Archive through June 15, 2009
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11598 Registered: Jun-04 | I just bought the ELT525T's to put them up against the evo 10's. The looser will be sold. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9841 Registered: Feb-05 | So I read on the other thread. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11601 Registered: Jun-04 | I posted there because i thought i saw the guy that brought it up discussing it with you. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9842 Registered: Feb-05 | Did you get your CD player today Sean? |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2658 Registered: Oct-04 | In case anyone is interested, STO is down to their last 2 pairs of EVO2-10 in Maple. Get'em while they're hot! Mine are in route. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9843 Registered: Feb-05 | You picked up the Cherry Chris? If so can't to see pics! |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2659 Registered: Oct-04 | Sorry Art, I meant Maple, not Cherry. The Alpha 20 are gone, I paid $135 for the pair in 2004, and sold them for $85; so all's well that ends well. The MAPLE EVO2-10 should be here tomorrow. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2080 Registered: Jun-05 | Actually Chris the ELT has the better drivers than the X-series and a very serious crossover,that belongs on a speaker that costs $5k,they are no bus stop to figure out whats going on with the X-series or anything else. |
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Bronze Member Username: SlappyjonesPost Number: 23 Registered: Aug-08 | Ha I bought the Swan 2.1se's and the Wharfy evo2-10's both in rosewood to sell one or the other. I don't possibly see how I can sell the Swans they look so damn good.Plus with serious amplification which I do not have as of yet I know they will sing that much better and right now they are besting the Evo2's by a good margin.But in fairness I have spent more time with them up til now.The 2.1se 's need quality power,loads of it and a long break in. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11604 Registered: Jun-04 | "Did you get your CD player today Sean" I got it like 2-3 days ago and it definitely made an improvement over the pioneer cd player i was running. Also since ive been running the nad 372 amplifier and this cd player the athenas sound a good bit better than they did on my old onkyo surround receiver. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 48 Registered: Apr-07 | I just got my Evos and listened to a couple songs. I like them so far - they don't quite blow the Cambridge Soundworks M80s away like I thought they would, but they are good. Highs are a bit more defined and they image a bit differently, but I think the M80s are a bit punchier and maybe a bit smoother in the midrange. If these impressions last, I don't think I'll be giving up either set of speakers. Going to listen to a few albums now, I'll post some more thoughts and some pictures later. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11605 Registered: Jun-04 | Congrats Freddie. I still havent received mine but they should be here in the next 1-2 days. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 49 Registered: Apr-07 | A few more songs down and I'm warming up to them. Mogwai's vocoder on Rock Action and Happy Songs sounds excellent.  |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12607 Registered: Dec-04 | freddie, it takes time for the speakers to run-in. Things will change for sure. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9848 Registered: Feb-05 | Outstanding...and thank you for the pics! |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 50 Registered: Apr-07 | Yeah, I'm aware of the run in thing, and I know I'm just not used to them yet. I'm not sure how much use they got by the guy who had them before me (I think he only had them for a couple weeks), but I'm sure they need more time. Just posting some first impressions. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2665 Registered: Oct-04 | The EVO2-10 are in the house, not out of the box, but in the house. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2083 Registered: Jun-05 | Congrats Freddie,you to Chris and Sean,I know both of you cant wait.lol |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9849 Registered: Feb-05 | Excellent Chris. It took all weekend running my Evo's to even begin to see what they are going to be like and I love 'em. Clean midrange with lots of definition and a refined bass..not punchy like the Diamonds and other speakers with a bit of a bump in the upper bass but like a speaker that's more neutral and refined...excellent. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2666 Registered: Oct-04 | ...now if I can land myself a pair of those Sanus UF-26 on the cheap, the world would be perfect...almost. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11606 Registered: Jun-04 | Thanks Tawaun i am really looking forward to getting them. I made the mistake of telling the guy dont rush if your cramped for time. Im also looking forward to putting the 525t up against the wharfedale's. Im sure they are both good speakers but as always there is a factor of personal preference and thats what I want to find out. Which one suits me best. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 51 Registered: Apr-07 | My camera is acting kind of funny, not sure why, but here are a few more photos:    And for comparison, my one of my M80s:  |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9850 Registered: Feb-05 | Again...nice pics Freddie! |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 182 Registered: Jan-09 | Sean, I'm waiting to hear what you think about the 525's. I'm curious to hear how they compare to the Evo's before I order a pair. I really like the Evo's so far. If you confirm TW's assessment then I will probably order a pair. I think TW works for AV123  |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11607 Registered: Jun-04 | Sure thing Mordecai. If you had bought them first I probably would have waited to hear what you had to say haha. This wont simply be a who's better but a compliment on each speakers strong points and some weaknesses. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11608 Registered: Jun-04 | "I think TW works for AV123" It sure sounds that way the way he words his reports.  |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 53 Registered: Apr-07 | Back on the M80s for a little while. Set them both up for A/B so I could have some fun tonight. Honestly, while I understand the Evos need to break in, right now the M80s hold their own. I still agree with what I said earlier; highs are a bit less apparent than the Evos, but mids are smoother and bass is punchier. Unfortunately they're no longer made, but if you come across a set used for a decent price and want something to add into the mix pick them up. I'm not sure if I should take it as disappointment with the Evos (again, I know about breakin, just talking about the present) or reassurance in my liking the M80s so much. The Evos are great speakers, but I think the M80s are pretty much in the same class. That said, I hope I'm not getting false impressions because of my cheap receiver. That may be holding the Evos (and even the M80s perhaps) back a bit. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9851 Registered: Feb-05 | The receiver would likely have the same impact with either speaker. Punchy bass often gives a false impression of deeper bass which also gives the impression of a speaker that is closer to full range. You'll find that the high end on the Evo's will smooth out considerably and when that happens the outstanding midrange becomes more apparent. Also I find the bass to be absolutely outstanding on the Evo's...same character as that on the Epos M12i...tight and tuneful, very detailed. Be sure to try placement options...most likely the 2 speakers you have will like different room placement. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2668 Registered: Oct-04 | Art, your discription is exactly what I am expecting from the EVO2-10, if they are in the league of the M12i, I'll be giddy. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 184 Registered: Jan-09 | Has anyone done a side by side comparison of the Evo 8 and 10's? I'd be interested to hear about the low end specifically. Since I moved the bass one notch the low end is more prevalent now. For most of the acoustic music I listen to the low end is fine. It's when listening to film scores the low end is missing and is my only complaint about the 8's. They may still improve with time but I'm considering looking for some 10's or I may give the 525's ago after hearing from Sean. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9853 Registered: Feb-05 | Can you try room placement at all Mordecai. This is a speaker that really likes toe in. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9854 Registered: Feb-05 | In the end guys no matter what the speaker there are so many variables that will impact the final product for us - the sound. Break-in, amp, source, cables, stands, room, room placement, room treatment, music preferences and on and on. We will all get something different out of the speakers...be patient though and you may find you like what you get. For me the search for a second speaker is over...these clearly combine the best of my favorite standmounts and easily become my standard for this type of speaker. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 185 Registered: Jan-09 | I don't have options with placement because I'm sitting about 3 feet from the speakers. They are toed in a fair amount though. I like everything about these speakers but the lack of low end. I may need to turn the bass another notch or consider a small sub or maybe the 10's or the the 525's. I'm not in a hurry and I hope they improve with time. STO is still showing the 10's in Maple for $299 if not I may look for some used ones. It just may be that a tower is a better fit. Like I said,I'm so new to all this that I just figuring out what I like. The 10's and 525 represent a potential increase of the low end without a sacrificing the mid and upper at a bargain price. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11616 Registered: Jun-04 | Personally im going to build my own sub instead of buying one. Plate amps can be had for $125 producing 300 rms at 4 ohms (its a bash amp) Go for a sub for a sealed box arrangement with a semi low fs and youll be set. An 8 inch would be all you need but a 10 could still be cheap too. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2086 Registered: Jun-05 | Na,i dont work for av123,some of you newcomers may not know me very well on here,but the usual suspects and veterins on here do. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 54 Registered: Apr-07 | Sorry to keep doing this, but one more round of pics lol. Now that it's night, long shutter is behaving a little bit better so it was easy to get something that looked nice (though something is still wrong with my cam).    I have a Flickr set with photos of all my stuff high res, which are a bit nicer than the small compressed photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/boulderdashcci/sets/72157613258783990/ Anyway, I've been listening to them all day and they're really growing on me. The midrange is starting to come around (I think this was more of a me getting used to them thing than a break-in issue). I agree with whoever posted it earlier in the thread, they do get a lot of things right. Overall I am impressed (but I still think the M80s hold their own). |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2669 Registered: Oct-04 | The M80 were practically being given away a few months back on closeout. I've no doubt they're a fine sounding speaker as I've always liked what I've heard from Cambridge Soundworks. I have to say I'm finding it rather amusing how fast people are formulating their opinions on these speakers. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9855 Registered: Feb-05 | Agreed Chris it takes time living with speakers and running through a lot of music to determine where they really stand...also that has to take place after break in as before break in your talking about a different speaker. |
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Silver Member Username: HawkbillyNova Scotia Canada Post Number: 579 Registered: Jul-07 | I agree Chris. Long term listening is the true acid test. Initial impressions often are different than your longer term assessment. It helps to understand your priorities and what you value most (in sonic characteristics), but even then, a little time helps sort things out. And "this is better than that" statements always need to be taken in the context of the individual. There are few absolutes, so listening only through the ears of others is a bit of a crap shoot. The other thing I find for myself, is that listening to many different components in a short period of time scrambles my aural baseline for a bit. When I changed my listening room, source, and cables all at the same time it really threw me for awhile. I had to stop changing things for a few weeks just to let things stabilize in my head again before I could evaluate subsequent changes effectively. When I went back through what I had done, I undid some things because they had actually made things sound worse to me, although at the time (quick evaluation) I thought they were improvements. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2670 Registered: Oct-04 | Even more so with a Wharfedale which uses a Kevlar diver I would imagine. I'd say run them in good & long for 100+ hrs, and then talk to me. I've been where some of these guys are now, so I know how this process plays out. No one is asking for advise, but I'm offering it: Slow down. My listening habits have evolved, it's a chicken or egg sort of thing, the better the equipment, the more I wanted to listen to better recordings, the better the recordings, the more critical I've become, and so it goes. Most know I love bargain basement equipment, a pair of Infinity Primus speakers and an HK receiver, with your choice of CD/DVD player, would thoroughly satisfy 99% of most. These same people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that system and a system that cost 10X as much, and believe me, even if they could, they don't care enough to make a difference. My wife is never happier than getting in the car, throwing on some "Best of the 80s, 90s, and the best new music" station on a clear day, and rocking out. We here are different, we are that other 1% (I think?) in that we been conditioned to notice subtle differences; boom, attack, air, glare, laid back, forward, etc., we notice these things, and like most things in life, if you look for flaws, no matter how small, you're likely to find them. To me, and I'm as guilty as the next guy, but it can take some of the fun out of the whole process. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2090 Registered: Jun-05 | Yes the Kevlar,takes a long time,i ran the Evo2 8 in when ever i wasnt playing them,i must have logged about 120 hours on them like that the 1st 2 weeks.I've got a lot of experiance with Wharffie kevlar they take a very long time to loosen up,my 8.1's sounded great after 6 months and even better after a year.Im not suprised that the M80's sound good,we're talking about a Henry Kloss design,he's 1 of the godfathers of speaker design,he is the designer of the great sealed box designs for AR,Advent,KLH,and even the great KLH electrastatics he and Peter Snell's sound formed what was called the "eastcoast sound",if its 1 thing the man can do,its make good speakers. |
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Silver Member Username: HawkbillyNova Scotia Canada Post Number: 580 Registered: Jul-07 | "...if you look for flaws, no matter how small, you're likely to find them." Amen. |
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Bronze Member Username: BoulderdashcciCanton, Massachusetts USA Post Number: 55 Registered: Apr-07 | I expect my opinion to change over time, I'm just posting what I'm hearing at the moment, from the album I just listened to, vs how I've heard it in the past. You're right in thinking I could probably happy with an H/K receiver and Primuses; that doesn't mean I can't hear a difference. I think a factor here that has been left out is my ears warming up to the speakers themselves. I'm not looking for flaws, I'm just adjusting to something different than what I've heard for over a year. I'm sure mechanical break in will play a part as you guys have said, but I think me adjusting is really what I'm hearing, and posting about. And the M80s weren't a Kloss design; the Newtons were designed by Bob Hazelwood of ADS. Kloss was retired at the time (this was between CSW and Tivoli) but from what I've read hung around the CSW shops quite a bit, and may have had some input on at least the T500 tower. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2091 Registered: Jun-05 | Didnt know Kloss,wasnt around anymore,Hazelwood is good to he and Micheal Kelly churned out some great speakers at ADS,of course Kelley went on to create Aerial Acoustics,all these guys know what they are doing,like i said its no suprise they sound good. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2092 Registered: Jun-05 | I remember when my dad bought his Ohm Walsh 2's at Carlin Audio,in Dayton,Ohio the ADS's were the best speakers they carried,people were coming from all over the country to audition the Ohms and ADS's Carlin Audio was a very very prominant shop back then wow how audio has changed. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 186 Registered: Jan-09 | Excuse my ignorance but what does ran in mean? Are you talking break in? What is the best way to break in a speaker? Tawaun mentions he ran in 120 hours on his Evo's. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2671 Registered: Oct-04 | Mordecai, "Running in" is synonymous for "breaking in ". |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2672 Registered: Oct-04 | I just got a nice email from the fellow I sold the Alpha 20 to, it reads: "I went to B&H yesterday and picked up a Harman/Kardon receiver, and hooked up the speakers. They sound great! The sound is so full and clear at any level. It is sad how accustomed I had become to the narrow sound and fake reverb from satellite speakers systems. My girlfriend, who has never had any sort of real audio system, is now a firm believer after she listened to her favorite Smiths album." Another satisfied customer. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9857 Registered: Feb-05 | Michael Kelly was also involved in the early designs with Era as well. Bottom line is that all of these speakers we've talking about are no slouches whether it's the Cambridge Soundworks, AV123, or the Wharfies...these speakers deliver excellent sound and value. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11619 Registered: Jun-04 | Nothing like a happy customer. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9867 Registered: Feb-05 | Very cool Chris. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2093 Registered: Jun-05 | Very true Art,the designers behind these 3 brands are aome of the best in the game,and of course even with Kloss's passing prescence really means something.Micheal Kelley designed the D4 & D5's midbass drives from the ground up because none of the current drivers on the market offered what he wanted.He also source the silk for the tweeter from Japan,some serious research went into the Era line it shows up everytime you press the play button to. For the D10 & D14 with the same drivers that Kelley designed for the D4&D5,Era brought in Danny Richie he designed the crossover with very expensive parts that some $20k speakers dont have he also voiced them which he is genious at.I owned the D5 and D10 for a brief period and i liked both very much i had the Peechtree Decco as well a incredable combination might i add with the D5 a little to underpowered for the D10. Danny Richie also done the crossover for the N.American version of the Usher-BE 718 with of course juiced up expensive parts and our version is much better balanced than the export version.He also designed the Epiphony Linesources,and of course he's the man that does av123,and he has his own company GR Research with some monster kit speakers that compete with anything,theX-LS,X-MTM, X-static,X-Omni,LS6,and LS9 all forms and variants of his kits brought to life by Mark his with beautiful woodworking.I must say Danny is 1 hot man,he kind of reminds me of T-Pain eveyone wants him on there song. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 187 Registered: Jan-09 | I just read this article (what I could understand of it) about speaker "run in". The author debunks the concept based on actual testing. I'm sure some of you have read this but it makes sense to me. I think it's more about our ears getting used to new speakers. http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/speaker-break-in-fact-or -fiction |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 188 Registered: Jan-09 | What's the status on the 525's Sean? |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9872 Registered: Feb-05 | Well I put my Evo's into the main system today...what a disaster. The main system is really tuned for the Rega R5's. I use Gutwire Basic 2 speaker cable with Synchrony 2 jumpers and that stuff...though detailed is very warm sounding. Turned the Evo's into mush..not good. A really good match for the Evo's in that system would be Chord Rumour 4 and a little peppier IC than the vdH Waterfall that I'm using...the Rumour 4 should be a perfect match...great bass and definition while being pretty neutral on the warm/bright continuum. I put 'em back in the second system with the Chord speaker cables and Creek amp and they sound fantastic. If you have a Creek or Rotel setup I think the Evo's are ideal...just don't muck it up with overly warm sounding cable...keep it neutral. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11631 Registered: Jun-04 | "What's the status on the 525's Sean?" I talked to them directly today and they said they shipped thurs. My wharfedales arent here yet either. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2100 Registered: Jun-05 | Damn Sean that sucks,a weekend without new speakers well back to the X-statics! |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 126 Registered: Dec-06 | Okay, so there's a lot of people here who know what the EVO2-10 and EVO2-8 are like. Out of curiosity, What amp do you guys suggest partnering them with? NAD, Cambridge, Marantz, Rotel? Something else? |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12624 Registered: Dec-04 | Aparantly not a Unico, from Art, so nothing smooth. Rotel has been mentioned. If you have a Classe amp kicking around, I would suggest a ca100 unit. |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 128 Registered: Dec-06 | I'm assuming the smoothness thing rules out Marantz? Cambridge or NAD might sound alright. Cambridge is supposedly a little dry and clinical (and I'd say this is the impression I've gotten from hearing it - but that was through Monitor Audio, through PMC it was different; obviously the speakers play a large role in what you hear). NAD is slightly warm with nice plump bass but I don't believe it's supposed to necessarily be overly smooth. And yes, Rotel sounds like it might be a nice match. I have to say, Rotel gear looks bad @ss. I don't think I've ever listened to Rotel before though. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9874 Registered: Feb-05 | I think even the Unico would have worked were it not tuned for the R5's and Apollo with warmer cabling. Probably a good match for the Evo's would likely be be Cambridge, NAD, Rotel and especially Creek. Good affordable cabling would be Chord Carnival Biwire for speaker cable and vdH The Well Hybrid for IC's, especially with Creek. Another wonderfully transparent budget cable is the Analysis Plus Oval One. I bet Blue Jeans would work nicely as well. Stay away from Audioquest, Cardas or Kimber... |
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Silver Member Username: KbearCanada Post Number: 129 Registered: Dec-06 | The Creek Evo 2 amp is actually very affordable. I also notice Audio Advisor slashed the price on the Cambridge 840A from $1,500 to $899. Quite the drop. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 189 Registered: Jan-09 | Art, I have few questions for you or anyone. Do you know if integrated amps have an ohm setting? I looked all through the NAD manual on my 325 and I didn't see anything about ohm settings. My speakers are 6 ohms so I assume the amp does not need a pre set. My current setup is the Evo 8's, Canare 4S11 speaker cable, DAC, and a NAD 325 fed by a PC using lossless music files. I have upgraded the interconnects as well. Is there anything else I can do to achieve better sound from this setup? I know I can change out speakers, amp and DAC, but will speaker cable and interconnect upgrades make a difference? I spoke with STO today and they still have the maple Evo 10's available and I asked him a similar question. He recommends that I go to a tube amp since I'm using music files. What do you think? If I stay with an integrated, would upgrading to a the Brio,Mira or Creek Evo be a significant upgrade over the NAD? Or, what about using the NAD as a pre-pro and buying an amp? Just consider this a teaching session for me. I'm not planning on doing anything now. I'm just thinking about the whole subject and formulating a plan for the future. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12625 Registered: Dec-04 | Mord, I think you should stand pat and enjoy some music. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 190 Registered: Jan-09 | I am enjoying. I've been moving the speakers around and I have found more bass by moving closer to the wall. I also moved the bass setting back to zero so that I am not coloring the sound. Nuck, I am a thinker so even if I'm enjoying where I am I am always thinking about where I'm going. This does not mean I am rushing out to buy anything. This is turning into a hobby which I never thought about or intended to happen. It has come from enjoying the music in ways I've never done before. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9875 Registered: Feb-05 | The 6 ohm (most likely nominal) speaker won't require anything special from your amp. My wife has the same amp driving her Diamond 9.1's. Sounds excellent. Other than bass I don't know what you want in the way of improved sound. Moving to the 10's would give you more bass and so too would using Chord speaker cable. Placement is key with the Evo's for bass. I have them in a small home office toed in considerably and near the corners. With my 40 watt per channel Creek amp and old Chord Carnival classic speaker cable w/Paul Speltz anti jumpers I'm getting fantastic bass...not so much in the living room where there are no corners for placement. Keep in mind that the low end driver takes considerable time for break in. Are you experiencing brightness...is that why the tube amp suggestion? I can't imagine anything more directly opposed to what I'm hearing than that suggestion... |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 191 Registered: Jan-09 | Thanks Art. I actually just moved them into the corners and it did make a significiant difference and did so with the bass setting back to zero. Where can I get the Chord cable? I've only seen it for sale in the UK. No brightness. I think the guy at STO is just trying to sell me a tube amp and might have assumed I had a brightness issue because of my source. I'm still considering the 10's. I think if they were black I would have already purchased them. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9877 Registered: Feb-05 | The Maple is purdy too! Hawthorne Stereo in Seattle or Stereotypes in Portland, Oregon will sell ya the Chord cable. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 192 Registered: Jan-09 | Yes they are. I looked at Freddie's pics on Flickr and they are very nice. I'm just trying to decide if the bass is enough to offset the loss I will take selling the 8's. Since I've moved them into the corner the bass has improved. And if you are correct, and the Kevlar driver improves with time then I might be satisfied with the 8's. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2675 Registered: Oct-04 | I'll have some feedback on a EVO2/Marantz set-up in the coming days. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9881 Registered: Feb-05 | Looking forward to it Chris. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12626 Registered: Dec-04 | keep us posted Chris! |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11633 Registered: Jun-04 | I missed my wharfedales being delivered to me yesterday but monday wiill be the day. Heck my t525's might be here too. By the way its getting crowded with speakers here soon. The cerwin vegas, athenas, wharfedales, and the t525's |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12632 Registered: Dec-04 | Crowded house...greatest hits |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2676 Registered: Oct-04 | I'm a little slow... |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11636 Registered: Jun-04 | haha |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2101 Registered: Jun-05 | In my 15 By 15 room i got great bass from the Evo2 8's,but they are more transparent to the electronics than the Diamond 9.1.The Evo2 8's will play what you put into them,with power like Art's Creek that has 40 watts or so they will sound good as long as you have a good source and good cables,but in a room my size or bigger,to get realistic bass and soundstage height and depth,your gonna need power,the Evo2 8's love as much power as you throw at them particularlly about 75 watts of good quality,with that kind of power you will really see what they can do,the politeness will be gone and replaced with the most dynamic and lifesize scaled standmount for under $1k I've ever heard. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 193 Registered: Jan-09 | I have a NAD 325. I can use it as a pre pro and by an amp I guess to gain more power or move up to an 80 watt per channel integrated. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9885 Registered: Feb-05 | Mordecai, you may just need the hair more bass extension of the 10's to be happy. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11642 Registered: Jun-04 | Mordecai patiently make your decision bro. You still have tunes in the meantime. I will have the wharfedales today and possibly the t525's. I will keep in mind the power you have too. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2102 Registered: Jun-05 | Mordecai if you thinking about the 10's,I would look at the ELT 525T for $299 in cherry it is a much better speaker,just going to the 10 would be a sideways move.More power will bring the 8's bass out,but for the price of more power which will be more than $299 to get what the Evo2's really need,why not just get a flat out better speaker. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9886 Registered: Feb-05 | Personally I think they are all in a sense a lateral move. One has to spend considerably more for significantly better performance. Though I'm sure the 525 is a great speaker nothing I've read leads me to believe that it is significantly better (or better at all for that matter)..just different. It didn't better the Aperion if I'm not mistaken which tells me a little about both speakers. That said I would be curious to hear it...just not enough so to buy it. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2677 Registered: Oct-04 | Tawaun, is the ELT series better than the Infinity Classia series in you opinion? |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2104 Registered: Jun-05 | Art,I know you like the Evo's I do to im always gonna be a Wharfie at heart but to be Frank you havent heard the ELT's so you really dont know what you are talking about and they do not sound like the Aperions which I owned about 6 months ago which are good but they are not better than the 525 Tower,the ELT Monitor is what you have been reading reviews on not the Tower,which has a much better crossover I've heard both and i was told by the staff and its all over the av123 forums,its a substancial difference between the 2 the bass is deeper and tighter,the towers are just a whole lot better everywhere,and yes even the Monitors are better than the Evo2 8& Evo2 10 and its been many comparrisons around the boards about 525M the Monitor and the Aperion 4B and 5B and its never really been a contest 525M's hands down. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2105 Registered: Jun-05 | Chris yes,the ELT525T has just as deep bass as the Classia towers and tighter,the Classia Towers are 1 of the best towers I've heard for under $1k,but the 525T's are better,they are the best speaker that I've heard for under $1k tower or standmount,except of course the X-static but it doesent play on a level playing field with speakers in this pricerange and the shipping would put you over $1k,unless there's a sale on them which with all the awards as of late probably wont happen anytime soon,but it doesent matter the 525T is a highway robbery right now at $299 a pair and their even a steal at there retail price. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2106 Registered: Jun-05 | Art you comment about having to spend considerably more,the X-static is proof that you dont have to it will wax many speakers that cost consderably more them and everything near its pricerange i had the money to get the Opus2's and i didnt because of them and to a degree the 525T does to i would love to hear them go head to head with the Arro's and the Rega RS3 & RS5 my money will be on the 525T's. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9887 Registered: Feb-05 | I believe I was clear that I hadn't heard them. I think we've been talking about different speakers as well. When comparing the Evo's I've been talking about the standmount 525...the one that in the only comparison that I've read didin't siginificantly better the Aperions. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2107 Registered: Jun-05 | Well maybe we all ought to put a lil change together and order the 525 monitor at 175 a pair we ought to be able to come up with enough to get them and send them around to everyone.I owned the Aperion 4T it to is stellar performer at its price of $650 a pair and considerable better than the 4B and 5B monitors but it will get considerably outperformed by the 525T and at $350 less no contest.There has been plenty of shootouts on the forums with all three montitors and the 525M is usually the consensus choice.If we are talking about the Monitor than its a monster deal at $175 a pair,value wise a better deal than the Evo's especially from what i heard,that it outperformed them.But at $125 more the Tower is considerable better than all of them,and probably the best deal going in speakers right now at $299 a pair,but all of us pitching in getting a pair of the monitors to send around is a pretty good idea,and it would be fun. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 194 Registered: Jan-09 | Scintillating conversation. I will wait for Sean to compare the 10's and 525's. This is the comparison I want to hear about since these will be the speakers I will choose between should I decide to make a move. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2108 Registered: Jun-05 | Yes,it will be interresting,but im pretty sure what the results will be,the Encore SLS is something to consider to at $269 a pair,a pair of these and the Encore center and maybe a pair of X-omni's for the rear will be in my house tomorrow to start my home theater,but i am thinking about the 5.0 ELT deal to for $599. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9888 Registered: Feb-05 | Did Sean buy the floorstander or the standmount...I'm a just a bit confused. Are the prices on the AV123 site per pair or individual? Nowhere that I found is that clear on their website. |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 195 Registered: Jan-09 | Art, Sean bought the 525 towers. They are $348 shipped. Prices are per pair. I called them last week to verify prices and shipping. I'm having a hard time believing the 525t's generate that much bass since the cabinet is only 6 inches wide and 10 inches deep. That seems really narrow and I thought it took a bigger cabinet to make more bass. Maybe the height of the tower makes up for that. The other thing that concerns me is paper treated drivers. I don't know much about drivers so this may be a good thing. |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 2110 Registered: Jun-05 | Sean bought the Florrstander. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2678 Registered: Oct-04 | http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/av123_elt25_5_0.htm "Listening to two-channel music through the ELT525Ts, the first thing that struck me about them was their precise imaging. Also, perhaps because of their 1" fabric-dome tweeters, the tonal balance was very similar to that of my Rockport Miras, which also have 1" soft domes. Jakob Dylan's voice on "I Told You I Couldn't Stop," from his Seeing Things (CD, Sony 702328), was full and detailed, while the leading edges of the strings of his acoustic guitar were also detailed, as well as sharp. However, while those edges were sharp, the natural decay of each pluck wasn't quite as clean as what I'm used to hearing from more expensive speakers. The stomping of Dylan's foot at the beginning of the track was also reproduced with a clear, hard thud, but its weight lacked the presence I've grown accustomed to through the far more expensive Miras. It sounded as if the ELT525Ts alone were able to play slightly below 60Hz in my room -- not bad for an inexpensive floorstander. At the end of the day, with a good sub properly positioned and integrated with their output, the ELT525Ts made wonderful full-range sound." |
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Silver Member Username: HawkbillyNova Scotia Canada Post Number: 583 Registered: Jul-07 | Beauty is in the ear of the listener. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9889 Registered: Feb-05 | 60 hz...hmm. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9890 Registered: Feb-05 | I think one of posted this already but just in case. http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/viewpoint/0808/nearfield21.htm |
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Silver Member Username: MordecaiTexas Post Number: 196 Registered: Jan-09 | I read both of those reveiws last week and didn't think it matched up with Tawaun's review. I thought about what Art said about sounding different not necessarily better and that is why I decided to wait to hear Sean's review. My Acculine A2's have to 5.25 drivers and a similar size cabinet (width and depth) as the 525T and their bass is not any better than the Evo 8's. I'm leaning more toward the 10's but I may wait for the next sale or find some used ones in black. Unless Sean's review changes my mind of course. I didn't care for the sound of the XLS Encores I demo'd a year ago. Of course, I've learned much more about what sound I like and have better equipment to drive my speakers. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9897 Registered: Feb-05 | I replaced my Solidsteel stands with my Atacama Nexus 6's and just like the Diamond 9.1's the Wharfedales seem to like these stands better than the others. A little better bass and cleaner more stable sound. Both stands are supposed to be 24 inches however the Atacama's are an inch taller. Don't get me wrong the Solidsteel' are every bit as good as the Atacama's, some stands just work better with specific speakers than others. The Epos ELS 3 is happier with the Solidsteel's. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9898 Registered: Feb-05 | These are the stands that I have to choose from. Solidsteel ZR-6, Italian made. http://www.solidsteel.it/scheda.php?lingua=ita&codserie=&codpro=14 Studio Tech SP-24 http://www.racksandstands.com/StudioTech-SP-24-B-SO0009.html http://www.studiotech.com/products/speaker_stands/sp_series/index.html Atacama Nexus 6 http://www.atacama-audio.co.uk/nexus.htm My Nexus 6 are the Graphite color. All very nice budget speaker stands. I also have 3 pair of Wood Technology stands in 12, 16 and 26 inch. |
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