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Bronze Member Username: Blindc1rcaPost Number: 23 Registered: Aug-04 | I am looking for even SQ and SPL. I dont want my subs sounding bad, but I dont want them weak either. So I was wondering, for what I want, should I go with 2 Cerwin-Vega V-Max 12" DVC's with a 750watt class D. Or 2 Kicker CompVR 12" DVC's with a 1000watt class D? |
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Bronze Member Username: JtbPost Number: 75 Registered: Jun-04 | vmax |
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Visitor#78 Unregistered guest | VMAX hits as hard or hard and has SQ advantage over the CompVR |
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Bronze Member Username: Blindc1rcaPost Number: 24 Registered: Aug-04 | 400w RMS/300RMS? Even though Id be putting 200w less into the Vmax's theyd hit harder? |
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Bronze Member Username: SymplestilesStockton, CA Usa Post Number: 63 Registered: Aug-04 | the vmaxs only need 300w's a piece. that would push them them to fll excursion power them with the JBL BP600.1 and youll be set. that amp runs 240$ shipped from http://www.audiodiscounters.com/product_id/267.html great service, i bought from them and recieved my amp within 5 days. be sure you get the vmaxs in the DVC model so you can run a 1 ohm load getting the full 600 watts out of the amp |
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Bronze Member Username: Blindc1rcaPost Number: 28 Registered: Aug-04 | I was thinking about a Hifonics Nemesis 750D. Would that be fine too? |
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Bronze Member Username: Blindc1rcaPost Number: 29 Registered: Aug-04 | And should I get anything like a capacitor for it? |
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Visitor#78 Unregistered guest | Ryan...you get 600w @ 2ohms on that amp as well, it doesn't have to be run at 1ohm. It's more efficient at 2ohm also Further the VMAX DVC is a dual 2ohm voice coil sub. You can run two of them at a .5ohm, 2ohm, or 8ohm load http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_wiring.html?subs=2&impedance=DVC2x2 Visitor |
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Bronze Member Username: SymplestilesStockton, CA Usa Post Number: 65 Registered: Aug-04 | i belive the DVC model is a 4ohm sub. i could be wrong, but check this site. http://www.acaraudio.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=52&products_id=1256&o sCsid=bb20e2d9d4a91b0c9681c1cc3d4ea3bd maybe that website is wrong, and if it is 2ohm..the JBL BP600.1 would still put out 300W a piece corrct? |
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Silver Member Username: CaraudiofngHouston, TX Post Number: 138 Registered: Aug-04 | That site is wrong. http://www.cerwinvega.com/products/mobileaudio/v_max/vmax12.html With that amp, they will still get 300W each. Just my 2 cents. FNG |
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Bronze Member Username: SymplestilesStockton, CA Usa Post Number: 66 Registered: Aug-04 | wow thanks alot FNG and #78. i was fooled the entire time by that site, but at least the stuff i ordered is still going to bump how i intended it to. sorry if i confused anyone else reading this thread, im an idiot. woot my custom box came today =D just waiting on the deck and subs to arrive now...will post new thread once ive got all my equipment hooked up. i might need some help since im attempting to install everything myself, but well see how it goes. thanks alot everyone |
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Silver Member Username: Iamduff_87Michigan America! Post Number: 221 Registered: May-04 | ok the Cerwin Vega web site says DVC 2 ohm nominal coil. I think that may mean it is a 4+4 which can be wired down to 2ohms... maybe. I mean why would they have a 4ohm and a 2+2ohm because neither can be wired to a 2ohm load. |
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Silver Member Username: CaraudiofngHouston, TX Post Number: 143 Registered: Aug-04 | Not 1 but 2 of either can be wired at 2 ohm. And one of either type can be wired at 4ohm... I'd say that makes perfect sense for a Mono amp. So no, it's not 4+4, it's a 2ohm DVC sub. |
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Silver Member Username: Iamduff_87Michigan America! Post Number: 222 Registered: May-04 | OK then how would I wire 1 sub to a mono amp and get 300RMS. Noone has ever said I couldnt do this before...and every site I look at says the DVC is a dual 4 ohm sub. Why would a company make a SVC and a DVC if you can only wire them the exact same way...doesnt make sense. |
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Silver Member Username: CaraudiofngHouston, TX Post Number: 146 Registered: Aug-04 | John, I've been talking to CV via email & phone off and on for a week and a half asking various questions. The SCV IS 4ohm and the DVC IS dual 2ohm. I didn't say you could ONLY wire them the same exact way, but you can. See the this diagram for how you can wire 1 SVC 4ohm. You would run the amp 300x1 at 4ohm http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/S-LDaEVVI7a0Z/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_wiring.html?subs=1&impedance=SVC4 This is how you can wire 1 DVC 2ohm http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/S-LDaEVVI7a0Z/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_wiring.html?subs=1&impedance=DVC2x2 Yes, they can both be wired at 4ohms, but the DVC doesn't have to be. For 2 SVC 4ohm subs you can wire them like this http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/S-LDaEVVI7a0Z/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_wiring.html?subs=2&impedance=SVC4 For 2 DVC 2ohm subs you can wire them like this. http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/S-LDaEVVI7a0Z/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_wiring.html?subs=2&impedance=DVC2x2 Notice that with 1 of either type or 2 of either type you have an option that is the same, but they are not both limited to that common option. 1 or 2 will work with the JBL 600.1 FNG |
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Silver Member Username: Iamduff_87Michigan America! Post Number: 224 Registered: May-04 | ok well i have a mono amp ... MTX 311D. I want to run 1 Cerwin Vega V-Max off of it. I cant do that now because there is no way to show a 2 ohm load to the amp to power it. I would only be able to give the sub 1/2 of th epower. Im not buying 2 of them and another amp. This seems to be a mistake for them to design 2 subs that have basically the same wiring ... they are not giving enough flexibility here. |
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Silver Member Username: CaraudiofngHouston, TX Post Number: 148 Registered: Aug-04 | I would agree that with 1 sub your amp would not work very well. Your only option with the VMAX is to get a differen't amp like the JBL 600.1 or GTO601.1 or a 2 channel amp that you can bridge to 4ohm power of 250-300w. If you want to keep yoru amp and just find a sub, you'll need a single 40hm DVC 12. Below are the specs for your amp. And below that are a few sub recommendations. Full Range 2 Ohm Load 200 w x 1 4 Ohm Load 100 w x 1 Dynamic Power 14.4 VDC 2 Ohm Load 310 w x 1 4 Ohm Load 155 w x 1 You could stick w/ MTX and use the MTX 6000 series 4ohm DVC sub below. http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13313 The Kicker CompVR 12 DVC 4ohm http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13266 FNG |
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Bronze Member Username: SymplestilesStockton, CA Usa Post Number: 69 Registered: Aug-04 | damn thats crazy. could of saved myself some money if i would of known both could be wired the same. oh well, now i know for future reference..haha. thanks alot guys. my friend is lookin to get a single 12" and is kind of low on budget. i reccomended one 12" vmax, and run it off the JBL BP300.1. i could get the SVC model and it would bump 300 watts correct? |
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Silver Member Username: CaraudiofngHouston, TX Post Number: 150 Registered: Aug-04 | That one would push only 150w 40hm. He'd need an amp that could do 300w about at 4ohm Something like this Kicker 350.2 would be perfect $163 Shipped http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48598&item=5716478020&rd= 1 Or this Phoenix Gold R4.0:2 $139 shipped http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=12977 FNG |
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Silver Member Username: Iamduff_87Michigan America! Post Number: 225 Registered: May-04 | yes i know what kind of specs my amp has ... thanks. just saying how that is kinda stupid of a company to create 2 subs that have ALMOST the exact wiring optinos. why not just make 1 sub. a dual 2+2. the SVC 4ohm has no advantages to be made over the dual 2+2. hmm just boggles me to think they would make that. |
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Silver Member Username: Iamduff_87Michigan America! Post Number: 226 Registered: May-04 | ok i KNEW they wouldnt make that sub a DVC 2+2! i dont know how in contact you have been but the V-Max 12 DVC is a 4+4 ohm sub. Read the spec sheet. In there it clearly says that it is a DVC sub with 4ohms PER coil. So it is 2ohm nominal if wired in series like stated on the CerwinVega.com site. I cannot post the PDF file but I can send it to you if you need it. My aim name is IamDuff2442 |
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Silver Member Username: CaraudiofngHouston, TX Post Number: 152 Registered: Aug-04 | I stand corrected!!! Dual 4ohm DVC! When I got the spec sheet, I wasn't even looking for that because I supposedly "knew" it already. It does say it on there like you said. So I went back and emailed the reject at Cerwin Vega. I got a response back from the manager of their tech department and he appologized for the mis-information yada yada...but I'm glad I figured it out before I went and bought them. Thanks John. |
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Silver Member Username: Iamduff_87Michigan America! Post Number: 227 Registered: May-04 | no problem glad we figured it out |
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Bronze Member Username: Rob_brownPost Number: 19 Registered: Jul-04 | Would 4 15" V-max's be a good deal for the money or should i just hold out and buy some different subs for about the same money. Thanks for the help |
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Visitor#78 Unregistered guest | At this point, from www.onlinecarstereo.com ....where the shipping is free....I can't think of a better deal. |
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Bronze Member Username: Erik123456Arlington, Tx Post Number: 11 Registered: Aug-04 | audiodiscounters sucksss!!!! i ordered the jbl 600.1 and he is sending me ma audio shiznit so i have to shipe it back to get a refund |
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Silver Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 294 Registered: Jun-04 | why did he ship it in the first place....if you didnt say ok make him pay for it to be shipped back to him |
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Bronze Member Username: Erik123456Arlington, Tx Post Number: 19 Registered: Aug-04 | bc he said i could try it then send it back for a full refund, and i work for lawyers so im not sweatin it |
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Silver Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 326 Registered: Jun-04 | cool youll like the jbl much better |
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Bronze Member Username: SymplestilesStockton, CA Usa Post Number: 74 Registered: Aug-04 | thats odd, my order went through in a week. JBL BP 600.1 brand new..not sure why he messed yours up, did he say that the JBL was out of stock? or did he just send it to you without telling you about the switch? |