The McIntosh is here...
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2229 Registered: Feb-07 | FINALLY! Stay tuned... |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9074 Registered: Feb-05 | A tease...what's up with that...pics please!!! |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2230 Registered: Feb-07 | Sorry Art. Gotta wait till I get the kids to bed. Want to give the task my undivided attention. |
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Silver Member Username: SoundgameRichmond Hill Toronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 682 Registered: Jun-08 | Wicked...my hands rubbing together and drool running down the side of my lips...oh I guess it's dinner time too. Did you get the champagne...oops sorry the Kentucky bourbon? |
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Silver Member Username: SoundgameRichmond Hill Toronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 683 Registered: Jun-08 | Oh, and the name....I gotta know her name? LOL |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1803 Registered: May-06 | David, The MAC is calling out to you... we can all hear it... how can't you? |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2232 Registered: Feb-07 | I stopped at the LCBO today before I knew the Mc was in man. No bourbon tonight, but I have lots of beer! No name yet George, I gotta get to know her first, ya know? |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2233 Registered: Feb-07 | Soon Mike... |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2234 Registered: Feb-07 | I've taken lots of photos, though :-) |
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Silver Member Username: HawkbillyNova Scotia Canada Post Number: 533 Registered: Jul-07 | Sweet. Just remember, you won't hear the best from her for a bit. But I expect it will start out good, and only get better. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9077 Registered: Feb-05 | "No name yet George, I gotta get to know her first, ya know?" Biblically...does your wife know.. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2060 Registered: Nov-05 | Well, at least you'll be able to turn 'her' on Dave! LOL! |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1804 Registered: May-06 | M.R. Its more like the Cadillac commercial here in the states, when you turn it on does it turn you on? Well David, does it? (David's probably spent the night with it already, bet his wife hadn't figured on that...LOL) |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2235 Registered: Feb-07 | It's funny that you mention that Michael. When my wife came home and saw the huge McIntosh crate in the living room she said "I guess I'm not going to see very much of you tonight, huh?". And she didn't. After the kids were in bed I listened to music till 11:30. WAY past my bedtime. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2236 Registered: Feb-07 | "Well, at least you'll be able to turn 'her' on Dave! LOL!" Haha, I just saw this post M.R. Well, I have 2 kids so I at least know I turned her on at least twice ;-) |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13401 Registered: May-04 | . " Well, I have 2 kids so I at least know I turned her on at least twice." Your wife told you that, did she?  https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/555688.html . |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2237 Registered: Feb-07 | OK, so here's my initial thoughts on my new amp (this should probably go under the "Integrated" section since the 6300 is an integrated, but what the hell). It took me quite awhile to get it unpacked - the packaging was impressive. Double boxed and actually fastened to reinforced cardboard on the bottom with long screws. I listened last night for about 3 1/2 hours. The first track I played on it was "To Live is to Die" from Metallica. It's one of my favourite songs, and what I use to evaluate new gear since I'm so familiar with it. The McIntosh takes ah old of my Sttafs and controls them with AUTHORITY. I am still in awe of how powerful and clear the music sounds. I was also listening to "One" from "And Justice for All..." and I heard stuff I'd never heard before (and I've owned this album for 20 years!). I heard very clear reverb in Hetfield's voice between staccato phrases. I tried out a bunch of different types of music (well as different as I care to get). Some metal, some acoustic, some electronic and some classic rock (Dark Side of the Moon). The amount of bass that I'm hearing is impressive too. I took your guy's advice and removed the sub from my system. I don't need it anymore. My wife even noticed how good it sounded - she was upstairs working and commented on how clear the music sounded, even being on another floor in the house. I'm running the Mc right now since my dealer recommended the usual 100 hour break in period. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11692 Registered: Dec-04 | Sick day David? |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2238 Registered: Feb-07 | Working from today Nuck, so I get to enjoy my Mc and keep my per diem. |
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Silver Member Username: SoundgameRichmond Hill Toronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 684 Registered: Jun-08 | Pictures, pictures, pictures? So it sounds like you're already hearing more in the music and the sound is great. Your comment just confirm my impressions of Mc i.e. exception bass performance. I've heard Mc on B&W, Magnepan, NHT and some 80's Sound Dynamics and each time, regardless of the speaker, the bass was something notable. I know it's still early, the babe hasn't even been broken, but would you say it's already a noticeable step up from your Bryston gear? Warmer, more detailed... |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2239 Registered: Feb-07 | I don't know if it's a step up from the Bryston stuff. It's very different. Bryston is very clear, clinical, neutral and precise. The Mc is clear too, but imparts a warmer flavour to the mix. Like I mentioned, the most noticeable is the control it has over the music. It really takes command of the speakers. I also noticed the soundstage is HUGE. The music seems to be coming from at least 3 feet from the speakers, and sounds deeper, almost like it's coming from behind the speakers. They disappear... I have to download the photos from my camera. I'll try get on that today. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2061 Registered: Nov-05 | Congrats Dave, it sounds wonderful. I remember going from the NAD C162/C272 to the MF A5 - it was like a curtain opened and freed the music. An exaggeration maybe, but the difference and improved quality was noticed by my wife also. Sure I'd like a Mac, but I have no intention of giving up my amp (or paying the sort of money it takes for a Mac here). You have many hours of musical pleasure ahead especially as she runs in. Now keep her turned on won't you? LOL! |
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Silver Member Username: HawkbillyNova Scotia Canada Post Number: 534 Registered: Jul-07 | Your characterization of the differences between Bryston and Mc are exactly what I would have expected. Both built exceedingly well, but for very different audiences. Of the two I'd be very much in the Mc camp, although I respect the heck out of Bryston gear, it just isn't for me. |
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Silver Member Username: Unbridled_idChicagoUsa Post Number: 447 Registered: Mar-04 | Did the Mac allow you to hear bass on the Justice album? |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2240 Registered: Feb-07 | LOL. Funny guy. The Mc is good, but it can't make bass where it ain't. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2241 Registered: Feb-07 | Finally some photos! http://picasaweb.google.ca/dbmdata/MyNewMcIntosh# |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11695 Registered: Dec-04 | Great stuff David! |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2242 Registered: Feb-07 | Thanks Nuck! Heading down to the man-room again tonight with some beers after the kids are in bed. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2424 Registered: Oct-04 | Congratulation! Does the MA6300 accept TM2 AM/FM HD Radio tuner module? |
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Gold Member Username: Nickelbut10Post Number: 2386 Registered: Jun-07 | BOING!!! That is sweet David. Nice new Rack? Amazing amp bud. Beautiful. You and I have the same pajama pants and slippers man. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2243 Registered: Feb-07 | Ha. That's hilarious Nick. Nope, I've had the rack for awhile now. I had all my Bryston gear on it before. Chris, I have no idea what a TM2 AM/FM HD Radio tuner module is, so I'm going have to say maybe? |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2425 Registered: Oct-04 | http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/mcintosh-tm2-tuner-module.asp |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2063 Registered: Nov-05 | She looks really great Dave, lovely blue eyes and all. But Lord knows how you managed to turn her on in those jammies! |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9093 Registered: Feb-05 | Very nice David! |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1806 Registered: May-06 | David, You will be surprised how often you can listen to the 6300 with the meters peaking at the level you have in your pics. Then again you will be amazed how it sounds when the meters are between 100 and 200!!! |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2244 Registered: Feb-07 | I can't imagine that. I've yet to see them peak over 7 watts, and that was plenty loud! |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11709 Registered: Dec-04 | I cant let it go Nick. Pointing out that you have the same jammies and bunny slippers as Dave wasn't really necessary, was it? Dude, I am having a party this summer and you two in a tent with matching sleeping caps would just make nightmares. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11710 Registered: Dec-04 | The tuner module is for MA6600 and future, the blurb says. Nice Mac tuners to be had, but old Kenwood and...err...are better. Tivoli table radios are available with USB... |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2246 Registered: Feb-07 | I think Nick and I would look very sexy in our matching jammies and bunny slippers. I know where we can get more Nuck. You can get in on the look too. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11712 Registered: Dec-04 | Stop it ok? Just stop it, I have to be up early to pick up a stove and I need to sleep. after I wash my hands |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2247 Registered: Feb-07 | Did you dream of bunny slippers last night Nuck? LOL. No Mc listening last night - was too wiped to do anything after day of activities with the kids. Sunday is my usual music listening night, so I'll be down there for a few hours giving the Mc a workout. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11715 Registered: Dec-04 | I passed out fine, Dave. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2249 Registered: Feb-07 | Nice work Nuck. It must have taken more than a few Pabst, huh? |
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Gold Member Username: Nickelbut10Post Number: 2387 Registered: Jun-07 | LOL we sure would David. Nuck, don't even worry about buying a pair for yourself I will just bring you some.LOL What color did you want? |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2251 Registered: Feb-07 | I think Nuck would look good in some fuzzy pink ones. Man, what happened to this thread? lol. |
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Gold Member Username: Nickelbut10Post Number: 2389 Registered: Jun-07 | LOL!!!! |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11728 Registered: Dec-04 | I would really like to hear these Mani-2's on Mc power again. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2427 Registered: Oct-04 | Next time you're in NYC, we can do that at Lyric Hi-Fi. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2257 Registered: Feb-07 | Pack 'em in your suitcase the next time you're in Eastern Ontario. |
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Silver Member Username: SoundgameRichmond Hill Toronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 685 Registered: Jun-08 | de gorgeous, is all I have to say! A big congrats, once again. That lovely lady looks wonderful sitting up there on her pedestal where she should be. Happy listening! We'll have to get the reports in as she slowly breaks herself in. Oh...BTW...nice p.j. Looking comfortable. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11754 Registered: Dec-04 | anything new dave? How solid is that amp mounted? Dave might need some amp support there! |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2265 Registered: Feb-07 | Things are good Nuck. I've been enjoying the McIntosh nightly since Sunday. The stand it's on is very solid and stable. Since the kids play down there I tested the tip factor, and it would take a whole gaggle of very determined and organized 6 year olds to tip it over. I like it on the top shelf cause (a) it gets lot of breathing space that way (b) it's out of reach of my daughter, and © it deserves to be on top :-) I tried it out with a sub again the other night, and I can't decide what I like better. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11755 Registered: Dec-04 | Lots of time to decide, man. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2266 Registered: Feb-07 | You bet. Right now I have the sub connected via the speaker level inputs. Does this compromise the signal to speakers (ya know, having to pass thru a plate amp)? |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2071 Registered: Nov-05 | Uh oh, David! I see a decent pair of transmission line PMC's coming. Low hz, no sub needed, great sound. That's the upside. You know the downside :-) Any extra connection in the chain always degrades the signal, but how much so that it will be a bother - that's the question? |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2268 Registered: Feb-07 | That's my concern M.R. I also had to use lower gauge speaker cable to rig up the sub since the inputs on the sub wouldn't accept 10 AWG wire. But then again, I know now that huge gauge speaker cable may not always be the way to go. I may pick up a couple of good quality Y cables and run the sub off the pre-outs and see if I like that better. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11762 Registered: Dec-04 | David, you are not running the main speakers from the crossover on the sub amp?!? |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2270 Registered: Feb-07 | I don't think so Nuck. I ran the speaker wires from the amp to the speaker level inputs on the sub, then the speaker level outputs to the speakers. Wouldn't these connection bypass the sub's x-over? |
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Bronze Member Username: ChrisgwdCalifornia Post Number: 34 Registered: Aug-06 | Hey David...Congratulations!! I am pertty partial to Mac gear. It has a great sound to my ears. Maybe because I share a common birthplace. I was born in Binghamton, NY???? I currently have a 7.1 system with an MC7300 powering the mains and a MC7106 putting bridging 2 channels into the center and the remaining 4 on the surrounds and rears. Oh, and I recently put an MC431m in my car, one of my other hobby / sinkholes...  Enjoy that integrated! Chris |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11765 Registered: Dec-04 | No David, your sub XO is in the way. Run your heavy wires to the speakers, then add another set from the amp(or speakers) to the sub high level input. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2271 Registered: Feb-07 | Oh crap. Well that's not good Nuck. It's a moot point now anyway, though. I went out today and bought some Y splitters for the pre-out jumpers, so I can run the sub from there. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2272 Registered: Feb-07 | Thanks Chris! My dealer recently visited the McIntosh facilities in Binghamton. Now THAT would have been neat. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11767 Registered: Dec-04 | You will like the results, David, I am sure. |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1821 Registered: May-06 | David, I think this could work better for you. Run the pre-out to the back of these;  Plug these into your amp-in, then run your RCAs to the sub out of the top of these. http://www.audiogear.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?key=ADPT-2RCFRCMTGLD&preadd=action I have an extra set of these, better quality than the ones here. PM me if you want them. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2273 Registered: Feb-07 | PM inbound Mike |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9165 Registered: Feb-05 | So I was showing my wife your new Mac...both here and at the Mac website and she said "don't they make tube amps too" yes baby they do "the tube amp you had was the best sounding amp you ever had...when it was right"...ok yeah "well so when you get a Mac in a couple of years why not get a tube integrated" a tube what?! "integrated, you know the all in one job"...costs more "so what you'll be keeping it for life right"...right "so why not get what you want"...yeah I can see that (little Mac amps dancing in my mind), well we'll see in a couple of years. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2284 Registered: Feb-07 | That's awesome Art! You have a very special woman (as do I). What model are looking at? The 2275? I'm already thinking tube power amp to compliment my 6300, like maybe a 275. But then again, I should quit while I'm ahead. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9168 Registered: Feb-05 | Yep the 2275...big and heavy! |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2291 Registered: Feb-07 | 77 lbs... ouch. What's the going price on one of those? |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11806 Registered: Dec-04 | If you have to ask... |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1837 Registered: May-06 | Something not quite so expensive and IMO a fairly good deal: http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1242414591&/Mcintosh-mc7300-soli d-state-am |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11816 Registered: Dec-04 | About 3k more than the 6300 man. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11817 Registered: Dec-04 | Thats a smokin'deal for local pickup Mike! |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1838 Registered: May-06 | That's a smokin' deal plus shipping too! |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11818 Registered: Dec-04 | CM, run over the bridge and grab it! |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2451 Registered: Oct-04 | I wish I could, but I'm a bit tight on recompense. On a side note, some of you might remember I had a friend that had a MC249 & MX110 circa 1966 that haven't been plugged in since the 70s that I was offered, but since I'm not in a position to adopt a tube amp in need of resuscitation at this time, even a classic McIntosh, she's asked me to sell it for her. If anyone is interested, let me know. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2452 Registered: Oct-04 | Oh, by the way http://www.audioweb.com/P/PInfo.asp?pid=158206 |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2315 Registered: Feb-07 | Just saw this now Chris. That's a really good price... tempting. If I hadn't just blown the budget on the 6300. BTW, it might just be me, but the Mac is starting to sound a bit different now. I'm not sure if I'm just getting used to it's sound or if it's really "breaking in". It sounds deeper and more open now every time I listen to it. |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13415 Registered: May-04 | . That's called "relaxed and satisfied, knowing I'll never have to buy another amplifier in my life". |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2318 Registered: Feb-07 | I think that's it Jan :-) |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 3599 Registered: Sep-04 | Congratulations Dave. My suggestion on the naming - Big Bertha... |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2461 Registered: Oct-04 | David, and I just realized that ad was WAY expired! |
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Silver Member Username: WattsssupBarrie, ON Canada Post Number: 298 Registered: Aug-06 | Nah, she's too sexy to be called Bertha, I'm thinking Mandy... |
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Silver Member Username: WattsssupBarrie, ON Canada Post Number: 299 Registered: Aug-06 | Make that sweet Mandy... |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11852 Registered: Dec-04 | Talulah just cause you can |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2320 Registered: Feb-07 | Easy fellas. The Mrs. is gonna get jealous. |
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Silver Member Username: SoundgameRichmond Hill Toronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 704 Registered: Jun-08 | Layla - is my bid for a name. Lovely Layla. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2464 Registered: Oct-04 | Frankie |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13416 Registered: May-04 | . Uh, just how many of you guys have named your amplifiers? |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11863 Registered: Dec-04 | Not me, heavens to Betsy. how aout Betsy? |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2081 Registered: Nov-05 | If I had to give that amp a name, the choice is obvious: MAC! |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11864 Registered: Dec-04 | Mac the Knife? |
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Gold Member Username: StryvnWisconsin Post Number: 1029 Registered: Dec-06 | I named mine as well.... Notnearlya Mac |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11866 Registered: Dec-04 | When I grow up I wanna be a Mac. |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1842 Registered: May-06 | Nope not me, no names. The only names I have for inanimate objects are those adjectives I use when the P.O.S. whatever it is stops working or working right. Oh boy, then there are plenty of names. |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1843 Registered: May-06 | CM, I do not think you are going to sell too many MC249s. Is it a MC250? You may not find much of a market for it. Better off to split it from the MX-110 which for whatever reason goes for a decent buck. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2467 Registered: Oct-04 | The McIntosh MC249 was a one-of-a-kind, hand-built by Frank McIntosh for Richard Nixon, who was a pianist & audio-enthusiast. Actually it's a MC-240. http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/ele/1087671410.html Here's the MX-110. http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/ele/1087672385.html If anyone can help me with the pricing of these units, I'd appreciate it. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11897 Registered: Dec-04 | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/121843-mcintosh_ma6900_integrated_amplifi er_200wpc_wobm_in_great_condition_/ |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2333 Registered: Feb-07 | I think this integrated has been up for sale for a bit. I remember seeing this ad a little while ago. He must have reposted it. Still... it's a good deal. I think you need one Nuck. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11899 Registered: Dec-04 | I ain't biting. Geez, I just cleared all the stuff out! |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1845 Registered: May-06 | Chris, Try this page for info on the MX-110. http://www.roger-russell.com/aboutmc.htm Try this page for pricing though (Audiogon has them listed for $1200 to almost $2000); http://www.audioclassics.com/detail.php3?detail=MX110&nav=cat There was another link with more realistic pricing but I am not finding it tonight. I might have been interested in the MC249 but if you say it is like the 240 then I will not be able to afford it. A local Craigslist ad had a 240 at $900. I was one phone call too late. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11900 Registered: Dec-04 | That guy listed the 6900 at 4400 for a few weeks and garnered an offer of 3300$. The CAM site is kinda notorious for cheapskates. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11903 Registered: Dec-04 | http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/121898-mcintosh_set/ |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2470 Registered: Oct-04 | I might have been interested in the MC249 too. The issue is pricing these things, both the MC240 & MX110, are their present condition; that being uncleaned & untested. She also has a full assortment of additional tubes, I assume OEM: 4-RCA (McIntosh Label) 6L6GC 1-GE 12AX7 1-GE Compactron 6KD6 1-McIntosh by RCA 66-09 1-Telefunfen ECF82/6U8 I am similarly uncertain as to how to price these out? |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2471 Registered: Oct-04 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem%26item%3D190295759728&ssPageName=A DME:B:SS:US:1123 |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2472 Registered: Oct-04 | I'm thinking $1500 for both & the tubes might be a fair asking price? |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13427 Registered: May-04 | . You can't price tubes unless you can guarantee their performance. You'll need a functioning tube tester to do that and you'll need to know how to use it. Or, you'll have to find someone to test the tubes for you. I suspect the McIntosh labeled tubes are original tubes that have been replaced and the old tubes were kept for spares. The other tubes might be the same or might be NOS spares. Thirty years ago McIntosh was still doing their annual performance clinics in McIntosh dealer's showrooms and Davey O'Brien would have replaced tubes that were in need and handed the old tubes to the client. Unless you can prove these tubes are as good as new, then you might as well consider them to be bad (at least not up to spec in the McIntosh circuit) and place no value on them. The two pieces do not show well in the pictures. I wouldn't suggest you start cleaning them because you can damage the lettering if you take anything other than a damp towel (wet with nothing but water) - which might not remove the accumulated grunge - and then the value of the amp goes down when the lettering is lost. Knowledgeable people interested in vintage Mac will want to know the condition of the lettering on both units. You'll probably also be asked about service records, particularly for the tuner in the 110. But you can't even tell someone whether these components work. Don't price them with units you see on line that are not in the same condition. And don't plug them in to see if they work. Units that have sat for thirty years cannot be plugged into a 120VAC outlet and hit with that sort of voltage, they need to be brought up to operating voltage slowly on a test bench. They might work fine for you if you just plug them in but they will probably have leaky caps in about a week after you send them off. While its great to see a dead stock unit these days, not many people expect a dead stock unit that hasn't been powered up in thirty years to actually work well - yeah, I suppose some people do but they will be disappointed. These components are going to need servicing which can be expensive to do right. You need to know a bit more about the units and price them according to their actual condition not what you see a prime unit getting. If you can find any of the Mac clinic test reports that were handed to the client that would be a selling point. Retailers like Audio Classics will buy them outright. There's also a retailer who advertises in TAS and sometimes Stereophile who gives a reasonable price for vintage Mac. . |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2473 Registered: Oct-04 | Any idea if $1500 is a realistic asking price for the whole lot? |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13429 Registered: May-04 | . http://www.audioclassics.com/detail.php3?detail=MX110&nav=cat http://www.audioclassics.com/detail.php3?detail=MC240&nav=cat $1500 would, IMO, be a tad cheap for "as is". The amp should bring the most from the two pieces you have. Judging from the AC listing, I would say you could ask at least $1,000-1,200 for it in its present condition. I think AC would probably give you $800-900 to buy it for their own sale. The 110 might bring in $600-800 "as is". If the units could be cleaned to look in better condition, not by you necessarily but by the buyer, they would have more appeal. Look them over and assess their potential. Pitted chrome, nicks in the transformer pots ( I can see some marks on the top of the 240's transformers), a glass front on the 110 that is not in good shape (the picture looks like this one is pretty good) and missing lettering deduct from the sales price. The walnut case on the 110 is an "add" of about $50-100 if it's in very good shape. The metal tube cage on the 240 adds about the same amount. Both were options that many buyers didn't go for so having the originals is like having the original floormats and trunk mat on a '67 Mustang fastback. You can get on line to see just what the lettering on the units should look like. If nothing in the informational lettering is missing, then the units are worth a bit more. Lettering can be replaced, however, so this is cosmetic and only really adds if it's all original and all there as it came from the factory. From what I see they both look like they would clean up very well. Operationally, I would expect both units to work if they were working when they were last used. But caps dry out and parts oxidize. Most people who buy vintage Mac either want it as close to stock as possible or they want a good looking unit they can bring up to date. It looks like yours would fit either bill. If you have someone who can bring them up to full power on a test bench to verify their operational status, you'll be able to get more money. I would either consider having the units cleaned and made operational without spending lots of money to get the maximum amount for them selling them together as deadstock units if that's possible - that buyer will want to know what has been done as far as past repairs, has the unit been changed in any way from stock. You know "do the numbers match"? Or, to sell them with the least amount of hassle and still get a good return, push the fact they are dead stock - if that's possible - and probably go a bit above your $1500 with the cage and cabinet. At $1500 I suspect you'll sell both together in a short amount of time. Both the units should be rather easy to sell but I would try to keep them as a pair if possible. Give Audio Classics a call and get their opinion too. . |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13430 Registered: May-04 | . http://www.nysshometheater.com/content/newsletter_details.asp?ArticleID=5 This page is screwed. The description doesn't match the model number. In their TAS ad from 11/07 they quote a 240 as "buy: $1,400" and "sell: $1575". The numbers on the 110 are $500/600. I've not seen anyone selling vintage Mac this cheap if the units are in good condition. . |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2475 Registered: Oct-04 | Thanks Jan, all this will be very helpful. |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1850 Registered: May-06 | CM, saw your listings on CL. Good luck buddy! Let us know how you make out. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11922 Registered: Dec-04 | Another one gets the bug! I wanna see how CM does shopping! |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2347 Registered: Feb-07 | Me too! Hey, while we're on the whole McIntosh thing, here is my first stupid question of the day (as far as I know). If I get a Mac power amp down the road (thinking tubes - MC275?), and I use my MA6300 as a pre, will the pretty blue meters be bypassed on the 6300? Cause that would suck. |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1852 Registered: May-06 | No David, because if you buy a MC-275 you will sell or trade your MA-6300 in on a C-220 or C-2200. |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13438 Registered: May-04 | . The meters on a McIntosh power amplifier are typically reading input voltage to the power amp, if I remember correctly. Which makes the meters not completely accurate as the load impedance swings around, the meters are good and much better than most but still on dynamic passages more for show than go. Mac has never before built an integrated amp with power meters so I don't know exactly where their feed sits in the circuit. You could call McIntosh and ask them for an answer or you could just unplug the pre/main jumpers and see what happens to the meters. I suspect they will stop working. . |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2348 Registered: Feb-07 | Thanks Jan. Mike, the MC-275 is more of a pipe dream for now. The 6300 is more than enough for me for the time being. |
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Silver Member Username: Jazzman71Phoenix, AZ USA Post Number: 601 Registered: Dec-07 | That's called "relaxed and satisfied, knowing I'll never have to buy another amplifier in my life". ..."have" of course being the operative word. |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13460 Registered: May-04 | . http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/specialedition/default.asp |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9280 Registered: Feb-05 | Yep. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2486 Registered: Oct-04 | I just saw those in window of the Stereo Exchange in NYC while I was driving by and couldn't figure out why they were showcasing what I thought was vintage McIntosh gear in the window. I will make sure to stop in next week. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9283 Registered: Feb-05 | Those are beautiful... |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11963 Registered: Dec-04 | I put my name on the mailing list for info...didnt really need a car anyhow, and this is likely a better investment. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2354 Registered: Feb-07 | A car is not an investment Nuck, it's a liability. The Mac will take you further. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11964 Registered: Dec-04 | Agreed, Dave. I am waiting for a price. Really. I think 23k C$ |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2355 Registered: Feb-07 | Ouch! still... it's something you have for a lifetime. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11967 Registered: Dec-04 | The investment value is pretty good, plus I like it. The taxes are brutal. I am looking to contact a US dealer and drive across from NY or Vermont. Free Trade? |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1857 Registered: May-06 | I got on that list a couple of days ago. Figured if I got to get one I could sell it like a winning lottery ticket and buy something more suited for my particular set up. No way I could afford it at the prices Nuck suggested. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11969 Registered: Dec-04 | Thinking public transit |
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Silver Member Username: SoundgameRichmond Hill Toronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 713 Registered: Jun-08 | $23,000!!!!! That's a pretty painful $/watt ratio but I guess if it's an investment. My lifetime investment in audio is nowhere close to there....yet. LOL |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2104 Registered: Nov-05 | Shirley, you can't be serious guys! |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9300 Registered: Feb-05 | You say that now MR....tomorrow we'll be hearing how you scored some of that rare Mac...don't be playin' us now! |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2356 Registered: Feb-07 | Don't call me Shirley. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2105 Registered: Nov-05 | I wish Art. That would be a heck of a rig. Dave - you're not Shirley? |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1858 Registered: May-06 | Nuck and I discussed this earlier and he had a couple of what I thought were good points. McIntosh is mass selling these to various countries with a "limited" distribution. This is limited distribution might be their biggest production at one time ever. He is thinking they will get 40-50% upfront and tell you to wait for your amp. Then they can go buy the parts with your cash. Then when they finish the product you pay the balance, all profit. That is mostly what we were talking about. If I could get one I would flip the opportunity to purchase it immediately he would buy it and wait 3 years or so to sell it. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2108 Registered: Nov-05 | Yes, I think they are very optomistic if they think they are going to sell 60 sets per country especially in this economic climate. How many countries are there? |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11976 Registered: Dec-04 | say 100 or so. This is a mass build for Mac, with the attendant lowering od cost, and selling at a premium. The units will be snapped up quick, if not already pre-ordered, I think. Will post when I get a response. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2359 Registered: Feb-07 | Going back to MR's point. I was recently at my dealer's and I suggested that they must not be selling very many Macs these days due to the economic climate. He said that that sales were great, in fact, they were selling more than ever. Who knows if it's true or not. Same thing at my local aquarium store. The owner tells me business is booming. "Recession, what recession?" he says. Goes to show that people are still spending money or luxury or recreational items. I know I am. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2487 Registered: Oct-04 | I had a chance to lay my eyes, but regretfully not my ears, on that 60th Anniversary McIntosh gear today.    |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 11979 Registered: Dec-04 | Great CM....see a $ tag? hehe If you have to ask... |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2488 Registered: Oct-04 | It was sold already, but they said they had two more on order (They said they were able to procure three). What exactly is the going rate for a black-market kidney these days? They also had a pair of maple Mani-2 sig. on display, but they too where not ready to go, and I didn't feel the need to jerk the salesman around and ask him to hook them up. Maybe next time. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2361 Registered: Feb-07 | Sold already? Like I said... recession? what recession? LOL. Vey nice Chris. |
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Gold Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 3229 Registered: May-05 | Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all, but I really don't care for the look of that stuff, especially the pre-amp. I could live with the amps, but not that pre-amp or the other gear they made that looked like it. Looks have nothing to do with sound quality, and in the case of this stuff, thats a good thing. I haven't heard the re-issue stuff, but I've heard the originals restored by Mac. They sound phenominal. Better than just about anything currently on the market IMO. The stuff with the blue meters is by far the best looking stuff on the market IMO. If I were going Mac, the stuff that looks like David's is what I'd be looking at. |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13462 Registered: May-04 | . The pre amp looks better than the new Camaro and way better than the new Challenger. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2489 Registered: Oct-04 | Both units look great, but I wish McIntosh had opted to use the same "triple polished gold colored titanium stainless steel" on the C22 as they did on the MC75. And yes, the new Camaro is better looking than the new Challerger. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2362 Registered: Feb-07 | I know what you mean Stu. To me, the blue meters defines McIntosh gear. That being said, I really like the retro look of the tube amps like the 75. I think a great combo is a Mac pre-amp with the blue meters and one of the 75/275 tube amps. I haven't seen the Camaro yet. I have seen a few Challengers around town and they look pretty cool. I'm in the market for a new car soon, but sadly a Camaro or Challenger is not on the short list. |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13463 Registered: May-04 | . "I think a great combo is a Mac pre-amp with the blue meters and one of the 75/275 tube amps." Unfortunately, that doesn't exist. McIntosh never built a pre amp with meters unless you count a pre amp tuner with signal strength meters for the tuner - however they weren't blue. But, yeah, I'm kinda partial to the "retro" look of the tube power amps. So partial I own the real thing from the 1960's. The only problem I have with the look of the pre amp is the knobs. McIntosh used a different knob on the original C22, the knobs shown here are from the 1980's style of Mac products. The chrome facias on either side of the face plate are also from the 1990's vintage product. (http://www.roger-russell.com/preamps.htm#c22) And there's no provision for a walnut cabinet - Panlok or not. The little added on "60th Anniversary" tag on the power amps isn't in balance with the rest of the design and looks kinda cheesy. Visually, these pieces could have benefitted from more attention. Now what would be very cool would have been a reintroduced C8S as a dual mono design. It's a hot item on the vintage market right now and pair it with the MC75's or some MC30's. The C22 is "the" vintage Mac pre amp but the C8 with its gold face plate and green knobs is retro to the max! One of these days, I'll get mine out of storage and fix her up. . |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2367 Registered: Feb-07 | Yowzers, that C8 is definitely retro. I need the blue meters... |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2490 Registered: Oct-04 | The 60th Anniversary C22 comes with a remote, so does this mean the new knobs are motorized? I personally love the look of the anniversary gear. I'm also fond of the glow of big blue meters, but I'm partial to the newer units with a more symmetrical design as opposed to those older ones with the meters set to the left. |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13464 Registered: May-04 | . Not sure but I thought McIntosh had moved beyond motorized vc's to using a digitally controlled level set. The vc knob moves but its position is relative to the level set by the circuit, not the other way around. . |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2491 Registered: Oct-04 | I'm thinking more about the source selector knob & rocker switches? |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 13465 Registered: May-04 | . Source selection probably works like any other remote controlled unit if, that is, source selection is included on the remote, it might be just a volume/mute only remote. A few manufacturers feel that is sufficient since you should be getting up to play a different source anyway. Otherwise, the source would be selected by internal switches and the front panel lights will indicate which source has been selected. If you power down the unit, it would revert to the last selected source. The rockers should be controlling tape monitors and tone controls along with the possible remote speaker switching for the accompanying amplifiers. Those wouldn't typically be on a remote control. This is Roger Russell's information on the existing C22 commemorative edition; C-22 Stereo Preamplifier Tube. Commemorative edition. ELECTRICAL: Response 20-20kHz (+0 -0.5dB). Distortion 0.02% IHF. Noise and hum: -90dBa high level, -80dBa re 10mV phono. Output rated 2.5v, 8V max. Input sensitivity and impedance: high level 0.25V at 22k, phono 2.2mV at 47k and 65pF. Individual tone controls: bass and treble +20dB to -20dB. Rumble filter 50Hz at 12dB/octave. HF filter 5kHz at 12dB/octave. Voltage gain 20dB aux, 61dB phono. FRONT PANEL: Glass panel at top. Anodized gold at bottom. Balance, Input selector with indicator lights: tape 2, tape 1, CD, tuner 1, phono 1, phono 2, aux 1, aux 2. Mode selector with indicator lights: L to L+R, R to L+R, stereo rev, stereo, mono (L+R), L+R to L and L+R to R. Volume. Bass controls: left and right, Treble controls: left and right. Speakers switch: off, 1, 2, 1&2. Aux 2 input jack. Headphone jack. Rocker switches: tape 1 and tape 2: normal and monitor, power: on or off, rumble: flat or filter, hf: flat or filter, loudness: normal or compensated. . |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12080 Registered: Dec-04 | $15k USD 1/2 down, remainder on delivery. About what I figgured... |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2149 Registered: Nov-05 | So you placed your order Nuck? |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12081 Registered: Dec-04 | Potentially, M.R. It might be a very safe and fun investment. I have to see about costs here in Nuckland, worth a trip south to pick one up, I have a few US bucks saved up from buying when the Nuckbuck was riding high a while back... |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2526 Registered: Oct-04 | Nuckbucks might be worth more than Greenbacks soon. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12083 Registered: Dec-04 | Never again CM. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 2150 Registered: Nov-05 | Talking about green - I'm turning green . . . . . . with envy! |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12088 Registered: Dec-04 | Not a sure thing by a longshot MR, but a consider. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12089 Registered: Dec-04 | Some investment always come back better than even. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12099 Registered: Dec-04 | Apparantly Lyric Audio in NYC and White Plains NY have the set in stock. I got am email invite to come and audition from the owner. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2464 Registered: Feb-07 | Cool! You gonna go and check it out? |
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Gold Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 3260 Registered: May-05 | Unless you want to be told what you like and what to buy, stay away from Lyric in White Plains. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12100 Registered: Dec-04 | Thanks Stu. I would likely go to NYC for a look. |
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Gold Member Username: ExerciseguyBrooklyn, NY United States Post Number: 2527 Registered: Oct-04 | ...and a beer, perhaps several. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12104 Registered: Dec-04 | I was waiting, CM. You will be the first pre-visit call!! Never go without a wingman and quality ears! |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2570 Registered: Feb-07 | So I was back home visiting my mom a while back, and I mentioned in passing that I bought a new amplifier. My mom asked me about it and I told it was a McIntosh. She recognized the name and told me my dad (who has long passed on) had a McIntosh system that he loved before I was born. I guess the audio thing is in my blood. |
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Gold Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 3292 Registered: May-05 | Even though sometimes it kills us to admit it, we're more like our parents than we think. |
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Gold Member Username: DmitchellOttawa, Ontario Canada Post Number: 2571 Registered: Feb-07 | I realize that more and more the older I get Stu. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 9562 Registered: Feb-05 | Same here David. |
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Gold Member Username: Mike3Wylie, Tx USA Post Number: 1946 Registered: May-06 | I'm already on record that the sound I feel best about (tubes) is reminiscent of what I heard from my Grandfather's kit as I was growing up. |
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Platinum Member Username: NuckPost Number: 12376 Registered: Dec-04 | I grew up on Mom's music, played through some kind of phono cabinet deal, dont remember. A lot of Opera and some older stuff. Never could appreciate Opera. Still the same at her place now, but with Rotel cdp (for her hearing) and Psb standmounts, with a receiver. If i resemble my Dad at all, and work habits would seem so, I will be dead in...3...2...1 |
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