I just got it and didn't have a chance to try before getting on the road again, Stof. I will try it out this weekend,when I get back from Memphis, and post any findings.
The foil does not affect your system, it affects how you feel about your system. It affects the tangible palpability of your system. It stimulates the humour, temper and passionate aura of your music. Therefore any review, whether you've listened to your system with foil in place or haven't listened at all would be satisfactory to us and just as relevant. Spill the beans, Nuck, Memphis should have halucinatory effects on how you feel about your music. Or not. Foil cannot stand up to Beale Street.
Well thank you, thank you verry much It's West memphis Ar. I go to, but all the same, I shall proffer comments when I give 'the foil' a critical ear. Jan, I swear you have read the propaganda.
Now Nuck, do not do a review on this foil until a week or two after you put all 14 pieces on all your gear in your system, you will get about 14 2mm pieces out of this strip of foil. Its already marked on the foil, just cut it there. The best places to put the foil is on top of all transformers, metal frame inside the gear, AC plugs(on the outside of the plug), on the front of the speaker cabinets, on the TV screen at the bottom and inside on the back of the picture tube where the gun is at, it looks like a tube out of some tube gear, put a piece of foil on that tube part there. Things get even better after you put the Cream Elecret over top the foil, you can get a free sample of cream too.
" ... on the TV screen at the bottom and inside on the back of the picture tube where the gun is at ... "
Excuuuuuuuuse me! The connections at the back of the tube carry several thousand volts, even when the TV is not power up. Many a would be DIY'er has allowed the spark of a shorted picture tube to be their last vision of a bright, white light calling them. Stupid is one thing, dangerous is another. Unfortunately, they often keep each other company at the funeral. JW, engage your brain a bit before unloading this kind of advice.
Jan why are you getting in the way of the man's fun with technical facts? If that's where he get's his kicks, then let him.
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Sorry about that Jan, this is the safe way to do this. I called a TV repair person before I did this and he told me to first turn the TV on and then turn the TV off by unpluging it at the AC cord, then wait an hour before taking off the back cover. This is safe to do if you do it this way! This the way I did it with all my gear in my system.
"JW, engage your brain a bit before unloading this kind of advice."
What's the point in asking for the impossible?
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Before I do my grocery shopping I was wondering if I should buy a name brand foil[Reynolds etc] or can I get by with a cheaper generic brand? I would hate to go to all this bother and realize I bought the wrong foil. Or maybe since we all know cd's sound better if they are stored in the freezer I should just stick my head in there for 10 minutes or so before listening. Any help [psychological of course] would be appreciated.
I would hesitate to open the back of any TV in any case, most particularly if you have no idea what to touch and what will kill you. The flyback transfomer holds a possibly lethal, and certainly educational, voltage for several days in some cases. Put your heart in the path between the transformer your right hand touches and the ground your left hand rests upon and you will be in for a very nasty surprise. This is lesson #1 in "Experiments in Electrocution", the "How To" of electronics repair. Do not risk the chance of, at the very least, learning what not to touch again when you decide to remove the foil from the inside of a box filled with high voltage (a few thousands volts here) circuitry. No matter what anyone says, the chance of "feeling better" about your picture tube is not worth the risk of not feeling at all. The same goes for putting anything inside your electronics beyond a dual "AA" dry cell flashlight. They might not have the voltage potential of a TV but they still have that little sticker that basically says "keep your hands outta here". And for good reason.
Just hold this stuff in your lap like a puppy and consider how much better you feel about being alive instead of dead. The picture will look much brighter and the sound will be much more "lively". As a matter of fact, just get a puppy and forget the damn foil!
I haven't paid any attention to Mr. Belt's ideas for many, many years. For good reason. Doesn't he have something that amounts to an aluminum hat you wear that doesn't require exposing yourself to potentially lethal voltages?
LOL!!! I wasn't even aware of who this guy was until I started hanging out around here!
I however WAS aware of JH, and how fantastic he thought the bose 901's (ugh) were in his "legendary" review of them in stereo review (I believe)
wasn't he also the guy that thought all amps sounded the same? (JH)
sorry... OT know
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Jan, I have already did this on all my friends TV's and gear, if this was not safe I sure would'nt post it here on any forum!
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Too bad we don't have a way to contact JW for the negligence suit. NEVER tell someone to enter the innerds of high voltage equipment unless 1) They are trained electricians 2) You have a good disclaimer and legal representation You are mostly right Jan. The caps in a TV can hold a lethal charge for not just days, but weeks or sometimes months. Trained repair people discharge them before working on them.
I have come to the realization that because John Wagner has multiple different writing styles, it is probably multiple people posing as a single person.
We'll call you "Lucky" from now on. JW, why are you so damned obstinate when someone raises an objection to the less than intelligent things you suggest? Just what is it you get out of this foil deal? If it is merely personal satisfaction at converting another to your ways, why fight so hard? Even David Koresh let some people run from the burning buildings at Mount Carmel. You don't seem to understand the potential danger you are suggesting to people and yet you insist everything is OK. In my book, that attitude alone makes you a poor disciple of Mr. Belt. So what do you get from all this?
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Jan, you have to put this foil in the right places or you will not hear and see an improvement! If you do not want do this the right way then just try two Clever Little Clocks and enjoy alot bigger improvement!
"Jan, you have to put this foil in the right places or you will not hear and see an improvement! If you do not want do this the right way then just try two Clever Little Clocks and enjoy alot bigger improvement!"
Lucky, I didn't ask for a product endorsement; did I? Care to answer my question?
Put this icon full screen when you listen to your music and I swear to "the Big Giant Head" you will hear frequencies that your system has never even thought of!
Here is the first impression of the foil in question.
Firstly, the reference layout. The player is pioneer dv578A, the interconnects are handmade with Shure connects and Shure cable, hand finished in silver solder. Power is H/K avr55(no Rotel amp for this test). The speakers are only Psb Stratus Silver towers, Stereo mode, cd straight.No subs.
The speakers are set up on 14' centers, with an 11' focal point. The odd measurements accomodate large open areas behind each speaker, one into a large laundry area, the other into a large storage space.(okay, its gonna be a bedroom someday!).
The listening couch is also against the rear wall, but the arrangement will suffice for a listening comparison.
Note, the speakers themselves are light on bass, and with no sub, would not satisfy everybody, I would not listen to them this way except for the odd Etta James, but it is a fair comparison.
The material to be compared tonight starts with Brian Adams'cuts like a knife'. The track is the first, 'the only one'.
This being a favorite, I only needed to listen twice through(without the subs) to be fresh. Then I added, as the leaflet suggested, a strip of the product to the disc(in no particular manner), and, most importantly, a strip so as to cover the word 'disc' on the Phillips logo for cd.
A copyright infringement? Karma? Mojo? Who knows? So I does so, and push the platter.
That particular disc sounded ...quicker and more accurate.
I know it's goofy, and I am the first to discount the virtues of such folly.
However, a placebo, or alcontentment may be just that. And accepted as such. I have yet to try better recordings, though.
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Yes, this foil improves the sound of your CD'S and DVD's but its even better when you go thru the steps for freezing your CD's with the foil and cream on them!
My follow-up post did not make the board, for some reason, so I re-do.
The results as posted are due largely to the influance of Uncle Jack, your mileage may vary.
Further, I applied the foil to Jan's Emma cd, and was happy to find that it sounded absolutely the same. Foil removed. Cannot improve the quality or selection, much as I cannot improve the poster of Jane Russell.
It can't be done.
My endeavors will include several other recordings, however, at this point I cannot say yea or nea...
More to fallow, er, follow.
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Nuck, here's how to hear more of an improvement with your CD's. First, take a freezer bag and put your CD in the bag with the foil on the CD (its better if you have the cream to put on both sides of the CD too) After that wrap it in a towel and put in the freezer for 24 hours. Then put it in the refrigerator for 24 hours. Then put it in the coldest part of your house for 24 hours. Then you do all of these steps one more time. One more thing you leave the towel wraped around the CD thru all these steps. Do it this way and I bet your hear an improvement on all your CD's!
Take your cd's and put them in a plain brown paper bag, no store logo's or anything. Now take the bag and store it in a cool dry place for about, oh, 3 hours to acclimitize.
Next place the paper bag over your head for about 45 seconds and inhale the digitized music. Never mind if you get a tad dizzy, this means that the music is being ingrained into your skull. For thicker skulls, add more time. Y'all might need 90 seconds or so.
Next, stagger to your front door, for a bit of fresh air, this helps to 'acclimate' your senses a bit. But don't gasp too hard, because at this point, you must tuck your hands into your armpits, flap your elbows and crow like the dawn is near. In fact, after so much O2 deprivation, you may just believe it.
OK, Nuck, you've made up for Sally Q. Speaker-Hunter or whatever her name was on your imaginary thread a while back.
My question is for Lucky. "Do it this way and I bet your hear an improvement on all your CD's!" Wowsers, Lucky, you ol' beanpod you! I shove my frozen CD into the freezer, fridge, darkened corner twice and all my CD's will sound better!? Great!!! I got some junky old piece of trash CD some rep gave me fiften years ago that's getting schmeared with cream cheese and chives and into the locker it goes tonight. I'm even setting my magic clock to when I can retrieve this little jewel. Damn! Old CD, cream cheese, clocks and everything is sounding better already. Wait! That's the ice cream turck down the street! Hell, even it sounds better!!!
The monkey chased the weasel ... La di da di da di da dum.
Now Nuck, you can't hear the full effects of this tweak until you order a free sample of Cream Elecret and then go thru the steps for freezing your CD's with the foil and cream on them. Believe it or not but I do all my components and cables this way too! Better sound from JW !
Whajja havin' tonight, Nuck? Creme de Lucky? I bet he's got your address too; doesn't he? This will turn into a Halloween movie and you'll see Lucky everywhere you turn and every freezer or jar of mayonaise you open. Hey, I bought a new roll of aluminum foil today. Think I'll freeze it so it keeps my broiled chicken better.
Lucky - Are there any foil hats or any cream we can utilize to help with this "thinking about it" proposition? Or, should we stick our heads in the freezer? As I've stated, it has been a decade or more since I last paid any attention to Mr. Belt's "ideas". However, at one time I was rather familiar with his tweaks and the one thing I distinctly remember was his unswerving devotion to allowing the listener the time and desire to discover whatever improvements were wrought totally on their own. He did not jump up and down. He did not hyper-ventilate. He did not cajole nor berate. He did none of the things you are doing, Lucky.
Lucky, old boy, you are taking this as a personal affront. You seem to think we assume you don't have a clue. On the contrary, we view you as someone who has sunk to the deep end of the pool on this, Lucky. You've taken Belt's ideas and, no matter whether the tweak works or not for you, you've made it a cause celebre to villify our reaction to you. You, sir, are the one who is missing what Belt is suggesting. Think about it!
Lucky, we merely picture you as a torch wielding zealot. Someone who would burn down a building over a cartoon. There's no fun for us in that attitude. We don't get to enjoy the joke when it's our building that's being burned down. Lucky, you are now officially someone who has lost all perspective on this hobby. You are exactly what Belt warns against.
This is hardly what Belt is all about. Put the Kool-Aid down for a while, Lucky, and just listen to the music again. And let us do the same. That's what Belt is all about.
Think about it, Lucky.
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We'll have Lucky's answer right after this commercial break.
JW... you can come out of the closet, I can hear you all the way across the continent!! It really is disheartening to know what you REALLY use that cream for!
