or, it sure wouldn't interest me to call people names over it. I would be able to rationally discuss the merits of my position in great detail and with more guided passion than "WORKS GREAT! I LIKE MINE, YOU LOSERS! QUIT WHINING AND GET A LIFE!" This isn't about the dubious merits of fresnel lens TV. If you think it's a good idea, you sure don't need the good opionion of anybody on an internet message board. You are the one who has to watch your cardboard & duct tape contraption, not me! So, go ahead and build it and enjoy it and leave it at that. HOWEVER, the real issue as I see it is about whether patronizing a scam site is worth it. Clicking on the link below will give you the same plans FOR FREE that you can get on eBay or from a scam site. All you have to do is buy a fresnel lens from an office supply store. HOWEVER, if some folks still want to pay somebody $9 for the SAME THING you can get right here with a click of their mouse, I don't see how they can get on this board calling people losers and whiners. In my opinion, whoever elects to hand money to a scammer is the real loser. They shouldn't get on this board putting down people who have better things to do than get scammed. http://www.doesyourroomsuck.com/tvplans.html |
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mjg Unregistered guest | http://www20.tomshardware.com/howto/20041113/index.html WOw. |
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hicountrymedic Unregistered guest | Thank you all for your points of view. I confess, I am in CAT 3 as listed in the thread above. After reading the majority of the posts, I will attempt to build my own LCD projector TV instead of going with the Fresnel lens. Aren't discussion boards great?!?!?! |
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Unregistered guest | Hey I bought a fresnel lens a while back and made my projector... it worked but it sucked... I wanted to try making an lcd projecter with an OHP but I am low on cash and I the lcd screen I have is to an old laptop and and thats all it'll work with. So I wanted to try out some new lenses. where can I get that 150mm triplet lens that Gadjit was talking about. Blakjak521@hotmail.com |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 48 Registered: Dec-03 | Good link from "mjg" above! Overhead projector lcd platten DIY plans for free. Beat THAT, Big Bear, 100inchlegend & chocolatebutterfly! Or do you still maintain that anyone who downloads those and any other free plans from this board is a loser and a whiner? |
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BigBore Unregistered guest | I found an even better way to throw my money away! I just put a cardboard box on my head, shine a flashlight at my neighbor's house, and make GIANT fingerpuppets on his wall! It's, like, a **200*** inch television! In 3D! Stereo 3D, too, which is like 4D! My brother B1FF says I'll make a million dollars selling this on eBay, so shhhhh! don't tell anybody about my Big Sekrit, ok? |
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New member Username: Lohryx5Post Number: 1 Registered: Nov-04 | Where are the plans available for download from this site? I've done a bunch of surfing and most of what I've seen are pretty similar, but also rather dated. This site seems to stay current with what's going on technique wise. I like what I've found out about LCD Projection projects. But right now, I just want to work on a quick and easy project with my sons that they can use with their XBox & PS2, but will produce decent results. Thanks. |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 49 Registered: Dec-03 | John Lohry - Here is a link to the fresnel lens TV plans. Have at it! http://www.doesyourroomsuck.com/tvplans.html |
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New member Username: Lohryx5Post Number: 2 Registered: Nov-04 | Stephen, Thanks. I found that site while surfing for more info one day. Obviously the most basic design, which I'll use for now so my boys can goof around with their PS2 & Xbox. But how good are the results, will the image be clear enough for them to play games like that. Again, it's just for fun for now and until I can collect all the parts for an LCD project. Thanks again |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 50 Registered: Dec-03 | John Lohry - If you scroll up through this thread, you'll see that I have no love for the fresnel lens TV system. The image you get is a joke: it's blurry and faded and you have to have the room in total darkness to even see anything. I am an LCD projector owner and I am more than happy with my 12-1/2 foot wide home theater image. Throughout this thread, we have gone back and forth discussing our opinions regarding the fresnel lens system. However, as I always say, if you must build it than go for it. Just be glad you got the plans for free instead of getting your hopes up thinking you were going to get a sharp, colorful image that's "JUST LIKE IMAX", as the scam ads claim. I'm not against the fresnel lens system in general. But, logically, how can any reasonable person expect to get a good home theater system for a mere $9? I'm only against this scam that's running rampant across the internet. This snake oil deserves to be exposed. A message board entitled "Should I Or Shouldn't I" seems the place to do it. The fresnel lens TV system is NOT "the secret the big screen TV companies don't want you to know". The plans aren't even worth the $9 these yahoos carge. But worse than that, the scam ads are putting false promises on the table. |
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YIDAL Unregistered guest | I HAVE BOUGHT ONE BUT IT WAS CHEAP AND WHEN THERE IS HOPE (THAT IT WLL WORK) THEN THERE IS EXCITMENT AND IF IT DOESNT THE WHO CARES. ANY1 WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD KNOW THAT YOU MAY BE GIVING TO SCAMMERS BUT THATS THE CHOICE WE MAKE FOR AN ADVENTURE LIKE THIS. iF YOU HATE THE SCAMMERS THEN JUST PUT LINKS ON EBAY ADVERTISING INFO FOR FREE AND CHEAPER LENSES, |
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Bronze Member Username: MotleyPost Number: 51 Registered: Dec-03 | Yidal... Uh, it won't work, so how can there be excitement? And if anyone with half a brain knows that you are giving to scammers, why give? Get it for free right here. Then, there won't be an issue. DU-H???!!! http://www.doesyourroomsuck.com/tvplans.html Now, go back to selling your fresnel lenses to suckers and leave this board to broadcast the truth in peace. |
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YIDAL Unregistered guest | ITS LIKE ANYTHING STEVEN HOLMES - I WANT TO TRY IT TO SEE FOR MYSELF - TRY NEW IDEAS THAT IVE SEEN HERE AND JUST HAVE A TINKER TO SEE HOW GOOD A PIC I CAN GET... BUT IM NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING LIKE THE REAL THING OR PROBABLY EVEN CLOSE! IM NO SCAMMER AND HAVE JUST BOUGHT ONE FROM EBAY B4 I READ THIS FORUM - I DIDNT EVEN KNOW OF THE CONCEPT B4 I SAW IT ON EBAY SO I WOULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN THAT I COULD GET IT FREE ON THIS SITE! SO WITH MY HALF A BRAIN I DECIDED THAT I COULDNT CARE LESS IF SOME DUDE IS LIVING THE LIFE OF LUXURY ON MY FEW POUNDS AS I DONT KNOW THEM AND COULNT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT 3 QUID - IF I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THIS LINK WHICH IS WHY I SAID THAT YOU COULD POST YOUR LINK ON EBAY TO THIS SITE FOR OTHERS - FOR SURE I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT FOR FREE. IF YOU THINK THAT MY ONE POST IS du-h???!!!! (VERY MATURE) THEN IMAGINE WHAT MOST THINK OF YOUR ONGOING BATTLE TO SAVE THE WORLD WITH URM....YOURSELF....KEEP UP THE BATTLE AS IM SURE THAT YOU WILL WIN - I'LL RETURN TO THIS FORUM IN A FEW YEARS TIME AND SEE HOW YOUR DOING. FIND THE WORDS STEVEN...FIND THE WORDS AND SAVE YOUR GREAT NATION. |
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