Archive through August 23, 2009
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 74 Registered: Apr-07 | I'm not 100% sure of the answers to your question (I'd imagine the different enclosures would have a pretty drastic difference though) but I do know that even within the Evo2 range they use different drivers with different TS parameters for each of the speakers. They have 3 or 4 different versions of the 6.5" if I remember correctly. From looking at pics on Google I can tell the Quad is different in that it doesn't have the inverted surround that Wharfedale uses though, so I would bet on other aspects of it being different as well. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10360 Registered: Feb-05 | "How detailed are the Evo's? Average, above average, or below average? Average to above average I suppose. When driven by a good amp and with a good source they have wonderful detail and a real way with timbre...beatifully open and realistc. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10361 Registered: Feb-05 | Oh and congrats Mordecai...awesome! I think you'll love the Evo 2-10's. Just let 'em run in a bit and do some fussin' with placement and you'll be fine. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 285 Registered: Jan-09 | I'm looking forward to getting them. If anyone knows of someone looking for Evo 2-8's let me know. I will be selling them soon I'm sure. |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 39 Registered: Jun-09 | Dan: "Got a few questions for you all. I believe the Evo2-10 has the exact same drivers that are in the Quad 12L2. Assuming that is correct, should I expect the same kind of sound from the Wharfedale that I'd get from the Quad? Or are there simply too many other factors at play (like cabinet design, which is obviously different with the Evo's being curved and the 12L2 not). I was comparing their bass extension and the Quad's seem to go deeper, 45Hz vs. 57Hz. But the Quads are +/- 6dB, while the Wharfedales are +/- 3dB, which may account for those numbers. How detailed are the Evo's? Average, above average, or below average?" ---> >There seems to be a real Wharfedale mania here which is all good. That said I have auditioned the bigger Evo standmount (cant remember the model number) against both generation of Quads (L & L2) and both standmounts (11 and 12) in two different shops. My honest experience is that Wharfedale doesnt come close to Quads especially when you compare it to the bigger 12L2's. With enough volume on the amp 12L2's can easily give you that bass which you can feel in your chest with unbeliavable tightness, speed and accuracy. Quads are extremely fast and controlled speakers and also have resolution and transparency which the Wharfedales simply cant match. Also they do have better soundstage and imaging than Evos. They might sound harsh to some ears but they are honest speakers; no extra warmness, no delusional romance... In other words it is a trade like always. I suggest that you audition both and make your own conclusions but if you are solely interested in the bass capabilities between the two, Quad 12L2's have more than enough of bass with tighter and better grip. Of course it goes without saying that you should take into consideration your listening space. If it is relatively small 11L2's might suit better and prevent from excessive bass boom if youre not willing to sound treat your listening space. Hope this helps |
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Silver Member Username: NmytreePost Number: 266 Registered: Aug-04 | I have owned both the Evo 10 and the Quad 12L. Always prefered the Evo 10. I used to love playing the Eagles "One Of These Nights" through the Evo 10. The bass line sounds so friggin' great!! But as you guys know, I always love and prefer the warmth and delusional romance   |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10362 Registered: Feb-05 | Raheem, there is no Wharfedale mania, there was a "geez here's a good deal mania". You seem to enjoy trying to stir things up...sorry...not happenin' here. I prefer the overall coherence of the Evo 2-10 to the Quad and for several hundred less it's a no brainer. |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 40 Registered: Jun-09 | What makes you say I like to stir things up??? Dan was uncertain about the tonal differences between the two and more over the bass reproduction and I gave my take on the subject. When I give my perception that Quads outperform Wharfedales in bass reproduction it doesnt mean that Im trying to stir things up.Neither does it mean that I somehow disregard Evos or that I disrespect anyone who prefers them over Quads. NMyTree should've answered to Dans question and give his oppinion instead of really 'stiring things up´. What I was refering to by mania is that Ive noticed that many here seem to like Evo's very much and I have no problem with that. Geeez, this is sometimes reminiscent of a conversation with gossiping little old grannies. Many believe they Quands are one of the most 'honest' (very even frequency response) speakers out out there in their respective price range and considered to outperform even the highly acclaimed Dynaudio 52's. Just a couple of reviews I found by a quick google. You know I dont regard reviews too highly but the bass reproduction qualities of Quads L-series are so distinct they are pointed out by pretty much every reviewer. Another distinct quality is their unusually even frequency response which do make the speaker sound like "closed in" in the midrange (thus the no warmness, no delusional romance comment). You know that I like the Gurus very much which by arent exactly neutral in the close (1M) frequency response measurements "Plenty of punch from the mid/bass Kevlar driver, which exerts a strong degree of control on the low end while presenting the midrange beautifully, with insight and no little taste - you feel you can hear everything, but no element seems to dominate unnecessarily." http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/1078/v/3/sp/ "The bass performance of 11L2s is excellent - deep and detailed but with no sense of being overblown. Upper bass is tight, agile and fast. Allied to the impressively large soundstage, it means that the Quads really are ideal for someone who wants a large 'speaker sound without the large 'speakers." http://www.usheraudio.com/news/Hi%20Fi%20World%20Feb%2007%20520%20Group%20Test%2 0Review/images/8_jpg.jpg I agree, no brainer. If I had a grand to spend and had to make a choice just between the two Id go with Quad even it isnt exactly the most sweetest sounding speakers out there. Like I said, thats my two cents and moreover Dan should audition both to make his own conclusions instead of being guided by other peoples personal preferences. And yes Dan, The Quads are more detailed, just not too sure if they will bee 'too' detailed for your preferences. |
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Silver Member Username: HawkbillyNova Scotia Canada Post Number: 633 Registered: Jul-07 | "NMyTree should've answered to Dans question and give his oppinion instead of really 'stiring things up´. " "Geeez, this is sometimes reminiscent of a conversation with gossiping little old grannies. " "no extra warmness, no delusional romance" Call it what you will. But I think "stirring things up" is a reasonable description, at the moment at least. What is so "delusional" about preferring a little warmth in music ? Since when is a flat frequency response graph the be-all-end-all indicator of music reproduction ? |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10363 Registered: Feb-05 | Raheem..I'm not going to respond to you...find another thread to crap on. |
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Silver Member Username: NmytreePost Number: 267 Registered: Aug-04 | Just for the record...... I didn't respond directly to Dan's question, because my experience is with the Quad 12L and Evo 10 (not the Evo2-10 and Quad12L2). So I just wanted to submit my little opinions on those two speakers. I really have to make an effort to audition these Evo2 speakers and Quad 12L2 speakers. And yes, I am proud to be a lover of warmth and delusional romance. Putting audio aside for on brief moment..... What is love and romance, if it is not delusional I mean, we're not exactly right in the head when we're in love, are we  |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 41 Registered: Jun-09 | "What is so "delusional" about preferring a little warmth in music ?" ---> Absolutely nothing. Each and everyone to his own. Dan was questioning and asking perceptions on detail and the bass reproduction capabilites between the two. Thats it. Nothing more to it. "Since when is a flat frequency response graph the be-all-end-all indicator of music reproduction?" ---> No one made a statement which would imply so. Altough flat frequency response has some - and here the word *some* should be yet again stressed - reference to the overall balance of the speaker: "Another distinct quality is their unusually even frequency response which do make the speaker sound like "closed in" in the midrange (thus the no warmness, no delusional romance comment)." Flat frequency response alone or "Closed in" midrange seldom produces what is often described sweet or musical results and my romance at least has lots of sweetness and musicality to it. |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 42 Registered: Jun-09 | NmyTree: "Putting audio aside for on brief moment..... What is love and romance, if it is not delusional I mean, we're not exactly right in the head when we're in love, are we" ----> Lol My thoughts exactly and a philosphical question without a doubt which seems to puzzle great thinkers and audiophiles alike. Lol. Art, try to get yourself together. No one here is crapping on anyone, at least I am not. This is a forum for different thoughts to be exercised and I haven't honestly tried to crap on anyone or put anyone down. Thats not my cup of coffee. Just giving my perceptions which I think you should be mature enough to handle without getting so melodramatic. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10364 Registered: Feb-05 | Like I said Raheem...go crap on some else's thread. And dude, there ain't no drama unless it's happenin' in your head. I don't let trolls get under my skin. Sorry to disappoint. |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 43 Registered: Jun-09 | "Like I said Raheem...go crap on some else's thread. And dude, there ain't no drama unless it's happenin' in your head." Good for you Art. But I have to dissapoint you just that much as as you are no authority telling me where, when or what I do say. Whether it is "your" thread or not LOL. So keep going on strong. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13018 Registered: Dec-04 | Going back up a tad here...beyond the Dynaudio 52? The most recommended speaker system that I have ever read about and recommended myself? You DO mean the 52 that can fit any music, to satisfaction, and places about as easily as an ashtray right? Just checking... |
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Gold Member Username: GavdawgAlbany, New York Post Number: 1284 Registered: Nov-06 | when Art states that these hold up well against the studio 20, that is all I need to hear. The pair of speakers I had between the RB-5 and atom was a pair of wharfedale sapphires (I believe I have mentioned this before), and I loved how rich and warm they sounded. Man that was addictive!!! When I was auditioning the studio 20 recently, I started reminiscing over the sapphires. Granted, my memory of how they sounded overall is shot, but I remembered how the sound was full, rich, and warm.... much like the studios. I got rid of them because they too large for the room. They were towers and did not work well where they were located (this was before I knew what I know now about room interaction). They also developed a tweeter problem that I had great difficulty getting repaired. |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 45 Registered: Jun-09 | "You DO mean the 52 that can fit any music, to satisfaction, and places about as easily as an ashtray right?" ---> When comparing them to Quads I was refering to the detail of 52's which is right there with the best of them in their price range. I havent had long and intense experience with them but my initial perception is that Dynaudio 52's have a "darkish" flavor to them yet still being very detailed and musical indeed. Dark, not in a negative sense of the word. They are easy to enjoy (or is it that the music the reproduce is easy to enjoy? go and figure!). Most people listening rock or music with processed electronic guitars seem to consider them second to none. Many speakers have problems reproducing that specific instrument, even more when heavily sound processed, in enjoyable manner which 52's manage to do without loosing any detail, becoming dull or laid back like so many others. I believe it is this distinct quality of 52's which many refer to whe ndesribing them as "darkish" Hope this clears it out. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2786 Registered: Oct-04 | Uh...$299 for the Wharfedale EVO2-10 vs. $995 for the Quad 12L2, what's the argument here? http://www.gcaudio.com/cgi-bin/store/showProduct.cgi?id=99 "When Art states that these hold up well against the Studio 20, that is all I need to hear." That's what sold me on them too Gavin. |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 46 Registered: Jun-09 | Quad 12L2's arent to my tastes. Because of that excessive detail - lack of colour if you will - the Quad12 L2's have and because that time I couldnt find a proper flavor to suit my taste I actually went for the infrerior Monitor Audio BR2's which arent exactly bad speakers either. Regardless I wouldnt compare the two. |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 47 Registered: Jun-09 | Art, the fanfare is all yours. Enjoy. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10365 Registered: Feb-05 | Peace out! |
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Silver Member Username: NmytreePost Number: 269 Registered: Aug-04 | Just a comment on "Honsety in A Speakers Audio Presentation" With the all inconsistencies in recording quality. With all the different approaches and inconsistencies in mixing. With all the horrendus recording qualities and mastering (think brickwalling and excessive treble and reverb overload and saturation). I say ....Lie To Me!!!! Lie To Me Like A Mo Fo!!! |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2787 Registered: Oct-04 | I've been doing some critical listening this morning. Placement has proven to be a bit tricky, I wish I had about 6-8" more to move these further away from the wall, as it is, they are about 6" from my long wall, with me siting directly front & center across, about 6" away. The first thing I noticed was piano key strikes, they seem considerably more forward than the Beta 20. Also, soundstaging has dropped back about 3' feet from the 20s. The EVO2-10 still have just a few hours on them, so I suspect thing will evolve over the next few days. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10366 Registered: Feb-05 | They do continue to develop. Mine are still changing/improving. Placement is a bit funny but when you get it you will know it. Piano key strikes are amazingly percussive and lively on mine. I really have very good synergy doing with that home office system |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 197 Registered: Dec-06 | Wow guys, let's all take a breath for a second! The reason for my questions are because as many of you know I had the Quad 12L actives for a while, and their detail and quickness was impressive to say the least. I also tested the PMC TB2i for a few days and they are a much warmer and laid back speaker. I prefer the PMC sound to the Quads, and one day will buy the PMC when I am able to, but that's not to say I don't also like the Quads. One of the things I enjoy is lots of detail in my music, but preferably not with the level of harshness as in the 12L active. As such, I felt maybe the Quad 12L or 12L2 passive might have a little added warmth but still have impressive detail. So I had my mind set on that speaker. However, considering the Wharfedale has the same drivers as the Quads (still not positive on that but even if they do differ I think they probably share some underlying design principals) I thought perhaps they may have similar audio qualities. I was puzzled as to such a large difference in bass extension, but considering the error rates quoted I think they are probably more similar than the 12Hz difference would suggest. In short, the price of the Evo2-10 is very attractive and if it has the detail I'm looking for, with a little less harshness than the Quads that I heard, then it is definitely something I'd consider. |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 53 Registered: Jun-09 | Dan, ".One of the things I enjoy is lots of detail in my music, but preferably not with the level of harshness as in the 12L active." ---> Exactly my thoughts. I would even go as far as "ruthless in their harshness". In this regard they truly are honest speakers. Then again a good tube amp can work wonders in the right places... "As such, I felt maybe the Quad 12L or 12L2 passive might have a little added warmth but still have impressive detail. So I had my mind set on that speaker." ---> Active or not their character remains... "In short, the price of the Evo2-10 is very attractive and if it has the detail I'm looking for, with a little less harshness than the Quads that I heard, then it is definitely something I'd consider." ---> You can bet all your hard earned that they aren't as harsh as the Quads. |
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Silver Member Username: NmytreePost Number: 270 Registered: Aug-04 | I don't believe they're using the same exact drivers in the Evo2 and Quad 12L2 Series. From what I understand, they're slightly different; in that they tweak those drivers to suit the different cabinets and different sound they are trying to get with the two designs and the goals of those designs. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 198 Registered: Dec-06 | I should add that my choice comes down to these new Evo2-10 or a used pair of Quads. |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 54 Registered: Jun-09 | I dont wonder at all why they came up later with that active version. It has a certain appeal to a specific group of consumers... |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 199 Registered: Dec-06 | Well it's done. I've bitten on the Evo2-10. I'm sure I'll enjoy them, probably more than I would the Quads, which even used would cost more (and that's after shipping the Wharfedales to Canada and any applicable taxes - this really is a great deal). I'm sure it'll be a big step up from my Tannoy F2. I will post my impressions but it won't be for five or six weeks. I promise they will be driven by an appropriate amp too! |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10369 Registered: Feb-05 | Hope you enjoy them Dan. Give them plenty of run in time and if you have any questions about setup, speaker cable and what not, don't be bashful. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 200 Registered: Dec-06 | Thanks Art. I'll be re-arranging my listening room to ensure the speakers are away from the corner. I looked at Wharfedale's manual and I think they say 70cm away is ideal, which I cannot do in my current configuration. Speaker cable will be Chord Rumour 2, interconnects the Chord Chameleon Silver. That about all right now I guess. Oh, I did opt for rosewood. It's a bit more, but these are still a great deal. If I bought locally the Evo2-10 is $902 after tax, but from STO (even after shipping and taxes) I'm expecting to pay a total of around $520! |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10370 Registered: Feb-05 | Rumour 2 is a killer speaker cable and a great match for the Wharfies...if you don't have jumpers, consider the Paul Speltz Anti Jumpers...they work very well with Chord speaker cable. You got a really good deal Dan! |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 286 Registered: Jan-09 | Congrats Dan. I ordered a pair of black yesterday. I can't wait to get them. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 201 Registered: Dec-06 | Thanks Mordecai, congrats to you as well. I'm looking forward to hearing your impressions and of course listening to them first hand. Art, I'll look into those jumpers. They aren't all that expensive, $25 on Audiogon I see. Not entirely sure what they are for though - as far as I can tell they are a way to bi-wire a speaker with only one run of speaker wire. You run your normal wire to the first pair of connectors and then the jumpers from the first to the second pair. Is that bascially all there is too it? Do the Wharfedales come with a set of metal jumpers already? I read that wire jumpers may be a better choice, at least that's one theory, hence a product like the anti jumpers. Let me know if I'm not understanding this right, I've never looked into jumpers at all except for a brief Google search this afternoon. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13020 Registered: Dec-04 | Thats right, Dan. The jumper wires replace the brass strips that usually come with the speakers. The reasons for the jumpers are various, but mostly to maintain character between the two post sets. If you used flat strips if brass from the amp to the speakers, then the supplied units would be my first choice to try. |
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Silver Member Username: NmytreePost Number: 271 Registered: Aug-04 | Question. Has anyone ever seen that Cherry Finish of the Evo2-10, in person? I'm wondering if it's as red as the picture in this thread seems to indicate. Or does it lean more toward a light natural cherrywood finish? Just curious. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10375 Registered: Feb-05 | Dan, you do understand I hope, that the Wharfies are no competition for thr PMC's right? |
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Silver Member Username: James_the_godLancaster, Lancashire England Post Number: 789 Registered: Jan-05 | The Quad 11ls (passive) were one of the worst sounding speakers I've heard. They went back after a few days. I thought the d. 9.1s were better!! Some day I get the feeling everyone on this forum will own a pair of evo2-10s! Whilst I'm here, think I'll express my new old Kef q60s and rotel combo is trully musical happiness!! O, well executed 'battle' Art. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 202 Registered: Dec-06 | It's funny you ask that NMyTree, I actually changed my order this morning to the cherry finish. I'm not entirely sure what to expect, but from online pics (of which there aren't many) I think the cherry would fit in a little better. Art, yes, I'm not expecting them to match up to the PMC's. But I am expecting them to kick some Tannoy F2 butt! A more refined sounding speaker without the harsh Tannoy treble is what I'm hoping for. I'm sure Tannoy makes great trebles, just not on their entry level stuff. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10376 Registered: Feb-05 | I don't see it as a "battle" JJ but thanks anyway. I'm here to enjoy and share and so "battles" just get in the way of living a more harmonious lifestyle which is what I'm really after at this point in my life. |
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Silver Member Username: NmytreePost Number: 272 Registered: Aug-04 | Make Love.....Make Music.... .....Not War |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 203 Registered: Dec-06 | http://www.wharfedale.co.uk/Portals/0/PDF_Data/Brochure/Evo2_range.pdf The cherry finish does appear to be quite dark and reddish. I'm guessing that is it right there on the cover. Look near the back where they provide color choices, same thing. I really like it actually. |
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Silver Member Username: James_the_godLancaster, Lancashire England Post Number: 792 Registered: Jan-05 | Hence the inverted commas  . Trust me its all I want too, I hate confrontation too. Anyway back to the music.. Dan, I'd have stayed with the rosewood personally!! I think they look gorgeous, especially when I nearly ordered some a couple years back..where are those pics.. I wonder how much the signature edtion evos will come in at when they're released! |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10379 Registered: Feb-05 | I think the only difference is the Walnut finish isn't it? |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2788 Registered: Oct-04 | Damn, I love Walnut...but, I like my green even better. |
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Silver Member Username: James_the_godLancaster, Lancashire England Post Number: 793 Registered: Jan-05 | Green? I think so Art, possibly something new to do with the drivers smooth phase response? Unless thats just information up from the first evo range. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2789 Registered: Oct-04 | "greenbacks"...get it? |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2365 Registered: Nov-05 | I hate confrontation also JJ but - The Quad 11ls (passive) were one of the worst sounding speakers I've heard. They went back after a few days. Fact is a few days is no where near long enough for Quads to run in - they take 100 -200 hrs. They are a bit out there when they are fresh. Don't just give peace a chance, give speakers a chance also :-) Placement is also an issue, not just with Quads I know, but recently I was thinking I wasn't getting the best from my gear with my speakers, but I had changed their placement. I have them back to where they belong and they are once again giving me magic. A few inches difference here and there can change things. |
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Silver Member Username: James_the_godLancaster, Lancashire England Post Number: 795 Registered: Jan-05 | Sorry Chris. I was being rather dumb earlier. Read right past it! |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 61 Registered: Jun-09 | "greenbacks" indeed |
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Silver Member Username: James_the_godLancaster, Lancashire England Post Number: 796 Registered: Jan-05 | I did give them a few days, solid music playing pretty much. But there is that plain like or hate it from first impression and it really was dissapointing. I didnt notice any improvement over the time I had them. But what you said about placement was probably party accountable. My room at the time was very awkward indeed! |
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Bronze Member Username: Just_wax_itMontreal, Quebec Post Number: 62 Registered: Jun-09 | "Fact is a few days is no where near long enough for Quads to run in - they take 100 -200 hrs. They are a bit out there when they are fresh. Don't just give peace a chance, give speakers a chance also :-) Placement is also an issue, not just with Quads I know, but recently I was thinking I wasn't getting the best from my gear with my speakers, but I had changed their placement. I have them back to where they belong and they are once again giving me magic. A few inches difference here and there can change things." ---> All of this is very true. Theres a big dfference between generations as well. Even more when it comes to the smallest 11 which sounds much more closed in than the second version. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10383 Registered: Feb-05 | I agree with you both it does indeed take plenty of time for many speakers to run in and show their full character. There are times however when a speaker is just grievously wrong for your ears from the start and you know it...occasionally anyway. |
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Gold Member Username: GavdawgAlbany, New York Post Number: 1285 Registered: Nov-06 | JJ I own the iQ3 and agree about the KEF sound. I have had them about a year and a half now. The new q series has the "tangerine" waveguide on the tweeter (supposed to smooth out the dispersion pattern) but aside from that not sure what is different about them. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10387 Registered: Feb-05 | Robert Glasper - In My Element Freddie Hubbard - Red Clay |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2367 Registered: Nov-05 | Now, how do we tranfer a post from one thread to another? |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10391 Registered: Feb-05 | Oops! |
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Silver Member Username: James_the_godLancaster, Lancashire England Post Number: 799 Registered: Jan-05 | Pretty nice Jazz there Art. Just listened to all of in my element and some of red clay. Its better in small doses though! |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10396 Registered: Feb-05 | I like it in BIG DOSES....lol! |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13045 Registered: Dec-04 | All things in moderation..including moderation. |
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Silver Member Username: James_the_godLancaster, Lancashire England Post Number: 800 Registered: Jan-05 | Try some Pink Martini. Now thats big doses for me! No seriously, not the drink. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10397 Registered: Feb-05 | Pink Martini is from just 40 miles south of here and used to play in the area all the time. They still come around from time to time. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13052 Registered: Dec-04 | I saw that the Martini was in Orlando a couple of weeks ago whan I was there, but didn't catch the show. So, on a whim, I picked up the phone to order the Evo's. They are not open today. I guess I am still up the 550$CDN to get them. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10404 Registered: Feb-05 | Be patient grasshopper...lol! |
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Gold Member Username: GavdawgAlbany, New York Post Number: 1286 Registered: Nov-06 | I listen to Pink Martini from time to time... have to say that my fave from them is "hang on little tomato" If you like them, do yourself a favor and check out Paris Combo. I too am debating on taking the bait. I loved the warmth and richness that my wharfies had the short time I had them. I have been eyeing the Paradigm Studio 20 on and off for several months, but reading the comments here has me under the impression that the evo 2-10 may possibly be a sonic equal...and best it in certain areas. |
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Gold Member Username: GavdawgAlbany, New York Post Number: 1287 Registered: Nov-06 | The wife and I still enjoy the current speakers so it isn't certain that the evos will be bought unless they are a sonic step up from what we currently have (iQ3). From what I have read, I could reasonably expect the sound to be smoother and warmer, with more palpability in the midrange. would this be a reasonable assumption? |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10415 Registered: Feb-05 | That's a reasonable assumption Gavin. The Evo's aren't as good as the Studio 20v3, at least to my memory, but not far from it. In fact it could be just my fond memory of the 20's. The Evo's are a damn fine speaker, worth their retail price. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2792 Registered: Oct-04 | I'm not sure if my ear is evolving and/or the speaker is breaking-in, I suspect it's a bit of both, but there is an upper-bass presence that I'm digesting with the EVO2-10 that is markedly different than the Beta 20. The v.3 was the benchmark by which I judged other standmounts for a long time, my last run in with the Studio 20 was the v.4 in a bad room, left a bad ringing in my ears, and I haven't heard the v.5 yet. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13065 Registered: Dec-04 | The last I heard was a v3, but with Mac power, which I think was underdone. Art's Rotel and 20's combo was pretty smokin', he says. Is you room ringing Chris?Might be a 120Hz ring in the room. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10420 Registered: Feb-05 | The Prima Luna Prologue 2 and 20's was really smokin'! |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13068 Registered: Dec-04 | The amp was noisy? Or was the 1 noisy? |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10422 Registered: Feb-05 | Neither were noisy. The Prologue 2 was a bad match with the ProAc's as it was a very bright combo. Later I heard from the dealer that every one of her Prologue 2's were returned for the same reason, bright. Was a good match with the 20's however. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 207 Registered: Dec-06 | I'm leaning towards QED cables now. None of my other components can be described as bright. The Evo2 aren't harsh and probably a tad warm, same with my eventual speaker (PMC TB2i). Arcam DV135 for now as source and maybe eventually Rega Apollo. My amp (YBA YA201) is described as neutral. QEDs are known to be relatively bright and detailed. I think given the rest of my system that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Besides, WhatHiFi says the QED Revelation speaker cable actually avoids the typical QED brightness: http://www.whathifi.com/Review/QED-Revelation/ I'd be adding the QED Reference Audio 1 interconnect. Still might opt for Chord. The Wharfedales should be arriving this week! |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 287 Registered: Jan-09 | Got my speakers in yesterday and started listening to them last night for a short time. I will wait before sharing my thoughts but my initial reaction was that these speakers have the low end I was looking for. What is the best way to break in speakers? Should I leave the amp for a few days or do I need to play music through them? |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 288 Registered: Jan-09 | I also picked up a Wiremold 9 power strip. I work for Allied Electronics so I got it for $18. Should I be concerned about power surges with the outlet? I will unplug from the wall when not in use and during storms. The area I live in has underground power so I really don't experience many surges unless it is a storm. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10447 Registered: Feb-05 | There a lot of different ways to break in speakers and a Google search will probably yield many of them, but for me it's the old fashioned way of playing them until they are broken in. Being in Texas you may want to protect your gear. Mike might comment as he lives there. I use a surge protector for my HT but not the 2 channel system as I find that they have a negative impact on sound. I have a Wiremold in my office system and it's a fine solution. Just doesn't provide any protection. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 218 Registered: Dec-06 | Well the Evo2-10 has arrived, but wouldn't you know it, there's a problem. One of the speakers is fine (broken grille pin, but that doesn't bother me). However on the second one there is a metallic ringing noise when I knock on the top of the speaker. There is no noise when I am moving the speaker though. I think it's coming from the tweeter, but the noise is heard coming out of the port (I guess because it's the only opening in the speaker). I'll give Mike a call and see what he says. I don't mind returning these and having another pair sent. What do you guys think? I haven't listened to them yet and wasn't planning to for a couple of weeks. |
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Silver Member Username: SoundgameToronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 902 Registered: Jun-08 | I'd call. There is nothing worse then getting something new out of the box that isn't working properly. Kind of like a cold shower when you're in the mood...LOL. Call him, if he's an honest guy who stands by his business he should make it good. Get on the horn now and maybe you can get the new set before the 2-weeks is up. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2807 Registered: Oct-04 | That's too bad (what the !@#$ is up with those pins?), get Mike on the horn ASAP & get this resolved. I've had absolutely no problems with my pair, still too few hours on them too make any categorical statements about them, other than they're very good & I'm enjoying them. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 219 Registered: Dec-06 | Well the pins are crap, there is no doubt about that. But I knew it going in. I can't believe how much better the Quad pins are, they are the same company, they should just have used those! I'll give Mike a call when he opens his store on Tuesday. |
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Silver Member Username: NmytreePost Number: 274 Registered: Aug-04 | Damn! I hate when that happens, Dan! Sorry to hear you got a dammaged speaker   Get in contact with them and return it right away. As for the grills and their pins...they sssssssuck! Even the Opus grills are made of that cheap garbage plastic. I suspect when it comes to the Wharfedale ines, they go cheap on the grills and put more money into the drivers and cabinets. It's their way of reducing cost. BTW Dan, how does the cherry finish look? Is it a red cherry like in the pick? Or is it more of a natural or honey stain cherry? |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 221 Registered: Dec-06 | It's definitely the same as the pic. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10488 Registered: Feb-05 | Mike'll do right by ya Dan. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13121 Registered: Dec-04 | That was quick, Dan. Do you like the colour? I forget what your stands are, too. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 222 Registered: Dec-06 | Delivery was pretty quick, I'm a little surprised. Obviously I was expecting it this week, but I did opt for USPS rather than UPS. I really like the cherry finish. No stands yet though, maybe someday soon. I'm not saying the desk my speakers are on is ideal, but it is very heavy and stable. The desk must be 20-30 years old, back when they made them well. I put rubber feet on my speakers to help them out. Seems to work pretty well for my Tannoy's. I'm guessing on a poor surface bass frequencies are the most problematic because of the vibrations. My complaint about the Tannoys is more around the highs. The bass is in large supply and pretty tight. I'm sure I'll add stands one day, they just aren't on the radar right now. I've spent more than enough on these upgrades! I also bought an Ultralink power conditioner. Going to give this a shot and I'll report back. Will try it first on my current system to see if I can hear any positive or negative effects on the music before hooking up the new stuff. http://ultralinkcables.com/products/popupimages/pgx300_3.jpg The dealer was showing me some Ultralink cables (under their XLO brand). Very nice looking stuff, too pricey for me though. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13129 Registered: Dec-04 | Hate to break it to you big spender, but proper stands will blow your mind and change the whole presentation. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 223 Registered: Dec-06 | That's possible Nuck. Maybe next year. Now that I have re-jigged the layout I do have enough room to accommodate stands. Pic of the Ultralink:  |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13133 Registered: Dec-04 | Dan, I suggest you plug all the goodies into the strip, but go straight to the wall with the amp. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 82 Registered: Apr-07 | Dan, I tried mine in a nearfield setup on my desk just for the hell of it and they weren't nearly as good as when on stands. While they were still very good, the mids seemed pretty bloated to me. The bass also wasn't the same....I'm not sure if I'd call it boomy but it definitely wasn't as tight as on stands. If I had to guess, I'd say it was because the port needs some breathing room. At the very least, experiment with placing some stacked books or something under them to get them a few inches off the desk. I still don't think that would be as good as stands, but it might help some. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10493 Registered: Feb-05 | I go straight into the wall with all of my main 2 channel system. I use a good quality (not expensive) surge protector for all of my HT except the sub. Limited outlets in the home office means I'm using a Wiremold outlet strip in that 2 channel system and a good surge protector on the PC. Nuck and Freddie are right, you need stands. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 13137 Registered: Dec-04 | Not to beleauger you Dan, but you are 80% there for the speakers. Almost pregnant? |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 224 Registered: Dec-06 | I'll see how the power conditioner impacts on sound. No judgements yet! You never know...maybe the Ultralink is a good unit. There are a couple of high current output plugs to connect an amp and sub. Another two digital plugs (good for a CDP) and two analog for something like a turntable. There's another two for video (TV) but I won't be using those. I'm assuming the high current plugs will do what needs to be done for the amp to sound it's best. Again though...time will tell. Okay guys, I'll look into getting stands. But it won't be this year! It'll be another upgrade to look forward to. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2808 Registered: Oct-04 | I use a Monster Powerbar 1100 on both systems, it's inexpensive & gets the job done. http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Cable-Theatre-POWERBAR-Clean/dp/B00006OAJL It can be had for a quite a few bucks less on eBay. http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=monster+powerbar+1100&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10554 Registered: Feb-05 | Got a little restless yesterday and put my Wharfies in the HT. Evo2-10's front, Diamond 9.1's rear and my spare 9.1 as a center. Sounds pretty damn good. Much more listening to be done. My wife claims to be able to hear dialogue clearer with this setup than the Primus. I've moved the Primus P152's to the home office for some extended listening. Should be fun. |
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Silver Member Username: SoundgameToronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 906 Registered: Jun-08 | Neat Art. Look forward to hearing your impressions. I saw CM's post on the Speaker Bargains. You could possibly trade up to the Classia's for cheap, as well. |
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Silver Member Username: NmytreePost Number: 277 Registered: Aug-04 | Well Dan? Do tell....do tell. How are you feeling about your Evo2 10's? Any chance of you submitting some pics of that groovy cherry finish? |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 227 Registered: Dec-06 | I sent back the one that had that clanging noise when you rap on the speaker. Mike put in a new woofer and I'll be picking it up this coming week. I'll post pics of the speakers next weekend or there abouts, along with the rest of my new gear. |
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Platinum Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 10599 Registered: Feb-05 | Bout time for some impressions fella's. |
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