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Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14272 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 20:09 GMT Oregon - Prime
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14273 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 21:10 GMT Liebman/Tarenzi/Benedettini/Arco - Negative Space
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14274 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 22:50 GMT Joe Lovano Us Five - Bird Songs
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14277 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 23:59 GMT Larry Carlton - Sapphire Blue
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14278 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 15, 2011 - 02:41 GMT Brad Mehldau - Largo
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14279 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 15, 2011 - 03:53 GMT The Jazz Crusaders - Lighthouse '68
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14280 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 15, 2011 - 20:24 GMT The Three Sounds - Soul Symphony
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14281 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 15, 2011 - 21:57 GMT The Three Sounds - Elegant Soul Willie Bobo - Bobo Motion
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14282 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 15, 2011 - 22:20 GMT Maria Schneider Orchestra - Days of Wine and Roses
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14284 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 05:41 GMT Dave Brubeck - Brubeck plays Brubeck
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14285 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 16:27 GMT Gretchen Parlato - In a Dream
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14286 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 18:23 GMT Stefon Harris - The Grand Unification Theory
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14287 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 19:46 GMT Tierney Sutton Band - On the Other Side
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14288 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 21:16 GMT Geri Allen - Flying Toward the Sound
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14289 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 22:08 GMT Benny Green & Russell Malone - Jazz at the Bistro
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14290 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 22:46 GMT Christian McBride, Nicholas Payton, Mark Whitfield - Fingerpainting: The Music of Herbie Hancock
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14291 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 23:56 GMT Herbie Hancock/Wayne Shorter/Ron Carter/Wallace Roney/Tony Williams - A Tribute to Miles A Celebration of the Life and Music of Miles Davis
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14292 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 00:57 GMT Herbie Hancock/Michael Brecker/Roy Hargrove - Directions in Music: Celebrating Miles Davis & John Coltrane w/John Patitucci & Brian Blade
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14293 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 02:19 GMT Branford Marsalis Quartet - Braggtown
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14296 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 19:07 GMT Julia Hulsmann Trio - The End of a Summer
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14297 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 20:32 GMT The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Countdown Time in Outer Space
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14298 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 21:24 GMT Poncho Sanchez - Psychedelic Blues
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14300 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 00:56 GMT Jane Monheit - Home
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14301 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 01:08 GMT Pink Martini - Splendor in the Grass
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14305 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 - 01:25 GMT John Beasley - Positootly!
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14306 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 - 01:53 GMT Joe Lovano and Hank Jones - Kids: Live at Dizzy's Club Coca-Cola
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14307 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 - 02:57 GMT Wes Montgomery - Smokin' at the Half Note
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14308 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 - 21:44 GMT Darrell Grant - Truth and Reconciliation
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14310 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 - 23:23 GMT Esperanza Spalding - Junjo
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14311 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 02:00 GMT Gretchen Parlato - The Lost and Found
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14312 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 02:16 GMT Chick Corea, Miroslav Vitous, Roy Haynes - Trio Music Live in Europe
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14316 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 06:36 GMT Milt Hinton - The Judge at His Best The Legendary Chiaroscuro Sessions*1973-1995
Dakulis Gold Member Username: Dakulis Spokane, Washington United States Post Number: 1244 Registered: May-05	Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 06:42 GMT Linda Ronstadt - Greatest Hits Janice Joplin - 12 Top Hits Beatles 2nd album
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14317 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 17:03 GMT Gerry Mulligan/Paul Desmond Quartet
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14318 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 18:13 GMT Gerry Mulligan Meets Johnny Hodges
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14319 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 23:09 GMT Gary Burton/Pat Metheny/Steve Swallow/Antonio Sanchez - Quartet Live
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14320 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 02:01 GMT The Best of Bill Withers: Lean on Me
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14321 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 03:12 GMT Oscar Brown Jr. - Sin & Soul...and then some
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14322 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 03:45 GMT Marlena Shaw - The Spice of Life
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14323 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 04:36 GMT Jerry Butler - The Philadelphia Sessions "The Iceman Cometh", "Ice on Ice" and More
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14324 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 18:08 GMT J.S. Bach Cantatas/Ascension The Monteverdi Choir The English Baroque Soloists John Eliot Gardiner Archiv George Frideric Handel Messiah Arnold Schoenberg Chor Concentus Musicus Wien Nikolaus Harnoncourt Deutsche Harmonia Mundi
Dakulis Gold Member Username: Dakulis Spokane, Washington United States Post Number: 1246 Registered: May-05	Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 18:17 GMT Art, You have way too many CDs my friend, lol. Last night, Holst's - The Planets - non Zeyta version (I have 3 different versions of this); Johnny Cash, Cash Art Meola, Kiss My Axe - Art, to tell you how nice my system is now, I'm not sure if you have heard this on your system but in the 4th cut where there is clapping in the background. The semi-n@ked young lady on the cover is clapping and she is just a millisecond off on every 4th or 5th beat. I could see where her left bre@st, which is slightly larger than her right, kept getting in the way, just a little. LOL Dave
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14325 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 19:19 GMT I have 5 different versions of The Planets, none being the Zubin Mehta. I would have more but I gave 3 to my ex wife when we separated. Listening to Messiah as I type and have 6 versions of this piece. Kinda rotate them through by Holydays! Software baby, that's where it's at! Hopefully you meant Al Di Meola, no I haven't heard it but I have studied the resonance frequency of breasts, by volume...lol!
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14326 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 20:15 GMT Antonio Vivaldi Concertos for Two Violins Viktoria Mullova Giuliano Carmignola Venice Baroque Orchestra Andrea Marcon Archiv
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14327 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Monday, April 25, 2011 - 01:19 GMT Stefano Bollani - Solo Piano
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14328 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Monday, April 25, 2011 - 02:46 GMT Cyrus Chestnut Trio - Journeys
Dakulis Gold Member Username: Dakulis Spokane, Washington United States Post Number: 1249 Registered: May-05	Posted on Monday, April 25, 2011 - 04:30 GMT Art, Yep, I meant Al De Meola and I think your approach works better, although you might want to consider using one of Jan's tweaks occasionally so the resonation is not quite so stable. Linda Eder - Judy Garland Hits Tchaikovsky -Romeo and Juliet Sam Cooke - Night Beat
Dakulis Gold Member Username: Dakulis Spokane, Washington United States Post Number: 1250 Registered: May-05	Posted on Monday, April 25, 2011 - 04:32 GMT Art, Give me a recommendation on the best recording of The Messiah, I have been looking to pick one up or two, if you have to. LOL
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14329 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Monday, April 25, 2011 - 11:38 GMT I recommend going to the Classics Today website and reading reviews. Everyone has a favorite Messiah, best to get a more learned perpective.
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14331 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Monday, April 25, 2011 - 16:00 GMT Actually the best resource, Dave, is he Penguin Guide to Classical Recordings. Gramophone is outstanding as well.
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14334 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 29, 2011 - 01:26 GMT David "Fathead" Newman - Diamondhead
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14335 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 29, 2011 - 01:56 GMT Jeremy Pelt - Men of Honor
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14336 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 29, 2011 - 02:48 GMT Denise Donatelli - What Lies Within
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14337 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 29, 2011 - 03:48 GMT Steve Kuhn Trio w/Joe Lovano - Mostly Coltrane
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14338 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 29, 2011 - 05:08 GMT Metta Quintet - Subway Songs
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14339 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 29, 2011 - 20:56 GMT Keith Jarrett - Shades LP
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14340 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 29, 2011 - 22:02 GMT Keith Jarrett - Arbor Zena
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14341 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 29, 2011 - 22:44 GMT Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Crystal Silence
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14343 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, April 29, 2011 - 23:53 GMT Pat Metheny Group - First Circle
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14344 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 00:55 GMT Pat Metheny w/Charlie Haden & Billy Higgins - Rejoicing
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14345 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 01:41 GMT Jim Rotondi Sextet - Excursions
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14347 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 03:47 GMT Chet Baker - My Funny Valentine
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14348 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 18:47 GMT George Benson - White Rabbit
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14349 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 21:56 GMT Ben Allison - Peace Pipe
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14350 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 22:18 GMT Ben Allison & Medicine Wheel - Buzz
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14351 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 23:15 GMT Kurt Elling - This Time It's Love
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14352 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 23:58 GMT Keith Jarrett - Mysteries
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14353 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 03:14 GMT The Chick Corea Elektric Band
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14354 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 04:06 GMT Pat Metheny - Watercolors
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14355 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 05:05 GMT Chick Corea/Gary Burton - Lyric Suite for Sextet
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14357 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2011 - 02:33 GMT Tom Harrell - Sail Away LP
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14358 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, May 06, 2011 - 05:32 GMT Darrell Grant - Truth and Reconciliation
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14363 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, May 06, 2011 - 22:37 GMT The Horace Silver Quintet - Finger Poppin'
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14364 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, May 06, 2011 - 22:55 GMT Lee Morgan - The Procrastinator
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14365 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 00:07 GMT Gil Scott-Heron - The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14367 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 00:39 GMT Charles Lloyd - Mirror
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14368 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 01:55 GMT Keith Jarrett - Shades
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14369 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 02:48 GMT Keith Jarrett - Mysteries
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14370 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 04:04 GMT Marcin Wasilewski Trio - Faithful
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14372 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 20:31 GMT Pinetop Perkins & Willie "Big Eyes" Smith - Joined at the Hip Ben Allison - Peace Pipe
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14373 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 21:18 GMT Ben Allison & Medicine Wheel - Buzz
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14374 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 22:02 GMT Avishai Cohen Trio - Gently Disturbed
superjazzyJa(me)s Gold Member Username: Superjazzyjames Post Number: 1343 Registered: Oct-10	Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 04:05 GMT Watchin' Buddy Rich, "Channel One Suite" on dvd.
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14376 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 06:23 GMT Stefon Harris - The Grand Unification Theory
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14379 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 01:00 GMT Gallery Milt Jackson - Olinga
Paul Larrea Diamond Member Username: Wingmanalive Www.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 24696 Registered: Jun-06	Posted on Monday, May 09, 2011 - 03:37 GMT Jane Wiedlin, Rush hour. For the time a good song.
Andre Money (---None of it?) Gold Member Username: Arande2 Rattle your ... Missouri Post Number: 3044 Registered: Dec-06	Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 22:17 GMT @Superjazzyjames That's a great DVD Down - Hail The Leaf Metallica - The End of the Line Decapitated - Spheres of Madness Daft Punk - The Game Has Changed Paul Revere and The Raiders - Indian Reservation Black Label Society - Spoke In The Wheel Much more Some bass tracks too. I particularly like bass-oriented music when I'm sick because it greatly reduces my ability to hear deep bass. For example, I cranked it up to where everything in the room shifted with each beat, and while it was very visceral, the bass was barely audible. As an experiment, I got close to the driver, and sure enough the bass was pretty loud then.
Shirleytweax New member Username: Shirleytweax Post Number: 7 Registered: May-11	Posted on Friday, May 13, 2011 - 00:12 GMT Watchin' a live jazz show on San Antonio's river walk! I agree about the buddy rich dvd andre! I have that one too!
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14381 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, May 13, 2011 - 04:37 GMT Darrell Grant - Truth and Reconciliation Ambrose Akinmusire - When the Heart Emerges Glistening Chick Corea - My Spanish Heart McCoy Tyner - Focal Point
Shirleytweax New member Username: Shirleytweax Post Number: 8 Registered: May-11	Posted on Friday, May 13, 2011 - 12:18 GMT This morning: Haydn's 103rd symphony (drumroll), Miles Davis-Sketches of spain and Metallica-kill em all! In that order.
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14382 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Friday, May 13, 2011 - 23:01 GMT Cal Tjader - Soul Burst Chico Freeman - The Outside Within
superjazzyJa(me)s Gold Member Username: Superjazzyjames Post Number: 1346 Registered: Oct-10	Posted on Friday, May 13, 2011 - 23:11 GMT You like Buddy Rich Andre? With what you list here, you & Shirley could be good friends. She's about as eclectic as they come!
superjazzyJa(me)s Gold Member Username: Superjazzyjames Post Number: 1348 Registered: Oct-10	Posted on Friday, May 13, 2011 - 23:51 GMT "Cookin' With the Miles Davis Quintet"
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14383 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 01:33 GMT Chico Freeman - Peaceful Heart, Gentle Spirit
Paul Larrea Diamond Member Username: Wingmanalive Www.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 24709 Registered: Jun-06	Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 01:53 GMT Got a bit nostalgic for the disco era tonight. This compilation has a great set of tunes from that time. Raise em if you got em.
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14384 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 02:15 GMT McCoy Tyner - Sama Layuca
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14385 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 03:51 GMT Chico Freeman - Destiny's Dance
Art Platinum Member Username: Artk Albany, Oregon USA Post Number: 14386 Registered: Feb-05	Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2011 - 23:57 GMT Red Garland Trio - All Kinds of Weather
Stu Pitt Gold Member Username: Stu_pitt Stamford, Connecticut USA Post Number: 4411 Registered: May-05	Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2011 - 03:09 GMT Beastie Boys - Hot Sauce Committee Part Two Maroon 5 - Songs About Jane The new Beasties album is pretty good. Reminds me of their older stuff. The Maroon 5 album is great. Best newer album from start to finish I've heard in a very long time.
Paul Larrea Diamond Member Username: Wingmanalive Www.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 24718 Registered: Jun-06	Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2011 - 03:21 GMT No tunes tonight. Rumbling hum of the clothes dryer and fan of the dehumidifier. (We've had a bit of rain today with promise of more to come.) Thinking of some Matchbox 20 but it may be a tad late for that.

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