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New member Username: CinwhitePost Number: 1 Registered: Jan-05 | I have a 30+ year old Marantz 2230 receiver with 30+ year old Large Advent Speakers. The sound of this system is great. Especially the bass. However, I would like to start working towards a surround system. I am on a limited budget, so the receiver will be a starting place. I intend to eventually get some new surround speakers, but for the time being the new reciever will have to work just on the Advent Speakers. They may be old, but they are in great condition. Is this even realistic? Can Surround Receivers handle just two speakers? Or will I have to continue on with my current system until I can afford the speakers, also? I want to be able to hook up a PS2, DVD, Digital Cable and Tivo. I have a rather small living room with 11x15. I am thinking of a Yamaha, HK or Pioneer. I'd like to spend no more than $400-$500, if possible. There is just so-o much information out there, I think I am more confused now than when I started. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Cindy |
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J. Vigne Unregistered guest | You can use your Advents for now. If you havent taken the grill covers off lately, now would be a good time. The foam surronds on the woofers may have dried out and started to fail on the Advents. I would be suprised if you have a pair that haven't had this problem. Check that first, if the surrounds on the woofer are leaking air you will need to repair this before you proceed with your receiver purchase. You can find repair kits on the web and, if you are patient and decent with your hands, you can do the repair yourself for a few dollars. When you go to buy speakers to fit with the Advents you will have a bit of a problem with "timbre matching" the other speakers to the older speakers. Not much sounds remotely like the Old Advents. Certainly not the current Advents. The best advice I can give there is to shop around. You might find a salesperson who actually knows what the Advents sound like and can help. That won't be easy since most of the hifi salespeople in the stores weren't born when you bought your speakers. |
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edster922 Unregistered guest | > Can Surround Receivers handle just two speakers? Absolutely. The number of speakers you have hooked up to them has no bearing on the sound whatsoever. I have a 6.1 receiver running just 3 speakers and a subwoofer. > Or will I have to continue on with my current system until I can afford the speakers, also? In your case, this would be how I'd prioritize my purchases: 1. receiver 2. subwoofer 3. front mains 4. front center 5. rear surrounds 6. rear center (if 6.1) 7. rear centers (if 7.1) If you're happy with your Advents I'd just keep them and try to find a quality center speaker, if you're doing mainly HT as opposed to music then I don't think it will make a big difference unless you're really picky. Given your budget, these 3 receivers come to mind: 1. Marantz SR5400, $450 shipped, hifi.com 2. H/K 335, $470 shipped, JandR.com 3. Pioneer 1014, $400 shipped, JandR.com |
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J. Vigne Unregistered guest | Not to disagree with the above, but, if you haven't shopped for audio in thirty years and you are confused about what is currently available, follow the same procedure you did when you bought the Marantz and Advents. Go to a shop that handles better components and listen. Listen and compare. Don't take anyone else's word on what you should buy. Make up your own mind based on what you hear. This can't be done with a Big Box store or over the internet. The process did you well for thirty years last time. Do the same again. Find a decent audio shop. As I said, the likelyhood you'll find anyone who knows anything about your Advents (that were designed in 1967) is pretty slim in a Big Box. |
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Anonymous | Why not take your Advents down to your local dealers and see how they sound with a range of receivers it's well worth the effort. This way you will find the sound that suits you best. You will more than likely pay a bit more (no harm in haggling) but you will get the sound you like and also the dealer will be more helpful when you need to find matching speakers. A bit of forward thinking when you are ready to buy speakers to match your Advents if you decide to keep them you can again take your speakers to a local store and compare them with others your dealer has to find the best matching speakers, especially important will be the centre speaker, preferably with your chosen brand of receiver. It is critical to get good timbre matching across the front three speakers as this will give you an intergrated as one sound. A dealer who carries the most brands will be most useful. The centre speaker I would buy after you have selected you receiver then the sub or the surrounds. As far as subwoofers are concerned I would urge you to consider one from either SVS or HSU as buying direct from the manufacturer will make your money go alot further as you will be avoiding the dealers quite large mark-up in some instances. Also these manufacturers specialise in subwoofers only so you can bet they will be trying their utmost to give you a great product. The downside is you will have difficulty getting a demo before you buy but rest assured these guys make fabulous subs. Check out all the reviews from actual owners! |
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JimPaum Unregistered guest | I won't laugh. We have 25+ year old New Large Advents (if I understand what I've found on the internet about the Advents), given to my wife by her father before we were married. They were moved across country 20+ years ago - we had the original boxes for the move. The foam surrounds on the woofers appear to be in good shape - no tears, but I really don't have the expertise to know if they are leaking air. There is a dimple in one tweeter, though. I cannot hear a difference between the dimpled and non-dimpled tweeter so I am leaving well enough alone. The original receiver is long gone and its replacement (a 10-15 yr old Yamaha RX-385) is now in use in another room. We are using the Advents until I can find fronts to go with our new Marantz SR5500 receiver. For now I am very happy and content with our setup until we find speakers we like. |
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J. Vigne Unregistered guest | To me the Advents are a tad heavy to be hauling around. Drop one and you'll be buying new speakers. The idea is good, just not that practical in this case. But that's your decision. As to a subwoofer, not much need when the Advents are flat to 32Hz and down only 6dB more at the next octave (16Hz). Again that's your call. A sub would be my last expenditure with the Advents. And I am assuming you have either the Large or Small Advent. Both were flat to 32Hz, the Small Advent being a 4 Ohm design with a dB less efficiency. If the surrounds are good you are a lucky person. Check them every now and then for deterioration. If you see no tears, they are OK. As to the dimpled tweeter, you can either leave it as is or try to pull the dimple out. To remove the dimple take a piece of Scotch tape and rub it on the surface of the tweeter at the dimple. Don't rub so hard you push the tweeter in further but make as good a seal as you can. Give the tape a sharp pull away from the dimple. It will either pop out or not. If you try this twice and the dimple remains, it's in there to stay. No real harm to the sound. An alternative method is to use a needle with a slight bend in the tip. This isn't what I recommend unless you have confidence in your skills. There are no original equipment replacements for these tweeters. |
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JimPaum Unregistered guest | Jan, Thanks for the info and suggestions. I was wondering about the low end and could not find any information. I was surprised to hear about someone else with Large Advents and wanted to let her know that there is at least one other person on the planet who has a new HT receiver with old Advent speakers -- for now. The dimple stays - there is a metal diamond mesh over the tweeter that I do not want to remove. Looks like a thick, strong glue holding the mesh in place and I do not want to force anything at this stage. They aren't too heavy, but I have not dropped one on my toe yet. Except for a couple early moves, they've been in the same place for 20 years! And they will be replaced. I just have not had the time to audition a lot of speakers and the few I have heard I am not sure about. So based on what I heard from the SR5500 and the comments on this board, I went ahead and purchased the receiver. If I had tried to get an entire system at one time, it would be summer or later before I could make a decision. Any experience with NHT speakers? Mordaunt Short? Jim |
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J. Vigne Unregistered guest | Both good brands with good reputations. They have been around for a while and seem to take care of their customers. Other than that, I probably can't be too much help as far as a recommendation. I just seldom do a brand specific thing. People's tastes are their own and I have no idea what you have available to hear and choose from and what you may like. The Advents came from the Boston area and there are still some good companies up there. I would start with those brands and go from there. NHT is, like the original Advent designs, dedicated to bringing very good performance to a very inexpensive price range. That is true of all the Canadian companies right now. It's just ideas have changed so much since the days of the Advents. Inexpensive speakers don't go down to 32Hz. Have you ever heard Double Advents? http://www.davidreaton.com/PDFs/Double_Advent_System.pdf#search='the%20double%20advent%20system' This is based on the original Large advent, but works reasonably well with the "New" Advent also. |
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JimPaum Unregistered guest | Thanks for the link. I have heard about the double Advent system but never read anything about it. How do they place the pairs? Side-by-side, one on top of the other? I was visiting my parents in California recently and went to an audio store. The guy there talked about the double Advent, with one Advent inverted on top of another (so the tweeters were in the middle). And thank you for your comments on the other speakers. I can live with what I have for now as I take my time to look for speakers that sound best to me and my wife. |
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Unregistered guest | Not laughing, either. Still have my Large Advent Loudspeakers bought about 1978, $210 each as I recall. Furniture quality walnut cabinets with the rounded, beveled edges which I still use as my surround speakers - would not sell them, as they compare favorably to my Snell floor front mains. As previously mentioned, they go low, like the Snells, to a solid 30hz on a test disc. Don't need to use a sub for music (thank gawd), but do use an inexpenisve Velodyne only for HT whomp. Remember a guy describing these as the New England Sound - neutral, uncolored, flat response, although the treble does roll off a bit early to my ears. The imaging is still great, maybe, the soundstage only fair. Solid, deep and tight bass that sometimes overpowers the mids which can happen on a two-way acoustic suspension. To me, they are well worth refoaming the woofers or spending the money to track down new replacements. I replaced mine through Recoton (who owned them at the time) about 10 years ago and to my ears the new woofers sounded like OEM's. Keep the Advents; these are not nostalgia speakers by any stretch as they still sound great today. Enjoyed discussing these 30 year old speaks. Some links that may be of interest: http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?cspkr&1094500161 http://www.cowclops.net/pals.html |
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Unregistered guest | One more Advent link: http://www.soundreproduction.com/discussion/loudspeaker/messages/543.html |
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JimPaum Unregistered guest | JAW Yeah, the cabinets are nice and they still look good after all these years. I wondered about keeping them for surrounds, but space is a very high premium left of our listening position and there is no room behind. I don't think ripping out built-in bookshelves is an option. Based on your comments, though, I shall see if I can figure something out, but they may just have to go back with the old Yammie. Jim |
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New member Username: HabdulPost Number: 2 Registered: Jan-05 | Thanks for all the info folks, and thanks to the thread originator for bringing it up. I have 4 Advents: A pair of Legacy III's and a pair of Graduates (bookshelf speakers). I'm not sure when they were manufactured, I bought them new around 1993. If anyone has successfully matched a reasonably priced center speaker and/or AV reviever I'd love to hear about it. There is a Jamo center on sale for $169 CDN. Oddly, it visually looks like a perfect fit; same color wood cabinet and a soft-dome tweater to boot (like the Legacy's). I was considering the Panasonic HE-75 as I can currently get it on sale for $199 CDN. I can afford to dish-out another $100-150 for the receiver...but from what I'm seeing out there it doesn't seem like I can do a whole lot better than the Panasonic (I know its not primo, but I can't afford to go for the super high-end). |
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J. Vigne Unregistered guest | Controversy swirled over how to get the best sound from Double Advents. The accepted position was with the tweeters close together, one on top of the other, in a vertical stack where the top speaker was placed upside down from its normal position. This created a tall, thin (?) column. Some Mortite (what today would be BluTak) was placed between the two speakers to create more of a one speaker effect in relation to the solidity of the structure. It also kept the speakers from vibrating apart and toppling over on the cat. The combined impedance of the pair was 4 Ohms so the partnering solid state amp would produce roughly twice the power into that load. The Double Advent system was quite impressive. More so at $107 each. The one referrence was to what what the cost amounted to in today's dollars. It should be remembered that in 1976 a 40 watt HK receiver cost $499. You can't even buy a 40 watt stereo receiver today. The first shop I sold in was the largest Advent dealer West of the Mississippi and had Double Advents set up in several listening areas. There is a great story I tell about D.A.'s but it's too long for this post. The Powered Advent came about for several reasons. The first was Kloss and Thomlinson being interested in extending the ability of a system to expand upon itself at a budgetted rate. The Advent receiver had 15 watts per channel, but, had pre amp outputs to allow upgrading at a later time. The Powered Advent allowed for just this type of expansion. The idea of an amplifier that was contained in the speaker and tailored only to the needs of that speaker had been utilized before. Never at this price. Where the New Advent was felt to be a slight let down from the Original Large Advent, and didn't work as well in a doubled configuration, the Powered Advent returned much of what was lacking in the new design to the performance level of the older speaker. Unfortunately, the Powered Advent was also not as successful at being doubled. Never the less, the original Advent and its immediate decendants offered performance for the dollar that hasn't been matched since. Shortly after the Powered Advent was introduced the main team that founded Advent went separate directions and the company began a slow, long decent into mediocrity. One thing to remember about placing the Advent is the ability for bass extension. No speaker that can reproduce signals in the low 30Hz range can get its best performance unless it is given room to operate away from room boundaries. |
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JimPaum Unregistered guest | Does anyone know what the effect of the switch on the back of the Large Advent speaker is? It's a 3-way toggle labeled 'High Frequency Control' with the following settings: normal, decrease, extended. I have played around with it and can hear some difference, but I cannot say that it is much of a difference. Thanks, Jim PS The manual was lost long ago. Is there a site with manuals online for these speakers? |
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Bronze Member Username: Riches1Atlanta, GA US Post Number: 82 Registered: Apr-04 | You can get a foam surround repair kit at partsexpress.com. In Atlanta, Audio Forest can do the repair. They refoamed my old Ohm L's. I have many fond memories of the Large Advents from the 70's. I listened to my friends pair two weeks ago. They rock! |
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Unregistered guest | The toggle switch simply "extends (increases) or decreases" the treble (high frequency) emphasis."Normal" is somewhere in between. To my ears, the extended setting is a bit "brighter" and the overall presentation, I think, needs the extended setting. J. Vigne knows more than most about this stuff and he might jump in. Also, maybe I paid $210- for the pair (time and bourbon blurs the memory). Bought them at Pacific Stereo along with the Concept 5.5 stereo receiver; it ways a ton, still runs. I should open it up and see what's inside after 30 years. |
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JimPaum Unregistered guest | Riches1 - The foam looks ok, although there could be some not so obvious problems I cannot see, especially after 25-30 years. Thanks for the repair kit URL. JAW - I could hear some small differences when I chenged the switch position. We left the switch in one position for years. Now that I am updating our system (and eventually speakers), I've gotten curious again about the switch. The speakers were a gift to my wife from her father in the late 70's, years before we were married. Original cost unknown. I wonder what $210 equates to in today's money. |
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J. Vigne Unregistered guest | http://www1.jsc.nasa.gov/bu2/inflateCPI.html $679.14 The high frequency switch on the Original Advent adjusted the level of the highs in relation to the low and mid frequencies. It accomplished this by switching resistors in and out of the X-over circuit. The effect was rather subtle and was meant to adjust for personal taste, system matching and room configuration. The Original Advent was a revision of the KHL 6 which Henry Kloss also designed during his tenure with that company. (He was one of the founders of KHL and is the "K" in the company name.) At one point in the late '60's Henry Kloss had the two most popular speakers sold in America to his credit. The Acoustic Research AR3 was a speaker he had worked on but left AR before the design was complete in order to found KHL. Advent was started in 1967 when Kloss envisioned a large screen TV and needed captial to make the TV a reality. Like the KLH 6, the Advent began rolling off the high frequencies at slightly above 12kHz. Kloss demonstrated a tweeter with more extension but it was considered too revealing for the source material of the day, mainly LP and tape with no noise reduction. Advent marketed the first consumer Dolby noise reduction system with Dolby B in an outboard unit that could be put in line on a tape machine. They were the originators of the Dolby cassette deck, the 200 and later the 201, which used first a transport from Nakamichi who were building generic transport mechanisms for tape players and later a Wollensak transport. The Advent 201 is credited with bringing the casette deck to hifi levels of performance. Advent produced a demonstration tape for Advent dealers that offered exceptional fidelity and contained a 32Hz pipe organ note to demonstrate the bass extension and power of their speaker. In 1975, Advent introduced the Advent Video Beam projection TV, a 72" wide screen with a projection base that sat in the rear of the room. Light levels had to be controlled and the room had to be absolutely black to acheive decent picture quality. When the TV was sold an Advent dealer sent a technician out to set the TV up in the client's home. Most installations took two days and required regular maintenance. I watched the 1976 Olympics on a Nova Beam. The set cost $5,000 in 1976 money. Run that through the index calculator. http://www.tnt-audio.com/edcorner/kloss_e.html |
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New member Username: CinwhitePost Number: 2 Registered: Jan-05 | Wow! Thanks everyone for all the information. Yes, I have the Large Advents with the Walnut cabinet. And yes, they are a bit heavy to be lugging around. I had them reconed a couple of years ago. I wasn't the original purchaser of these Advents. I bought them second hand a little over 20 years ago. I am glad to hear I don't have to get rid of them. I am very happy with their sound. It's the receiver that is giving me fits. It crackles quite a bit when I turn it on and now the headphone jack keeps cutting out. I would be really interested in knowing what the others who already have the Advents are using as their receiver? Also, anyone having an opinion on which receiver would sound good with the Advents would be appreciated, also. I am currently checking out the following which were mentioned in the previous posts. 1. Marantz SR5400, $450 2. H/K 335, $470 3. Pioneer 1014, $400 Again, thanks for all of your help. |
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New member Username: JimpaumRaleigh, NC Post Number: 6 Registered: Jan-05 | Cindy, I am a newbie to HT and not an audiophile (maybe someday), so I really don't feel qualified to comment if the Marantz SR5500 and Large Advents are even an 'ok' match. For me and my wife, the pairing is fine while we research and audition speakers. FYI, I paid $539 for the Marantz SR5500 from a local dealer. I've seen it on the internet (can't recall where) for about $500. Jim |
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Unregistered guest | I just want to chime in on the Double Advent setup. I had Double Advents back in the '70's and was always amazed at the sound and realness these cabs produced as if I was right there in the middle of the musicians performing. I have yet to hear anything that pleases my ears like the Double Advents. Just recently I have gone back to my '70's stereo rig with a Marantz 2285B, a B&O turntable, and the Double Advents. Here's a link to a Double Advent review. Like the article says, there a HUGE difference between a pair and 4 of these legendary speakers. http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/30thAnniversary/143_double_advent.html |
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New member Username: DairymeisterPost Number: 3 Registered: Jan-05 | The surround receiver is a great place to start, given you have two speakers which are working as you like. I'd (simplify and) put it like this, surround receivers come in flavors 5.1, 6.1 and 7.1. The .1 is the subwoofer, which you probably won't be anxious for with nice full size speakers unless you like the floor shaking. All of them have 3 fronts (l,c,r). All of them have 2 surrounds. Note that these are not "back speakers", they are surrounds and they belong "mostly" to the side - exact positioning is something you can research, I find that polkaudio.com had a great paper on positioning the ones I am using. The 6.1 has a single back (or rear) speaker, the 7.1 has 2 back speakers. (see that adds up to 5, 6, 7). The surround receiver you get will (should/must) allow you to set which of these speakers are present in your setup and their size (off,small, large). Subwoofer setup is funky and the only thing you might have to decide now is if you care how the subwoofer and large speakers are managed by the receiver you pick. Some folks like using the subwoofer with large speakers when playing back music and others think it should be off - and if you like having it on you'd have to make sure you picked a receiver that allows that. Given all this, you pick a receiver with the sound you like and then you could configure your current speakers as front left and right. Then as time goes by you can add or replace speakers in the system. The hardest choice you might have is in picking a center speaker, some folks think you have to match the center speaker to the l/r fronts which might give you some thought. If you fall in that camp you have to match your current speakers or decide to buy a new set for all three fronts and then figure out how to best use your current speakers for surrounds or for back speakers. Sizable speakers like those might present a puzzle for you if you try to use them as surrounds and need some inconvinient placement. That's my thoughts, I hope it helps! dairymeister PS: Also, get ready for big change in how you think of your receiver, it is a stereo but it is also a fairly complex computer that has to be configured. For once you will find you need to read the manual (over and over) :-) PSS: You might also want to take into consideration being able to return the receiver in case it doesn't thrill you with your current speakers at home. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanuckinapickleTorontoCanada Post Number: 24 Registered: Jan-05 | Cindy, re: the order in which to buy components for surround sound. I have to disagree with edster. He sugested: In your case, this would be how I'd prioritize my purchases: 1. receiver 2. subwoofer 3. front mains 4. front center 5. rear surrounds 6. additional surrounds Because you say your system has good bass already there is no point buying a subwoofer second. Buy the reciever then 2 surrounds. Your receiver will direct the subwoofer (.1/LFE) channel to your Main L+R Speakers for now. That gets you up and going with surround as quick as possible. Based on my experience here is the order I suggest: 1) Receiver 2) Main L+R (Which you already have) 3) Surrounds 4) Centre 5) Subwoofer 6) Additional Surrounds (for 6.1/7.1) This is the order I've followed. So far I'm on #3. I plan to buy a centre soon. The bass rocks out of my Energy C-5s so I have no need for a sub anytime soon. I'm not sure you need to splurge on a 6.1 or 7.1 receiver either. Most audio formats are in 5.1 and to be honest I think that's the way it is likely to stay for the most part. But that's just my opinion.  |
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New member Username: DairymeisterPost Number: 4 Registered: Jan-05 | I think I agree with the last post, the real key is that the receiver comes first and uses the existing speakers as front left and right, and that the subwoofer & rears are last. It is that squirrelly part about the center and surrounds that makes it fun. You'd have to decide which of these is most likely to happen: a. add center to existing speakers in front b. add 3 new front speakers and use existing as surrounds (is it going to be possible to use them?) If (a) then can skip (a) and go surrounds before center channel. If (b) then don't want to go surrounds since you'll end up using existing speakers instead for surrounds. I just did (b) myself and have some 20 year old honking celestions hanging on my walls. Hey, it's not just HT it's an adventure ;-) dairymeister |
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New member Username: JimpaumRaleigh, NC Post Number: 8 Registered: Jan-05 | Dairy Yup, found out how much fun it is to just connect two speakers and a new (first time) DVD player. It is not your simple stereo system. Not too bad, though, but going through the setup and reading and rereading the manual took some time. I got some help from the place I purchased my receiver, too. I probably would have purchased a stereo receiver - we like to watch movies about 10% of the time we use the receiver and are not into thunderous surround sound - but I wanted a center channel since my wife wears hearing aids and I sometimes get tired of the closed captioning obscuring part of the picture. I started a thread on the Speakers forum regarding the center channel and dialog. Not sure if I could come close to matching the Advents with a center, so I probably will purchase new front left, right, and center some time down the road. Advents are too big for surrounds in our living room - no room left of the seating position (it'd be more than an adventure!) and the room dictates we keep the current furniture arrangement. In the mean time, I am happy. Jim |
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New member Username: HabdulPost Number: 8 Registered: Jan-05 | Jim, I found 2 used Baby Advents which match my other 4 Advents. I'm not sure if the early 90's Advents would match well with yours. But, I am using one of the Baby's as a center speaker and the other will eventually complete the 6th channel. The center is working out fine. If you look around, you could probably find Baby Advents at a very reasonable price. Good Luck. |
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Bronze Member Username: Paul_ohstbucksPost Number: 55 Registered: Jan-05 | Cindy, To respond to some of the previous posts, because you have large old advents, adding a subwoofer would probably be a waste of money. Todays front speakers are designed not to go low, and require subs, but many of the large old speakers werent designed that way. Replacing your Advents may also be a mistake. I also own a 20 year old pair of traditional speakers that go down to 24-26hz and a subwoofer would a rediculous recommendation with fronts that large. Why on earth would I rob them of the lows, and redirect them into a tiny little sub?? I havnt found a sub yet today under $1500 that can even remotely compare to my pair of trusty old behemoths. To me, subs simply cant achieve the desired effect. My old speakers were recently in bad need of reconing and I decided it was time to put them into retirement. After an extensive frustrating search, I decided to have them reconed at a local authorized repair shop instead. IMO, there is no need to drag them into a retail shop either. At least I can speak for myself in that after listening to the same pair of speakers for 20 years, it's not too difficult to do comparisons without your old 'friends' present at the store. My search was frustrating because I do not like how virtually all mid-priced speakers have gone to the small lightweight towers that require subs as part of the system. Where have all the big speakers gone??? You cant find a good pair of large fronts today unless you want to spend several thousand dollars. Sure, I found some that I liked, but they were about $10,000...:laugh: Oh well.... The audiophiles will preach the importance if timber matching, etc....etc.....etc, but let your own ears be the judge. As a 20+ year 'non-audiophile' stereo buff myself, I tend to believe that many(not all)of the proclaimed audiophiles couldnt detect speakers not timbermatched in a blindfolded sound test given the opportunity. IMO, too many of the audiophiles are hung up on brand names, 'audiophile' accepted norms, and what other people tell them what is 'right'. My speakers probably arent timber matched, and I wouldnt trade them for anything I've seen at the major retailers. Coming from the non-audiophile perspective, take everything you read on this website with a grain of salt(including my comments) and let your own ears be the judge. As for the stereo buff(non-Audiophile) perspective on buying a new receiver?? Do your homework(that's the fun part), and find the model that has the best power/features/value for your personal tastes and budget. You might consider purshasing your top2 contenders at a local store, and bring both home for a soundtest, and return the loser, but even that may be overkill. Anyway, I just thought I'd add a completely different perspective thanks |
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New member Username: JimpaumRaleigh, NC Post Number: 9 Registered: Jan-05 | George, Thanks for the information. I checked out eBay and saw there were a few auctions with Baby Advents. They were not expensive. I'll look into Audiogon as well. If they do not work out, I'll use them elsewhere. Jim |
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New member Username: HabdulPost Number: 9 Registered: Jan-05 | Super. Thought I'd mention a tip I found on the net...and am using in my set-up for the center speaker. I have two rubber doorstops and 4 square rubber feet (the kind with self-stick adhesive). The rubber feet are used to grip the speaker on the T.V and the doorstops are used to angle the speaker towards the listening position. By playing around with the angle (sliding the speaker up/down the doorstops) I have been able to get a very nice landscape flow between the large fronts and the baby center. |
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