Archive through July 08, 2003
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Anonymous | what do u guys think of pyramid stuff? i am thinking about getting 2 12" pyrmaid imperials, 1200 watt max, 600 rms. not sure about them though. |
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| man dont buy pyrimid,they all suck. my friend bought one and it broke in 2 days. |
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Jim E | "nick d" is a dumbass. I bought a 1200watt sub and it delivers quality bass with only 200watts powering it. pyramid stuff if just quality material that is usually ugly looking. they will provide a good thump. |
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Josh | pyramid is crap nuff said |
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Zack | You do know that the only thing that will break under pressure is the transistor(s). Thats the only way your goin to blow somethin like a 1200w 600w rms sub |
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Better Than You | Wow, you guys really DONT know anything, do ya? |
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Anonymous | pyramid sucks i bought an amp 700 watts max only one side works its a 2 channel amp dont buy pyramid stuff or legacy |
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anonymous | pyramid sucks S#!t |
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Jim E | you guys are retarded. he's asking about subs, not amps. pyramid subs are good. amps the jury is out |
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| I have 4 pyramid imperial 12" 1200 watt subs and they have great bass and hard bump with a little over 400 watts to each. "i think they are better than my friends rockford fosgates there 12"s to" the subs are Bad A** i like mine... |
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not impressed | dont buy pyrimid or legacy.... i just bought 2 1000watt subs(pyrimid) and 1600w amp (legacy) and it sounds like sh**.... no bump... factory radio sounds better........ |
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Vince | pyramid is known for cheap, crappy quality stuff..just a fact of life. better off goin wit kicker, audiobahn, or rocksford fosgate..mtx is also decent too...Word TO THE WISE (and even the dumba$$es) Dont buy pyramid stuff inless u want crappy quality and a good chance that it might break. Only plus side to pyramid is that its really really cheap stuff. Remember u get what u pay for. |
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Willie | i had 2 pyramid hyper pro 10" in a ported box and it was hitting harder than my 2 mtx 12". it just depends on how much power and box that the speakers are made for. |
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Anonymous | dude Willie, mtx subs really suck |
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Anonymous | never take advice from jim e or zack transistors subs dont even have transistors amps do you dumbass |
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Jimmy | I have one Pyramid 12 wired up to a 300 watt amp. And it bumps pretty hard, you guys who are saying they suck are just saying things from what you've heard, not what you know. |
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| I've got 3 pyramid hyper pro subs. They sound a lot better than any other subs that I've had minus my rockford fosgates. From my experience you'd be better off with pyramid subs than spending 4 times the money on some overpriced name brand crap. They might not sound quite as good but at least they are not stealing your money! |
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Anonymous | ive got 2 10" 400watt pyramid subs that i bought for 10 bucks each, just for something 2 listen 2 until they blew..but i have had them for a year now n they still sound good as the day i bought them. |
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1 Big Stoner | Hey Stick With Pyamids Cause they are cheap and sound great i have 2 12" pyramid imperials and 1 1000 watt amp and when i go by some times they set car alarms off but the best place to buy them is at http://www.valcoelectronics.com/caudio/pw12290.htm |
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Anonymous | pyramid sucks...all thier ratings are bullshit..i bet your 1000w amp runs about 50w rms |
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Pyramid goes to court | I must say the mdf box is ok,but the subsay they can handle 120watts?they couldnt handle 10 real watts from a 100watt rockford amp thats pretty sad if you ask me.dont be fooled bye the 180 watts per ch.its a scam.get a nice amp like rockford and a nice sub you will really fell the power almost heart stopping punch out of 125 dollars subs dont let me stop y0u but it wont even thump its a tweak tweak tweak sound.fosgate,kicker,orion are known for quality,prices are in the 150 range for a nice amp that will give you what you want atleast for a beginner Dont go with pyramids your waisting your time and money on crap.Pyramid makes me sick to think they are a speak companey lol what a joke. |
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| Yes, you do pay for what you get, when you buy pyramid you get relatively good quality stuff for a reasonable price. I know that this is not saying much, but anything Pyramid, as long as it is not the lowest end stuff, is better than anything Jensen. In just the past couple of years Pyramid has come out with some pretty exciting new stuff. I am considering some 10 or 12" Royal Reds. aluminum cone dual magnet subs. In short the only thing wrong with Pyramid is yes, they are ugly, and the reputation from a long time ago that still haunts them today. If you are not a millionaire Pyramid is a great choice. You guys who have blown channels out and stuff like that would probably blow out any amp, and don't even know what you are doing. peace |
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ROY | Lol, Reading this is just funny. I don't know any thing about Pyramid. But it sounds like every one has there own opinion. |
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Anonymous | And that is.......Pyramid sucks. |
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pimpressed | at least I didn't have to swear to get my point acrossc - anonymous. |
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Anonymous | what are you talking about pimpressed? |
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| I have 2 pyramid Hyper pro's and have had no problems yet. Of course the SQ is not perfect, but considering they are a hell of a lot cheaper than the rest of the subs out there than stop cutting them up. Like Evan said, Pyramid is haunted by its past, get over it and try some new things. |
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| whats the best box for 2 10" pyramid hyper pros for as loud as possible? please reply? |
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Old Milwaukee | Depending on the size of you trunk, I would say two 1.25 cubic foot chambers with a partition would be excellent. If you are buying them new, I believe that the come with box dimensions. If you just want them loud. get a band pass. I personally believe that sealed boxes are the best for sound quality. |
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premium | Dude, I have two 12" Urbans in a sealed box running off a 300x2 Jensen amp. It sounds biotchin'. Believe it or not it sounds tighter and louder than the two Rockford punches I had. Funny what you can do with only a little bit of money. sometimes cheap stuff is awesome |
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Anonymous | the wires attaching to the positive and negative on the connectors ware off and the subs cut in and out but they hit hard |
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lorus | I have and do own Pyramid stuff I love it And there are obviously some others that do also |
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| The pyramid saga is ongoing- the question being price versus quality- never an easy thing to moderate- personally, i'd rather spend the money on something worth buying, alike a 12 with 1200 FULL watts, instead of 350- if you buy pyramid, don't pay over 60 bux- don't buy the 1200w hyper pros for anything more than 100 a pair- paying any more than that is nonsense. But if you're not an audiophile like me, whose sound has to be the exact pitch, always, and you can't hear the difference between a JL and a JVC, go with the pyramids- they were made for you. |
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Evan | I can hear the difference it is just that true audoiphiles don't listen to just bass And once the bass gets too too loud it is all deafening anyway and you can't hear the rest of the music. My home stereo is a Harman Kardon hk870 2 channel stereo with an obvious true 100 watts rms, a yamaha c-40 pre-amp, a sansui ws g-10 graphic equalizer,a mistsubisi m-cd500 cd player,an onkyo t-4040 tuner, an onkyo cp 1400a belt drive turtable with an ortofon om5e cartridge, an two Boston Acoustics A-120s I still say go with Pyramid they are not the prettiest and you cannot totally trust their power ratings. but they sound great, for what you pay for them, and are very loud. I personally think they are an awesome value and you can get good deals online Imperials Hyper pros and Royal reds are they ones to choose from most of the rest of them are seriously out-dated. |
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Anonymous | alright enough about subs we know by now its 50/50. we also know that there amps suck. lets here a little about there speakers, i want some opinions on that. |
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judd | Well they make 6x9s that pound. but you've got to buy the right ones. if you weren't looking for tons of bass you wouldn't even need a sub. they are 3-ways and the tweeter and mid are integrated into the speaker frame. This way the woofer part still has a dust cap. so you cant get crap in the voice coil. Again the main problem is aesthetics. |
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evan | hey guy what size are your hyper pros? how many watts do you have going to 'em |
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guy | They are 12's 1000 watts peak. I have a crunch ds-2400 vu amp pumping the crap out of them. My amp is rated 800 watts RMS and crunch, for the money you pay actually has a true rating. The subs can handle about half the amp power to 3/4 then it sounds distorted, but I am happy with my subs. I have heard many others and do not see a big enough difference to justify the $900 price gap etc. |
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filter | some of their amps are pretty good |
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billy bob | pyrimid is a pretty good brand but they need a little more bass if you know what i mean. |
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James War | All you guys dissing pyramid are wrong died wrong. I have 2 pyramid 12" hyper pro subs and man do this suckers hit hard. I also have two kicker comp 12" subs in my other car. And the pyramids blow them out of the water. Some two kinds of amps{kicker} some boxes(q logic }.Point blank pyramid is not all crap. |
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James War | Ohh yeah i've had my 2 systems for about a year. I'll bet if someone you didn't know turned their pyramid hyper pro subs up with the trunk down and asked you to guess what they were you would never guess. Try it. Ask anyone with hyper pro subs. |
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evan | yeah, dude, I just bought a single hyper pro 12" 600/1200. that suminombotch is sweet. my only problem is my amp it is a Wal- mart Jensen 600watts max that pussycat shuts off all of the time not enough power for the sub Hyper pros are excellent subs and for what they cost, especially on the internet, there is nothing that can touch them |
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| First off if i know anything it's car audio.Those of you that say any type of audio equitment sucks are ignerant. I hate to bust your bubble but it's not the equitment it's you......I've worked car audio for a few years and it's never the amp or the subs it's the person doing the hook up.Those of you that don't think but know what your doing know what i'm talking about.If i can take two of your so called sucky azz pyramid subs and shatter my rear window out of my escort GT then yea thay must suke alot of azz huh...... |
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Jim | Hey Fredrick what about Pioneer some people say those really suk to. But I made a sealed box for them and they sound really good and I don't even have an amp for them yet. I think theyr pretty good. But they take one look see that they are pioneer and say they suk. They don't even listen to them. |
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James War | Pioneer is OK. I have a friend with 2 of the 12" older models and their OK. I recently went to World Hifi and herd the 2003 models and they sound a hell of alot better. So I would give them 7 out of 10. But homie these discussions are about Pyramid, what do you think about them. |
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Jim | I never really had any experience wiht Pyramid. So I oculdn't tell ya. |
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spaten | Is threre anyone out there who has experienced royal reds? specifically 10 inchers. I just happen to have a dual 10" inch jensen bandpass which I have reinforced wit bracing. just sitting around. I'd like to put something in it |
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James War | Yeah I heard these monsters in action. I'm telling you guys Pyramid does not suck. I was about to get 2 of these, on till the guy working at Audio Zoo let me hear the Hyper Pros. The Royal Red hit harder but not that much harder. The only reason I didn't get them is because the hyper pros where alot cheaper. But the Royal Red does look alot better. |
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Doogee | well i know nothing about anything but i bought two 10" subs in a box with tweeters for $30, a legacy 600watt amp and legacy head unit for a farm truck in central missouri because i need somthing to kick my country music. I do know i little about things but i think they will sound good in my truck. |
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| pyramid realy sucks.. i bought two 12 inch subs 500 watts a pice i was only pushing 250 to each and they blew in 1 week... if you wont some subs go buy "JL or JBL" |
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James War | Man please don't tell me the subs you bought are yellow and black. If so you know nothing about subwoofers. I bet you only payed about $20 bucks for them. |
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Eternalone | Well I own 2 Pyramid Imperial 10's (1000 watts) and they hit hard as hell. I have them connected to a Power Acoustik 1200 watt amp. Also, I have them in a sealed enclosure. As far as that goes my 2 Imperials are a good buy. |
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James War | No not imperials its another type of subs made by pyramid. They have Pyramid and 500 watts written on the front. |
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Shawn T | Okay I have read all of this stuff, and can honestly say if you are a cheap fool, where cheap sound is what you thirst for then go ahead with all the pyramids...I mean seriously who goes around bragging aboput their new pyramid system they bought...and perchance that somebody can actually hear your bass, when they ask "whatcha got in there?" do you not feel pains of depression, guilt, and fear that when you say pyramid this person isn't going to just laugh his tail off...am I condemning the ownership of such equipment, no...just expressing my views...if you need to buy a system and you can't wait a week or two more to buy atleast the next step up, come on, youknow if you tossed sown a few more $$$$ you could afford the next step up with the Xplodes...ha |
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evan | yeah, you dork, nobody does brag about their pyramid system but, if they bought the correct and good pyramid components they could and should. xplodes are super serious crap compared to hyper-pros, royal reds, and imperials, even super pros for that matter. I personally am extremely proud of my hyper pro. everybody hears it, I only have one, and it only has 200 watts going to it |
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Anonymous | Pyramid is crap, i have listen to people in the past about subs, and you get what u pay for, i had planet audio 12" and they sucked, i now have 2 alpine type r subs 1000watt rms and they hit hard, yes they are $200 a piece but trust they are worth it, my system is all alpine and totals over $2500 so spend the money |
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James War | Have you even heard or had an Pyramid subs.Especially the subs Evan described. Don't jugde by what people say. See for your self. |
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James War | Ohh yeah Shawn T your an idiot. Sony Xploids suck and are seriously over priced. Why do you think they call them "XPLOIDS" |
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Evan | anonymous, I bet you my system sounds at least as good as yours and I only paid about $650, and you dudes that think that pyramid is for cheap ears go up a little, and read my previous posting on my home stereo |
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Anonymous | i was thinking about getting to gold 1200 watt pyramids for 64 bux on ebay should i?? |
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James War | Go for it. |
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| Here's the deal, despite all of the controversy over pyramid and Legacy, I've run extensive tests on their subs and amps. I've found an EXCELLENT combo to get a AWESOME thump for a low price. Right now you can get a dual 12" box on ebay for under $50. You can get 2 Pyramid "Hyper Pro 1000" watt speakers for under $80 Just about anywhere. And you can get a Legacy LEGACYLA690 for under $100 dollars, all of this with shipping included. That's $230 for some kick butt bass. Guaranteed. DO NOT LET PEOPLE FOOL YOU, DON"T WASTE YOUR MONEY. LEGACY AND PYRAMID ARE A GREAT BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. (I know i didn't include wiring in my total, but you know, 24.99 at wal-mart and you're set) |
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| I know I shouldn't add to this to keep it going but I will... I have been thinking of purchasing 4 12" Hyper Pros and building a good box for my hatch - NOT because I am going to a SPL contest, but because I like bass. I can't fit two good 15" in there, so why not have a little fun and see what happens. You can get 4 of these for like $100 and if they blow... So what - you spend that much in smokes, or soda anyway in a month. It is all about building the RIGHT box with the right material for the right space and design of the vehicle!!! You can get some fiberboard from home depot and some home insulation (minus the paper on it) and have some awesome affordable bass - it really shouldn't be about impressing others, it's your car. The only ones who will get pissy and complain about the poor audio and crappy bass are the people with the fake cars who try to live some image they aren't... Ex: Civic SiR, Neon Type "R", Celica type "R" Everything else _ type "R" and all the big park benches that actually will take sec. off the 1/4 mile. Just do what you think you should and if you have any doubt, get a more expensive sub and always wonder. Pease |
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Budman | what would be a good amp for my 12in Imperials 1200watts each |
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victor crown | the pyramid monoblock amp sold on teptronics.com |
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juggalomm | i just bought two 12" 1200 watt peak pyramid imperials and a 1600 watt 2 channel legacy red series 2 amp. i'm installing them tonight, i'll let everyone know how they sound. |
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Anonymous | well, they hit pretty hard. i need to play around with my amp settings, i don't want to go completely deaf but i still want it to bump loud. but yeah, a neutral opinion...imperials bump. inside, it's crazy. when i step outside, it rattles my whole car (94 blazer). the bass isn't too good when your outside, but inside it's nuts. |
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Guy | My pyramids cannot be heard to far away either, but that is because I have my car sound deadened, which all cars should be. This keeps the sound inside the car where it should be, and makes your system sound very good. |
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| I have 4 12" pyramid imperial gold 1200 watt a piece hooked to a 1920 watt cole audio amp in a 96 explorer and i have dominated every competitoin the past month its crazy and it really bumps so i think pyramid is great |
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sam | has anybody seen the newest hyper-pros? the pw-1296-x it has a honey comb cone, i actuall like the crinkle coat better for looks. but the terminals seem to be positioned better. I think accept for the 1980's style writing on it the hyper pro's are very good looking, has any body heard these are they better worse not any different? |
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Budman | I just hooked up my 12" imperials today, in one of my friends jeep,he's got a 500watt kicker amp,with 2 12" kicker speakers, and the imperials hit alot harder than his kickers, he was impressed.They sound pretty good and hit really good. I would recommend these to anyone. |
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| i have a 15"cerwin vega 800W ttl pwr, 2 12" imperial gold 1200Wttl pwr ea., and 2 6x9 royal red pyramids at 600W ttl pwr. ea., and a crystal 1800W 4-ch amp havnt hooked up yet, wut u think itll be like? |
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time urge avenger | Probably really good, I'd bridge your two rear channels for the 15, then, I'd run the two 12s off of the two front channels in stereo. If you are running an amp to the 6x9, I'd cross em over at about 100hz, sealed boxes, sound deaden them and brace them. If you sound deaden and brace a sealed box you can make even cheap lightning audios sound tight and loud. |
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| time urge, think u could send me an email and give me some detailed instructions on how to do all that, because I have never set up a system before, i was gunna have a friend help me, maybe even draw me up a diagram, if you could no pressure, in a paint program. thank you much. i also have a 220W pioneer amp, probley run the 6x9 through that |
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| are legacy subs good |
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guy | No legacy subs are not good... |
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Anonymous | legacy amps are alright, their subs blow, though. |
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Anonymous | i would caup a squat on everything that pyramid makes.......dude dont buy it ITS CRAP GET MY DRIFT? |
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Anonymous | legacy stuff would get crapped on too!!!! |
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Anonymous | anyone who says pyramid sucks is an idiot. you people probably never bought them before in your life, and your just jealous because you don't have any good sounding subs. i have imperials, and they bump harder than my neighbors xtant's and mtx subs. |
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time urge avenger | garrett, I am not very computer literate, just ask around and try to get the manuals for your amps and subs they should explain how to do this. bridging is easy it usually says on the amp how to do this. I think if you spend some time reading around you'll get it sorry it can't help you with pictures, if you have any questions write this page again |
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| I have 2 12" pyramid imperials and a 1000 watt pyle amp. i only have one running until i get another rca cable. With one it sounds alright, im not too pleased,but i mean it is nice for the price, maybe it will sound better with the other one going. But i was mostly wanting to know what is their hardest hiting subs, the imperials, hyper pros, or the royal reds |
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James War | It's really hard to judge because they all hit pretty hard. The Royal Reds and Imperials hit about the same. They hit just a little harder than the hyper pros. But the hyper pros would be a better choice because you could 4 of the 12's on ebay for about 115 dollars instead of 2 Imperials or Royal Reds for about the same price. Also the Hyper Pros come in 15" sizes which the Royal Reds and Imperials do not. And 15" hyper pros hit way harder than any other subs Pyramid makes. |
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Anonymous | how do you sound deaden and brace a sealed box? i am confused..... |
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evan j rogowski | There are many different ways to brace a box. but only one easy and simple way if the box is already built. Just get two pine ballusters from home depot. Measure the inside of your box, width and heigth. Cut them to size, put 'em in, screw 'em and glue 'em. Buy some asphalt based sound deadening panels such as q-pads by evercoat. stick these to all open areas on inside speaker walls. Then either get some kraft faced fiberglass insulation, or some poly-fill, from wal-mart's craft department and fill it 50%.( I understand a pretty fair amount about building speakers,) I did this to my sub boxes 1.25cuft. and they were twice as loud. this is because when a box is braced there is less box resonance, which means less sound is absorbed by unwanted frequencies, and moving speaker box walls, so more "good' sound is pushed forward. try it, you will be impressed |
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| The MAX POWER of something is actually known as peak your actuall wattage is your RMS is 1/3rd of your PEAK power so if something is MAX POWER 1000 watts its RMS is 333.3 Anonymous is on the right track but he's still a distance from the facts. I have done a lot of sound installation myself and it seems like you can identify there is a difference between peak/max power and RMS but you dont really seem to know the ratio. Out of Curiosity does any one know where i can get some 7" kickers. By the way the brand makes no difference to the audio quality if you really wish to know whether it is going to sound good is based on the center of the speaker if the center is flat then it has a high bass audio quality, if the center is a petrudent cemicircle it can handle some bass and some middle sounds if it has a cone in the center then it is for high frequeency noise (this is not a sub so if you want bass dont buy it.) if any one has any other audio/video queries i work for a digital animation company CKDS-Studios if you wish to contact us you can find us at driverinteractive.net ck-creations.co.uk our websites are just being built so please excuse any html floors or deadlinks or mere under construction pages we will be fully functional soon. |
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peteypizalwizal | I just bought 2 12' 1296-X pw's Are they any good |
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charvel | yes your new hyper-pros are good subs, you will have a great time with them and have just got yourself an excellent value in the car audio market, have fun, and get an amp that will give them enough power. they take a week or two to break in, then they get a lot louder |
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MARCIN | OK EVERYONE THAT KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT THESE DAMN SUBS.....i wanna buy 2 PYRAMID Royal Red 12" Woofers and a Pyramid PB545X Royal Red Amplifier 2 channel 800 watt MOSFET amplifier and i plan to make my own enclousre. So tell me should i buy this set up and if yes then tell me if ill get descent SPL and if my box should be ported or sealed. Thanks. |
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Anonymous | I bought a pair 2 Royal Red. After reading this message board, I don't know what the f**k I was thinking. Some of the so called pro Pyrmid advocates don't know s**t. They sucked big fat dick. I tried to get rid of the at a pawn shop and the guy kicked my out.And know with my JL and kicker with Cerwin vega sub, My punanylevel has gone up 2months with my new set up and I already picked like 8 girls. before I was a Pus*y know I get it. |
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MARCIN | ? |
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Anonymous | royal reds suck, we've been saying imperials are good, you idiot. eight girls? more like eight guys. |
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| If any of you pyramid supporters wants to come to Dayton, Ohio I will show you up your pyramid systems with one kicker 10". Pyramid is cheap crap. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. |
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Niko Suave Spl Tech | I have had my 2- 12" Pyramid Imperials for about a year and a half and they hit harder than any subs I have ever had. I have been in car audio for about 10 years now and was blown away by the sound and bass they put out. Yeah they are cheap and I was just messing around with them when I bought them but they impressed the hell out of me. If you are looking for great sounding affordable subs you cant go wrong with the imperials! |
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| well, heres the deal, if you think anything pyramid sounds great, you dont know sh*t about audio. pyramid makes total and complete crap. if you think your pyramids sound better than mtx, audiobahn, kicker etc... go ahead and buy ur sh*t as* equipment. thats how pyramid makes so much money. on punk kids who dont know what distortion or sound quality is. if you want quality you gotta pay for it. plain and simple. you arent going to get a pair of quality subs for 30 dollars okay? i mean give me a break and get a life if you think so. THERE IS NOT ONE PYRAMID SUB THAT CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO A JL, KICKER, DD, ED, ONYX MOBILE AUDIO, DIAMOND AUDIO, EVEN POS SONY IS BETTER THAN PYRAMID OKAY???? GET THAT IN YOUR LITTLE TINY BRAINS. i dont care how much "boom" you think you got with ur pyramids, come visit me in seattle, i have 2 JL 12w3s, if you have 2 pyramid 12s, come give me an e-mail and we'll set up a little competition. dont ever try to say crap equipment is good, along with other crap equipment like legacy, volfenhag, koiller, rampage, audiovox, electra, stuff like that. just dont try to say u know what ur talking about to an MECP certified installer. i hate stupid people heres a real forum with ppl who all know wut they are talkin about: http://www.clubknowledge.com/car_audio_faq/forum go there and try to tell me pyramid is good. |
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| oh and by the way, if you say ur pyramids hit harder than xtant subs, ur smokin way too much weed man. |
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| and by the way, stephen, you are an idiot, the center of the speaker aka the DUST CAP makes no difference in how the speaker sounds. you could punch in the dust cap, so its dented completely and it still would not affect the sound quality at all. it is completely for looks, and does not tell what frequencies the sub/speaker is made to play |
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| oh, and i have a 250 watt amp pushing my w3s by the way, i garuntee i will be louder and have better sound quality than you do. and all these people saying i probably havent heard pyramid, i've heard all types of systems. at my last competition, i had my ford festiva and my Cerwin-Vega LE-12D 12" DVC subs powered by a Orion 2125SX (125 watts x 2 rms) and i hit over 150db. so unless you can do that with your pyramid stuff, dont even try to argue with me. hahahaha, i love it when people dont know what they are talking about and try to back up their crap systems. if you want "boom" go buy some rampage subs from wal-mart and "boom" all you want. if you want real bass, you gotta pay for it. i dont want complete distorted sound going throughout my car. im done arguing wih you idiots later e-mail me if you wanna argue with me some more, i'll be glad to prove you wrong time and time again. it is true that with the right install, most any sub can sound decent, but what it sounds like u guys are doing, is building a box, and stuffing these pyramids in them, or buying a prefab box(even worse) and screwing them in. some people just dont understand. thanks and have fun trying to argue back Derek |
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Anonymous | Man shut the hell up!!! |
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| why? u mad because i showed u up? because none of these people that like pyramid know anything at all about car audio? hahahhaa, exactly, you cant say anything. |
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Ken Walker | Hey Derek for your info I happen to have 4 15" Pyramid Hyper Pros powered by 2 JL audio 1000 watt ambs in my expedition. I easily hit 150 db that nothing. I actually hit 173 db. And I bet my subs cost half as much as yours. Ohh yeah if you want to show me up come down to Atlanta Georgia and get blown away by my Pyramids. The names Ken Walker. |
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| well i'd be very amused to see this, do you have a website where you can show me your pyramids that hit 173? i'd really like to see some pics of your enclosure which is ported im assuming. what do you have it tuned to? what is the model number on those amps? considering those subs would fall apart if that much power was put to them by a JL amp, i highly doubt this and am almost positive you are lying. if you were being truthful. there would be so many people at comps with your "great" hyper pros because of the cheap prices. so dont come in here lying to me to try to show me up when its impossible. wow, and to lie about your db is quite amusing also, due to the fact that the record db in the world is somewhere around 176. there is some rumor of people in db drags to have gotten to 183 but thats just rumor. and as a matter of fact, lol, i really find you funny because the rockford fosgate demo van which has 9 15" subs and 2 amps going to each of them hits 167 db and the whole car is sound deadened. so please dont come in here and lie about your so called db readings with your POS subs. thank you good day. |
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Ken | JL audio 1000/1 buddy. And if your positive I'm lying come on down and i'll show you and your system up. Do you want my address. And yes I will personally make you some pics as soon as I can to go even farther. So enough with the BS if you get some balls and decide to come down repost saying so, so I can give you my address and you can feel, hear, and see that I have nothing to lie about. I will see when you get here, if not we nothing else to talk about and what ever you say means nothing to me. See in ATL |
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| lol, wow i love the cherade you have, sure, give me an email and show me those pics of ur system. and btw can i see the db sheets too? i'd really be interested in seeing those. 173, lol, thats really funny man. hahahahaha 173 with 4 subs cough *bs* cough hit me up with an email then |
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James War | Yo Derek your right about this clown 173 db with 4 subs that is funny. But I have to disagree with you about what you said about the hyper pro pyramid subs. Have two cars. Both have the same kind of amps (kicker) and box(Q logic)In one car (89 chevy caprice)I have 2 12" Hyper Pros. In the other car (95 nissan maxima) I have 2 2003 Kicker Comp 12's. The settings are about the same on the amps. And the Hyper Pro's hit way harder than my kickers and i have swap the subs twice with each other. |
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Ken | Opps my bad 153 db is what I meant to type. And Derek you idiot not jut whit my subs. I have 12 1" pyramid mirco tweeters, 10 Pyramid royal red 6x9's, and 10 6 1/2" royal red speakers |
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| thats gotta sound horrible man, maybe ur hittin that db rating but theres no way you can pick out any piece of sound quality in that mess of 36 speakers man, and btw, if you are running all of that crap, what kind of alternator do you have? and by the way james, have you switched the subs in different cars? because the space you are in makes a hell of a difference in how they sound. what kind of amps do you have? and what are your gains set at. the comps will tend to run better with more power as the pyramids will tend to trail off and sound horrible after 400 watts. this is my experience. i would still never in my life own a piece of pyramid equipment again, its all crap. i dont care how loud it gets, it still sounds horrible at high volumes, there is no SQ what-so-ever. so you can stick with your crappy subs that get loud, and i'll stick with my high quality equipment that sounds good when it gets loud. and i'd really be interested to see your setup and how you fit those 36 speakers in your car. u kno ur really a dumbass if u really have all that stuff in one car. especially if its all pyramid. the best sounding system i've ever heard had 8 speakers. 2 mids in front kicks 2 tweets in dash, 2 mids in back for rear fill, and 2 12" subs in the back. yeah if you want to be an idiot and put 40 speakers in ur car to make it loud u can. but i'll stick with something that sounds good and is impressive. noise is not impressive. i really would still like to see a picture of this setup, as i would be highly amused to see this. hahahahahha. ur a funny azz guy. |
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James War | A have 2 kicker amps. I forgot the official name of the amps. They are only 600(300 x 2) watts max. So I wouldn't know what the Pyramids and Kickers sound like at 400 watts and beyond. And yes I have tryed the subs in both cars. What kinds of Pyramid subs did you have? And what kind do you have now? |
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| I had all three types of pyramid subs: the royal reds, the hyper pros and the imperials, along with a bunch of legacy crap subs that my friends let me use after they upgraded to real equipment. (yes i did not pay for any of these subs, i would not waste my hard earned money on crap :-D) anyways, right now i own a couple types of subs, in my truck i have an onyx sub, that puts out some of the best SQ i have ever heard and can get pretty loud too. in my car, i have the option of 2 JL w3s in a ported enclosure tuned to 30 hz, and i also have the option of 2 CV LE-12D subs in a box tuned to 30 hz. in either configuration im using an older orion 2125SX(125w x2 RMS) and i love them, there is no other configuration that i've heard that sounds as good as these subs with this amp. orions quality in their older models can only be surpassed by butler, arc audio and mcintosh audio.(and with that equipment were getting into the 5,000 dollar range on amps) but anyways yeah, have fun. |
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| what aboot pyramid screens? whats the rap on those at london drugs i can get one for 199 and it looks alot better for that 199 instead of some 800 - 1000 dollar pioneer or alpine one |
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| well i dont know about pyramid dvd screens, but the pyramid name isnt too good. you can try it but i wont expect it to last nearly as long as the pioneer or alpine electronics. just a buyer beware in this case because pyramid is never reliable. |
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evan | yes but What explains how much of a moron you are derek is the fact that you would even invest over $5 in a ford festiva, what is wrong with your mind you are an idiot. I have a very good sounding system It may not be the loudest, but that is not what i am looking for. the sound quality of pyramid products are not bad. and what I personally am talking about is sq on a budget. I am not talking about picking up chicks and crap like that 'cause if you need your car stereo to do that you are a loser, big time. again, if you think that I don't understand sound quality you are wrong, go way up to Evan april 2 that is my home stereo. I love good music and great sound, and i am a singer.I do understand sound quality, in fact I understand quality in general, which is why I would never buy a ford festiva. If you want people to take you seriously, you should never tell them that you own one of those craps |
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| my preference in vehicles has nothing to do with the way i like my sound. so saying that i like good gas milage and dont really care about the looks of my car does not make me a moron. this shows your low level of maturity. and if you knew anything about car audio you would know yourself that the SQ of pyramid is complete sh*t. so dont even go talking about knowing what sq is. i bet you dont even know who martin logan is. a hatchback is the perfect car for an SQ vehicle. the lack of a trunk makes it this way, therefore a festiva is a prime car to use in competitions. so if you wanna come up and see my trophies(IASCA) you can stick ur wrong views on everything in car audio up ur a$$. and btw, good quality car audio is affordable. you dont have to buy crap. its called the JBL BP series amps and the JL w0 and kicker comp VR subs. so dont go and tell me pyramid is better than either of those for the price. because the price is about the same as pyramid. |
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Guy | Derek I like the way you throw big terms around pretending to know things. Its Rather Ammusing I must say. How can you say Kicker Comp VR and SQ in the same breath? My god man they are horseshit for SQ, you should know that eh? As to your remark about 173 with 4 subs, yeah its probably NOT true, but if you knew anything at all you would know that the record for one 12" sub is 171, and what was it hit with? Hmmm it was a royal Red you jackass. If you know how to install, and are not a complete POS like yourself you would know that its all in the install. My whole car is sounddeadened, my mirror has shook off the windshiled several times, people got sick in my car from the bass... this is with 2 12" Hyper pros getting 300 rms each. If you knew as much as you think you do you would be running ED, not just talking about them because you think nobody knows them. Elemental Designs has made a good name for themselves, I have yet to hear one of their subs but they look sweet. Post your scores, because quite frankly your not smart enough to hit 151 with that s*it you have. |
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Guy | Oh, and Comp VR'S cost a hell of a lot more than Hyper pro's... thats a fact. Pull your face out of your a*ss. |
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Guy | Gee.. First time I heard that Orion Surpasses Zapco amps... you really are stupid. I suppose you never heard of Visonik either? |
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James War | Yeah he is right about that. A Hyper pro sub average cost is around $20-$50 depending on where you look. A Kicker CompVr cost about $99-$200 depending on size and where your looking. |
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| kicker comp vr on ebay 64 dollars idiot. show me this proof that 1 12 inch royal red hit 171, and i'll believe u. I never even said anything about orion surpassing zapco, i just said that the older stuff was some of their best stuff. just because you have sh*t equipment and ur trying to defend it, doesnt mean you have to talk bullsh*t. i love how you dont know anything about car audio in general, because the SQ of the VRs surpasses anything pyramid could ever come close to. Then you go off saying i should be running ED when you have never even heard them? well it shows how experienced you are in the car audio community. probably is an indication of how many systems you've installed also. could you show me proof of this royal red hitting 171? i'd really enjoy seeing it. if it is on db drags, dont even bother showing me because db drags is bull. IASCA and i'll pay attention. dont try to defend urself by saying that i now nothing and i use "big words" just because you have an 8th grade vocabulary doesnt mean you have to try to insult me for having a high knowledge of the english language. "people got sick in my car from the bass" you know why they got sick? cuz it sounds so horrible and the SQ is crap. "my mirror has shook off the windshiled several times" do you mean my mirror has shaken off the windshield several times? learn how to speak and spell idiot. and yes i have heard of visonik. it ranks right up there with pyramid on the sh*t equipment list. go to the amps section of this board and read my good/bad list i made for newbies. im done with this post, im tired of arguing with a bunch of idiots who dont know jack about car audio or physics in general. oh and by the way, here is the link for those VRs for 63 bucks. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3033527715&category=18803 heres a couple 10s for 54 each http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3033352590&category=3291 im willing to save up 20 bucks to get quality equipment over sh*t pyramid. thats it, thats all i gotta say, you guys can keep going on about how great pyramid is when you know its crap and you are just defending it because you own this crap equipment. if you had some real money or a real job you wouldnt have to own this horrible audio. I have listened to almost every type of sub out there right now, and i can personally tell you, pyramid cannot come close to anything else. Sony is better than pyramid, what does that say about it? Sony is complete crap. have a good day |
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Guy | first of all I do know Elemental Designs. I might be buying a 15A you smart-a*ss. I now know you know nothing if you think Visonik is s*hit its VERY good for the money, its just behind MA Audio (suppose you think it sucks too ), Sony is NOT better than Pyramid, man you are stupid. Sony amps should be used as heaters, they suck a*ss man. We are not talking about ebay bud, if I was talking about ebay I would be telling you I could get Hyper Pro's for $20 each shipped. I have heard many Comp VR set-ups and the SQ is not as good as the Hyper pro's, maybe you should clean the sh*it out of your ears. DB drags mean nothing eh? Well i'll have to tell that to the millions of competitors that compete in them, I love talking to some jerk-off like you that thinks you know more than everybody, its very amusing. Listening to every type of sub means s*hit man. You have to have the same set-up, and the same car to know a real difference showrooms mean nothing. I made a mistake, it was NOT a Royal Red, but it was one 10" sub. It was a DD 9500. The sub does not matter in this situation though, my point was you was ignorant in saying 173 with 4 12 " subs was impossible seeing how with the right enclosure 169.7 can be done with a 10. (just shy of 170) Look up Nate Munson and then tell me I'm BS'ing you dumbs*hit. If you don't know who he is, go to Termpro.com and look up season stats. Do your own research you lazy pos. ah, i'll help you since your probably to busy with your head up your a*ss to look it up: (its there somewhere, u can find it. http://www.termpro.com/asp/competitorstats.asp?Competitor_ID=13416&Season=0 |
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| _____________ first of all I do know Elemental Designs. I might be buying a 15A you smart-a*ss. _____________ you just said in your first post that you had never listened to them before so no, you dont know them. you may have heard about them, but you dont know them. _______________________________________________ I now know you know nothing if you think Visonik is s*hit its VERY good for the money, its just behind MA Audio (suppose you think it sucks too ), Sony is NOT better than Pyramid, man you are stupid. Sony amps should be used as heaters, they suck a*ss man. _____________________________________________ Visonik IS SH*T. it is not good for the money, due to the fact that they over-rate, the build quality is horrible, and they dont last as long as a good amp should. this is personal experience here. and by the way, MA audio isnt all that great either, so this show how much YOU know. Im thinking that you have never been exposed to anything close to an SQ system, due to your lack of knowledge in companies and im guessing you have no college education or any certifications for that matter as anyone with an MECP cert can tell you, the build quality of all these companies you seem to be hooked on, is complete crap. they may sound okay for a short period of time, but with any real wear, they fall apart. again this is PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. im not going to repeat everything for you in every post. just read up. _____________________________________________ We are not talking about ebay bud, if I was talking about ebay I would be telling you I could get Hyper Pro's for $20 each shipped. I have heard many Comp VR set-ups and the SQ is not as good as the Hyper pro's, maybe you should clean the sh*it out of your ears. ___________________________________________ If pyramid was such a great company, how come major audio stores havent picked up on them. there is nowhere that it is possible to buy pyramid locally unless its on the net. knowing your thought process and knowledge of car audio in general, im sure you think that rampage is a good deal as well. I am thinking that the box and install quality on these VR setups that you have heard must be flawed, due to the fact that in every aspect of a subwoofer, the VR is superior to the Hyper pro. ______________________________________________ DB drags mean nothing eh? Well i'll have to tell that to the millions of competitors that compete in them, I love talking to some jerk-off like you that thinks you know more than everybody, its very amusing. _________________________________________ i dont think i know more than everybody, i just know more than you. i didnt say that db drags mean nothing, i just said it is bull. there are so many screwups in readings on db drags that i just dont trust their stats any more. why dont you stop putting words in my mouth. you keep stating that i said something that i never said, just to make me sound irrelevant. ______________________________________________ Listening to every type of sub means s*hit man. You have to have the same set-up, and the same car to know a real difference showrooms mean nothing. _______________________________________________ so you are saying that it doesnt make a difference whether you heard a sub perform or not, you can just talk about it and develop an opinion from nowhere. oh yeah, thats right, you are already pretty good at lying. _______________________________________________ made a mistake, it was NOT a Royal Red, but it was one 10" sub. It was a DD 9500. The sub does not matter in this situation though, my point was you was ignorant in saying 173 with 4 12 " subs was impossible seeing how with the right enclosure 169.7 can be done with a 10. (just shy of 170) ________________________________________________ have you ever seen a DD 9500? obviously not if you can get it confused with a royal red, one of the most inferior subs on the market today. again you are twisting my words. all i said was that there is no way that this guy was getting 173 with 4 PYRAMID subs, because again, pyramid is complete crap. go and listen to your system right now compared to the same setup with some JLs and tell me it isnt crap. _____________________________________________ Look up Nate Munson and then tell me I'm BS'ing you dumbs*hit. If you don't know who he is, go to Termpro.com and look up season stats. Do your own research you lazy pos. ah, i'll help you since your probably to busy with your head up your a*ss to look it up: (its there somewhere, u can find it. ______________________________________________ i never said you were bsing about the ED, just about the royal red, again you are twisting my words to make your view seem right. again i do not trust the readings of DB drags, show me the same rating in an IASCA comp and i'll believe you. |
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evan | I do not need to know somebody's name to know what sound quality is. knowing someone's name and what they do, may give a better point of view on whatever their specialty is, but it won't mold your mind unless you let it. Their are all kinds of people who think that they know a whole lot about a whole lot. then there are the who really do know a lot about many things. The difference between the two kinds of people is that the first kind buy their knowledge, and just go on the things that they are told are good or correct. The second kind of people earn their knowledge, and search out ways to make things better. they put time and innovation into every process that they do, or live. I am one of the latter and I do not need to know who martin logan is to know what sounds good. Also, if you do, which I do know, about home stereo sound quality, much of that very same information can be adapted to car audio.the main thing that you must understand is the internal volume of a automobile is. in general, much less than any room in a house. Therefore the characteristics of the speakers will be very different. Believe when I tell you, I have been listening and studying music and sound since the first day that I can remember. I grew up with parents that tought the value of a dollar. When I tell you that these PYRAMID products are a good value, I am not lying, and I am not pretending that i know what I am talking about, and I am just saying that they sound good to make myself feel good about buying it. I have always given underdogs a chance and have almost never been let down. |
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| again, it is all a matter of personal opinion and i respect your opinion and will give you no more hassle for it. if you like it, thats your deal, and i'll stick with my stuff. martin logan's towers are most likely the best equipment you can buy for home audio as they cost around 4000 dollars a pair, and then you need the amp to power it. i respect you evan as you have been civilized and not resorted to blatant lying and idiotic remarks. I have also personally tried 3 of pyramids subwoofers as i have stated, and to me, they were not up to my standards. its all a matter of personal preference. Martin logan hydrostatic towers would be incorperated into my dream audio system as right now my home audio well exceeds the amount of money i have invested in car audio. it was nice talking with you. if you would like my aol instant messenger screen name, e-mail me and i'd be glad to chat with you more about audio, whether it be home or car. |
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Guy | have you ever seen a DD 9500? obviously not if you can get it confused with a royal red, one of the most inferior subs on the market today. again you are twisting my words. all i said was that there is no way that this guy was getting 173 with 4 PYRAMID subs, because again, pyramid is complete crap. go and listen to your system right now compared to the same setup with some JLs and tell me it isn't crap. _________________________________________________ Actually yeah, I have. I did not get it confused with a Royal Red by looks, it was by word of mouth. A few people thought the Record was set by a Royal red. Obviously a DD sub can handle much more power than a Pyramid, but look at the prices. Also, no I don't have a College Degree. I am only 18 years old, and entering College in September. For my age I know a lot about car audio, I have been around a lot of systems. From Infinity, Kenwood, Sony, Mtx , Kicker,Jenson, Visonik etc. I have not had the opportunity to use a lot of internet brands like ED and DD because where I'm from nobody owns them. When you stated that Visonik was crap, and MA isn't that good either I stopped paying attention to what you were typing. Snobby people who think their equipment is the s*hit and everything else sucks piss me off. I go to one of the most Knowledgeable car audio forums online, and yes 90% of them hate Pyramid, but they hate mainstream products completely. Visonik on the other hand has been only in business for a couple of years, and is making a damn good name for themselves. Their quality is good, regardless of what you have to say. I did not lie about anything, I am not a lier. Maybe I misinterpreted your views on the 4 12's set-up, but you said 4 12's couldn't hit 173. I have delt with enough entry level subs to know I am happy to say I have Hyper Pro's instead of Sony's, Kenwoods or Jenson's. I have personally owner 2 sets of Kenwoods that I blew, a Kenwood amp (overrated), 2 older Super Pro Pyramids ( blew them) , 2 12" Hyper Pro's, crunch DS-2400 VU amp, Kenwood mp3 HU, 1 Kicker L5, Mtx thunder 8000's. Out of all of them I liked the MTX's the most untill they fell apart. Besides all of that I have helped many friends install systems, that have lasted for many years with no complaints. I do not know how old you are, but just because im 18 doesn't mean I don't know anything about car audio. I know how to set the Gains on my amps so the signal does not get clipped, I know to run the power wire on the other side of the car away from the Rca's to eliminate noise. I have installed Sound deadener (3 layers) over my whole car. So don't try to tell me I know nothing, it pisses me off. |
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