Archive through April 29, 2006
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Bronze Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 33 Registered: Dec-05 | Michael, I think you are in for a treat! I still can't get over how good the Dynaudio sound. Can't wait to hear your impressions. |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 60 Registered: Jun-05 | michael, if you get the chance try the rega apollo. especially if you find your setup a bit 'lean and dry'. i ordered mine yesterday. arcam make good stuff i recon(i got an arcam amp), but this new rega player seem to be making waves if you havent picked up on it(check the thread under CD Player). might save you a few bones. b |
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New member Username: Trekker720Princeton, Nj Usa Post Number: 8 Registered: Jan-06 | Bvan, Thanks for the advice about the Rega, however I really dont care for the look of that unit. Im close to purchasing the Jolida JD 100 Level 1 modification from UnderWood Hi-fi. ($1280.00) Or can you offer any other recommendations for a cd player? |
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Rumadian Unregistered guest | Michael, The Jolida JD100 is a reasonable player for what it is. Performance wise, you get what you pay for. I have no idea what the mods do for it, but there are two other players I feel are leaps and bounds beyond the Jolida; First, believe it or not, the Rotel RCD-1072. This is the best thing Rotel has going for itself right now. A dark player that sports a transport thats about as silent as you can get. The design is solid and the sound is phenominal and easy to integrated with almost any system. I've heard this player on MEGA buck systems, and it is right at home. It's also a few hundred bucks cheaper -brand new. The other, would be the Naim CD5i. This is $1400 new, but represents the very essence of the word "musical". Theres not much more to say about it - its brilliant. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1201 Registered: Sep-04 | Michael, For something quite different have a listen to a Naim CD5i. Bvan, the 42s would suit the FOCUS 110s in Surround movie scenario. however, in surround music, they are quite far from the FOCUS's norm, so I'm not sure how well they'd work in that scenario. Incidentally, you should be getting a private response from me... Regards, Frank. |
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Silver Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 923 Registered: May-05 | The Naim CD5i is $1700 in the US. Here's the Naim US price list if interested - http://www.naimusa.com/html/nav_frames/frame_main.html It's a great player BTW. |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 61 Registered: Jun-05 | definitely eye of the beholder, but my eye beholds a pretty slim and elegant design. it is quite light in weight, but i think very well built. the lid is a marvel of engineering, extemely smooth and with not a millimeter of play or wobble. you just list it and inch and it keeps gently moving back under its own weight as if by magic. completely noiseless to load the disk, and even while playing. also nice to be able to see what disk is playing through the glass top. beats a noisy, wobbly plastic loading tray any day i recon. not trying to change your mind michael  but i did see a lot of opinion on the apollo vs the jolida at audio asylum or audiogon(?) and the consensus seems to be that the rega kicks the jolidas butt. frank, many thanks for pm (and opinion re the 42's.) but where/how do i find the pm? i'm new to these, is it in my account somewhere or does it get sent to my email inbox? cheers all b. |
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Bronze Member Username: VirtualkeithSan Francisco, CA United States Post Number: 14 Registered: Dec-05 | Hi Everyone, So I'm happyly breaking in the 140's and they're sounding better and better. I ordered a pair of Dynaudio Stand 1's and am still awaiting their arrival. (these wooden stands have GOT to go!) I'm a little hesitant to describe what I'm hearing until I eliminate some obvious unwanted noise factors. I also picked up a B&W PV-1 sub, and am really liking it so far. It fit into my budget and the spherical shape of it does eliminate alot of distortion as advertised AND does not rock the floorboards. That is an important consideration for me as I live in a multiunit urban dwelling. I will also be picking up a Rotel RCD-1072 as that also fits in my budget, and although this will probably make some of you cringe, I want a CD player that works with the same remote as my Rotel RX-1052 receiver. Frank, thanks for the advise on the Partington stands. I couldn't seem to find them around where I live, and I must admit, I chose the dynaudio stand 1 over the stand 4 because they looked a little less visually "heavy" as you described. Also thanks for all of the information you've posted on the 140's in general. I've found your postings to be informative, well written, and really helpful. Elderion, it was interesting to read how your speaker choice developed. I'm glad to hear you ended up with something that works well for you. Bvan, sounds like you're really doing it up! Keep us informed how things go for you. Thanks for originating this thread! I've been learning alot from it. Happy listening all! Keith |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 62 Registered: Jun-05 | all's well that ends well! i've enjoyed this thread and it should be usefull to the many who follow in our footsteps (i think dynaudio should give me a free pair of 110's for starting this thread- you cant buy this kind of advertising) enjoy the music b ....now if someone could only tell me where the heck to find my pm... |
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Bronze Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 35 Registered: Dec-05 | Keith, Glad to hear that the 140's are working out great for you. I have the Rotel RCD-1072, and I like it very much, I think you will too. Those B&W subs are something else, I wouldn't believe that they are subs if I didn't know better. I'm having fun breaking in the 82s, as well. For my taste in music and listen preferences, they are a really a good fit, fills up my 16'x24' living room without a problem. I'm a very happy Dynaudian. Bvan, as far as speaker setup, I have the 82's 6' feet apart, 2' from the rear walls, and 4' from the side walls, 8.5' from the listening position with about 1 degree toe-in. Not perfect, but sounds pretty decent until I get a chance to play around some more. Frank, Thanks for all your great advice and information. A great well of knowledge as always. Isola, Have you gotten a chance to listen to the Dynaudios in Tulsa? Hope you are having a great time auditioning. Eld |
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Tina James Unregistered guest | The Dyna140s are really outstanding speakers. I never realized just how good they were until my husband replaced our Parasound separates with a digital Panasonic. The clarity and smoothness absolutely shines through. Gorgeous! |
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New member Username: DynnnnaudioooThe Netherlands Post Number: 5 Registered: Feb-06 | Hi everyone, Last thursday I could FINALLY collect my Dyn's 140 and Arcam set. They sound fantastic and will be even better once they runned in. I am hearing a lot of things in the music which I did not hear before. The soundstage is amazing with a lot of detail. I confess, I'm addicted to it... |
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New member Username: Trekker720Princeton, Nj Usa Post Number: 10 Registered: Jan-06 | Hi Reinder, What Arcam pieces are you using with you new 140's?? |
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Bronze Member Username: Diana_vargasPost Number: 11 Registered: Dec-05 | Tina, Are you using a subwoofer with your 140s? |
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New member Username: DynnnnaudioooThe Netherlands Post Number: 6 Registered: Feb-06 | Michael, I have tha Arcam A80 amplifier, CD73 cd player and T61 tuner. Tina, I am not using a sub. Do you? |
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Bronze Member Username: Trekker720Princeton, Nj Usa Post Number: 11 Registered: Jan-06 | Reinder, Wow...thats great that your Arcam gear matches up well. Several folks on audiogon told me to stay away from Arcam beacuse its bright and since Dynaudio is forward sounding, the sound would be too bright and fatiquing. I was planning on getting the Arcam A90 and the Arcam CD192 cd player for my new 110's. So I guess you are very happy with the sound so far and you hear not brightness in your setup? What type of music you listen to? |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 64 Registered: Jun-05 | i have the arcam A85 and its anything but bright or fatiguing, quite the opposite in fact. from what i always hear, arcam tends to be regarded as smooth and layed-back. dynaudio is often regarded as forward, but thats not the same as bright. i certainly think the focus tweeters are beyond reproach in this regard. i recon you could get a bit more exciting with naim(which i finally got to hear on the weekend), but i think arcam does nothing wrong at all. i'm very happy with mine too b. some 'pro' impressions on the diva range, for what its worth: http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/bgintamps.html |
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Tina James Unregistered guest | my husband already had an M&K sub when we got the Dynas. When we got the Panasonic though we turned off the sub and were amazed at how tight and quick the bass was coming from the 140s. The Parasound gear never did that. |
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New member Username: DynnnnaudioooThe Netherlands Post Number: 7 Registered: Feb-06 | Michael, I agree with Bvan. To my ears Arcam and Dynaudio sounds layed back and smooth indeed. And when the punch comes in they punch HARD, fast and direct, but never anoying or forward. I listen to very different kinds of music, rock, blues, light classical music, jazz. It al depends on the mood i'm in. Maybe you know the song "Stimela" from Hugh Masakela. When I hear it on my system I get goosebumbs. Just an example. You mention in your message that you plan to get the CD192 and the A90. That is an excellent choice I think. I hesitated when I listened to the Arcam set to try the CD192 also but decided not to. The CD192 is almoast twice as expensive as the CD73 and I had to draw the line somewhere. Did you listen yet to the Cd192 & A90 combi? I am interested in your opinion about it. |
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Bronze Member Username: Trekker720Princeton, Nj Usa Post Number: 12 Registered: Jan-06 | Reinder, Those Arcam pieces you have must be a handsome looking combo! Did you buy the Arcam set brand new brand the same dealer has the Dynaudio? You know, I was thinking...if your Arcam A80 and the CD73 sound that amazing with your 140, id bet it would be just as great, or maybe even better with the 110's?! So maybe I should save a ton od money and get the A80 and CD73. I will have to give this some thought. My 110s will be at my door on Friday, and for the time being, I will be driving them with my Musical Fidelity A3 and modified Music Hall CD-25 player. I cant wait! |
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New member Username: DynnnnaudioooThe Netherlands Post Number: 8 Registered: Feb-06 | Hi Michael, I bought the whole system brand new from the same dealer. After listening for more than 15 years to second hand B&W DM220's with Onkyo amp and Denon CD I thougt I deserved something new ;) I think it is a good idea to listen to your 110's with A80/CD73 and compare it with A90/CD192. Than you can decide if the difference is worth the money. Three more days Michael! |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 68 Registered: Jun-05 | saw somebody post this today on the CD73 vs rega apollo, so i thought i'd try make your purchase decision a bit more difficult ;) "Both I and my non-audiophile wife had two shots auditioning the Apollo against the Arcam CD73. I have an Arcam alpha 6+ amp and expectected to buy the well-reviewed and popular Arcam, but having popped into a hifi shop just to hear the rega, we were both very surprised how engaging it was. I bought the Rega, and in my system it sounds great - detailed, accurate bass, no harshness in the upper range, a clean sound. It is well focussed and gives a solid sound stage with well localised instruments. After a month listening to it, I would recommend it as a very musical CD player." |
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Bronze Member Username: Trekker720Princeton, Nj Usa Post Number: 13 Registered: Jan-06 | I finally received my new Focus 110's in Rosewood yesterday and I love them. The rosewood finish truely is the best I have seen and it fits my tastes perfectly. Im currently running them in now with my Musical Fidelity A3 integrated and Onix CD-2 cd player. To my ears, they already sound fantastic, I cant imagine them sounding any better, but I suppose them will in time. The speakers are sitting on 29" sand filled Skylan stands. |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 84 Registered: Jun-05 | nice one! you must be stoked. i've also went with rosewood and to my eye i've not seen a better looking speaker. if you play around with their positioning let us know what you discover. enjoy b. |
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Bronze Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 60 Registered: Dec-05 | Congratulations, Michael! Welcome to the Dynaudian club. Warm and sweet, Focus are some of the sweetest speakers I have heard. The rosewood are very beautiful, I like the cherry too. How are the 140s breaking in for you, Bvan and Keith? I can't be happier with my Audience 82s, enjoying them very much. They are breaking in nicely. Bass are showing up more and more each day. Cheers and happy listening fellow Dynaudians. Eld. |
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Bronze Member Username: Trekker720Princeton, Nj Usa Post Number: 14 Registered: Jan-06 | Well, I currently now have around 50hours on my new Focus 110's. To my ears, it really seems like the bass is tightening up and sound less bloated...if that makes any sense. When are the focus line considered fully broken in.....100, 200 hours?? |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 86 Registered: Jun-05 | cant really answer that elderion. i'm not sure i've heard a break-in. i did onece, early on, report the speakers bass sounded a bit lean. i no longer feel this at all. maybe there has been a change, but maybe i only notices it initially because my ear was used to the 52's? to my ear the speakers have no weak areas what so ever, or anything i'm hoping will change. i'm a happy camper b. |
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New member Username: AsimovPost Number: 9 Registered: May-05 | Michael Could you please tell us why you choose Focus110 instead of Focus 140. Frank described Focus140 as "the next league up" over Focus 110. |
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Bronze Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 78 Registered: Dec-05 | Bvan, Awesome! I'm glad everything turned out great. I really think the 140 is the best bargain in the series. I can't believe how low they can get for standmounts. Michael, I'm not sure the break in time of the 110, and Bvan said he haven't really notice any break in time for his 140. I do notice that my 82s are getting more depth as I listen to them. The highs are smoother, but that happened with about a week (~30hrs). The bass is hitting harder and more enveloping. The bass response and soundstage is still growing after 3 weeks(~90hrs). Keep us posted on how it goes with the 110s. |
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Bronze Member Username: Trekker720Princeton, Nj Usa Post Number: 15 Registered: Jan-06 | Asimov- Regarding why I purchased the 110's instead of the 140's.... 1. Budget- I had to keep to my budget and $1400.00 was already over-budget. In my opinion, as great as the 110's are..I mean come on, they really are overpriced and when guys state nonsense like..."I would have paid 3 times as much." They sound just downright silly. 2. Since the speaker are in a smallish living room the 140's would have been certainly overkill. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1225 Registered: Sep-04 | The FOCUS range appear to take 200 hours to run in and settle down. Regards, Frank. |
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Bronze Member Username: Trekker720Princeton, Nj Usa Post Number: 16 Registered: Jan-06 | Frank, What exactly do you mean by...200 hours to "settle down."?? Exactly what does that mean? Thanks! |
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Bronze Member Username: Dfantom32Irvine, CA USA Post Number: 43 Registered: Feb-06 | hmmm... I think this the thread that I need to go to...hehehe Hello Dynaudians!!! I will be part of this club too ... thanks for Elderion he recommend me to check on the Dyns and so far I did hear the 72se's and I really love it... the highs, mids and lows are well balance oh man I almost buy it that day but I want to check on the 82's (last option) so from there I will know which one i should get...'coz if $200 difference between 72se & 82 might as well go for the 82 if much better than the 72se. Sorry Elderion if I'm so crazy asking to much question on this...hehehe Anyway, if I go to either of this speaker any recommendation on the rears and subs (5.1 setup) with Marantz 8500? Thanks for your help again. Specially you Elderion. |
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Bronze Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 86 Registered: Dec-05 | Adrian, Early welcome to the Dynaudian "family" The 72SE and 82 are both great, I wouldn't say the 82 are better speaker, just different for different types of music and listening preferences. So check them out and pick the one you like the best! You can't go wrong with either one. Your speaker upgrades will be done for a very long time if you choose either one. Did you get a chance to listen to the Contour s3.4 ($5000/pair) for fun? Man, those guys rock, my favorite speaker of all the one I listened. Cheers. |
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Bronze Member Username: Dfantom32Irvine, CA USA Post Number: 46 Registered: Feb-06 | Really!!! Oh man dont tell me on this again...I will kill myself if I check this and like it...oopppssss love it .... hehehe |
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Bronze Member Username: Dfantom32Irvine, CA USA Post Number: 47 Registered: Feb-06 | Excuse me Eld my salesguy called me and ask if I want the demo and he's selling it for $1999 while the brand new is $2250. Any idea if better go for the demo or might as well stick to the brand new one? I usually buy new stuffs but in this case maybe there's a exception. |
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Bronze Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 91 Registered: Dec-05 | Adrian, Demo and used are both good ways to save some dole. If you don't mind them being out on displayed and tested. Just make sure there are no major scratches, ding, etc. and all the drivers are in top shape. Asked your dealer how long the demos have been used. Were they on display exposed to sunlight? This should all play a factor. As long as the speakers are in great shape, I don't see any major reason why you shouldn't get the demos, if that is what you want to do. They should still have the five years warranty by Dynaudio. Of course you will miss out on the "new" experience, $250 for this experience and pride of ownership...what do you think? |
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New member Username: PiguniosPost Number: 1 Registered: Mar-06 | I wanted to say something about what goatwuss said on the new B&W 805S speakers. You simply have no idea what you're talking about mate! I own these speakers and are as natural, dynamic, truthfull, homogenic, honest and realistic as it gets for this price. And are much improved than the previous generations of B&W's. And once again, the material of the drivers don't tell the whole story. It's tweeter is exquisite and integration of drivers seamless. They simply tell you if you play them with good components and cables, or crapy ones! An open window to the recording. I haven't heard these new Dynaudio Focus speakers but probably are of similar quality. At the end is also a matter of personal taste and system matching what you choose for. Cheers |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1234 Registered: Sep-04 | Michael, My experience is that they appear to get a lot better in the first 100 hours or so but they go through another 100 hours going 'off' and then 'coming back on' until they settle at their exemplary level of performance. So all in all, 200 hour burn-in... Regards, Frank. |
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Bronze Member Username: VirtualkeithSan Francisco, CA United States Post Number: 15 Registered: Dec-05 | Hi Everyone, I tried to post a few times, but the server went down or something while I was typing.... (Maybe I got too long winded....) I got the Dynaudio Stand 1's and have become a believer in good speaker stands. I can't believe how cleaned up the sound is now! I am really delighted with the Focus 140's and the B&W PV-1 sub adds a subtle bass line that the 140's sometimes don't reach. (depends on the recordings) I don't think the PV-1 sub compares to subs with 10 and 12" drivers, but the bass it does produce is so tight without rocking the floorboards. It leaves most of the attention on the 140's which is fine with me. I can't tell you how many hours I have of run in time at this point, but I feel like I've heard a "relaxing" in the vocal range. The treble is still so sweet and seamless, not fatiguing to listen to at all. Elderion, I ended up getting the Rotel RCD-1072, and you were right, I am happy with it. (especially now that one remote does it all I looks as if our little family is growing here. Michael, congratulations on your 110's. Hope you enjoy them. Bvan, thanks again for starting this thread! It looks like more and more people are benefitting from it. I'm glad I'm finished shopping for my audio equipment. It was exhausting!! listening and thinking....listening and thinking.... Happy listening all, and enjoy your purchases!! Regards, Keith |
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Bronze Member Username: Dfantom32Irvine, CA USA Post Number: 50 Registered: Feb-06 | Keith, I'm happy for you also that your done your assignment or let say a journey like me on the speakers. Tomorrow I will stop by to the store and close the deal...hehehe at long last my journey has come. I will let you know guys what happen after this...hehehe |
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Bronze Member Username: VirtualkeithSan Francisco, CA United States Post Number: 16 Registered: Dec-05 | Adrian, Good luck with your purchase! Let us know how it goes for you. Regards, Keith |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 105 Registered: Dec-05 | Keith, The PV-1 looks like a beautiful piece of art. My wife really thought they were gorgeous when we saw it at the dealer. I'm glad to hear you finally got great stands for the 140s. I know what you mean about the convenience of one remote, I have four remotes laying around, since my system is all mix-match. Sounds like you got an awesome system for many years to come. Adrian, Good luck today on your venture. Hope to here your happy news soon. Eld. |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 106 Registered: Dec-05 | Opps here = hear My brain is in sleep mode. |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 88 Registered: Jun-05 | hey keith. i'm curious how you got your sub set up. are you running speaker level connections? high pass filter? what you got the sub's low pass set to? have you measured the dynaudios in-room to see what there -3db point is? i'm starting to question whether i need get a sub. (music is 90% my priory, and i wouldnt mind spending the money on a new pair of ski's instead) as mine stand i dont think i'm missing any musical content save on a few trance albums and maybe peter gabriel. but i have got the speakers set up in a possition that is a bit of a compromise between frequency flatness and frequency extention. if i had a sub i would be able to place the speakers where they gave the flattest response and not have to worry that at this possition they start to roll off at about 50hz. also, anyone have any opinion on using a subs high-pass filter i.e running the dynaudios mids and highs through the sub first. are most subs likely to degrade the signal or are their wires and filters up to par? cheers b. |
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Bronze Member Username: VirtualkeithSan Francisco, CA United States Post Number: 17 Registered: Dec-05 | Hi Bvan, I have my sub connected via the speaker level connects due to the fact that my Rotel receiver does not have pre amp out jacks. (very surprising as my old Yamaha had them) Therefore, I can't make a sonic comparison between speaker level connects vs. Line In. What I can do though is make a comparison with the sub on and off as it is connected to my B speaker outputs. The front of my sub is rounded with the drivers firing out 90 degrees to the left and right. Given that, I have the sub placed in a corner off to the right of one of the dyns so the drivers are firing into both walls of the corner. (hope that's understandable) It seems to fill the room with the most bass that way. B&W suggested in the manual that I start with the sub's controls as follows: Volume control 12 o'clock (mid way) EQ switch to position 1 PHASE to - Low Pass to -6dB cut-off frequency of the satellites The low pass has been tricky for me as dynaudio only posts -3dB figures and it says at -3dB would make the optimal setting between 0.6 and 0.9 times the -3dB frequency depending on the roll-off alignment. What I ended up with was the volume set as they recommended as well as the EQ. I changed the PHASE to + as it seemed to have a more cohesive sound, and I set the High Pass to 45Hz. I need to fine tune more. I've been having a small problem with Radio Frequency interference living in a city, and I've spent most of my time so far trying to alleviate that problem. To answer one of your questions, No, I have never "measured the dynaudios in-room to see what their -3dB point is". Truth be told, I wonldn't know how. On that note, here's a question for you, how do you take those measurements? What equipment do you use? I can only tell you that in my 16' x 12' room, the dyns sounded best along the 12'wall about 5 ' apart and about 1 1/2' from the rear walls with the sub off to the right of the right speaker. Unfortunately though, this left the speakers in front of a San Francisco South facing Bay window which exposed them to tons of sunlight. Since this is only a rental and I'm hoping to buy soon, I didn't want to ruin them, so now they are along the 16'wall about 6' apart and 1' from the rear wall. I've had the foam plugs in and out of the port holes, and although without the plugs, I occasionally get too much midbass, I find that with the plugs in, it loses some of the airy 3 dimensional quality that I love so much about these speakers. I find on certain recordings, when I switch the sub on and off I don't hear any difference, but on other recordings with a full frequency range, there is an undeniable difference. Even the vocals on some tracks seem to drop into the room at a much more realistic level. In the case of my particular sub, the difference so far is really subtle, but I also know this sub needs a lot more time to run in. It'll be interesting to see if it ever gets closer to it's claimed 18 Hz. (probably not with my source equipment) but now I think I'm hearing lows down to 35 Hz or so. (just a guess) Bvan, I say if you enjoy what you're hearing now, go for the skis! You can always get a sub later. Whatever your choice, make sure you enjoy it! Regards, Keith |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 89 Registered: Jun-05 | thanks for the reply. yeah, got to sometimes myself that i got other interests, lest i become the audiophile geek my girlfriend often accuses me of being question first, you say you got your hight pass at 45 hz, do you mean low pass? if you running speaker-level to the sub you cant be using bass management at the same time can you? i.e running the high passed signal back to your pre-amp. to measure the frequency respose you need a radioshack spl meter(analogue will do fine) and a cd/dvd of test tone sweeps eg the AVIA dvd or rives audio error corrected cd. i must warn you though, you might be shocked and depressed when you see what a typical room can do to a carefully engineered speaker respose curve. possible dips and peaks of around 15db! but with some judicial placement i got mine down to 8db. strangely enough, when i had my speakers firing long ways down the room i had a flatter response(6db error) than i have now with them on the long wall, yet i prefere the sound now. so freq response is not everything. but a spl meter will help with integrating the sub. you cant really go by dynaudios recomendations if you want to be accurate i dont think. i mean the difference in moving myself or my speakers 40cm can mean the difference between my speakers rolling off at 50 or at 35hz. its hard to appreciate the effects of the room untill you see the dial on the spl meter going through wild fits. but i recon youre right to enjoy the music for the moment and worry about this stuff when you finally get settled. cheer b. p.s if your software has info to 18hz the sub will play it. if youre not hearing anything it could only be because youre sitting in a null. you source component will be outputting a flat frequency respose regardless. i.e expensive cd players dont measure any worse than cheep ones |
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Bronze Member Username: VirtualkeithSan Francisco, CA United States Post Number: 19 Registered: Dec-05 | Sorry Bvan, I did mean low pass with the woofer. Thanks for the info. I've only been going by what I hear and not by any meter readings. Maybe I'll just continue to live in blissful ignorance until I get to my home that I'm going to live in for a long term. In the mean time, I'll just enjoy less than perfect sound quality. (wait, isn't there no such thing as perfect sound anyway? ) |
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New member Username: KevindPost Number: 1 Registered: Mar-06 | Hi All, I have been monitoring this discussion for quite some time and it made wanting to pay a visit to the Dynaudio dealer. Unfortunately I did not hear any of the Focus range as they are not stocked yet. I only listened to the audience 42s with some Krell company. Needles to say that they got me hooked So here is my situation: The Salesman told me that the Focus range will be available in May, so this gives me lead time to plan and budget. I will eventually end up with a Krell amplifier for my Dynaudio setup. For financial reasons this has to be done in stages, so what the sales guy suggested is to seek a good quality reasonably priced a/v receiver for the moment and get a Krell Showcase amplifier when funds allow, leaving the receiver for the processing job. Then I foresee that the second upgrade will be the Showcase processor. Another possibility I see is that if I do a clever decision on the receiver I might as well choose the Krell 3250 3-channel amp to handle the fronts and centre rather than the showcase 5. This leaves the surrounds driven by the receiver and might skip the showcase processor upgrade. But then probably I will have to consider the Contours, at least for the sound stage if I were to take this route. I would like to hear your opinions on what receiver you would pick to drive two pairs of 140 + 220C. My room is only 14'X10'X9' but the idea of moving house is already being discussed with my other half and when/if this happens I will make sure to place my toys in a better room. Preferred amps are the Yamaha RX-V2600 and Harman Kardon AVR635 & AVR 7300. I like the up-scaling feature and HDMI availability of the 2600 but, on specs it seems that the HK will do a better job in driving the Dyns. Sorry for such a long post, this is my first one and I got exited. Anyway, I look forward for your feedback. Cheers Kevin |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 90 Registered: Jun-05 | if it were my money i'd get a arcam avr-300, and if it didnt have enough power for my room size maybe krell or bryston or the like to power the fronts. just my 2c maybe frank will respond, he has more listning experience than most of us as you may have gathered if youve read most of this thread. hope he doesnt mind me quoting him on something he said re krell: "to me a Krell system is about as interesting as watching paint dry. Very impressive of course with fantastic resolution, depth, soundstaging etc., just no music. I would choose the Naim over the Krell any day." you think the contours have a better soundstage? the dealer say this? dont know whether its true or not but i have heard of more than more than one person prefering the focus over the contour, so you might be able to save yourself a few bob there. i'd at least audition both first before dishing out for the contours. hope this helps cheers bevan |
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New member Username: BolithoTeignmouth, Devon UK Post Number: 1 Registered: Mar-06 | Hello, I AM NEW TO THIS SITE BUT HAVE FOUND MANY OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS USEFUL.I HAVE JUST UPDATED MY SYSTEM WITH THE CYRUS 8VS AND CD8X + 2X POWER SUPPLIES. THE SPEAKERS THAT I ENDED UP WITH ARE THE DYNAUDIO FOCUS140. (PREVIOUSLY TRIED THE AUDIENCE 52'S) AT THE MOMENT RUNING THEM IN WHICH I'M TOLD WILL TAKE SOME TIME. THE ITEM I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THE 'CAN'T BE HELPED SLIGHT DAMAGE TO UNDERSIDE OF THE SPEAKERS WHEN PLACING THEM ON THE SPIKES'. YOU JUST CAN'T, UNLESS YOU ARE REALLY LUCKY DO IT IN ONE HIT. NO MATTER HOW CAREFULL YOU ARE YOU DO MARK IN VARIOUS PLACES. I AM USING THE DYNAUDIO S4 STANDS WHICH MATCH THE SPEAKERS WELL. DO MOST PEOPLE GET OVER THE MARKING AS TIME GOES BY? I WANT TO USE THE SPIKE SYSTEM AS IT DOES MAKE THE SOUND TIGHTER AND ALSO RECOMMENDED BY DYNAUDIO. THE CYRUS EQUIPMENT ALSO DRIVES THE SPEAKERS WELL BUT WAS ADVISED THE NEED FOR THE POWER SUPPLIES. THATS ALL FOR THE MOMENT AND HOPE THIS CONTINUES TO BE AN INFORMATIVE FORUM? |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 91 Registered: Jun-05 | 'what you cant see doesnt hurt you' is how i get over it. otherwise blue-tack is as good sonically, if a little different sounding, so they say. b |
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New member Username: KevindPost Number: 2 Registered: Mar-06 | Thanks Bvan for your feedback. Your mentioning of Arcam reminded me of also of Rotel. Only recently they both (Arcam & Rotel) have appointed an authorized dealer over here and they both make no nonsense amplifiers / receivers. I will surely include them in my auditioning list. Bryston is not represented here but I managed to find a Parasound Dealer although I doubt it if he is still in business. As regards to Krell, I'm more willing to agree with you especially when considering their hefty price tag. I'm sure that there are good electronics that drive the Dyns just as good without breaking the bank. I might add that the salesman did a good job in promoting his Krell. Having sad that, I would be interested in knowing what Frank has to say in this regard. Bvan, can you please lead me to his postings as I didn't find them. Also your comments about the contours made me wondering why I have considered the Krell. Your post made my thinking leaning towards a good a/v receiver rather than the processor / power amp route. At least if I go for the Focus. Richard thanks for your input, I will keep it mind when I get hold of my 140's. Cheers Kevin |
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New member Username: DynnnnaudioooThe Netherlands Post Number: 9 Registered: Feb-06 | Greetings fellow dynaudians, At the moment the 140's are breaking in quite nice. The sound get's more loose and the bass gets better defined. I had the same problem like Richard when putting my speakers on the spikes from the stand. But it is only the downside of the speaker and once the speaker is placed on the stand you don't see it at all... |
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New member Username: KevindPost Number: 3 Registered: Mar-06 | Reinder, I'm glad you are happy with the 140's. I presume that you have auditioned them with other good electronics other that Arcam. So, what made you want to partner them with Arcam - and what Arcam gear do you have? Can you please expand on this a bit further? Since they are still out of stock I cannot audition them so your views would help alot. Thanks Kevin |
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Bronze Member Username: Dfantom32Irvine, CA USA Post Number: 55 Registered: Feb-06 | Hello fellow Dynaudians!!! Just letting you know that I got my 72SE's, Focus 200C and a Marantz SR8500...the color of the speaker is cherry which matching my AV shelf rack and it looks good in my entertainment room ...after setting up the system I listen right away with my testing cd which I used for testing speakers...the highs, mids & lows are totally balanced oh man so clear and take note I didnt configure the setting from the receiver yet and it sounds good already. Now I'm looking for rears and a subs...I'm thinking of 42's and SVS or HSU subs. Any info on this setup? |
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New member Username: KevindPost Number: 4 Registered: Mar-06 | Adrian, I like Marantz stuff and I see you are happly with it. I got the impression that you have only the front row of speakers since you said you are still in search for rears. If you stick with the SR8500 I think that, at least, for the time being you better steer away from a 7.1 set up and settle up for a 5.1. This will (I beleive) releive that amp from some heavy loads. Those dyns you have mean business and will drain the the power from that processor especially at high volumes. A worthy upgrade would be a Rotel RMB1095 or 1075 to drive the 5.0 and leave the surround back for the Marantz. If you go for the 1095 or perhaps Parasound A51 you might then condider the contour s3.4 for the fronts and shift the 75SE to the back. But that is assuming you have a moderate to big room...if not there is still the S1.4 which I beleive is a worthy upgrade from the 72SE. As for the sub you might want to consider Rel. I read in another forum that many Dynaudians have Rel subs and are very happy with it. Then there are also the Dyn.sub250 and Sub300. Have you ever had the change take a closer look to the Yamaha YST-W1500? Yamaha promote it with a 1000W amplifier and is also equipped with a remote. I think that is sells for less than Rel. That's mu 2c. Enjoy Kevin |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 92 Registered: Jun-05 | kevin, found it here. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/146311.html read an interesting review last week in hifi news for a new rotel 2 channel power amp, 635w into 8 ohms. that might be my choice for the most cost effective way of blowing out you window panes, if your going that route. i'm not too clued up on receivers, especially which ones would have the power to drive 5 focus of contour floorstanders easily, but there is one just come out that i'm betting would, the new NAD master series pre/pro. might be worth investigating. i've paired a number of dynaudios with a number of nad amps and have always thought them a very good match for each other, both sonically and power wise. cheers b. |
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New member Username: KevindPost Number: 5 Registered: Mar-06 | Thanks Bvan I will go through it. Do you happen to know what rotel model is that you read the review? Mentioning rotel, I searched on the official site and noticed that both the current processors do not have the XLR's for communicating with the amps (RMB1095). Am I correct? As for the NAD I am tempted to steer clear due to the much discussed hissing issues. That said I really like the T773 and it sells cheaper than the HK AVR7300. Rgds, Kevin |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 93 Registered: Jun-05 | was called the 1092 i believe. i doubt nad will do much wrong with the new master series. concidering the price bracket and competition, issues like channel hiss would sink the new lineup. after the lack of success of the old upmarket silver series(which had nothing to do with its performance i believe), my business acumen tells me they wouldnt be putting their necks on the block with the new products unless they were pretty confident about its performance. worth waiting for reviews on it perhaps. sorry, not sure about rotels xlr's. b. |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 110 Registered: Dec-05 | Kevin, I think the model Bvan is refering to is the Rotel RB 1092 digital amp. I have heard many great reviews regarding this amp. My dealer is setting up a special listening room when it arrives at his store to showcase it. Adrian, Congratulations again bro, welcome to the Dynaudian family. The 42W would work great as HT rears, unless you want to play multi-channel music, then the 52SE would be a better choice. For subs, I like the Velodyne, Dyns and Rel, haven't heard the HSU or SVS yet. Did you get a chance to check out the Contour S3.4? I just read an article at AVguide regarding the Focus 220, the reviewer (Sallie Reynolds) gave it a huge recommendation, but did noticed the same layback sound that I noticed and commented that "the voiced dominated in ways not entirely normal," pretty interesting, worth a read if you are looking into the Focus 220. Happy listening, Eld |
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New member Username: LoremPost Number: 1 Registered: Mar-06 | I just purchased some used 110s and have been listening to them for the last week and I am a bit underwhelmed by them. Seems like it's missing a bit of midrange detail. Sounds seem to blend together and the vocals can sound recessed. Overall, they sound soft and laid back. This was not what I was expecting at all. I had owned some Audience 52s. It's been a while since I've listend to the 52s but I remember them having a deeper and wider soundstage. They had the ability to "disappear". They also exceled at keeping insturments separate even in complex mixes. I think the term for that quality would be "fast". I was hoping the Focus series would improve on these qualities but they sound completely diffent. I am really puzzled. Would the 140 be better than the 110 in these areas? |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 111 Registered: Dec-05 | Lorem, I bought the Focus 220 and returned it for the Audience 82. The 140 is better than the 110 in soundstage, but IMO, lacks the soundstage and highs of the Audience 52s. The Focus line excels in warmth and are non-fatiguing. I think your taste and mine are similar in this case, where we are both looking for more natural vocals and bigger soundstage. The Audience line provide a much different music presentation than the Focus line. In my opinion, I think you might want to investigate the 52s sound again. Eld |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 113 Registered: Dec-05 | Lorem, After reading Sallie review again, the Focus 220 seem like they are extremely sensitive to placement. Sallie was able to get the speaker to shine after playing around with the placement. Off-axis performance is not its strong point, have you try playing with different speaker placement with the 110, maybe that will help. Eld |
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Bronze Member Username: Dfantom32Irvine, CA USA Post Number: 59 Registered: Feb-06 | Eld, I wanted to test on those contours but the store dont have on the floor. So no chance on it...  Kevin, Oh yeah I will use 5.1 HT setup not the 7.1 and also this setup is for start up only later I will go for seperates. But probably it will take me 4 years or more to upgrade(receiver) again...hehehe |
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Bronze Member Username: Dfantom32Irvine, CA USA Post Number: 60 Registered: Feb-06 | Eld, Actually I'm thinking of 52se's but when I check on there price...oh man the price is $1500 of course I need to get stands so it will add up and the cost will be same with 72 or 72se... hehehe |
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New member Username: DynnnnaudioooThe Netherlands Post Number: 10 Registered: Feb-06 | Hello fellow dynaudians, Kevin, I have an Arcam Cd73/A80/T61 set. Listened also to Arcam A65 amp and dynaudio Focus 110, but finally I went for the 140 (the 110 was too small for the room). I also listened to the Audience 52 with Arcam and NAD but was dissapointed. It was, as far as you can describe it, "slow". The Focus range is "faster" Offcourse it is al a matter of personal taste. Funny, it is the opposite opinion of Lorem Ipsum... I agree with Bvan that the speakers are sensitive for the right placing. Away from the rear and side wall, about 2,5 meters distance between them and just a little toed in. Regarding your question on the choice of electronics Kevin: I always had Nad, Marantz or Denon in mind but after listening to Arcam I forgot all about that. I regret only that I did not compare it with Rega. I read good reviews from that brand. But hey, after a year and a half of listening, looking, smelling and touching you do want to have something at home to enjoy it! |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 115 Registered: Dec-05 | You are right about personal preferences. Last nite, I found that the Focus 200C and Audience 82 were actually a very nice combo for multi channel music. The highs and soundstage were there from the Audience and mids were there from the Focus. Talking about a strange combo. I agreed with dealer that they sounded awesome. Then he showed me what the 3 front speakers could do without the 150 sub; we didn't notice it was off. Dynaudio are wonderful speakers, a flavor for everyone out there. |
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New member Username: KevindPost Number: 6 Registered: Mar-06 | Thanks Reinder for sharing your experiences with your Dyns and Arcam. As I am more of an HT guy, I will consider the AVR300. Regards |
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New member Username: BolithoTeignmouth, Devon UK Post Number: 2 Registered: Mar-06 | Going back to the problem of marking/scratching bottom of speakers whilst setting-up. Has anybody thought about puting any protectors under the speaker? Perhaps small metal disks that could be affixed to the underside. I remember a long time ago seeing a manufacturer doing just this. Am I becomming a bit neurotic over this subject? |
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New member Username: KevindPost Number: 7 Registered: Mar-06 | I checked in rotel web site for the 1092 and to me it seems that it has a very high WAF factor. Giving its dimentions it is easy to stack multiples of it and rotel has also a monoblock version (1091) 500WX1. Compared to the RB1090, it is almost 6 inches shorter in hight and rated 500Wx2 @ 8ohms as against 380Wx2 for the 1090. Rotel also claims a 1000Wx2 at 4ohms load(perhaps an overkill for the 140s). 2 of 1092 + 1 of 1091 would be 27.6 cm high and the 1092 is 24cm. That's an important issue as I am a bit tight on rack space. As for the class D technology I am a bit lost here, not that I know A to Z of how an amp is built and what components are used. I agree with you Bvan, it would be interesting to compare this clsss D versus the class AB of the 1090 in a review. Perhaps if you have already auditioned the 1077 (100x7 class D) you may post your comments. I presume that it will take some time before my local dealer has a 1092 in for a demo. |
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New member Username: ReinderThe Netherlands Post Number: 1 Registered: Mar-06 | Kevin, The Arcam AVR300 is an impressive machine. In the shop they told me that it is one of the few receivers which is also musical in "just stereo" mode (compared with Denon, Marantz, Yamaha. Do you option for a seperate DVD player and CD player or just one player? |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 116 Registered: Dec-05 | Richard, There is no easy way to prevent damage to your speaker. The best I can recommend if you really really want to prevent most of the damages is to sandwich the speaker (top and bottom) between two rubber sheets, then two thick metal sheets, clamped all together (watch your clamp force, you don't want to compress the speaker). Then connect the clamps to the stands. If you are creative, this can actually look nice. I hope that made sense. |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 117 Registered: Dec-05 | Also, If they are not black, you might notice coloration differences with age between the sides and top and bottom. |
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New member Username: BolithoTeignmouth, Devon UK Post Number: 3 Registered: Mar-06 | I wish to thank ELDERION for his response on 15/3 regarding the prevention of scratching the underneath of speakers when using spikes! I must say it has squeezed the last ounce of sound from my speakers. For this I thank you! When I made the suggestion of a form of protection I was being SERIOUS. As you know when the final placement of speakers occurs you will probably have moved then to the right to the left, backwards and every which way! The result is that the underside of your speakers could look like a pin board! Having spent large amounts of money this is something that you may not be willing to do? I have found some sort of soulution if one still want's to use spikes. At a local hardware store I found some CORK furniture protectors which have an adhesive back. These I placed on the underneath and it does give you some latitude to experiment with placement and not further damage the underside. I think this is a sensible approach and worth trying. Perhaps!!! One other thing about runing in the 140's. I am away for about 3 days and thought about leaving the system playing throughout this period. Can anybody see a problem with perhaps any harm coming to the CD/AMP over this prolonged period. I use a Cyrus 8vs, CD8x + 2xpower suplies. Any thoughts please. |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 126 Registered: Dec-05 | Richard, Sorry you took my suggestion as not being serious. It is just one way not to damaged your speaker. Not sure how much affect it would have on your speaker sound. I'm glad you did find the cork solution, even though the glue will damage your speakers. Rubber adhesive pads would have worked as well. I would be careful that the glue doesn't become ineffective over time. Happy listening. |
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New member Username: ReinderThe Netherlands Post Number: 2 Registered: Mar-06 | Richard, Don't you have a tuner? I turned the radio on for about a week to run the speakers in. |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 99 Registered: Jun-05 | wasnt trying to be flippant myself, sorry if it appeared that way. it also causes me a small measure of discomfort putting holes in my speakers, but i try tell myself, to whatever effect, that it shouldnt matter if i dont see it or cant(can?) hear it. works to some degree. i wonder though if using spikes but then putting something like cork or pennies between the spike and the speaker is any different to having the cork/penny sit on a flat speaker stand(sans spike)? one of the advantages of spikes must come only when they are imbedded in the wood i.e that the speakers are 100% unable to move back and forth by any degree. re break-in, the only risks that come to mind are lightning stikes and/or the ire of your neibours. if the neibours are an issue, try the out-of-phase-with-blanket-over trick. and if you have regular electrical storms in your locale a surge protector might be a good investment. cheers b. |
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Bronze Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 100 Registered: Jun-05 | p.s Frank, you ever get a chance to try out the 140's with the nait5i? cheers b. |
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Bronze Member Username: Dfantom32Irvine, CA USA Post Number: 72 Registered: Feb-06 | Hello fellow Dyns owner!!! Well, sorry for the time being of not going here 'coz you know I'm still checking with my bay (new system) and honestly speaking I'm very proud of it with my Dyns. Just letting you know guys I did make some adjustment on my speaker (moving around) and it ends up a better sounds. Like what Frank told me try to move a little bit till you get the body (feels that the singer is there - acoustic) and depth. Oh man much better than before. Well, kind of curious did anyone here have try or experience with RMB-1075 with 72se's? I'm thinking of getting that (i did save some money on this hehehe ) at least I can get more from my speaker. |
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New member Username: ArkimusPost Number: 3 Registered: Mar-06 | Adrian, The RMB 1075 will only offer a slight improvement to the Marantz 8500. You should look into Rotel 1080 or similar amp for driving the 72se's to their potential and use the Marantz for HT. Another option that is almost as good as the Rotel 1080 are the Outlaw 2200 monoblocks, which are driving my 82s pretty well. I would get three of the mono's for your LCR and use the Marantz for rears. I actually think you are fine with the Marantz, you are missing some low end performance from the 72se, but if you are getting a power sub in the future, that would cover it. Cheers. |
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Bronze Member Username: Dfantom32Irvine, CA USA Post Number: 73 Registered: Feb-06 | Arkimus, Thanks for your help on this...well, your right on this I did notice I missing some lows from 72se's but I'm happy with it anyway. I dont usually listen to hip/hop music with more bass on it but like what you said if I'm getting a sub which I'm planning for my HT will cover up the lows. Thanks again! |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1267 Registered: Sep-04 | Hi Bvan, Sorry mate, I didn't get a chance and then I forgot and then I was put in a different shop for a day...phew! I'll *try* to remember to do it! Kevin, are you Maltese? I'm a Maltese living in England. The reason I ask is that if so I know who the dealer for the Krell/Dynaudio stuff is in Malta. Nice chap. Does slow business with both those brands and does it because he enjoys it. He has possibly the best prices for Krell in Europe. His Dynaudio prices seem reasonable. I was a little put off last time I popped in (a few months ago) because I saw a Dynaudio Audience 50 for sale at full price - it was discontinued about 3 or 4 years ago. On the subject of Contours, they have not sold at all well in the UK, and my understanding is that they have not done too well elsewhere in Europe. Performance-wise they're OK, but not world beaters (which is what Dynaudios usually are). The 140s and 110s would fill your room more than happily. The Krell kit is not my cup of tea musically, but if you're in Malta you have severe restrictions in terms of what you can get which will be supported by a good dealer. I find it interesting that Arcam have a dealer down there. He's not on the Arcam site, but I do know there is a HT custom install dealer who gets Arcam when he needs to. Arcam's AVR300 is a stunning value for money item here in the UK (£1300). It's not incredibly high powered but it performs very well indeed since it has a remarkably free and open preamp stage. It's also the most musical of the surround receivers I have heard at that sort of price range. It would fill your room easily, even with 140s. Incidentally, if you are a bit tight for space, you could hang on the rear wall (or side wall at the back of the room, the Audience 42W or dinky Contour SR. Either would match well. The Contour SR is a unique item in the range. In the Showcase price range, Arcam have the FMJ offering which is excellent. The new AV9 seems better musically than the older AV8 and that was no slouch. The power amp remains excellent value and Arcam have separate slim power amps if you prefer. These improve on the 7 channel item in both looks and drive, particularly the monoblocks. You should not stack power amps on top of each other. Power amps usually use convection cooling so your lower amp would effectively be heating your higher amps. You should at least separate them with something so the hot air vents out the sides or front and back, not directly heating the amp's innards. The 7-channel amp requires at least 3 inches of clear air above it. Arcam's higher end DVD players are also excellent players. The DV79 matches the AVR300 but I have sold a lot of the top of the range FMJ DV29 with both AVR300 and AVR250 (not an option in this case I think). The DV29 has a fabulous picture and musically is a fine performer if not as good as a good CD player. If you want to stay within one brand, then either the DV79 or DV29 are fine performers. If you want the best picture then the Pioneer 989i is probably the one. Try to bear in mind cabling. It does make a difference and I have no idea what is available in your area. Here, I use Chord Co. cables because they're a good natural match. After all this, Rotel also makes good quality kit. I don't think it's in the same league as the Arcams but one thing it does have is a great deal of power. The Class D item was very well reviewed, but that's a bit of an anomaly in the range, being as special as it is. Class D amps tend to be great with steady impedance loads but they can suffer with awkaward loads and Dynaudios are a bit awkward. So until I've tried it (not in the near future), I won't know how it'd drive this stuff. The RMB1075 has loads of power. No question that it would be able to drive almost anything though. However, I find it a bit slow. It's a little coarse by comparison to the clean-sounding Arcam. The Krell/Dynaudio dealer will happily do a demonstration for you and I think this is important to do. If you haven't heard this stuff then you need to hear it so you know whether it's to your taste or not to start with. Regards, Frank. |
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New member Username: KevindPost Number: 8 Registered: Mar-06 | Hi all....sorry for this huge delay in replying as I have been kept busy away from my pc. Hello to you Frank, I very much appreciate your comments and advises. Your guess is right...I am Maltese...I wonder how you figured it out though! Was it that obvious? He he You are absolutely right; we have severe market restrictions. Auditioning is possible but limited to the shelf stock, which is not a lot. Side by side comparisons and home demos are hardly an option. When I bought the previous amplifier (Yamaha DSP-AZ2), it had to be specifically ordered for me against a deposit and the only "audition" possible was by doing a google search and by reading the Yamaha product catalogue over and over again. I had to wait for more than two months for it but luckily it turned out to be a good choice (imo). The only reason for selling was that I definitely had to get rid of my speakers set up (Bose AM10 serIII+AM5). Experience, knowledge and forums discussions have made me wanting to upgrade. I have 'sold' the amp and speakers to my father, he is very happy with them especially considering the small price he paid. I like the RX-V2600. I was looking at the new Kef iQ3 and iQ6c to partner the 2600 with but my wife reminded me of Code M Systems. She works as a Sales Rep. with a local importer and this guy is one of her clients. Immediately the name Dynaudio came into my mind and went to have a chat with the salesman. He had me listening to a pair of 42s hooked up to a Krell amp which I do not remember the model. I liked the sound although a bit bright. Due to budget restraints it is impossible for me to buy Krell and Dynaudio at one go, so I decided to take the receiver route and then add a power amp if need be. I had Yamaha and Harman Kardon brochures with me to show them to the Dynaudio guy. To my surprise, he steered me away from the Yamaha as he felt that (according to the catalogue specifications) it will not be capable of driving the dyns properly, being 4Ohms. He liked the HR AVR635 and the AVR7300 and highlighted the high current of +/-50amps and +/-75amps respectively, explaining that this is one of the most important specs to look at when buying an amp and that very few manufacturers publish it, including Yamaha. I also mentioned NAD but he was not particularly interested (strange, as I kind of like the T 773 being cheaper than the AVR7300 although a bit 'old'). We agreed that he will get an AVR635 and set up a demo but the speakers will be from the Audience range. I asked for the Focus 140 but he told me that will not be available prior to May. So I am a bit stuck with regards to Dynaudio till the Focus range will be stocked. In the mean time, I continued my search for a suitable amp to partner with the Dyns. I have emailed Rotel and ask them if there is a dealer here but they told be to go to Italy! Interestingly enough I then received an email from a sales manager of a hi-fi shop dealing with B&W, Harman Kardon, and Kenwood saying that they are appointed Rotel dealer. I phoned to enquire about this at their shops and nobody seems to know about this. As for Arcam, Frank, I know who the HT installer is you mentioned. He has opened a new shop at Mosta. Some time ago I walked in and they were very friendly even though back then I was not it the market for an upgrade. They seem to be very professional and have a very nice home theatre demo room. He also imports Anthony Gallo speakers I was told. I remember me asking if he is an Arcam dealer and he said yes. Recently I checked in the Arcam site but to my surprise he is not listed, so I phoned and asked them again. Strange enough they said NO but they told me that they have an AV8 /P7 set up which may be selling. I think that these where installed in their demo room to which I have incidentally already auditioned when I first walked in the shop some six months ago. Perhaps I will check it out in more detail as it seems to be a highly regarded set up although the AV8 is replaced by the AV9. What concerns me is the fact that it is second hand and there is not an Arcam authorized dealer here in Malta so will not be properly backed up if something goes wrong. My quest continued with the Parasound. I know who sells them, a very nice guy and he also deals with commercial cinema set ups. I liked the 7100 processor and the 5250 amp (not to mention the HALO) but there again a bit pricey although cheaper than Krell Showcase. Besides the only audition he offered is by convincing other Parasound owners to show me their set up. I think that my best bet, considering the market and budget limitations is a Harman Kardon AVR635 or maybe the AVR7300 (if I will be nice and kind enough with my wife) Once again apologies for a late reply and thank you for your time. Comments are welcome as usual. Best Regards, Kevin |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1289 Registered: Sep-04 | Kevin I feel for your situation. From my profile you'll see that I have a pretty high end system. However, for a bit of fun I am investing in an AV9/P7. I may not be able to live with it after what I've enjoyed for the last few years, in which case I'll go back up to something spectacular again. I've been really rather impressed with the P7. It can drive my speakers which are absolute pigs to drive (far worse than most Dynaudios). I've always rated the P7 as exemplary value for money and this just feeds into that. I know the AV8 quite well. The main difference between that and the AV9 is that the AV9 has HDMI switching - 4 or 5 sources, which is unique as far as I know. Sonically, the AV9 might be a bit better but to be honest I can't really tell a huge amount of difference. It's a fine performer but you should get a good chunk off the price (say 25% - 30%) since it is discontinued as well as demo stock after all. Since the Mosta chap is not on the Arcam site, I would suggest they have a more fluid relationship with Arcam than one would call a dealership. Of course, you'd need a decent front end too. As to Code M, I like what he's trying to do and I like his approach. I had tried to come down to Malta to open a HiFi shop in 2004 - 2005 but I didn't think the market could sustain what I wanted to do so I discarded the idea eventually. Code M would have been good competition to have. Dynaudio make very good speakers indeed. The Audience range is excellent competition for the money here in the UK, and their prices where you are seem reasonable (about the same IIRC). FOCUS is more difficult to drive. You'd be better off with Audience unless looking at the AV8/P7. Dynaudio can't be biwired/biamped and they're all 4 ohm so you need power. That said, they are not a reactive load (4-ohm through and through) so once the basic power requirements are sorted, you should be fine. I do like NADs but they do not sell well. I suggest you listen to Code M on this since he also knows what you can get backup on. He wants you to come back so he's more likely to give good advice! Good luck in your quest. Regards, Frank. |
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New member Username: HenrikToronto, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-06 | Hello, Wow. Excellent information in here. I'm just about to splurge on a new system. I'm planning to buy a pair of Dynaudio Focus 110s. I've also come across a used Exposure RC Superx amp. It's about 10 years old, doesn't come with a manual, and the seller wants Cdn$1000 for it (90 day warranty). I've listened to it driving the Focus 110s and like the sound. Can anyone give me advice on whether this is this a good amp and a good price? Do I need to worry about it breaking down? The reason I'm considering used, is that I can't afford new right now, otherwise I'd get the Arcam A80. Henrik |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1317 Registered: Sep-04 | Henric I don't know the Super X. I knew the earlier X and XV which were lovely amps, if a little bright in my view. The X was renowned for blowing up (hence the name Explosure) if you did something nasty like unplugging the speakers with it switched on, but other than that it was a fine amplifier. Regards, Frank. |
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Bronze Member Username: RavbainsMelbourneAustralia Post Number: 36 Registered: Mar-06 | Hi, I had a listen to the Dynaudio Focus 140, at my local Dynaudio dealer in Melbourne last Saturday. Unfortunately, the demo was in-conclusive, since the Focus 140 I listened to was very new, and it sounded extremely tight. The dealer to his credit, did suggest if I am not in a hurry to come back to the shop again, when the speakers are fully loosened up. And also indicated that a home demo is a possibility. Listening was performed using my own Avi integrated amp, and the CD player the dealer hooked up was an Arcam Diva CD-192. Now I did a comparison, to some Dynaudio S1.4, which were sounding very good indeed. Also I noticed that the cabinet volume on the Focus 140 is much lesser than that of the S1.4. The cabinet of the S1.4 has much greater depth. This was reflected in the far greater bass weight of the Contour S1.4, even though I feel the Focus 140 that I listened too has far more to give yet. But, also I noticed that by any reasonable standards the trapezoid shaped cabinet of the Focus 140 is extremely rigid. But in comparison the S1.4 is totally in another league, the cabinet feels absolutely rock solid on the S1.4. Perhaps it is somewhat unfair to compare the two speakers so directly, since the S1.4 costs $4800 AUD, and the Focus 140 $3000 AUD. But I was left with the impression that the S1.4 was the greater value of the two speakers. The real rub for me is that I don't like the way the S1.4 looks!!!! Dynaudio has really gone a funny way in terms of the aesthetics, and the S1.4 has a very strange integrated stand base, designed specifically for a dedicated Dynaudio stand. I just wish that Dynaudio still made the Contour S1.3se, since this speaker left an even greater impression with me than the S1.4, the S1.3se is IMHO just a sublime speaker. Luckily for purchasers of the Focus range, they share the same classic look of the old contour range. I will listen again to the F140, but my gut tells me that the S1.4 is a greater value, and will serve me a lot better in the long term. Also a key point is that my instincts tell me that the F140 is not such a significant upgrade from what I have right now (very humble NAD 802 2-way bass reflex standmounts). Also my Avi amp did a superb job driving the S1.4, which is a an extremely power hungry speaker. There was no problem at all, the AVi could drive the S1.4 to levels where I started to worry about the bass/mid driver on the S1.4. In the meantime, I am going to audition a Wharfedale Opus 3, at another dealership. I wonder if the AVi can manage to drive this large 3-way floorstanding speaker? The Opus is a little out of my budget at $7500 AUD, but I am intrigued to see what the Avi can do. I do not know if the Opus 3 is a difficult load, but I imagine it to be so, since in terms of crossover it is a 3way design, but with 4 drivers (treble, dome-mid, and two large woofers). I am awaiting the return of my Sony XA-5ES from the mod shop before I go and demo the Opus 3. cheers Rav |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1318 Registered: Sep-04 | That AVi amp can drive just about anything! I don't believe the Wharfedale is particularly difficult to drive (91db, 6ohm) so it shouldn't be a problem. If the FOCUS 140 was new and not run in, then I'm not surprised that the S1.4 would outshine it so much. In my view a fully run in 140 is better than the 1.4. I think the 1.4 has too much bass. Yes, it's beautifully built with a fantastic cabinet but the port is just too obvious. As to the look, the new Contour range has been a poor seller for Dynaudio in the UK. We are convinced it's mainly because of the looks. Regards, Frank. |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 154 Registered: Dec-05 | Ravinder, Once the 140 breaks in, it will really open up. I love the mids and extension of the 140. The only thing I have against the 140 is the Focus tweeter is just too laid back for my taste. The s1.4 is really nice for a monitor, but in that price range, I would look to the Audience 72SE and Audience 82 floorstanders. Unless space or amp power is an issue, in my opinion, these guys run circles around the s1.4. They really need about 250wpc in 4 ohms of high quality power to display their full range, dynamics and details. Give them a listen if you haven't already. Good luck. |
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Bronze Member Username: RavbainsMelbourneAustralia Post Number: 40 Registered: Mar-06 | Hi Frank, and Eld, thanks for your input guys. Wow, I am surprised you guys think so highly of the F140. I really liked the S1.4, but perhaps I am a bass fiend ;-) But my all time favorite Dynaudio is definitely the S1.3se. I did not find the tweeter on either speaker laid back, the tonality was just about spot on for my tastes. I will see how I go, I am not in a rush. I have many irons in the fire at the moment. As soon as I get my CD player back from the mod-shop I will burn it in, and then take it along with the Avi for a demo of the Opus 3. Also demo's are hard for me, since the room I have at home is simply incredible acoustically speaking. I listen to mostly rock and pop, and at home the drum kit sounds simply awesome at the moment, even on my humble NAD 802s. I think I really need a home demo of the S1.4 versus the F140. cheers Rav |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 157 Registered: Dec-05 | Ravinder, The Esotec tweeter in the S1.4 is very nice. My favorite is actually the s3.4, but it cost too much for me. I guess you don't want floorstanders. I believe the Audience 72SE have the same tweeter as the s1.4 and their mid/bass drivers are from the old Contours. Very nice and balance speaker. The Audience 82 benefits from a dedicated midrange, and separated cabinet compartments. The D260 ESOTEC is a nice blend as well. The Focus have the ESOTEC+ tweeter, which is one too many "+" for me. Their mid/bass driver is probably the best though. But honestly, you can't go wrong with any of the choices, it all personal preferences. Keep us posted on your quest. Cheers, Eld |
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Bronze Member Username: RavbainsMelbourneAustralia Post Number: 52 Registered: Mar-06 | Hi Eld, Frank, just a snippet of info. According to the manufacturers specs, if these are indeed reliable !?!! My Avi integrated amp should have plenty of power/drive. From my limited experience this seems to be bourne out. I quote from my amps owners instruction manual back page....... Maximum power output (Both channels driven): 8 ohms, 1KHz, 1% distortion ...........175W 4 ohms, 1KHz, 1% distortion ...........300W *2 ohms,1KHz, 1% distortion ...........420W *Power delivery for approx 5 seconds before protection. In the case of the Opus 3, I think it looks like an easy load 'on paper', 6 ohms nominal 91dB/w/m. But the laws of physics must apply, those 4 drivers plus each crossover circuit are sitting in parallel across the amps output terminals. I guess in this case '6 ohms nominal' really does mean 'nominal'. I would like to see a full impedance plot and see what that '6 ohms nominal' looks like in the mid-bass region!!!! cheers Rav |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1329 Registered: Sep-04 | Rav As I said earlier your Avi has more than enough power to drive most speakers. The laws of physics most definitely do apply! According to the manual (on their website), the impedance variation is 4.0 - 28, so it definitely doesn't drop that far. This makes the Opus a relatively easy load, and one that your dinky little amp would eat for breakfast. I have used the Avi on far more difficult loads than that. Incidentally if the Opus 3 is quoted at 6 ohm nominal, it will not drop below 4 ohm guaranteed. That's how they can quote 6 ohms. Of course, you have to like the Wharfedales first! regards, Frank. |
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Silver Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 152 Registered: Jun-05 | i hear there is a review of the 140's in the latest edition of stereophile. anyone got a copy and wouldnt mind posting a short summary for us non-USAians? cheers b. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 3186 Registered: Feb-05 | It's a very good review Bvan. Final paragraph = Prefer geniality to grammar "If there's such a thing as an $1800/pair loudspeaker that isn't for audiophiles , I'd say it's the Dynaudio Focus 140. I don't mean that it doesn't adhere to such audiophile tenets as truth and accuracy, and I certainly don't mean that it doesn't measure well (I haven't seen JA's measurements , of course, but Dynaudio speakers are engineered in Denmark - they'll pass). What I mean is that it doesn't take an audio village to make the Focus 140 sound great. It does take time to get it ready to sing, but after that, it's golden. If you value tonal consistency and sure footed rhythmic stomp, Dynaudio's Focus 140 is singing your song - or will be in a few hundred hours." They liked it. It wouldn't work well with my setup it's too inefficient and seems like it's a bit much of a load for amplifiers. Think I'd prefer ProAc's or Von Schweikert's. If I had a big solid state amp the Dynaudio's would be on my short list. |
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Silver Member Username: BvanCape Town, Copenhagen,... Post Number: 154 Registered: Jun-05 | thanks very much for that art. always good to hear the hifi gods agreeing with ones better judgement. by 'audio village', they mean associated electronics i take it. does this mean one can get by with a relativly small amp? you dont seem to think your prima luna would be up to the job. track 4 on modern cool about to start, got to dash, thanks again, b |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 3188 Registered: Feb-05 | 4 ohm, 85 db sensitivity, and plentiful bass all add up to = difficult load. I wouldn't get the most from them with my amp. My Studio 20's are very easy on my amp. Don't get me wrong I'm looking to the future like most audio nuts...lol! |
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Gold Member Username: NuckPost Number: 2352 Registered: Dec-04 | Art, do you figgur the Rotel 985 would do the trick? |
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Silver Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 181 Registered: Dec-05 | Art, Awesome choices in speaker brands. Thanks for the info. on the review, too. The Dyns can live with small power but really do shine when they are given nice power and headroom. Even the the Audience 42 showed huge improvement going from Rotel 1066 to the Rotel 1095 in details and clarity at low volume. At first, I thought I was hearing the 52s, before I realized my dealer friend switched amps instead of speakers. IMO, the Focus are definitely much hungier than the Audiences (Spanky vs. Alfalfa). |
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