Archive through December 21, 2009
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10873 Registered: Feb-05 | Good to skip the Aperions, they really aren't in the same league. If you like the sound of the RS 6 then you should move in that direction. The Naim XS is fabulous and at less bucks so is the Nait. I really just hope we get to see you enjoying music with your system. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 342 Registered: Dec-06 | Well the Evo2's just didn't work out for me, Art. This time around I will be sure to either do an in home demo or lug around my gear to a couple of dealers to listen through that. I consider it a lesson learned. I do like the RS6, but I didn't hear it at home through my gear. So it's still a bit of a crapshoot, isn't it? I don't think I want towers (though I'm not 100% convinced of that yet). With towers I'm worried about a dog smacking around that bottom woofer with a tail or giving it a few licks! No dog now, but I'm sure I'll have a dog or two in the future. Then there is the belief (which I have read numerous times) that a bookshelf speaker produces better SQ and better imaging, like the large enclosure necessitates some compromise. I guess this is generally speaking, and surely some designs are better than others. I think I've heard this, like a tower sounds a little more boxed in than a bookshelf speaker If it's bookshelf speakers for me then I'll wait for the RX2 rather than buy the RS2. I definitely need to hear that speaker. Aperion seems to have a lot going for them (phenomenal customer service, 10 year warranty, upgrade program, incredible build quaity), and by most accounts they make really good speakers. Have you heard a pair before? The one concern with the 6B was the sensitivity. 82db! I never saw a figure that low. $700 for the 6B from an Internet direct company, one would hope they'd favorably compare to a speaker like the Studio 20 or at the very least the Monitor Audio RS2. I still may give them a shot as there is little risk involved. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 344 Registered: Dec-06 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankharveyhifi/ Lots of pretty pictures! |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13702 Registered: Dec-04 | Stands! http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/145128-atacama_nexus_10_speaker_stands/ http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/145080-paradigm__premier__spk_stands_s26_ _26_/ http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/144749-target_16_steel_speaker_stands/ |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10875 Registered: Feb-05 | Aperions speakers have improved alot over the last few years but aren't in the same league with the Studio 20's or MA's IMO. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13703 Registered: Dec-04 | I didn't see the 82db spec, but that's a lot of amp to overcome. Think Bryston, Classe, and other expensive options. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 345 Registered: Dec-06 | I asked, they seem to think you can get by with less than that. For HT, a Marantz 8002 is recommended, but you can get away with a 6002 or 7002. I would guess the YBA could out do all of them. The impedence curve I believe isn't that bad, I guess you just need juice to get them to play loud. Ovation Audio had a really nice pair of stands, that looked like these. http://www.vanptc.com/products16-51-8/BookshelfSeries I don't think they were the same though. Wish I could remember what they were called. They had a nice semi gloss finish, same base as the ones pictured, and the pillar itself was in the shape of a triangle and fillable. I might end up with them, but I'm going to need to see the Target stand in person first. |
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Gold Member Username: SoundgameToronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1034 Registered: Jun-08 | Hey Dan, could you let me know or drop me a PM on the dealer that's selling the RS6 at $1000. I've been looking into a pair for sometime - was it Ovation by chance? Do you get your PM's? I sent you one a week or so back - no response. We live pretty close together I believe. I'm in Scarborough. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyFort Hamilton, NY United States Post Number: 2986 Registered: Oct-04 | MA RS6 for $875/pr.+$70 s&h http://www.digitalcraze.com/Details.asp?Source=Froogle&ProductID=3226 |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 349 Registered: Dec-06 | Hi George, PM sent. Sorry, didn't check that email address for the past week. I should probably move my ecoustics login to one that I check more often. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 96 Registered: Apr-07 | http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?intatran&1260198936 Just came across that, wondering how you guys think it'd be with the Evos? I'm not really sure how to interpret the review on TNT ( http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/cambridge-a500_e.html ) which makes it sound underwhelming until the end where he says it's a good budget minded unit. I know none of you can make the decision for me, but I'm just wondering if it's worth looking into further or I should pass on it. The price seems right for me though. Also, the guy is pretty local to me, so I could probably go listen to it before making a decision, but I have no idea how the speakers he mentioned in the posting sound compared to what I have (and I'm guessing not very close at all). |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 355 Registered: Dec-06 | Nice looking amp. Most people say Cambridge is a little bright. I've got only a little experience with their gear, heard a Cambridge amp at my local dealer with Monitor Audio RS6 speakers, which are considered a little bright too. But they were very nice together. Unfortunately, I don't think it's easy to determine how different gear will sound together until you actually hear it for yourself. There was no reason to think Arcam/YBA/Wharfedale wouldn't work for me, but it definitely did not. Come to think of it, I read WhatHiFi's forums occasionally, and I'm pretty sure they often recommend matching Wharfedale and CA. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 97 Registered: Apr-07 | Really, bright? When I was looking for an amp for my Cambridge Soundworks speakers (right before I bought the Wharfies instead) the dealer I spoke to said NAD would probably be better than CA because of CA being on the warm side as the CSW speakers are. I guess you're right...probably not going to get much useful information unless I hear it for myself. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 356 Registered: Dec-06 | Most people say NAD gear tends to be warm. The TNT review did say the CA was on the warm side, so perhaps that particular unit was. Maybe the brightness is a relatively new sound for CA. I'm not sure. But ultimately what you hear is going to be the various components working together, so I'm not sure that it matters much what each is purported to sound like. I had an interesting discussion in a thread I started recently about this theory in the CD player section. Like you said, the common advice is to match warm with bright, not warm with warm. But some folks here (and I'm sure elsewhere) believe you should decide what sound you want and then get gear that gives you that sound. I'll quote Neil Waterman from that thread, he said it better than I can: I agree with Chris. I would not try and offset one characteristic by choosing a component that opposes that characteristic. If you have a "smooth, refined" sound, don't pair that up with something that is its opposite or you could wind up with not much of either and be sorely disappointed. You are trying to achieve synergy, not polar opposites. It is always good to know the designer's perspective and what they have successfully paired with their equipment. It is almost always components that compliment the qualities, not oppose them. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 98 Registered: Apr-07 | That makes sense Dan. I guess the natural instinct is to try and "balance" by contrasting components, but I can see how that could cause issues with not getting the intended sound signature of what you're using and you yourself missing out on the sound you're after. Anyway I sent that guy an email asking if I could see it in person and I may even ask if I could bring my speakers to try with it....Hopefully it will work well. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyFort Hamilton, NY United States Post Number: 3010 Registered: Oct-04 | I have a question. Would I truly be bi-amping my EVO2 if I were to hook them up to my HK3485 A/B speaker outputs? Aren't these outputs drawing current from the same power supply? My brain tells me this is not true bi-amping, but might there be any benefit or risk from trying this out? |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 99 Registered: Apr-07 | I passed on the amp....Probably for a reason most would consider dumb, but I realized how dependent I am on the remote last night. Even if it were to have one, TNT says it only controls volume, and I really need input switching. Oh well, I'll find something else I'm sure... |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10913 Registered: Feb-05 | I don't have a remote in my main system and don't miss it a bit. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 100 Registered: Apr-07 | Yeah, like I said I know some of you do fine without it, but last night I really thought about how my system is used normally, and I just think it's something I need. I do a lot of listening late at night so I really need to be able to change volume quickly so I don't disturb others, and I also generally go from TV to music to sleep to. I guess it seems lazy, but I don't think it's practical in my situation to go without one. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 361 Registered: Dec-06 | Remotes are extremely convenient. I would definitely want one. I need to control volume and CD playback buttons, tuner stations, but that's about it. Input switching on my system I have to do manually, I don't think those buttons are on my YBA remote. But that's okay since I generally don't do it often. I bought a Sony universal remote however, because right now I've just got too many remotes (amp, CDP, tuner). I prefer using one remote to control all components. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10945 Registered: Feb-05 | I should clarify, I don't have a remote for my amp in the main system and don't miss it. I do have a remote for the office system amp and it's collecting dust. I like one for the cd player and definitely in the HT. Don't need it for music. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10988 Registered: Feb-05 | Took the Evo's out of the HT and put 'em back in the office and they really are a wonderful speaker. Matched up with the Apollo and the Creek 4330 they really sing. I was hoping to hear the harshness that Dan talked about, it's been a few weeks since I listened to them...nope...just wonderful music. Dan's must be defective....or something. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 367 Registered: Dec-06 | Well there could be any number of reasons for it. Another person on the WhatHiFi forum had the same impression as I did of the Evo. Maybe it's the matching equipment, maybe it's the room, maybe our hearing is more sensitive to this one small frequency range that the Evo2 puts out louder than other speakers I've heard; who knows? I just know that it's not worth any more effort to try to like this speaker and so I am moving on. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11005 Registered: Feb-05 | I read that WhatHiFi forum excerpt, wasn't very informative. Many more forum excerpts supporting their quality. No need to get defensive Dan. I wouldn't want you to put in any more effort on the Evo's. In fact I've begged you not to several times...lol! If you sell the Evo's you do owe the buyer either a caveat that there may be an issue with the speaker or an attempt to have it repaired. I had a seller send me a pair of Diamond 9.1's that needed repair, man was it difficult to get him to do the right thing. I was enjoyng some Miles Davis this morning prior to work, and the Evo's balance was very nice. The fella on the WhatHiFi forum referrred to the poor quality of the tweeter, and that's what so many have pointed to as a strong suit on the Diamond 9.1..seems odd, though not inconceivable, that they would have a lesser tweeter in the Evo2's. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 368 Registered: Dec-06 | No worries Art, I don't mean to sound defensive. I realize that most experiences with the speaker are positive. The WhatHiFi thing is simply an example of one guy who had the same experience as I did. It just sort of shows me that maybe I'm not crazy  ,maybe this speaker does actually sound like this given certain conditions. No worries about selling it, I've got a conscience! It's just not in my makeup to scam someone. I've already taken the speaker to that one repair shop I spoke of, because I was in the area and they don't charge anything unless they work on it. The speakers were hooked up and they couldn't detect anything wrong. I haven't tried them with my Saturn yet, will do so hopefully this coming weekend. This whole experience taught me what a joke IAG are though. I will never buy anything from them until they fix their reputation. From all the comments on how unresponsive they are, to their cr@ppy grill pegs on a $1,000 speaker, to their literature filled with outdated phone numbers, to all the audiophiles who think they are ruining brands like Wharfedale and Castle. I guess the Evo2 is a great deal though, if you get the sound that you were hoping for. For me it was just one thing after the next, and eventually I simply felt it was time to cut my losses. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyFort Hamilton, NY United States Post Number: 3033 Registered: Oct-04 | "The fella on the WhatHiFi forum referrred to the poor quality of the tweeter, and that's what so many have pointed to as a strong suit on the Diamond 9.1..seems odd, though not inconceivable, that they would have a lesser tweeter in the Evo2's." Well the same might be said for the Infinity Beta & Primus, and you seemed to prefer the Primus from what I recall, so I'm going to say that as prices increase, so does quality, perhaps not the the degree one might always expect, but components & finish should be better, sound on the other hand... |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11006 Registered: Feb-05 | Fortunately I haven't had to deal with IAG although I had similar experiences with Sumiko. Mike at STO was fair and responsive for me, so I would buy from him again if I were in the market for a budget product. I would never buy hi-end from him as I want to audition that level of product in home and I have a fabulous dealer in Eugene HiFi. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11007 Registered: Feb-05 | Sorry Chris, I didn't see your post. I don't think I liked the tweeter any better in the Primus and in fact it became tiresome quickly. In the end I determined that I couldn't live with either. The Beta being one of the least musical speakers I've auditioned lately and the Primus being a bit too mechanical and tiring...not natural sounding. I lived with them in my office for awhile and just couldn't warm up to them like I had hoped. Were I forced to pick one to live with for a year I would probably pick the Beta because it was a bit warmer and less fatigueing. However I would have to think about it for awhile. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyFort Hamilton, NY United States Post Number: 3034 Registered: Oct-04 | Thanks for the follow-up, my Betas are back in-house, my Bro's decided he liked the look of the Insignia NS-B2111 (they are good looking), the sound is good enough...and it is. Given the fact that the Betas resale value is something close zilch, I'll find a box & stash them away for a rainy day, they will find a good home with an appreciative owner...maybe even this one. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11008 Registered: Feb-05 | Good idea Chris. I'm puttin' my Epos ELS3's in their box and puttin' em in the closet. Just can't let go of the little fella's. |
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Gold Member Username: SoundgameToronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1048 Registered: Jun-08 | Art, I'm enjoying the Els3's I recently purchased. They sound great with string instruments. Very decent detail and a good midrange. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11009 Registered: Feb-05 | They are an excellent little speaker. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyFort Hamilton, NY United States Post Number: 3052 Registered: Oct-04 | Just picked off a new pair of discontinued Sanus Designer Foundations 24" stands on eBay for $49; these are very similar to the Ultimate Foundation Series, having a single large pillar rather than three smaller pillars. I'll be pairing them with the EVOs & reporting back ASAP. http://www.buy.com/prod/sanus-systems-df24-designer-foundations-fixed-height-spe aker-stands-24/q/loc/111/90108938.html |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11223 Registered: Feb-05 | Looks nice Chris. Looking forward to reading your impressions. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 385 Registered: Dec-06 | I tried the Evo2's with my Saturn for the first time. It's been a while since I've had them hooked up. I don't know if it was the long break, or the Saturn, but I came away feeling pretty good about them. I doubt I'll keep them because they don't blow me away the way the PMC did (which is the sound I am after now), but in going from my Tannoy F2 to the Evo2-10 the improvement was pretty clear. The speakers just didn't seem as harsh as what I felt I heard before. It's pretty weird, I don't know how to explain it. Most songs I played sounded great. A few sounded bright. I think it's the CD's themselves, not the speakers. Though a speaker like the PMC really tames that brightness, whereas the Evo2-10 does not. For the last 24 hours I've really mulled over keeping them (for HT, not for audio only). Still debating it. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzGold CoastAustralia Post Number: 2637 Registered: Nov-05 | If the PMC tames a brightness (of cd origin) that others do not, then I would be disappointed with PMC. To me that description tells me that PMC may color the sound somewhat. I have only had a brief listen to PMC with a Marantz reciever in a badly set up room full of noise at a big store. However your description of them is not what I heard or have read about them. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 386 Registered: Dec-06 | When PMC introduced the i series they also started using a new tweeter made by SEAS, which they describe as silky smooth. I have to agree with them, as I have never heard such a sweet sounding high end as on the TB2i. I have not heard PMC speakers prior to the i series, but those who have say that the speakers tended to be on the harsh side of things. I believe that PMC used to employ metal tweeters, which might account for that. Does PMC tame the brightness, or just not exacerbate it? I'm not sure. All I know is I don't enjoy speakers where the treble overpowers the mids and bass, but prefer it to be integrated where it is there and it is clear but at the same time doesn't draw attention to itself. To me this is how treble should be. The one measurement I've seen with PMC speakers (the new i series) was in a home theater mag and the measurements were quite flat. Here it is: http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorloudspeakers/406pmc/index2.html As far as I know this is how PMC typically measures. Of course, we know that many speaker brands will emphasize the highs and lows as it creates a more exciting sound, but if the tweeter is not of exceptional quality then I figure that kind of speaker runs the risk of having a shrill upper end. This is probably good for certain kinds of music, but generally speaking I don't think rock is one of them. I guess I've gained a new appreciation for the Evo2-10. I chalk up the harshness that I don't like to some of the discs that I have. I think the Rega has tamed a lot of that but it can't perform miracles. The discs that aren't bright sound amazing on these speakers; well balanced with great detail, dynamics, and poise. I'll be a little disappointed to see them go, frankly in the cherry finish it is one of the best looking speakers I have ever seen. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11227 Registered: Feb-05 | How much did you say the PMC's cost? |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 387 Registered: Dec-06 | $2,500 Cdn. Yes I know, you can't compare that to the Evo2. But then again, you kind of can. It shows you what you can get for the money, and then it's up to you whether you want shell out the cash. I think this is eventually how it works if you allow yourself to get wrapped up in audio. Ultimately you will begin to compare entry level with one level up, and then that level with another level or two higher. I have no right to expect the Evo2 to better the PMC, but it's certainly valid to compare the two. Thankfully, I can't ever see myself spending more than $2,500 for a pair of speakers, and hopefully I'll be able to find the sound I want for less money than what PMC asks for. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11228 Registered: Feb-05 | Have you considered Magico's. They're only 30k...why not compare them...shows what you can get for your money. If one comparison is valid then why not the other?Still makes no sense to me. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyFort Hamilton, NY United States Post Number: 3054 Registered: Oct-04 | Sure you can compare the two, it wouldn't be a fair fight, however, fights don't always turn out as expected. Can you spend your way to better sound, Yes; but expensive does not always a better speaker make. In the 2-way bookshelf category, past a certain point, let's say somewhere near the $1,500 range, one begins to experience deminishing returns at an expotential rate, IMHO, so a comparison between a ~$1,500 2-way and a $15,000 2-way might yeild some surprising results. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11229 Registered: Feb-05 | I'm not sure how we measure where the diminishing returns start. I know that the difference between the DeVore Gibbon 3XL and any $2000 monitor I've ever heard is huge. The 3XL does nearly everything better than anything I've heard at anywhere near it's price. The Evo2-10's are fun but not in the same universe as the 3XL and one would hope the PMC's at their asking price. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 389 Registered: Dec-06 | Have you considered Magico's. They're only 30k...why not compare them...shows what you can get for your money. If one comparison is valid then why not the other?Still makes no sense to me. Art, I'm guessing you compared the DeVore to your old Rega speakers. If to your ears they didn't better the R5 then you wouldn't have spent the extra money, right? I've read where you've compared the Saturn to the Apollo. Is that a fair comparison? Well yes, because if the improvement wasn't apparent you wouldn't have spent the money. I'm not saying you compare a $900 speaker like the Evo2 with a speaker that costs $2,500 and expect it to somehow match the more expensive speaker in sound. But you have to compare the two if you are interested in moving up to the higher price bracket. You have to determine what the extra money will get you, only then will you know if it's worth spending it. Doing this comparison is like comparing a Ford Fusion or a Honda Accord with a BMW 3 series or Audi A4. It's a level or two up but not a ridiculous comparison. You wouldn't compare a Hyundai Elantra with a BMW 7 series or an Aston Martin. Likewise, you wouldn't compare the Evo2 to a speaker costing $30,000. No one in the market for a $900 speaker will also consider jumping up to something costing $30K. But someone in the market for a $900 speaker may also consider a speaker costing $500 or $,1000 more, making the comparison logical. Really, magazine reviews compare components at different price points all the time. It's the only way you'll know what an extra investment will yield. No one is expecting the cheaper component to outperform the more expensive one. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11230 Registered: Feb-05 | A comparison yes, however, I don't expect similar performance from the lesser product. The Apollo and Saturn for instance have been compared by many mags and independent reviewers. The aim appears to be to determine if the extra money is worth spending. In a way you've made my point relative to the Magico speakers. If you don't intend to buy the PMC's because they are too expensive then what's the point. Why not compare Magico's and just about any other world class speaker that's outside of your budget. My point is that there are many speakers at multiples of the price of the Evo2-10's that are far better. Just as there are many cars at multiples of the price of a Ford Escort that better it. So what's the point... So why not compare some speakers that are within the same range as the Wharfedales. Comparisons are not a bad thing by themselves. I just don't get the reasons why you don't compare like to like...the validity relative to buying a decision might be easier to understand. Yeah I did compare the DeVore's to the R5's, check my profile. If you really are taken with the PMC's then I don't understand why you don't buy them and be done with it. I'm guessing that they come up used from time to time...keep your eyes open and you might snag a pair. Also, if you can afford to buy new, can you take them home again for another audition. Why not give 'em another run? Your system has changed. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 390 Registered: Dec-06 | In a way you've made my point relative to the Magico speakers. If you don't intend to buy the PMC's because they are too expensive then what's the point. But I am willing to buy the PMC's. They are on a list of 8 speakers I am considering and they are the most expensive one. If I like one of the other 7 as much as I like the TB2i then I may end up with that, if not then I will gladly buy the PMC. I may buy the PMC anyway. I'm considering speakers ranging up to $2,500, so I feel that comparing speakers ranging from $800 (the cheapest on the list) right up to $2,500 is valid. After all, it's my money and it will be going towards one of them. I'm not expecting the cheapest to equal the quality of the PMC, it's more about determining whether the PMC or one of the other relatively expensive speakers is superior enough to warrant the extra money; or whether one of the cheaper options comes close enough to satisfy my needs. Anyways, whether I buy my final speaker now or not, I feel the Evo2-10 is likely on the way out. I do like it but I've heard other speakers at the same price point that I prefer. I'm considering one of those now. I'll let you guys know what I ultimately decide, it's not really for this thread anymore. With my post yesterday I just wanted to say that I did find some enjoyment with the Evo2's that I didn't get early on, and I'll have them for at least another few weeks and will put some more hours on them. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11231 Registered: Feb-05 | We've heard alot about you not liking the Evo2-10, and alot about you likng the PMC's. What we haven't heard, at least to my knowledge correct me if I'm wrong, is any information about these other speakers you like better at the same price point. That would be a welcome addition to this or any other thread comparing like to like. What are they and what do you like about them? |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 391 Registered: Dec-06 | Well yes, you are right Art, and I didn't intend for this to become about PMC. I think I made some pretty clear points regarding comparisons and was challenged on those, so I responded. And I didn't mean to harp so much about how bad the Evo2 is over these past few months. It's not. Like I said, I've concluded that it's simply down to some of the CDs that I often listen to, and also the gear I had, though I had other issues with it as well as you know...it became a long and drawn out thing working through that. Well recorded CDs sound excellent on the Evo2 right now. It's not the speaker's fault that a lot of albums sound bright. And the Rega CDP makes a big difference...again, not an Evo2 problem. I'm considering quite a lot of speakers, some of which are listed in the thread I created in the CDP forum though I've added a few. In the Evo2 price range I'm looking at the B&W 685 under it, Monitor Audio RS/RX series at about the same price, and the Paradigm Studio 20 just above it. Will report on how that goes elsewhere, I'll leave this thread to the Evo2 now and those who want to talk about it. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11232 Registered: Feb-05 | I'll be interested in your impressions when you audition them. You haven't as yet, correct? |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 392 Registered: Dec-06 | The only ones on my list that I've heard so far are the PMC and the Monitor Audio. I think I prefer the Monitor Audio line to the Wharfedale, and there are some good deals on the old RS series that I am kind of warming up to lately. Heard the RS6 twice, I enjoyed it both times. At a dealer with other equipment, so the usual caveats apply I guess. They have a reputation for being bright, but I didn't find them so (neither did Stereophile, I pretty much concur with their view on the speaker). I'm not sure I gave you my full list. I'm considering these, in approximate order of cost: B&W 685, Monitor Audio RX2 (or the older silver line), Paradigm Studio 20, ProAc Studio 110, Tannoy Revolution Signature DC6, Totem Sttaf, Dynaudio Focus 140, and the PMC TB2i. Will let you guys know what I think after I audition all of these in the coming weeks. By the way, I don't really think of Evo2-10 as a $350, entry level speaker, simply because STO can sell it that cheap. MSRP is about $900, right? That's why I view it as competing with the MA Silver series. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11233 Registered: Feb-05 | I owned the ProAc Studio 110, Totem Rainmaker, B&W 610i and Paradigm Studio 20v1, v2, v3, all very good speakers in their own right. If everything were right the ProAc's would have been the best of the bunch. With mismatched electronics it can unforgiveing and bright. The ProAc Studio series was voiced with Audio Research tube gear. The Evo2-10 is not really a 900.00 speaker. Only one dealer has ever gotten away with selling them for more than $460 and they aren't doing a brisk business in Wharfie sales. I think it's still fair to compare them MA RS series as well as the 600 series B&W's. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 393 Registered: Dec-06 | There is only one Wharfedale dealer I know of in my area, I think they go for $799 there right now. Which equates to about $699US, going by historical exchange rates. This is actually what Wild West is selling them for right now. I'm surprised they haven't lowered the price. Maybe this is the dealer you are referring to, Art. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11234 Registered: Feb-05 | That is the dealer I'm referring to, Dan. Here in the US, Wild West is the only dealer I know of above the $460 mark. I think the Evo2-10's compete favorably with speakers in $600-800 range. They may not always "win" a shootout but they'll be in the running. |
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Silver Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 116 Registered: Apr-07 | AYSE had them for $800-900 back when their site was up, if I remember correctly. Edit: Just found a Google cache snapshot of their site. $809 on August 27th of this year. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11235 Registered: Feb-05 | Probably why their site ain't up... |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 304 Registered: Jan-09 | Lovin my Wharfies! Been moving them around some lately. I think I will get two more bass traps for my room too. I am always open to trying out new speakers. I plan on buying the HRT+ and possibly the MdHT Red Devil USB cable before I do anything different with speakers. Mine are finally broken in as are my new anti-IC's and cables. I've reallty been just enjoying the music lately. I would still like to try out a pair of the NHT Classic 3's someday. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 316 Registered: Jan-09 | Needs some advice. I am considering adding an amplifier to my system. The Emotiva Audio UPA-2 Two Channel Power Amplifier is on sale right now for $250 plus shipping. Is this a good match for my NAD and Wharfies? Any other amp recommendations? |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11447 Registered: Feb-05 | I wouldn't buy anything from Emotiva...period. Others opinions may vary. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 416 Registered: Dec-06 | I really don't know much about Emotiva. Are you using a NAD preamp or integrated? Why not look at the NAD C272 or C275? I've bought a couple of things from Saturday Audio, no problems whatsoever. On sale, though not as cheap as the Emotiva: http://www.saturdayaudio.com/picturepages/all_nad_specials.htm |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 3382 Registered: Feb-07 | Don't get me started. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11449 Registered: Feb-05 | Doggonit, David and we were hopin' to hear from you on this one...lol! |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 317 Registered: Jan-09 | Dan, I have the NAD C325BEE. That is a good recommendation. I bought mine from Saturdayaudio thanks to Art's advice. I guess it makes more sense to stay with NAD. I will start looking for a used C272 or 275. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 3384 Registered: Feb-07 | Lol! Sorry to disappoint you. I'm in a good mood today. I couldn't help myself.... check it out: https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/594822.html |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 417 Registered: Dec-06 | If you like the C325BEE then my first instinct is to stay with NAD. I feel the same brand will at least give you some assurance of consistent and synergistic sound. Other brands could too, but it may or may not work out, whereas with NAD there should be some degree of certainty. Maybe the 275 would be the best fit, given it is within the same update as the 325. |
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Silver Member Username: HawkbillyNova Scotia Canada Post Number: 750 Registered: Jul-07 | Synergy is certainly critical, but there isn't a guarantee that a single brand will yield the best result. Some brands excel in one area and not so much another, so blindly staying with a single brand without understanding where their strengths are isn't always the answer IMO. If you understand why a preamp mates well with an amp, or why a cdp might thrive with a pre-amp/amp, then you can still get wonderful results without going to a single brand solution. Neither is right or wrong, but my point is to exclude neither based on a preconception. The proof is always in the listening. |
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Bronze Member Username: DaltreyPost Number: 16 Registered: Aug-09 | Emotiva to me is similar to AV123 products as they were one in the same company in origin.They offer very good value for their price range.I have owned an xpa-2 and it's excellent for the money.Personally I sold a new pair of Evo2-10's after 2 months I didn't care for them using them with YBA and then Marantz gear.The AV123 encore x-cs speakers are better sounding.I bought 1 of their x-cs encore centers for a 2nd system and it compares to $500-$700 centers.I don't know if their gear is great for critical listening but for home theater it's tough to beat for price performance ratio. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11475 Registered: Feb-05 | Good grief, it's an internet direct invasion. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 3402 Registered: Feb-07 | Once google indexes "Emotiva" on the forum, they will descend. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11477 Registered: Feb-05 | You mean ascend, don't you David...lol! |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 422 Registered: Dec-06 | Some brands excel in one area and not so much another, so blindly staying with a single brand without understanding where their strengths are isn't always the answer IMO. Chris, I think we've talked about this before. What would you do with a brand that excels in one area but not another? Your sentence above suggests that you'd match it with a component that excels where the first one does not, hoping to get the best of both worlds. But I'm not sure if you'd actually do that, as I seem to recall you said that you'd match components that have the same strengths. Otherwise, if you match bass heavy NAD with a component that excels in the highs you may actually bring out the weaknesses in both gear and get not much of either strength. To my mind, sticking with one brand should at least give you some assurance that the strengths of one will build on the strengths of the other and you should get a pretty nice result because the components will play nice. They were designed with that in mind most likely. Especially if they are gear that was specifically designed with another piece of gear in mind by the company making it (eg. CA 650 amp and 650 CDP, or Naim Nait 5i and CD5i), rather than simply being gear made by the same company that isn't as closely linked (Rega Saturn and Mira3 for instance). I am personally considering three brands right now that I hope finally put an end to the merry go round of gear I've tried. Creek, Exposure, and Rega; I'd think they'd all work well together as these companies seem to have a great reputation for making very musical gear that excels when it comes to pace, rhythm, and timing. If the Exposure is a little bright, maybe partnering with a warmer Rega might work well. Unless one wants that bite, in which case go with all Exposure. My impression of Creek is somewhere in the middle, so it would likely do well with either. Then again, one could ask, if you don't want a little more warmth or bite, why not just go with all Creek? If you want a bit of warmth why not go all Rega, and if you want a bit of bite then why not go all Exposure? Why introduce that extra variable that mixing different brands could cause? |
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Silver Member Username: HawkbillyNova Scotia Canada Post Number: 752 Registered: Jul-07 | Dan, I wasn't referring to warm vs lean vs whatever, and trying to mix and match presentations to get what you wanted. I simply meant that a single brand may not build all components of equal quality. For instance, a given brand like Rega may do cdp's very well, but perhaps some people don't prefer their amps (this is just an example, I don't know the quality of Rega amps). So perhaps a Rega/Naim combination would be more successful. There are of course brands that do very nice combinations of both cdp's and amps, and if so, I agree that synergy is more likely. But there is a presumption that both of the components are of the same quality in relation to the competition in their price classes. |
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Bronze Member Username: DaltreyPost Number: 17 Registered: Aug-09 | That's right people who buy gear from internet direct companies or from kit companies like North Creek,Dennis Murphy,Jim Salk etc etc usually are pretty nutty and don't have a clue about music.Stick with the big mainstream companies you can never go wrong with Bose. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyFort Hamilton, NY United States Post Number: 3105 Registered: Oct-04 | FIGHT THE POWER! ...Lots of Bose fans around these parts, great observation! |
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Gold Member Username: Nickelbut10Post Number: 2868 Registered: Jun-07 | Dan, why Rega, Exposure or Creek? Is this what your dealer carries? Sorry I am just kind of reading half way up here. You are from Canada, why not hit something closer to home. Like Sim Audio, Bryston, Blue Circle, Classe and others. The Rega Mira comes nowhere close to sticking in the same league as the Saturn. The Rega amps IMO are decent but don't do music like their Sources. If your looking for something in the Mira3 price range look for the Sim Audio 1.1 as the 3.3 just came out. I heard the 1.1 again on Friday that just passed on some totems and I would take it in a heart beat over anything Rega has for amps. |
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Gold Member Username: Nickelbut10Post Number: 2869 Registered: Jun-07 | lol count me in as a Bose fan...ahhh...rrrr...lol Great observation indeed. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11484 Registered: Feb-05 | Good points Nick, I've kind of given up. He'll buy what he wants and let us know...good enough. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 425 Registered: Dec-06 | Art, I don't seem to recall you ever recommending Sim, Bryston, Blue Circle, or Classe; or any other name that wasn't on my list. I don't know why you've given up or what you've given up on. I know I beat a dead horse with the Evo2-10's...guess they just weren't for me and that's okay! But with respect to the other gear I am all ears. I may not end up doing what you recommend but trust me that I still consider the feedback. I'll go back to my thread and look at the recommendations you made, I don't recall that it was anything involving different gear or anything that I even disagreed with. We both concur the laid back sound is due to the YBA - well, I suspected it and you confirmed it. So I'm a little puzzled at your comment. I enjoy reading everyone's thoughts but at the end of the day, as you are well aware, we must make our own decisions based on what we think is best given our own preferences. In fact, I took a couple of your recommendations to heart - I am not going to give the Mira3 as much consideration as I was at the outset and I am giving more thought to keeping the Saturn even though it'll mean differing brands. Chris H, I understand your point in regard to this as well now. Nick, the brands I'm considering now are what one dealer stocks. I prefer to stick to this dealer as he provides amazing service, provides great and pressure-free auditions, and does trade-ins paying a fair amount for the goods he takes on. The trade ins will help finance the new gear I buy and will avoid me having to sell the goods myself which offers much less certainty. I was willing at first to do business with another local dealer and put my items on consignment because he also carried Naim, but he was less than co-operative. I also found out connectivity of a subwoofer to the Nait 5i is difficult, and so I decided to put Naim on the back burner for now. When I found out that the second dealer just began offering Exposure there was no reason to go elsewhere. Great service, trade-ins, plus the brands I am interested in and can hopefully demo properly. I'm interested in these three brands in particular as they are well regarded for playback of rock music and for their PRaT. I'd like something with a little more edge to the sound than I am getting now, something a bit more lively. Naim would have been ideal perhaps but these others are I think in the same conversation. I'm not married to any of them though, and am trying to do this right - with a proper audition using music I am familiar with! If I don't like what I hear then I won't buy and I will look at other options. But the easiest and most preferred route would be for me to buy from this particular dealer. Budget is around $2,500 for both amp and CDP, but I'd be willing to stretch that to $3,000. The trade-in will pay for most of it. Cut that in half if I keep the Saturn (which I will also hopefully demo next to these other amps). If I like Saturn/Exposure best then I'll do that. If I like Saturn/Creek then I'll do that. If I like Exposure/Exposure, or Creek/Creek, then I'll do that. If I don't like what I hear, period, then I will have to do something else. If anyone thinks I'm going about this wrong then please say so. Considering other brands is probably ideal in most cases, but I have spent enough money this year and still not attained the sound I want; as such the trade-in route offered by this particular dealer is much more appealing than me putting up another $2,500 and waiting (hoping?) that my current gear sells quickly. I'm definitely interested in brands like Sim Audio, but perhaps down the road is a better fit than today. |
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Silver Member Username: HawkbillyNova Scotia Canada Post Number: 758 Registered: Jul-07 | I'll second the Simaudio gear. Great gear, well made, and the company stands behind the product. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11485 Registered: Feb-05 | I didn't recommend Sim because it's too similar to YBA in it's laid back presentation. The brands were not the point, Dan, that folks make recommendations that fall on deaf ears is the point. Speaker stands come to mind. The statement you just made to Nick relative to brands is another. You prefer to stick to one dealer. So you are all ears, as long as what you hear is what that one dealer carries. Other than that,I don't much about it Dan...too many other things goin' on. |
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Gold Member Username: Nickelbut10Post Number: 2873 Registered: Jun-07 | I know I am late on this conversation but for god sake man keep the Saturn!!! lol. The Saturn cdp will spank any cdp from the likes of Exposure and Creek IMO. YBA is a smooth laid back sound until you hit the upper end of their lineup then its a whole other ball game. But I am guessing you didnt spend 6 grand for an YBA amp, so this is probably the main cause to the laid back sound. Sim Audio is also a smooth sound but sounds more robust, and brings a ton of attack without bringing the analytical sound to the music. But like Art said, may not be for you in this case. If I were you, and were looking for what you wanted in a British style amp then I would look no less than the Naim/Saturn combo. I know your looking just for a different sound but I rather have the YBA than the Rega Mira or Creek amps. I know the Mira3 is an edgier sound but I personally prefer the YBA. Your moving sideways it seems, and wasting your money. I think not only do you have to "change" the sound of your system but move up the ladder while doing so. Naim/Saturn combo would be my only choice if I had the dealers you have. Its a proven, great combo. |
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Silver Member Username: HawkbillyNova Scotia Canada Post Number: 761 Registered: Jul-07 | The only Moon gear I've heard that I would describe as remotely "laid back" would be the i-3, but I'd describe it more as polite than laid back. The i-1 and the i-5 (now 5.3) are anything but laid back. As Nick said, very smooth and refined, but there is lots of gusty there as well. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11487 Registered: Feb-05 | Chris, I think we are saying the same thing but differently. I've recommended Sim here many times, and when no one else was. Relative to Dan...if you have limitations such as needing to buy from a single dealer, perhaps a link so that we know what they offer would help. If you already have done that then I'm sorry I missed it |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 426 Registered: Dec-06 | This post is addressing Art. I'll make one addressing other points afterwards. The brands were not the point, Dan, that folks make recommendations that fall on deaf ears is the point. Speaker stands come to mind. The statement you just made to Nick relative to brands is another. You prefer to stick to one dealer. So you are all ears, as long as what you hear is what that one dealer carries. Other than that,I don't much about it Dan...too many other things goin' on. Brands are the point, Art. Nick's suggestion was to broaden my search and consider other brands. You said good point, but you've given up. I'll buy what I'll buy and tell you guys after the fact. As if you made the same sort of suggestion. So what suggestions did you make in the other thread that fell on deaf ears? Please enlighten me. You've got a valid point about speaker stands, I admit it and I'm sorry about that, that's about it though. The stands thing pre-dates any of this. Do you think I would have bought the Saturn if it wasn't for this forum? How about the Evo2-10? Not likely. I guess I don't follow every suggestion made to me, but honestly, who in these kinds of threads does? I'd be running around for a week from dealer to dealer to listen to a whole whack of gear. The nearest Sim dealer I know of is an almost two hour drive away. That said, I did mention that if I didn't like what this one dealer had that I would broaden my search. For the time being I chose a dealer that I did business with before, who was extremely helpful and provides good demos. This is the type of suggestion that you guys most often provide! Go to a good dealer who will let you listen and is helpful, hear what he has and see if you like it. The gear I narrowed it down to is based on comments made by users like yourself (you don't like Exposure but many do, and I know you mentioned you enjoy or did enjoy a Creek system that you had). Naim and Rega are often espoused here for musicality and PRaT, things which I have determined are important to me. This is what has led me to focus on these brands in particular. Maybe I am not saying "thank you" enough for guidance such as this. Then people feel I didn't take it to heart. I read just about all the posts you've made Art. I know you enjoy Rega, Creek, you think the DacMagic is a great product, you've fallen in love with your Sonneteer amp and Devore speakers. You don't think as much about the Sonneteer CD player. This is all gear that I would love to hear one day. Gear like Sim and Bryston as well. I remember these recommendations because I value the opinions of people on this forum. But some of it is not in my price range or isn't as convenient for me to buy now, and I can't hear everything all at once. I have to focus a little and yes, I've settled for the time being on hearing Exposure and Creek. Rest assured though that I do remember suggestions made and when the opportunity presents itself I will definitely look into those. It is one step at a time and for now I've determined that this is the step I'm going to take first. So you can say that everything falls on deaf ears. That's not true. I admit I am stubborn and often I need to be convinced of things. Some may see that as a fault, some may not. I don't mean it in any negative way against you or anyone else. You are always free not to respond to my posts if you feel that frustrated by doing so. That is all. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11491 Registered: Feb-05 | Dan, when I said that brands were not the point I was obviously referring to my point. You made an erroneous assumption. Relative to choosing one dealer, I'm not sure why you think it's problem to me, that's what I've done. The problem is choosing one dealer while acting like the whole audio world is an option. Folks can't help if you aren't up front. Again, is there a reason why you haven't linked the dealer. Your post relative to understanding where I stand with gear shows how little you've paid attention. I recommend the gear that I own very infrequently. The Rega sources by far more than any other. I think I may have recommended DeVore once or twice since I've owned them, not because I don't like them, I love them, but because I make recommendations based on what I've been told that the shopper is looking for, not based on my needs. The less the shopper tells us the less well targeted our help will be. Sonneteer, I have never recommended. This particular board values big powerful amps where folks can rock out, very few folks here would spend 3K on a 50 watt amp, Perhaps Bryan and Neil. You stated a desire to have an amp with more life than your YBA...folks headed that direction. Keep in mind Dan that I really don't care what you or anybody else here buys as long as you enjoy the music. I have no investment in it at all. I do however have an investment in thinking about and or typing recommendations or any kind of advice without having received all of the information I need. Partly my fault for not asking, but frustrating none the less. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11492 Registered: Feb-05 | So let's leave this here and move discussions of your future acquisitions to your threads about such matters. Any more to say about the Evo's welcome here...thanks. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyFort Hamilton, NY United States Post Number: 3109 Registered: Oct-04 | I'm still pretty happy with my EVO2-10 purchase, they paired well with my Marantz gear & have no complaints. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 318 Registered: Jan-09 | PSB Image 25's vs Evo 2 10's. Anyone compared the two? There are some good sales on them right now. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11493 Registered: Feb-05 | Glad to hear that Chris. If you weren't happy with them I'm sure you would move them on, as you should. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 427 Registered: Dec-06 | Art, I didn't say that you recommended Sonneteer or Devore. I simply said that I've noted that you really enjoy that amp and those speakers, along with Rega players, etc. I've always wanted to try Rega because of comments about their CD players here on this forum from many posters, so I did. I don't regret it...the Saturn's improvement in sound was tremendous over what I had before (even though the partnering components were way outclassed by the Rega). Whether Sonneteer or Devore is for me I don't know, but I've noted how impressed you are with them and one day would love to hear them. That's all I stated. I do the same with other components that people talk about. When someone here gushes over a component I will at the very least do some Google searches and try to see if it may interest me. Including the Evo2-10's. That one turned out a mixed bag for me, but oh well. It happens I guess. A lesson learned in how to buy audio gear, IMO. I will address the earlier questions posed to me now in this thread because there are multiple posts directed at me. I will try to keep it brief. Then I agree that discussion is better moved to the crazy train thread. By the way, no problem in mentioning the dealer. It's Audio Eden,http://www.audioeden.com EDIT: Nevermind. I'll just move over to the other thread now. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11494 Registered: Feb-05 | We can do this until the cows come home. I didn't say that you said that I recommended them. I used that as an example. It was simply to show that I'm not invested in what anybody buys. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 431 Registered: Dec-06 | Okay, I understand. It's not about hearing gear that works for someone else, it's about hearing gear that should work in your system based on the music you like best. I apologize...no hard feelings. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11500 Registered: Feb-05 | I never said or implied anything of the sort...as I stated earlier and was referring to in the last post (in response to your last misunderstanding) is that I don't have any investment in nor do I give a rip what anybody buys, read above, I said the same thing....this time keep reading until you get to the point where I said "Keep in mind Dan that I really don't care what you or anybody else here buys as long as you enjoy the music. I have no investment in it at all". That means I'm not going to get rich based on, insulted by, validated by, or in any way gain from what you or anybody else buy's... |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11501 Registered: Feb-05 | I've done some additional research relative Exposure for you and was hoping to share it on your thread, and will later. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 432 Registered: Dec-06 | Art, you are misreading my post or maybe I wasn't clear. I basically acknowledged what you just said. You are coming from the angle that it's not about ME listening to something that YOU like (Sonneteer and Devore), it's about me listening to gear that will likely work best in my system and with my musical taste (mainly rock). I get that that is where your and other's recommendations are coming from. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11502 Registered: Feb-05 | I'm thankful for your clarification. I will delete my frustated post. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11503 Registered: Feb-05 | I didn't delete the posts but instead edited them so that they are more respectful, for the record. Thank you again for the clarification. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 433 Registered: Dec-06 | The Evo2 thing was a bit frustrating for me because it felt like no one believed what I was describing. But eventually it didn't bother me that much as I realized that there could be many reasons for me hearing it one way and you guys hearing it another. And of course the most important thing is whether it works for me and in the end I determined it did not. So time to move on. Same thing with the stands. I tried to explain how my desk is actually very heavy and strong and does not reverberate sound. I have had speakers that sounded great on it. It felt like no one understood this. But I get where you and others are coming from. That no desk can be as good as proper stands. I know I'm a bit stubborn. I don't mean to agitate. I'll try to take suggestions now with a more open mind. I've always liked reading everyone's recommendations and I've learned a lot here. Still a lot more to learn. Cheers. |
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Silver Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 122 Registered: Apr-07 | Just watched Inglourious Basterds and it was awesome with the Evos, even in my simple 2ch and a sub setup. I've had full 5.1 setups before but I honestly didn't miss it...The Evos were quite impressive on their own. They do effects well and dialog even better......The phantom center was just as good as when using my center channel speaker. I was thinking of running two setups, surround as well as 2 channel, when I was ready to get an integrated amp (still not quite there, other things have been getting in the way) but now I don't know. These seem perfectly capable of delivering on their own with movies just as well as they do music (still loving how well they do snaredrums). |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11537 Registered: Feb-05 | Excellent value in speakers. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 11566 Registered: Feb-05 | Been going back and forth between my Evo's and my ELS3's for the last several days. Those damn ELS3's are classics. I have the Apollo in the office system now and I really like how the Creek, Epos, and Apollo sound together. It's like they are of like mind...love it. The Evo's are sitting on my Expedit...looking lovely and waiting for another chance. I'd love to hear the ELS3's on the business end of a Creek Evolution II or 5350SE. |
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Silver Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 123 Registered: Apr-07 | Do you switch back and forth based on your mood/what you're listening to, or are you trying to narrow it down to one set for that system? |
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