Bought a really "nice" reciever and then...
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New member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 5 Registered: Jan-07 | So I am a total newbie when it came to home audio stuff. I've always been an audiophile to some extent, nothing exceeds like excess, nothing to extravagant. Anyways went to circuit city the other day to look for recievers...to make a logn story short i walked out with http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3248.asp To power some pretty shitty panasonic speakers my girl got with one of those home theater packages.. anyways I tell my brother about it and he reminded me that he had 6 bose speakers in storage that were barely used.. here is what I got.. 2x Bose 301 series III 2x Bose model 100 J 2x 201 series 4 and coming out of my recievers sub preamp i have it going to my old reciever so i can use my old sub*dont ask..the sub had all the outs for the speakers on it*. I now need a new sub becase this one insults the rest..its a decent sized room with hardwood flooring... I need alot of bass because I am a dj, and I spin drum and BASS. I shall take a picture in a minute |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 956 Registered: Dec-06 | What's wrong with this??? Sorry, it's just that when I get my next receiver I'm going to get one with preamp outputs. http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3250.asp |
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New member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 6 Registered: Jan-07 | Ah nothing is wrong with it...i love..yeah it is missing mids and highs pre amps, but I have that under control. Click the link for a bigger pic and notes to where everything is. This picture ist very clear. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dank/sets/72157594502199600/  |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 957 Registered: Dec-06 |  |
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New member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 7 Registered: Jan-07 | what kind of sub would you reccomend? i dont have awhole lot of money to spend but i wat somthing that BUMPS |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 960 Registered: Dec-06 | I don't know what I'd recommend. I bought a Paradigm Seismic 10 and blew it from playing a scene in a movie with heavy explosions. I'm going to get the Seismic 12 instead so that it can fill my large listening area. For your setup, it depends on what your size limitations are, what your relative budget is, and other things such as if you're willing to build a sub. I do know of some possibilites, but I can only make a recommendation when you can say your budget, size, and if you're willing to build one. |
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New member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 10 Registered: Jan-07 | well actually..i have some really amazing car stereo subwoofers... 15 inch elemental designs.. 1500 watt RMS, peak is somthing like 2500..they're insane and htey're just sitting in my closet not doing anything.  That box is tuned and ported at around 33hz. I would love to be able to hook this up but i do now know how to. here is a link to more on the subshttp://flickr.com/photos/dank/148928367/ |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 11 Registered: Jan-07 | well actually..i have some really amazing car stereo subwoofers... 15 inch elemental designs.. 1500 watt RMS, peak is somthing like 2500..they're insane and htey're just sitting in my closet not doing anything.  That box is tuned and ported at around 33hz. I would love to be able to hook this up but i do now know how to. here is a link to more on the subshttp://flickr.com/photos/dank/148928367/ |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 962 Registered: Dec-06 | How many? What are the T/S Parameters? Can you find these? |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 12 Registered: Jan-07 | two of em..yeah i can find hte stats i think..whats t/s ? dual voice coils 2 ohms is all i recall i had a pheonix gold 1200.1 with a pheonix gold tantrum. i have wired as one big speaker. 600 watts per channel..its won competitions. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 13 Registered: Jan-07 | had=still have..i still have it..even the 0 awg |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 963 Registered: Dec-06 | T/s is a spec thing including FS resonance, Qes, Qts, etc. Do you know the exact model? |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 14 Registered: Jan-07 | No, the guy i bought them from definately will, i can find that out whenever i wake up...they dindt make but a couple hundred of either...they're two different models.. would is be possible thus far to turn these puppies into a sub back here? because it would shake the roof. |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 964 Registered: Dec-06 | Yeah it's possible. Again, it depends on your budget. Now if I were making my own sub where I could see how much volume I could get out of a 26" cube I'd use 6 of these drivers. http://www.tcsounds.com/lms5400.htm Then I'd use an Anthem P2 to power it...but I'm not really helping you out there am I! Now, if you really want to use those I'd put them into a larger box for more output and you could power it with a good 1000w plate amp. http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=300-808 I'm not quite sure of your situation though. You could also buy power supplies, run them in parallel and use those to power your amp. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 15 Registered: Jan-07 | wow that sub is insane. I could use my current phoenix gold amp to power these outside of my car? even tho the voltage is different?(i heard you can mess your stuff up) id like to try that route first until i can afford somthing like that amp |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 16 Registered: Jan-07 | what is your opinion on the rest of the system so far tho? |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 965 Registered: Dec-06 | Well first off you could get a few pc power supplies and run them in parallel. This is another discussion on this. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/17571.html About your system, the only thing I'm really not too fond of are the Bose model 100's as I have these too and I find it's pretty easy to push them to their limits. Otherwise so far so good. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 17 Registered: Jan-07 | yeah the 100's are a bit puny and kind of iffish..they're refurbed to..oh well..cant complain..they're all free..i appreciate the help..im looking at getting an audigy sound card for its optical outs..is optical really worth it? |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 966 Registered: Dec-06 | Optical and Coaxial digital outs don't have much difference, but I beleive they are superior to RCA or mini plugs. The sound card will sound better anyway. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 18 Registered: Jan-07 | word...well it seems that the best option fr powering a high wattage sub in home is with a battery and a charger. I have had 2 that have been sitting in the shed for a while..i wonder if they will work.. |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 967 Registered: Dec-06 | They should work just fine. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 19 Registered: Jan-07 | rather..i thik psu powersupplies might work better fr now..i dont need a whole lot of boom... |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 20 Registered: Jan-07 | i dot want to bur my house down with a battery |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 968 Registered: Dec-06 | Yeah. (Don't click on the period) |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 21 Registered: Jan-07 | well i understand ive done everything else proper that I should do this right as well, but i just want a temp solution to see how the girlfriend/house/pictures react.. if i bought a 500 watt powersuppy with lot of amps on the 12v rail is there a possibilitty of damaging my subs? |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 969 Registered: Dec-06 | If you didn't damage them before with that amp then no. The amp won't all of a sudden be able to supply more voltage just because you increased the maximum amperage available from the PSU. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 22 Registered: Jan-07 | so what kind of psu should i be after then? like 500 watt with 20amps on the 12v rail/ or even higher? |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 23 Registered: Jan-07 | im sorry if im incoherent its 6:30 am and ive been up for too long..work then party..muh |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 970 Registered: Dec-06 | hmm 1200 watts amp, that should use around 120 amps at it's particular efficiency full output I'd say. You could get like 4 30 amp PSU's and wire them in parallel. |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 971 Registered: Dec-06 | HEHE I hear ya |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 972 Registered: Dec-06 | Time for breakfast.. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 24 Registered: Jan-07 | where can i get regular amp psu's(radio shack..parts express)? and what guage wire would suffice to wire it all up? would the the power source be able to handle 0AWG because thats what i ahve for my subs, and what should i ground it to? |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 25 Registered: Jan-07 | oh i get what your saying..get 4 whatever semi high wattage psus that have 30 amps ont eh 12v ad wire em up..assuming i can do that..that still leave the 0AWG question. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 26 Registered: Jan-07 | Somthing*well 4* like this then? \newurl {http://www.pricewatch.com/power_supply_for_case/ 500w.htm,http://www.pricewatch.com/power_supply_for_case/500w.htm} Output: * Current: +3.3V@30A, +5V@45A, +12V1@18A, +12V2@16A, -12V@1A, +5VSB@2.5A |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 27 Registered: Jan-07 | ah i misread..blah..dyslexia..its only 18amps at 12v |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 28 Registered: Jan-07 | after pricing around a real deal plate amp isnt much more than 4-5 30ish watts psu's..atleast thats what im findin... |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 973 Registered: Dec-06 | Well then...yeah |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 29 Registered: Jan-07 | but if went and dropped 50 bucks and got me two 30a psu's it would suffice until i could drop the 400 on a 1000w plate amp..have any wiring diagram examples or instruction links on how id wire them? |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 974 Registered: Dec-06 | Well here's the installation of a guy that did that. Subwoofer Installation |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 30 Registered: Jan-07 | well it apparently worked out for him...i found those power supplies for 27(4of em=130 after shipping) bucks a pop..id get 4 and at 36a that would give me 144 amps..this should work eh/ |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 978 Registered: Dec-06 | Fo Sho, just do what he did. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 31 Registered: Jan-07 | hell yeah..it is just power so i dont thinkt here will be a difference in sound quality..i can finally put this 1300 dollar subwoofer system to work.. ill get the stats on the woofers when dude gets online. |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., SouthWest Mi... Too Many DBs... Post Number: 979 Registered: Dec-06 | Alright |
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Bronze Member Username: GavdawgPost Number: 96 Registered: Nov-06 | all I have to say is that if you blew a seismic, you must like WAY too much bass for the good of humanity. go buy a JBL VerTEC PA system. Those are the line array speakers that are used in arena concerts. My guess is that is the type of bass you are looking for, and you will not get it in a home speaker system with any degree of fidelity short of spending multiple thousands of dollars. If you find it, good look keeping your hearing. |
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Bronze Member Username: GavdawgPost Number: 97 Registered: Nov-06 | That was directed at Andre, not the OP. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 32 Registered: Jan-07 | Yeah, i have blown my drums numerous times.. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 34 Registered: Jan-07 | The subs are Elemental Design 15a.22. i dnot hae time to look for stats just yet |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 35 Registered: Jan-07 | here are the specs Qts: .33 Qes: .37 Qms: 2.74 Fs: 28.8 Hz Re: 6.77 Vas: 96.47 L Mms: 260.10 g Bl: 30.96 T*m SPL: 89.4 dB Sd: 806 cm^2 Xmax: 29.1 mm Voice Coil: 75 mm Magnet Width: 7.20"" Cutout Diameter: 14" Mounting Depth: 7.75" Weight: 0 lb Total Height: 7.75" Displacement: .09 ft^3 Outside Diameter: 15.5" |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 36 Registered: Jan-07 | these are really phoneminal subs so they can reallly move alot of air..a big floor firing box with proper port/airspace job |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 5565 Registered: Dec-04 | Matt, I shouldn't even bother, but here goes. A car sub(sic) is made for thumping in a trunk. Home audio is made for dispersio of low frequencies across a large area. The driver and enclosure are designed to fill a given area(like a living room), not just to fit into a dodge. Buy a home sub from SVS. Goodbye. |
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Silver Member Username: GavdawgPost Number: 101 Registered: Nov-06 | you have blown your drums....  and on the other note, I agree with nuck. |
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Bronze Member Username: AkiraotomoPost Number: 37 Registered: Jan-07 | Nuck i dont just want them for home audio tho, I want them for cratability so i can bring them to shows for some extra bass... I mean it is JUST bass.. For home theater purposes i can turn it down when im not practicing or producing(thats another reason i want it loud, because i want to experience it as one would at a show when i produce). I'm perfectly willing to build some heavy duty stuff, if its worth it. |
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