New Home - New Speakers
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Silver Member Username: TwebbzOakland Park, Florida USA Post Number: 448 Registered: Apr-04 | Gentlemen...I moved into a home with a great room. It is about 28'x 26' with intruding walls, has a tile floor with area rugs, vaulted ceiling and large window walls. I enjoyed my Athena AS-F2s in my previous home but here they are to bright. I need to explore purchasing other floorstanding speakers and am thinking about the Paradigm Studio 60s as I remember them to be a bit laid back when I listened to them a few years ago. I have a NAD C370 integrated amp. Any other speaker suggestions of moderate pricing that would work in a room such as this would be appreciated. My musical interests are Pop, Rock & Dance. BTW, what are the Studio 60s going for these days? |
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Gold Member Username: Timn8terSeattle, WA USA Post Number: 1165 Registered: Dec-03 | Why do you think the Athena's sound different now? |
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Silver Member Username: TwebbzOakland Park, Florida USA Post Number: 449 Registered: Apr-04 | They are too bright and have a bit of a midrange hollow sound, voices not sounding natural. I didn't hear that in my old room (11'x 17', low ceiling). The new room is furnished and decorated and will not be changed. |
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Gold Member Username: Timn8terSeattle, WA USA Post Number: 1167 Registered: Dec-03 | Ok, so I think we can agree it's the room causing the problem. Changing to another speaker of similar design (monopole bass reflex) is not going to address the problem. I believe you need to do something about the room effect on the soundfield. When you say the room will not be changed I assume you are saying no acoustic treatments will be added. If that is truly the case then you should be looking at highly directional speakers. This would include line arrays and dipole (open baffle) designs. Here's a fine example of a dipole speaker. http://www.woodartistry.com/Audio.htm |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 4972 Registered: Dec-04 | "IE, my wife said NFW!" Kidding, Rick! The place sounds great. Maybe post a pic, for a better idea? I have seen some beautiful room treatments. And heard some invisible ones. |
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Silver Member Username: TwebbzOakland Park, Florida USA Post Number: 450 Registered: Apr-04 | I'm not ready for exotics...just some conventional floorstanders that tend to be less bright. The Paradigm Studio 60s are $1,700 for the pair here in Fort Lauderdale but the dealer only has Studio 40s and 100s on dispaly. Says the 60s are much improved and sound much like th 40's but with better base extension. I can't go too much more than that price without being beat up and shot by THE BOSS and the Athenas have to be sold first. Maybe B&W DM604-S3? Others? |
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Gold Member Username: Joe_cAtlanta, GA USA Post Number: 1155 Registered: Mar-05 | psb's might fit the ticket. Maybe a pair of image t65's ? |
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Gold Member Username: Timn8terSeattle, WA USA Post Number: 1168 Registered: Dec-03 | http://www.rawacoustics.com/item__HTFR_Speakers,812.html |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 3738 Registered: Feb-05 | Studio 60v4's should be amazing. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 4996 Registered: Dec-04 | JC, Psb's don't come up here so often. Where do you like them?The t65's? Art, is your enthusiasm from the previous run and expecting more, or sommore info? Merry Christmas! |
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Silver Member Username: JethroLansing, Mi Post Number: 136 Registered: Jan-06 | i think the B&w's are the laid back speaker that you could be looking for and most dealers that carry them will let you do an in home trial. check out the 604s3's in home if you can. What amps/receiver do you run? 5 channel music/ ht primarily? 2 channel music primarily? |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 3744 Registered: Feb-05 | Paradigm always goes forward without lookung back. With better drivers and crossovers I'm betting on an improved Studio series from Paradigm....and the old one was outstanding. |
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Silver Member Username: TwebbzOakland Park, Florida USA Post Number: 451 Registered: Apr-04 | As I stated above in my original posting. I have a NAD C370 stereo integrated amp. I'm also using a NAD C542 CD. On occasion I do pipe my DVD & VCR through the stereo but it's not my main focus. I like pop, rock and dance music. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 5009 Registered: Dec-04 | Nad and Paradigm go well together. Those Studio 60's might be just right. They look great, too! |
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Gold Member Username: Joe_cAtlanta, GA USA Post Number: 1162 Registered: Mar-05 | NAD and PSB go together also, Nuck PSB's have a real neutral sound and are priced really comfortably. I have found them at a local high end shop and heard the t45 and 65's Great speaker and I heard them with a NAD amp/cd setup. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 5010 Registered: Dec-04 | JC, Rick, I run the Psb Stratus silver, with heavy power.(see profile) I would not rec then to anyone who is unable to move the whole room around. That said, I did find a good point for the speakers. The T series(including the 65) is a compromise, the Stratus is a tried and true stereo performer. Along with about a hundred others. |
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Silver Member Username: TwebbzOakland Park, Florida USA Post Number: 452 Registered: Apr-04 | Well, the Studio 60 with "rosenut" finish is great looking furniture, better than the DM604s3...got to call around more to see if I can actually find some on display within an hours drive. Do you guys think it's a fair bet to judge the 60's by the perfomance of the 40's if they are the only ones I can listen to? |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 3746 Registered: Feb-05 | The last Studio 60 (v3's) actually outperformed the the 40's. They didn't suffer the cabinet noise of the v2's. Again I'd make sure to get the v4 which promises to be fabulous. |
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Bronze Member Username: MarsdenCapital City Post Number: 44 Registered: Oct-06 | Oh wow. I should unload my Fluance Towers on this guy. It can't be good for my amp to have the treble setting at MAX all the time  Seriously though, tile floors and walls of glass are likely going to be a real issue. |
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Silver Member Username: Arande2400dB could probably d..., 4000 isnt ev... 100,000dB FU... Post Number: 261 Registered: Dec-06 | I heard the Studio 60's last night lol. They sounded really good with all of Rotel's best(all the models from 1090-1099 are their best I think). |
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Silver Member Username: TwebbzOakland Park, Florida USA Post Number: 453 Registered: Apr-04 | Hmmmm...Listened to the Studio 40s and Studio 100s V.4 today (w/Elite amp). (No 60's on display.) While they sounded sweet & natural, I found that they lacked punch. I expected the 40's to be lacking bass but the 100's did too. I suppose I'm used to the strong bass of the Athenas. Whether that's good or bad, It's what I like. I'll try the B&W DM604s next. Have to drive to south of Miami but I'll be able to hear the 60s and the DM604s side by side there. |
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Silver Member Username: TwebbzOakland Park, Florida USA Post Number: 455 Registered: Apr-04 | I heard and purchased the B&W DM604s3. The soundstage of the Paradigms is much too far back for my taste. As I said before, they lack bass although they are sweet and smooth. The B&Ws on the other hand are a little less sweet, have plenty of bass, are much more dynamic and upfront, just an all around more exciting speaker, I thought. I actually preferred them to them to the upmarket 704s. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 3784 Registered: Feb-05 | The Paradigms must be broken thoroughly before the really sing. But they don't lack dynamics driven by the appropriate gear. Congrats on your new B&W's, long live good tunes in your home Rick! |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1834 Registered: Sep-04 | Art, I think you meant brokoen in... Regards, Frank. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1835 Registered: Sep-04 | And of course I meant 'broken'... |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 5255 Registered: Dec-04 | Miss the old 'edit' function now, Frank? hehehe |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 3794 Registered: Feb-05 | Indeed Frank... |
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Gold Member Username: T_bomb25Dayton, Ohio United States Post Number: 1482 Registered: Jun-05 | I think you should take a look at the Onix Rocket RS450s,they are astounding for the money and then some. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1841 Registered: Sep-04 | Edit? What edit? Pah... |
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Silver Member Username: TwebbzOakland Park, Florida USA Post Number: 456 Registered: Apr-04 | I'm in the process of waiting for the B&Ws to come in. B&W requires a dealer to place a minimum $30,000 order for shipment...so the dealer says. No big hurry though, Took the NAD C370 in for service yesterday. |
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