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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 53 Registered: Sep-05 | I checked some out today and they sounded awesome! http://www.revelspeakers.com/ They have great highs and very good bass. The highs and lows had such a natural sound, great combination. I listend to the I think it was the F32 speakers in the performa line. http://www.revelspeakers.com/products/product-overview.asp?ID=14 They are expensive at about $4200 a pair, which would be worth it if you have the dough. Does anyone know of better sounding speakers for that price, or something very solid for that kind of money? |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 555 Registered: Feb-05 | um... Revel are VERY well known in the audiophile community. asking someone on the board (or any audiophile) if they have heard of revel is like going to BestBuy and asking someone if they have heard of Bose. I apologise if that seems a tad rude. other brands worth considering for that kind of money that I have experience with are: martinlogan Aeon i or Vantage (electrostatic... $3000 to $5000 a pair) thiel cs 2.4 ($4400 pair) von schweikert vr4jr ($3500 a pair I believe) magnepan 3.5R (planar magnetic-$3500 pair) joseph audio RM25si Signature Mk2 ($3500 pair) B&W 800 series speakers Paradigm Signature s4 ($3000 pair) there are many, many other speaker manufacturers out there, and they all have their distinct characteristics. None of these brands that I have mentioned sound alike, and I have a personal preference towards the magnepans and paradigm signatures. The maggies and sigs give a lush, detailed midrange, highs to die for, and bass that is tight as a drum head. All of these brands, IMHO, are worth a look-see |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 54 Registered: Sep-05 | Gavin, What do you think of the Paradigm Studio series(60's)? and what price range are they? |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 55 Registered: Sep-05 | gavin, what's the audiophile community website? |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 56 Registered: Sep-05 | Gavin, I have a Yamaha reciever RX-V757(110 watts channel) how will this receiver sound with Paradigm speakers? I was thinking about getting a Marantz, but that might be a rediculous purchase since I got my Yamaha 5-6 months ago. |
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Silver Member Username: DavidpaPortland, Oregon US Post Number: 120 Registered: Nov-05 | Revels, a very nice package, simple as that. One gavin forgot to mention is the aerial acousics line, I just purchased some after demoing most of what gavin mentioned, if possible I would also suggest a listen to aerial acoustics model 7B, approx. 5,000$us. This speaker line is very neutral, and gets out of the way so you can just listen, demo as much as you can, thats most of the fun anyway. Good luck. |
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Bronze Member Username: WestcottLeague City, Texas Post Number: 70 Registered: Oct-05 | Revel is part of the Harmon Group. Lots of research and double blind testing for a scientific method approach to audio. I have listened to several of the Revels and was very impressed with the F12s and F32's. Very good off axis sound for home theater but lacking somewhat in the bass department using the B10. The C12 was very impressive, especially for the price. Unfortunately, I do not think they are well suited for a larger HT room unless you spend the big bucks on their F52s or their more expensive model lines. The F12's with a couple of good subs would be a nice sounding package. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 57 Registered: Sep-05 | Thanks guys for all your help. After really thinking about speakers and how much to spend, $2000-$2500 is about all I want to spend for mains. I really like the Paradigms so that is what I will probably end up going with those. I have another "delima", I have a Yamaha RX-V757 receiver, would it be a waste of money to get another receiver like Marantz which I auditioned the Paradigms with and some people suggest goes well with Paradigms. Or just by me a nice amp that would work well with Paradigm speakers? I only want to spend around $1500-$2000 for another receiver or amp. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 556 Registered: Feb-05 | TDog, when I was referring to the "audiophile community" I was not referring to an online message board, but a theoretical community. This message board has quite a few audiophiles, myself included. To answer your question, the Paradigm studio 60's are AMAZING speakers for their price, and are "only" $1700! I would DEFINATLY check them out, along with the studio 100, which are a little more expensive. I would also forgo a reciever, and get a dedicated amp. You can get some great equipment in the $1500-$2000 price range you specified. |
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Silver Member Username: ZiggyzoggyoioiOutside Philadelphia, PA Post Number: 236 Registered: Jun-05 | The Yamaha will make for an excellent pre-amp, since it really does have all the bells and whistles you're likely to need for a while. You'll get much more bang for your buck by adding an external power amp. Outlaw offers the best bang for the buck for multi-channel amps, but you could also consider multi-channel amps from NAD and Adcom in that price range, and others if you're only looking for a 2-channel amp. |
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Bronze Member Username: EldTexas Post Number: 29 Registered: Dec-05 | Tdog, Paradigm Studio 60v3 are very nice speakers, I have no reservation recommending them for general listen and HT. I love the sound of the Marantz with the Paradigms, I like them better than the Anthems, not sure about the Yamaha, since I haven't heard this combo. If you want another step-up, I recommend you listen to the Spendor S8e, Dynaudio Audience 82, ProAc Studio 140, all for around $2700-$3000. All three speakers have very large soundstage, clarity and imaging. The Dynaudios are awesome in both HT and music applications, their center channel is by far my favorite. The dynaudio S3.4 is one of the best all around speaker but they go for $5000. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 559 Registered: Feb-05 | thanks ziggy, I thought that the yammi could be used as a pre, but wasnt sure. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 58 Registered: Sep-05 | Gavin, I found a website that has the Studio 60's for $1359 a pair. My yamaha has preouts, so adding an amp will be easy, at least I think it will. Which Center Channel would go best with the 60's CC-470 for $559 or CC-570 for $719. the price doesn't matter I was just listing it to let you know what they cost. Elderion, I will check out Dynaudio. |
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Silver Member Username: GmanMt. Pleasant, SC Post Number: 818 Registered: Dec-03 | Onix makes beautiful and great sounding speakers too. The Onix Rocket RS850 at $1999 is excellent. I set up a friend with them and we both adore the sound and the looks. The Onix Reference 1.8 is also great @ $1999. The Paradigm Studio 60v3 are also excellent, as are a number of Magnepans if you have adequate amplification and a good subwoofer. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 59 Registered: Sep-05 | Gregory, I dont like the look of the Magnepans, so those are out. Is there a onix website you could give me. I'm trying to search the web and can't find anything. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 60 Registered: Sep-05 | Elderion, I have a problem with being able to audition the Dynaudio, there isnt any dealers close by. I would have to drive about 3 hours to hear them, and I don't want to do that. I live in Des Moines Iowa. Unless someone in Des Moines has them and would let me listen to them. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 566 Registered: Feb-05 | TDog, have you ever heard of MartinLogan, I am in awe of the MartinLogan clarity, which is priced at aroud $2700. I almost bought a pair last year, but had to put a ton of money in my car. MartinLogan speakers use electrostatic technology, which lets the listener hear the music like no other speaker on the market today. Not to mention the fact that you can actually SEE THROUGH the speaker. The presentation lets you close your eyes and picture the original performance. The soundstage envelopes the whole room. www.martinlogan.com |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 567 Registered: Feb-05 | I actually own magnepans, its funny you say you don't like the looks of them...lol its either a love 'em or hate 'em affair |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 61 Registered: Sep-05 | what does the V3 mean in "Paradigm Studio 60v3"? |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 573 Registered: Feb-05 | v3 means "3rd revision" paradigm is currently on the 3rd upgrade to the series, and they are much improved over the ones they replaced. They v2's had a tendency to be a little recessed in the midrange, while being a little "look im the tweeter" in the highs. as a result, you could hear the crossover with certain recordings. My Sarah Brightman CD's were horrible at doing this. However, with the v3, paradigm has tamed that tweeter to the point that it sounds positivly orga$mik! The mids haev been increased in level as well, so they aren't as recessed (or it may be just that the tweeter level has been fixed). The midrange and treble now meld seemlessly together, and I have an increasingly hard time hearing the crossover. so the v3 is definatly worth the choice over the v2. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 62 Registered: Sep-05 | Gavin, Where is a good place to get them online? |
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Gold Member Username: NuckParkhill, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1303 Registered: Dec-04 | Gavin, is it the same 1" metal dome tweet in the v3's? |
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Silver Member Username: GmanMt. Pleasant, SC Post Number: 826 Registered: Dec-03 | TDog-- To find Onix speakers copy and paste the following address to your browser, or just click---http://www.av123.com/products Peruse the Rocket series and the Reference series of speakers. They are both excellent. Their self-powered subs are both excellent too. |
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Gold Member Username: Frank_abelaBerkshire UK Post Number: 1200 Registered: Sep-04 | TDog, I am concerned with the way this thread has gone. Are you building a system for HT or for music. When building any system the electronics are very important and should be given as much thought as the speakers since they do sound different. Moreover if your priority is music, then you may find yourself building a very different system to one prioritised for HT. You started off by asking about Revel speakers. Revel is part of the Harman Kardon empire, but it is a very specialised part, in the same way as Mark Levinson is a very specialised part of Harman's electronics side. You may have heard of Harman Kardon but not Mark Levinson. Well, Mark levinson is held in the same regard for electronics as Revel is for speakers. My main concern is that you have heard something which obviously had real impact on you, and you have been steered away from it (not purposely, just the way it happened). Now you are talking about Paradigm and a distinctly lower priced solution. I'm sure you're aware that if you buy something else you will be getting something that sounds different, not necessarily better or worse, and you should really hear it before buying if at all possible. The other thing is that you didn't say what was driving the Revels when you heard them. If there was a megabuck ML system behind it, then I wouldn't be at all surprised at your reaction. In the end the speakers are the last thing in the chain between the CD and your ears. What CD player and amplifier are used will make all the difference to the sound you get. Good luck in your search. Frank. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 575 Registered: Feb-05 | thanks nuck, it must have been a crossover revision frank, you are right as usual. That is the reason why I brought up paradigm SIGNATURE series, which have speakers in the same price range (and a little more pricey) than the revels that were mentioned. Being that the revels are so stunningly accurate, they will point out all differences in the upstream components. You will hear the CD player and the amp. You can't pair them with cheap components. The same is true with the paradigm signature series. The paradigm studio series, while truly amazing speakers that perform above their price point, do not have as much resolution. you will be able to get away with a more inexpensive amp. KEEP THIS IN MIND IF YOU HAVE TO MEET A BUDGET! This is not to suggest that the studio series sound bad (by all means, I would buy a pair in a heartbeat) It is just that they lack the last degree of resolution. But, this is in comparison to speakers that cost DOUBLE their price to my ears. I hope I worded that correctly |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 576 Registered: Feb-05 | also, you can NOT buy paradigm speakers online, they are a boutique dealer strictly speaker company. If you buy their speakers online, you will be sure to void your warrenty. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 64 Registered: Sep-05 | Frank, My system in mostly for HT, but some music. The revel speakers were hooked up to a Marantz receiver(145 watts per channel) don't know the model # and no amp, and Marantz dvd player. After thinking about the money for the revels, I just don't want to spend that much money for 2 speakers($4200), Maybe for a whole system. Gavin, I listened to the Paradigm Studio 40's and 60's today. I thought they had to much bass in the 60's, the 40's had less bass which was better. The midrange in the 40's still was a little to much midrange for a clear distiction of the highs and lows, and the bass was just overkill in the 60's. I'm glad I listened to them thinking that the 60's or 40's would be much better than the Monitor 7's, so I really liked the sound of the Monitor 7's the best. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 65 Registered: Sep-05 | Gavin & Frank, Have you guys heard or heard of PSB speakers? I listened to some Image B25 today. I was very impressed with the distinction bewtween highs and lows. Would any of the PSB speakers compare to the Paradigm Monitor 7's? |
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Silver Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 915 Registered: May-05 | Some people actually prefer the Studio 20 over the 40. Have you heard that one? |
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Silver Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 916 Registered: May-05 | TDog - PSB Image T55. I own them. I think they're better than the Monitor 7 in every way. Same basic sound and presentation, just better to my ears. If you don't like as much bass as you've alluded to earlier, check out the PSB Image T45. Some people prefer these over the T55. |
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Silver Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 917 Registered: May-05 | Sorry to keep posting - The image series towers use the same tweeters and woofers as the bookshelves. They differentiate themselves most notibly in bass response and lower mid range. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 585 Registered: Feb-05 | if you liked the monitor 7's best, and felt that the studio 60's had too much bass, I would HIGHLY reccomend that you take a listen to the SIGNATURE S2's!!!!!!!! These are a monitor type speaker which many people feel are the best of its type. The bass is full and natural. I have never heard midrange reproduction so natural out of a monitor as I have heard out of these. And the highs... Well, it sounds like the tweeter isnt even there. It just doesnt jump out at you. It just sounds right. you might like them...you might not. but, what does it hurt to look? PS: I think that the monitor 7 is the best tower in the monitor series. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 67 Registered: Sep-05 | Gavin, Unfortunatley the Paradigm dealer did not have any of the signature series in at this time, so I didn't get to hear the S2's, but would have like to. How do you feel about the PSB speakers compared to the Paradigms? |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 68 Registered: Sep-05 | Stu, I like bass in tower speakers, I just dont like it when bass over powers the highs like I felt the Studio 60's really did and the 40's were better but not great and I would not buy them, I would buy the Monitor 7's before those. I will have to go check out the PSB T55's to hear what they sound like. I found another PSB dealer about 30 miles away. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 586 Registered: Feb-05 | TDog, how far were the speakers (studio 60's) out from the walls? How big was the room? What power source was being used? What type of music was being used? These are all valid questions that need to be answered before you can rule out the studio 60's. They are a MUCH better performer than the monitor 7's. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 69 Registered: Sep-05 | Gavin, I sat about 10-12 feet away. The wall behind the speakers was about 3 feet away. They were powered by a Marantz receiver 145 watts per channel. I did watch matrix the 2nd movie. Music I dont know who I listened to. not sure on the room size, it was not a large room, but not small either. |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 589 Registered: Feb-05 | ok, the speakers need to be approximatly 3.5 feet away from the wall to perform their best, and will do so in a larger sized room. The movie that you watched is KNOWN for its prodigidous low frequency output, so in that case, the speakers performed as expected, with mindblowing bass. In reguards to the reciever, those speakers CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT be driven by a reciever, unless it is from the likes of: Rotel Krell Adcom B&K McIntosh Onix intergrated NAD intergrated There are people that will say that you can power Paradigm studios with a reciever.Art will beg to differ, along with myself. When you do so, they don't open up, unless it is one of the ones that I mentioned above my advice to you is to take some music of your own back to the dealer. But give them a call before you return to them and MAKE SURE they can have an amp / preamp combo set up for you. If they tell you it won't make a difference... find another dealer. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 70 Registered: Sep-05 | Gavin, When I listened to the Monitor 7's, they were powered only with a Marantz receiver 125 watts per channel and they sounded wonderfull. After listening to the Studio's I think they would be to much for my listening/video room. And now I am considering PSB Image Tower T55 or T45's, depending on how they sound. I really liked the Image B25 and if I liked those I'm sure I will like the T55's or T45's. What do you think of the PSB's T55/T45's in comparison to the Paradigms Monitor 7's? |
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Gold Member Username: NuckParkhill, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1325 Registered: Dec-04 | I am not too sure about the price point of this thread, but I might suggest the Psb Stratus Silver into this furball. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 71 Registered: Sep-05 | Nuck, I don't know any dealer that has them in stock in Iowa. Audiophileliquidator.com has them for $1500 a pair. How much better are they than the Image T55's? I don't know if I want to spend that much for 2 speakers right now, but if they were awesome speakers I might go ahead and spend some more money. Besides I can get the T55's for $519 plus shipping, dont know what shipping is yet. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckParkhill, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1328 Registered: Dec-04 | I bet the t55's are very good, check back with Stu on them.$1500 in piano black is not too bad, but having tossed them in, the price point doesn't match. I reviewed the silvers in another thread, and I am checking on the 55's drivers, if they are xo'd seperately as the silvers are. I think not. The silver and the silver i (newer) share common x'o's 1st class highs(I rewired them and added bigger resistors) 1st order for the upper 6.5's are solid core coils, the lower 6.5's are air coil, and 2.2 ceramics, allowing a very large inpedance curve. These numbers would make a speakers builder cringe, but the combo works very well with Rotel 985 power. The T55's should work very, very well. I have never had any problem with any Psb product, and can always get someone on the phone. Like live on the phone. In Canadian, eh? Quality threw and threw, no negatives. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 72 Registered: Sep-05 | What makes one of these better than the other? Energy Reference Connoisseur RC-50 PSB Image T55's Paradigm Monitor 7's The Paradigm might not be a factor after I listen to the Image T55's, due to there much cheaper online price that the dealer price of Paradigm. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 2759 Registered: Feb-05 | "I like bass in tower speakers, I just dont like it when bass over powers the highs like I felt the Studio 60's really did and the 40's were better but not great and I would not buy them, I would buy the Monitor 7's before those." Oh my! Sounds like someone had a poorly setup sound room or they didn't do a good job matching components. I have owned Paradigm speakers in both series (Monitor and Studio) for a very long time and know two dealers personally. In other words I have a world of experience with Paradigm speakers. The Monitor 7 isn't even close to as good as any Studio series speaker in any way. Anytime you get a result like you did you have to question how that happened, otherwise you have robbed yourself of the opportunity to hear some very good speakers at their best. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 73 Registered: Sep-05 | Art, The Sudio's were hooked up to a marantz receiver 145watts perchannel. You might be right on the setup sound rooom being an issue for proper hearing. However I think the 60's and 40's would be to much of a beast for what I'm looking for. What about the Monitor 7's vs. PSB Image T55's & Energy Reference Connoisseur RC-50 ? |
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Silver Member Username: GavincummNew York USA Post Number: 592 Registered: Feb-05 | you might want to take another look at the studio series speakers if you were that interested by the monitor 7's. don't write them off just yet because of one bad demo. Where you live, you should be able to find another ref. dealer that has them properly set up. It may be a little drive, but it will be worth it in the end, especially if you like what you hear. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 75 Registered: Sep-05 | Art, I don't know where another dealer is in Iowa, besides Des Moines, and I don't want to drive hours away to audition them. And I don't really want to pay the price the Studio's are going for. It's to much for me right now. What do you think of the PSB T55's & Energy RC-50 compared to the Paradigm monitor 7's? thanks for your thoughts. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckParkhill, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1341 Registered: Dec-04 | Stu reviewed the 55's awhile ago, I can't find the link!Doh! The energy's I heard last were 40's (i think) and they were a little...thin, I guess I'd say. 50's could be an entirely diferent animal. Either way a nice sealed sub seems to fill anything missing from either, the dealer had an 8" Tannoy for the Energy's and that worked not too shabby. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 76 Registered: Sep-05 | Nuck, What do you mean by thin? I think you are talking about the bass. If that is the case then the 55's have 61/2 woofers, compared to the 51/4 woofers in the 45's. What do you think of the Energy Reference connoisseur RC-50's? |
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Silver Member Username: ZiggyzoggyoioiOutside Philadelphia, PA Post Number: 238 Registered: Jun-05 | TDog, the Energy Reference Connoisseur series is fairly new, and I don't think many people on here have had a chance to hear them, myself included. That said, I compared Energy's original Connoisseur series with Paradigm, Polk, PSB and others in the $700-1k range a few years ago and found the Energy C-5s the best of the bunch to my ears. Great mids and highs, excellent imaging and transparency, with nice tight, controlled bass. I actually preferred the C-5s to the more expensive C-7s and C-9s. I would imagine the RC-50s to be an improvement over the C-5s, based on the specs, as much or even moreso than the Connoisseur series was over the e:XL series that preceded it. |
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Silver Member Username: Stu_pittIrvington, New York USA Post Number: 919 Registered: May-05 | TDog - Listening to all of us here is going to be enough to make your head spin. We all have different opinions of what sounds best. While we can do our best to describe them and even possibly push the ones we like the best a little more than the others, we really don't know what you're going to prefer the most I think the Monitors may be the weakest of the three). The Paradigm Monitors, PSB Images, and Energy Connoisseurs are all very good speakers and differ subtley. They all have a similar sound. I honestly don't think if they were in the same room with the same equipment one would be an overwhelming winner. Had I not heard the PSB's, I would have gone with the others without regrets. The best thing to do is listen to them and form your own opinions. That being said, my favorite of the group is the PSB. While I can't speak for Ziggy or Gavin or anyone else, I'd be willing to bet Ziggy's favorite is the Energy, and Gavin's favorite is the Paradigm Monitor. I think just about everyone would agree that the Paradigm Studios are a definite step above them. The most important opinion is - What do you think? The only way to know is to listen to them. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckParkhill, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1342 Registered: Dec-04 | I can't even try to comment on the RC 50's. The specs say the speakers are all very similar, and Stu sounds like the best of the bunch on this one. Personal preferences, again. If you get to hear any of the choices, I suggest you bring your best disc, and maybe your player, even the amp, make the trip worthwhile. Bring your 'I couldn't live without this cd stranded on a desert island' choice. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckParkhill, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1343 Registered: Dec-04 | And the operator says 40cents more for the next..3...minutes. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 2761 Registered: Feb-05 | I understand not wanting to spend the bread on the Studio's TDog. As soon as I saw that you listened to them with a reciever I knew that that cetainly contributed to what you heard. Anyone that would demo them with you on a receiver has shown poor judgement. That said I like the PSB Image series better than the Paradigm Monitor series. I find their sound quality to be between the Paradigm Monitor series and the Studio's. The '55 is a very refined floorstander for the money. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckParkhill, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1349 Registered: Dec-04 | I am a little surprised at your receiver thing, Art. Some of them have not bad power section, the 990Outlaw I am considering has a radio, too, although preamp. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 77 Registered: Sep-05 | I auditioned the Energy Reference Connoisseur RC-50's & RC-70's. they had a lot more bass than the PSB Image T45's or T55's. Better highs also than the PSB's. Just an overall better speaker. I felt the Energy RC 50&70's were much better than the Paradigm Monitors, but certainly not better than the Studio 40 & 60's in bass or mids. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 2762 Registered: Feb-05 | Nuck, most of the receivers with quality power supplies also have hum issues. Due to the impedence swings in most Paradigm speakers (not the Studio 20v3 that's why I kept them to go with my PL2 tube amp) they present a challenging load for any amplifier that doesn't come with the real goods. The receivers with better power supplies are the NAD, Rotel, Outlaw, Arcam, Lexicon, and B&K. NAD and Rotel have been known to have hum issues in the past, the Outlaw and Arcam's less hum and less apparent ability to drive difficult loads, and lastly by the time you shell out the moolah for the Lexicon and B&K you could have bought good seperates. The Energy Speakers mentioned above are very efficient and easy to drive. I've listened to my Yamaha (speaking of challenged power supplies) drive them to uncomfortable volumes. An excellent speaker for receivers. I had forgotten about them. |
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Bronze Member Username: TdogroederDes Moines, IA Post Number: 78 Registered: Sep-05 | Art, Are the PSB T55's easy to drive? My Yamaha RX-V757 is 100watts perchannel. I don't know if my house would be wired up to handle an amp if I got one, something the PSB dealer talked to me about. How do you know if your house is addequate for running an amp? |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 2763 Registered: Feb-05 | I had a 250 watt per channel Hafler and a 200 watt Outlaw mono block connected to my Yamaha receiver and had no problem. I can't imagine you would either. The PSB's are relatively easy to drive but those Energy speakers really sing with Yamaha receiver. I believe I heard the RC-30 and RC-50. It worked very well. The Yamaha did not perform nearly at all well with the Energy Veritas series. It sounded underpowered and ran out of steam long before the Veritas speakers got goin'. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckParkhill, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1357 Registered: Dec-04 | Art, which Psb's were easy to drive? I have had fits with the 200ci center and the Silver Florostanders, the Rotel and nothing less would drive them. Did I miss a step? Of course, you ran down the lineup of capable amps there. I had not heard of a hum issue with Rotel or Outlaw. Did you have an issue with the 200m mono? I believe that the silvers swing between 2.9 and 28 ohms, and present one of the most difficult loads to carry, and I might add, with very specific rewards at the end of the channel. |
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Gold Member Username: ArtkAlbany, Oregon USA Post Number: 2764 Registered: Feb-05 | The ones that TDog asked about. See post above mine. I owned The first 2 Rotel AVR's and both were plagued with terrible hum. I have not yet heard of hum from Outlaw or Arcam. I have heard of folks complaining about them having a little more finesse than they were looking for (which probably translates to "I can't drink Old E and kick it to my Motley Crue tapes with my CV's with this wine and cheese receiver"). I have not actually listened to upper end PSB's in quite sometime. The Outlaw Mono hummed like crazy until I put a 3/2 adaptor on it. In all fairness so did the Hafler. With the adaptor they were both dead quiet. |
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Gold Member Username: NuckParkhill, Ontario Canada Post Number: 1358 Registered: Dec-04 | Oh, I didn't see you had tried the T55's Art, sorry. Old E, tapes and the Crue, where is Paulie when you need him? Did the 3/2 fix the hum with the shield, you figgure? |