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Silver Member Username: DanmanQUEBEC CANADA Post Number: 672 Registered: Apr-04 | I have an Onkyo TX-SR603 and had the chance to compare to a brand new T763 NAD this week-end. The reason I got this chance is because something went wrong with the Composite Output on my Onkyo and while it was under repair, my dealer lent me the NAD. To make a long story short, I preferred the Onkyo!!! Go figure! I am a NAD fanatic in audio but only recently began experimenting with Home Theatre and decided not to buy big at first. I have great speakers so it is easy to compare. Don't get me wrong here, the NAD is very dynamic and has a little more clarity and depth BUT not worth the extra 800$ in my opinion. At the same time, my dealer announced to me that he decided to replace my Onkyo (no charge) with a new model TX-SR605 this week and it has all the bells and whistles, HDMI, Blue-Ray and HD-DVD ready etc.... There was such a subtle difference that I was amazed to say the least! The Onkyo is quite a performer and my dealer said my problem was an exception as he has never had receivers come back very often. I really love NAD equipment but I feel they are behind the ball in AV Receivers and at the price it was selling for, it was not worth it at all! Musically, the NAD blows away the Onkyo but that is why I don't use it for music. I will ALWAYS keep these two formats seperate, NAD's are great here and I am well equipped. I am very happy that I don't have to spend a few grand to get great home theatre sound. I am surprised! Looking forward to getting the new one this week. |
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Bronze Member Username: PabloPost Number: 67 Registered: Mar-06 | I had NAD 743 running totem Arro's for a year just for music. Something was missing and I started blaming Arro's. Just recently on my dealer advice and a deal I could not refuse (got full money credit for year old NAD) I got Arcam AVR280. Ok it is more then a double the price of the 743 but now Arro's are really singing. This set up is fabulous. And not sub! I used totem tress cable and byamping. I will newer buy NAD again Pablo |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 2161 Registered: Sep-04 | Danman Onkyo is a pretty good make. Their AV receivers are fairly powerful, more so than would appear at first sight. That said, as you mentioned, they're not as musical as the NADs and if this is an issue, then the NAD comes back into the frame (and not many others do). By the way, I was surprised to hear recently that Onkyo is the biggest selling brand in Japan. Pablo, don't forget that you're comparing the lowest NAD receiver from two years ago to the brand new entry level model from Arcam. It's not really fair to judge NAD as a product range on the basis of this comparison. After all, Arcam don't make anything as cheap as the 743 - not even a CD player or tuner! NAD make some excellent kit. Their entry level CD players and stereo amplifiers are more musical than others at the same price and that price is lower than any specialist brand like Arcam or Rega, so they do some things right. Regards, Frank. |
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Silver Member Username: DanmanQUEBEC CANADA Post Number: 673 Registered: Apr-04 | Frank, don't get me wrong! It takes a lot for me to be pulled from NAD. I just did not get any difference that would bring me to buying it comapared to the Onkyo! I am surprisig myself here believe me! I did not know that Onkyo was that big! I do know that they are coming out with some new line up that is supposed to be quite interesting. Nad seems to be very quiet these days. Cambridge Audio is taking over quite a large share of what once was NAD's niche these days with there new line up that is very good. I compared a Rega Apollo to the new 740C last week and was blown away by both. I am considering one of them since NAD does not seem to be upgrading their C542. Not sure what is going on. |
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Silver Member Username: DanmanQUEBEC CANADA Post Number: 674 Registered: Apr-04 | By the way Frank, I noticed in your bio that you do not own NAD gear! You seem to have a liking towards them however! I love my audio set-up and with my recent JMLab 926's, it is even better. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 2165 Registered: Sep-04 | Danman, I think they're very well judged kit at their price levels. they're particularly good at the low end in the value for money stakes. I think the C525BEE is a cracking CD player for the money. The C542 is very good value too. In the middle, the C352/372/162/272 have a lot of competition to deal with so those items become less value for money in my view. I haven't heard the Masters series. I had heard the previous Silverline and that was OK but lacked the magic of the lower end stuff I thought. The Masters look very good and beautifully finished inside and out, but if they're the same as the Silverline, they'll miss the mark. The AV gear is pretty good, but it doesn't seem to tread a definite line which means it falls through the buying cracks. You rarely see NAD AV gear being reviewed (their recent DVD universal player was reviewed favourably recently, but that's it). The receivers are powerful and more musical than the other major brands, but they are low on facilities and in that market, this is a problem. Their past DVD player attempts were really rather poor and that has somewhat killed the market for NAD here. I'm sure that NAD have pulled out all the stops for their latest DVD player so it wouldn't surprise me if it were a real giant killer, but I didn't get that impression from the review I read. I admire a lot of kit, but I tend to be looking further up the scale. My system is a fair bit more expensive than the NAD options and the system I have now is quite a bit cheaper than the 2-channel one I came down from. I fancied playign a bit with surround sound basically. I miss the Chord amplification I used to use, but I certainly can't afford that at the moment. I'm also rather partial to Naim equipment but that's also awfully expensive and I'd need loads of space to accommodate all the units. Regards, Frank. |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24Post Number: 205 Registered: Mar-07 | Frank, I do own nadc372, along with c542 cdplayer and musically they sound magnificent.. what I like especially about nad is(stereo,integrated) is that I have found them to be very acoustic sound liking, very realistic kinda of sound, and in terms of monetary value, quite reasonable as well.. Not sure about their a/v line up though, if comparin with the onkyo's... but what I did find in the onkyo's is they can handle alot of power.. Not so far a while ago I was at a showroom, where they had a couple of brands and they had nad'c352 and one of onkyo's stereo amps(not sure abt the model) but the output was the same between them, and I was listening to some rock music on def techs bp10, I had the chance to listen to both of their amps and I turned up the volume really high, doing a comparsion in terms of power, I found the onkyo's delivering more power, to the bp10 and sounded way lounder than the nad... I wonder why?... Suprised to hear that onkyo's is the japs biggest selling brand, outsourcing denon and yamaha... |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4812 Registered: Feb-05 | "Suprised to hear that onkyo's is the japs biggest selling brand, outsourcing denon and yamaha" Was this a mistake or are you just an ignorant fool? |
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New member Username: Daniel_1Post Number: 10 Registered: Apr-06 | Hi all, As i am looking to move from NAD T773 receiver to ARCAM 350 receiver, I audited both ARCAM and NAD amps (as I am more listening to music), and found out that the sound of the NAD amp is more what I am looking for. ARCAM was good but more bright. Now, I am wondering if the NAD amp is not what I am looking. Any advice? Thx, Daniel |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 7410 Registered: Dec-04 | Suprised to hear that onkyo's is the japs biggest selling brand, outsourcing denon and yamaha" I do not understand that line. Outsourcing? Daniel, you might want to start a new thread for the Nad/Arcam comparo. The Arcam 280 is in good service with a coule of members. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4817 Registered: Feb-05 | "japs" Is the part of the line that I hope none of us has any understanding for!!!! |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24Post Number: 206 Registered: Mar-07 | I meant outsell... was a typing error... (u guys r like tigers, all geared to pounce on ur prey..) Was this a mistake or are you just an ignorant fool? (now was that ignorant fool necessary to be called for art..) |
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Silver Member Username: Mike3Wiley, Tx USA Post Number: 397 Registered: May-06 | Art, I'm thinking it wasn't a mistake. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 7419 Registered: Dec-04 | We have done this one before, guys. 'japs' is not considered derogatory across the pond, as Frank Abela explained earlier, after being called out on it. I do not know Shane's intentions(at all) but Frank explained that the mentioned term is a simple description of geography and nothing more. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4828 Registered: Feb-05 | I didn't see that descrption but I'm still not impressed. Certain words (I can think of one that starts with "n") are not considered derogatory when used by each other to each other, at least to some of us. Know your audience. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4831 Registered: Feb-05 | BTW it helps to know one's audience if one puts more than just their name in their profile. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 1369 Registered: Nov-05 | Sorry to go off thread but . . . I just hate it when someone calls us aussies - good grief Art! |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24Post Number: 207 Registered: Mar-07 | Its good to know u'll guys can read... it shows u'll went to school... Why make it such an issue by the way... didn't see that descrption but I'm still not impressed. (impressed, what were u expecting, its like u act like u have never made an typing error.. jeez.... give me a break here... Art, lately has become a little hostile it seems.. Art try anger management it helps... |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4834 Registered: Feb-05 | Shane I'm not angry I just hate racists... If you are from accross the pond and "jap" is not a derogatory term for our Japanese friends where you live, I would simply ask that you understand that it is derogatory here. Nuff said... |
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Bronze Member Username: PabloPost Number: 68 Registered: Mar-06 | Sorry but am I reading a Cosmo whining section? or is this Audio Forum? No disrespect to anyone but lets leave these sensitive cry for other forums and lets focus on audio here. Pablo |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4846 Registered: Feb-05 | "Sorry but am I reading a Cosmo whining section?" If you meant no disrespect you certainly went about it disrespectfully. There is no "sensitive cry" here. But I for one will not tolerate racism. If you don't like that then perhaps you should take your 68 posts and hit the road. |
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Bronze Member Username: PabloPost Number: 70 Registered: Mar-06 | did you forget your pill this morning? let me get you some kleenex does cosmo have audio section? Pablo |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 2167 Registered: Sep-04 | For goodness sake Art, that wasn't a racist comment. For it to be racist something derogatory has to be said! Now get off your damned high horse and stop being so bl00dy politically correct just for the damned sake of it. |
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Bronze Member Username: PabloPost Number: 71 Registered: Mar-06 | I say WHATEVER and lets go back to AUDIO!!!!  |
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Gold Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 1877 Registered: May-05 | I'm totally with Art on this one. Frank, I'm assuming that the term "Jap" has no racial significance behind it in your neck of the woods, but it does in ours. Shane hasn't disclosed where he's from, so who knows what his meaning behind it is? Pablo, I'm assuming your are of Hispanic descent. I don't know you're Nationality. How would a Mexican feel if we were discussing products from Mexico, and someone referred to them as 'Wet-Back' products? What was the motivation behind the term "Jap?" Who knows. If Shane said Nig*er, Spic, Kike, Towel-Head, etc, how would everyone react? On our side of the pond, "Jap" is no different. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 1372 Registered: Nov-05 | Stu, Are Aussie, Ocker, Brit, Pom, Pommie, Yank racist remarks? Jap is just a shortening of Japanese - I for one can't see this as derogatory in any way. It certainly isn't here downunder. |
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Bronze Member Username: PabloPost Number: 72 Registered: Mar-06 | again - this is an AUDIO forum not political/rasism/feelings/blah blah most of us are looking here for a technical/expert adwise or give one. Lets stop being sensitive babies. If some one uses a "not correct " term I hope is an honest mistake and treat it like this. And for everyone else - there is always Cosmo Pablo |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24Post Number: 209 Registered: Mar-07 | oh my god, where has this gone to.. I am not a racist, and I meant no disrespect to any nationality or race and stu when are u not on anyones side, u always are and have been against me... like pablo and m.r said japs short for japanese.. I honestly don't see anything wrong with that at all.. people can be quite sensitive to little matters on this forum... If Shane said Nig*er, Spic, Kike, Towel-Head, etc, how would everyone react?... Agreed, people would feel offended, but shane didn't say any of those words.. and honestly i don't have any of those intentions in my mind... period..... |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 2169 Registered: Sep-04 | Exactly Shane! People just read too much into terms and Jap is just short for Japanese, as Brit is short for British, Yank is short for Yankee. There is no racism in calling a coffee black. It's BLACK! There is no racism in calling a coffee white either! But the damned PC lobby just keeps on rolling over our own language and it's pissing me off. |
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Gold Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 1880 Registered: May-05 | Pablo, How do you know no one here is Japanese and wasn't offended by the term? Do you know my Nationality? What if I'm Japanese and I was offended by what was said? Do I have no reason to complain? Should I just shut up, read Cosmo, and get in touch with my feminine side? Or should I take a stand? What if I'm against Racism? Should I just stand back and wait until my culture gets bashed before I say anything? I may not be Japanese, but I know first hand what it feels like to be offended racially. MR, As far as I know none of those are rascist remarks. I understand what you're saying about the term Jap where you're from. As far as I know, the term Jap got its derogatroy meaning and connotation during WWII. At this point it was basically changed from the way you use it to an demeaning insult. Say whatever you want. Over here, Jap is not acceptable. Don't think so? If you're ever here on holiday, call a Japanese person a Jap to their face and see how they react. The response you'll get from them most likely be not be any different than calling a Black Man the N-word. For the record, I'm not too keen on all the politically correct stuff either. But I'm all for everyone feeling and being treated equal. If a group of people feel that calling them a certain term is insulting, then it shouldn't be used. Respect everyone. For you guys over-seas, I'm not trying to hold you accountable for anything that is accepted in your society that isn't accepted in ours. I know your words genuinely don't mean what they mean here. And the question still remains - where is Shane from, and how did he mean it? Also keep in mind Shane's presence here hasn't exactly been squeaky-clean. Could he doing this to get a rise out of everyone? Its not impossible. That's all I have to say about that. |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24Post Number: 210 Registered: Mar-07 | Come on stu, save it will ya... u always have to add that extra fuel to the fire... I am from toronto canada... living in brampton... satisfied.. |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24Post Number: 211 Registered: Mar-07 | Say whatever you want. Over here, Jap is not acceptable. Don't think so?.. U mean united states of america.. is ecoustics.com forums only meant for people living in the states.. I guess not, but for everyone around the planet, to use em.. there are japanese people living all over the world not only in the states to get offended for that matter... I guess ur the mister correctioner, who keeps track of all these petty matters and blows them up.. |
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Gold Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 1881 Registered: May-05 | "I guess ur the mister correctioner, who keeps track of all these petty matters and blows them up.." Things were out of control long before I got involved. Funny thing is, problems seem to follow you around quite nicely. "there are japanese people living all over the world not only in the states to get offended for that matter..." Then why did you say it? You knew people would get offended, yet you said it. I guess we can all blame you for the direction this thread went. You weren't some innocent person using a word you didn't think was a racist insult. Hopefully I've misinterpreted what you've said. Hopefully you're not just a piece of Sh it who used a racist slur. To everyone else, Now do you see my point? |
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Bronze Member Username: PabloPost Number: 73 Registered: Mar-06 | Looks like not just Art but Stu as well forgot to take his pils today. And it is already late afternoon in NY so better open the medicine cabinet Stu ASAP Pablo |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 7425 Registered: Dec-04 | Shane is Canadian. I am sooo embarassed. Signed... Canuck Round-eye Gringo Mick Honkey. Onkyo's products have been the biggest seller in their lines for quite some time, with a large N.A. representation. Their feature array is significant, and SQ and power have improved significantly on recent models. I would have a few in my sights in the high-dollar receiver segment. Not so sure about more pedestrian models, where H/K would be my personal preference. Or maybe shoot the dice on a Emotive(a)? |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4849 Registered: Feb-05 | "Petty matters"...I will contunue to stand up and be counted on these "petty matters", because they matter to me. I'm done. Sorry Danman...I feel that it's important to point out racism when I see it. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 1373 Registered: Nov-05 | As annoying as Shane's posts can sometimes be, it was obvious he was describing the country of the component origin. He was not, imo, delivering a racist remark. It's a shame a thread has to generate into this because someone sees what they want to see and not what is intended. Sorry Art, sorry Stu, but I believe you have gone way overboard on this one. I cannot understand for the life of me how the term 'Japs' can be contrued as racist in the states. The US wasn't the only country that fought them in WW2 and the term here is used as often as Aussies and other endearments. I agree racism should be exposed and erradicated, but it just wasn't in this thread until someone tried to make it so. |
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Silver Member Username: JawPost Number: 108 Registered: Mar-06 | Nuck, lol, am offering, in the best sense of diplomacy, a Molson's, Kirin, and Foster's to our respective friends in Maple Leaf land, Land of the Rising Sun, and folks Down Under. According to this, D&M has the largest share in Kirin Land, page #16 (probably all 3 of the brands combined). http://www.dm-holdings.com/ENG/Docs/Presentation_20060517_en.pdf Harman Kardon has no share to speak of, ditto for NAD. HK is being pandered at Target: http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-3/qid=1180493028/ref=sr_1_3/602-586313 5-2264617?ie=UTF8&asin=B000E7GDTG Also, HK just made a big splash in BB after being dropped at Circuit City. Looks like a company struggling for sales because nobody is buying. I'll take a plain old Miller High Life, Champagne of Bottled Beers. Cheers. |
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Silver Member Username: JawPost Number: 109 Registered: Mar-06 | you can order your undies and HK at Target and ship together. |
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Gold Member Username: KanoBC Canada Post Number: 1201 Registered: Oct-04 | You guys just let me know when I should be insulted if someone refers to me as white instead of Caucasian. Is black ok or are we still doing African American? I'm sorry I lost track trying to keep up with previously known as natives switching to persons of First Nations descent. To me they're all Canadians. He was referring to a market and not even people. "I sure can't sell any lumber in that yank market." Is that racist? I truthfully don't have a clue. I think to qualify this one it would have needed to accompany some sort of negative connotation... It's hard to keep up with the ever changing politically correct dictionary of cultural interaction after all. |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24Post Number: 213 Registered: Mar-07 | Things were out of control long before I got involved. Funny thing is, problems seem to follow you around quite nicely. quite naturally, people like urself have nothin better to do, but keep adding more fuel to fire.. Stu, u stir up all of this and blow it up way out of proportion, making it a big issue out of it.. The real reason behind all of this is you want me of this forum, so u see this as a perfect opportunity in doing so and make the best out of it as possible.. thats the truth(lets face facts shall we).. U pretend as if ur a saint and act so innocent,and behaving more like a child now... As stated earlier, I had no intentions of insulting or offending anyone of any nationality or culture, honestly, so u and ur buddies can just go on whining I don't give a damn What u think or say... |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24Post Number: 214 Registered: Mar-07 | Say whatever you want. Over here, Jap is not acceptable. Don't think so? If you're ever here on holiday, call a Japanese person a Jap to their face and see how they react. I would assume Stu, u mean over here meaning states, so its only in the states that a japanese person would get offended if someone had to put that in short... thats why I said there are japanese people living all over the world not only in the states to get offended for that matter.. And I wasn't aware that Japanese living in the united states get offended if someone had to say that in short to their face, until now that u and art have mentioned it... which I still believe is not a racist remark... To everyone else, Now do you see my point?(stu said)... no... ur very wrong, no one sees ur point now... |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 1374 Registered: Nov-05 | Shane - quit while you're behind. |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24Post Number: 215 Registered: Mar-07 | Stu, u need to go on DR.PHIL MCGRAW show, I feel ur showing early signs of the initial stages of becoming mentally unstable at 30, he sure would have the perfect antidote for u, and would also recommend or arrange for treatment, at his expense... try it out, it sure would help u... |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4851 Registered: Feb-05 | "Sorry Art, sorry Stu, but I believe you have gone way overboard on this one." "I cannot understand for the life of me how the term 'Japs' can be construed as racist in the states." You know what MR, I am not asking you to "get it". You don't have to "get it" to make it so. People are telling you that it is so. You are in essence calling us liars...think before you type. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 1375 Registered: Nov-05 | I said that I don't understand. I am not in essence calling you or anyone else a liar. Can't you read? I believe it is time YOU think before you type Art. Ask someone to remove that damn log on your shoulder so you can see straight! |
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Gold Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 1883 Registered: May-05 | I know no one can really know the tone someone is speaking with when they read a post. This is in no way a heated statement, so please don't read it with a hostile tone of voice in mind... We can get into all the symantic agruements we want as to what the term really means, where it comes from, why it is what it is, and so on. Even if we come up with any agreement amongst ourselves, at the end of the day it doesn't change a single thing. How and why are completely irrevelent. What it IS is completely revelent. The fact remains and will remain is that the term IS offensive to Japanese people here in the States. What it means elsewhere isn't the issue. Being unoffensive and acceptable everywhere else in the world doesn't mean we should accept it. I said before that I didn't hold it against anyone from somewhere else who is unaware of what it means here, and means no racism by it. When you see something like that, you question the motives behind it. Shane didn't indicate where he was from until far after it escalated to its present point. Maybe in Canada it isn't a racist remark. But then again, why was Nuck embarassed? I'm in no position to argue the what is or isn't acceptable anywhere else but where I've lived or spent significant time. Spending a week or two in a place is far from significant. But I'm most certainly in a position to argue what is and isn't socially acceptable where I'm from. I'd have no leg to stand on if I were to comment on what Japanese people feel is or isn't acceptable in the UK, Australia, Canada, or anywhere else I've never been. But on the same token, no one who isn't from nor spent significant time in the States has a leg to stand on when it comes to argueing about what is and isn't acceptable here. Just because I'm not Japanese doesn't mean that I don't know what is or isn't acceptable on this matter. I have several Japanese friends, and I can tell you for a fact that they find the term Jap very offensive. Maybe because it was used in a derogatory way here in the States far too many times? Even if you agree or disagree with it, the fact remains that they're offended by it. Everyone desirves to be treated with equal respect until they break that respect. Calling someone what they don't want to be called is very disrespectable. In some cases the people that are complaining about what they're being called were named by someone else. For example, I have a friend who is Mohawk Indian. She hates being called a Mohawk. Know why? Because someone else named her Tribe that. Mohawk means Man-Eater. How would you like it if your people were re-named by someone else who didn't have a clue as to what you stood for? Getting back to the original war at hand, the term Jap in the States is a racist slur. It doesn't matter why nor how. It only matters that it is. The term is not a racist slur in other parts of the world. I have no problem with it being used by people in other parts of the world so long as its not meant to mean what it means here. But please, do not argue what is and isn't acceptable in a place you've never been. Thats why I (and presumably Art, though I can't speak for him) have been the way we've been. We didn't make this stuff up, nor did we look for something that wasn't there. We were initially taken back by the term used, had no idea it was used in your way, and asked what was meant by it. Lets let by gones be by gones. Hopefully you know where I'm coming from. Hopefully I'm right about where you're coming from. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 7435 Registered: Dec-04 | I am only embarrased that Shane is Canadian for all his other stupid stuff, well and this one too. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 7440 Registered: Dec-04 | http://www.classicsquares.com/squarespi.html |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4854 Registered: Feb-05 | MR I'm sorry that your ignorance blinds you, but it is what it is and I won't candy coat it for you. Anytime one of us asks for folks to use responsible language relative to people who are different than them, we have a chip on our shoulder...sorry but I won't accept that. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 1376 Registered: Nov-05 | Art, what's next - we can't call the Japanese JAPANESE? I never tried to dispute that the term used may be a slur in your country however inane that may be. I said I couldn't understand it. I wish you people could read and instead of reading into which is obvious to me what you do. Again, it is also obvious by Shane's post that a slur was never intended. Maybe he should have added an apostrophe but we know his grammar is not so great. Anyway I'll continue to call British Brits, Japanese Japs, Australians Aussies and so forth as will mostly the rest of the world minus the US of A. This PC stuff is nonsense when it goes so far. If the Japanese are so bleeding sensitive in your land than maybe they can do something about their countrymen to stop slaughtering whales. And Art, sometimes ignorance is bliss! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24TorontoCanada Post Number: 216 Registered: Mar-07 | I am only embarrased that Shane is Canadian for all his other stupid stuff, well and this one too... Good, u should be embarrased then... and nuck go fly a kite... |
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Silver Member Username: Mike3Wiley, Tx USA Post Number: 405 Registered: May-06 | Audio forum our what? M.R. Let it go. If someone says it hurts you don't ask why, you just stop. Explanations should not be necessary. Shane, you are what you are and its unfortunate you are that here. "you people" speaks for itself, no matter origin or geographics. Let it go, as perhaps you are not coming from a position of "right". Time to get back to being an audio forum as I am sure Danman is disappointed with every recent post read on this thread. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 1377 Registered: Nov-05 | Michael, seems you are another one who reads into things what you want. "You people" meaning Art and Stu. Got it? I'm sure no one got hurt by Shanes use of the word. Only Art had to demean him when he used it inadvertently to describe a country of origin. But it's okay for Art to call someone an ignorant fool for an extremely minor slip when he could have simply explained the US protocol of the word's usage. No matter what anyone thinks of Shane or his posts, that kind of reply was not only unwarranted, but also implies a kind of ignorance in itself. And I'll give it up when I'm good and ready thanx Michael. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 2172 Registered: Sep-04 | After all, first Art calls us ignorant fools (I count myself in here since I use the term a LOT!) and then he calls us racists. Let that lie? Why should I? |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4856 Registered: Feb-05 | Frank, is your name Shane? You were not called anything. I asked nearly everyone I work with, one on one, to tell me what's the first thing that comes to mind when I say "jap" or "japs", all of them, that is 100%, answered either a derogatory or negative term used to put down people of Japanese origin. Hmm. Chip on my shoulder eh. I am my offices representative to the District Diversity Committee...I'll ask at the next Diversity Committee meeting what would their impression of this conversation be. Frank, Shane is Canadian...Nuck is Canadian, Nuck is telling you that jap is derogatory term for Japanese folks in Canada. I won't let that go any more than I would if he had used spic or kike or any other of the ignorant racist terms used by fools like him. If you would like to join the ranks of the racists just because the term means something else where you're from then just go on. Everytime you call someone on this issue it turns ugly. People hate looking in the mirror when what they see is a b igot...too bad. MR read above...I will repeat that Nuck has told you that jap is a derogatory term in Canada. Your statement relative to Japanese Americans is abhorrant. "This PC stuff is nonsense when it goes so far. If the Japanese are so bleeding sensitive in your land than maybe they can do something about their countrymen to stop slaughtering whales." Truly one of most ignorant statements I've read since Metzger was regularly quoted in the papers around here. MR, their countrymen (and women) are Americans, we don't slaughter whales. I guess to you the fact that they were born in the US of A matters not as long as they have ancestors from Japan...those folks are their countrymen. WOW! Apparently you have some feelings about Japanese folks eh! It is only a minor slip to you because you aren't the target of the slur...."when they came for me there was no one left to help", I never forget that. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4858 Registered: Feb-05 | Alright so I have one more thing to say. We all have biases and prejudices. It's human. It's how we organize our world to make sense of it. Cognitive files keep us from getting into trouble. However we always have to keep our minds open to learning. If and when I say something that is racially, ethnically, or culturally insenstive I HOPE that someone points it out. I never thought that Shane was the second coming of Hit ler. But I felt that using strong language to let him know that it is inappropriate was warranted. Never said that it wasn't a mistake and perhaps I should have approached it more diplomatically but I feel passionately about the subject, that's why I sit on the Diversity Committee at work. An unfortunate consequence of this is the typical ugliness that takes place when people feel that their values are being challenged or judged. I'm sorry for that. I would ask that everyone, including me take a good look in the mirror and do some self examing. If you like what you see then carry on. Frank, I understand where you are coming from. But no disrespect was meant to you. Think cross culturally and remember where this forum originates. I try to think that way when I post on British audio forums and have the expectation of being corrected if I falter. MR, I'm afraid I don't understand where you are coming from. I'm not big fan of PC myself...but I do my best not to hurt large groups of people If I can help it. I understand that the term is not derogatory where you are from, but what I don't get is the ethnocentric carelessness you show relative to the subject. I wish my ignorance was bliss, but in this case it's just confusion. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 2178 Registered: Sep-04 | Art, how dare you suggest that I don't think cross-culturally! I'm a Malteser living in Britain, so I'm well aware of the cultural divides that separate even like-minded countries, let alone more differing ones. I am not surprised about you being on a diversity committee. It is my FERVENT opinion that it is committees such as those which cause more pain, failed integration, resentment and disenchantment than possibly any other reason and certainly more than name-calling. They're more often than not chaired by holier-than-thou do-gooders who want to put their noses in everywhere and causing more barriers to be put up than anything else. |
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Gold Member Username: My_rantzAustralia Post Number: 1378 Registered: Nov-05 | Japanese means Japanese Art. You mention Americans of Japanese ethnicity, I didn't. We have many thousands of Japanese right here where we live at any one time. They are from Japan Art. I and most people here have nothing against these people. We find them very polite and respectful and try to treat them the same. I have a lot of time for most of those with whom I come in contact even though one dishonorable gent who I exported to almost sent me bankrupt. My father-in-law who suffered at the hands of the Japanese military as a POW also has a high regard for the Japanese of today, and I beleive his character is unsurpassable given what he went through. You still have not read what I have stated here, you only see with your tunnel vision. "Think where this forum originates" - this is the internet, sheriff! And web forums are made up from a globally diverse group in case you didn't realise. Finally, I won't tolerate you or anyone else calling me a bi*ot. I find THAT extremely abhorrant and disrespectful and, not being face to face there's nothing (unfortunately) I can do about that except to stop tolerating you and that ridiculous high horse you rode into this forum on - period. |
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Silver Member Username: Shane24TorontoCanada Post Number: 217 Registered: Mar-07 | Now, Art and Stu would qualify for the noble piece prize, and I am sure stu, would get it.. After all, he is the ring leader of the pack, and art throwing titles at everyone with his 4858 post number, and telling the rest of the junior members to hit the road..(talk abt Diversity Committee and respect) Its you'll who have done the damaged to danman's thread, because you'll just have to take a stand and prove yourselfs and Stu behaves as if he's got a degree from havard... Both of you'll should write a dictionary based on racist slurs, so people not only on e-cous but all the forums on the www and across the world as well, would be abrest with their terms and their meanings... |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 7444 Registered: Dec-04 | one observation, and not to visit this again. M'R., you wrote 'Japanese' 5 times, and Japan once in your last post. Not one abbreviation as Jap. Was that intentional? Bye |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 10502 Registered: May-04 | . And how do you feel about your mother? Hmmm, I thought so! Take that cigar out of your mouth you filthy swine!!! |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4859 Registered: Feb-05 | Well appears that everyone has spilled their guts so to speak. I personally have no more to say on the subject, my last post most succinctly states my position and I hold firm to it. Always makes for a rousing discussion...time for some music. |
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Silver Member Username: DanmanQUEBEC CANADA Post Number: 677 Registered: Apr-04 | Can we get back to the subject please? You guys can duel at sunset! |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4869 Registered: Feb-05 | Danman, I had a similar experience a couple of years ago when I owned an NAD T763 and went and listened to Integra and Yamaha AVR's. The NAD bettered the other for music but for movies it seemed that the NAD was outclassed. It gets interesting when listening to performance DVD's where the results are mixed. |
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Silver Member Username: DanmanQUEBEC CANADA Post Number: 679 Registered: Apr-04 | I do not want to listen to music with a receiver and the new Onkyo's have some fantastic features and technology for the price. NAD is changing most of their line-up soon for the av equipment but don't expect them to come cheap as they will be quite impressive but at a higher level. It seems that NAD is enjoying success with their Master's Series and they seem to be moving a little more upscale these days. I do believe that the next upgrade should be a higher end CD player because I am about to buy the wonderful Rega Apollo which I really enjoyed. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4871 Registered: Feb-05 | Hopefully another happy Apollo owner! |
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Silver Member Username: DanmanQUEBEC CANADA Post Number: 680 Registered: Apr-04 | Looks that way Art. Could not believe the sound for 1000$! I am certainly happy not to have to spend more for good sound. One of the best I have heard yet. As I said in the past, it takes a lot for me to move away from what I already have and the great thing is that I am very lucky to have opportunities to listen to almost anything out there but this time I compared to the 542 all the way to YBA and of course the YBA won but only by little also at 5 times the price! |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 4880 Registered: Feb-05 | Excellent Danman. Satisfaction is hard to find for too many of us audio nuts. Enjoy the music! |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 2183 Registered: Sep-04 | From my perspective the good news is that $1000 is almost exactly the equivalent price of the Apollo here (£500). American products are nearly twice the price here than they are in the US. |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 10535 Registered: May-04 | . That's not good news, Frank. |
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Silver Member Username: StefanomVienna, VA United States Post Number: 653 Registered: Apr-06 | Not for us anyways. Weak dollar and all. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 2189 Registered: Sep-04 | Well, I think it is because it means thsat the distribution chain in the US is not milking you for all you're worth. Of course, there's nothing to say that the price would reduce if the dollar strengthened again... |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 7509 Registered: Dec-04 | Well, I think it is because it means thsat the distribution chain in the US is not milking you for all you're worth Frank, these people don't live in a Commonwealth Country, so the REAMING is rather invisible. Come to a CC and bring the lube!  |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigneDallas, TX Post Number: 10538 Registered: May-04 | . " ... if the dollar strengthened again... " We'll have to wait until at least January 22, 2009 to find out. (The day after the next President is inaugurated.) |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 7510 Registered: Dec-04 | Sorry about your luck... |
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Silver Member Username: JawPost Number: 110 Registered: Mar-06 | Funny how the exchange rates never caused fluctuations in Tanqueray or Corona. Well, they do go up. But who pays attention to such matters. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike3Wiley, Tx USA Post Number: 415 Registered: May-06 | I'm confused. I guess we in the States have this ridiculous trade deficit because we are not selling enough audiophile products to Europe... That does suck Frank. |
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