Small Budget Build Help
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4004 Registered: Mar-07 | Hey fellas, glad to see that some of you are still active posters. I've been out of the game for a minute and need some suggestions/opinions. I'm looking to keep the cost below $500. Just browsing through woofersetc and looking through the bandwagon products from the past, I've somewhat narrowed my choices down. What I want: 1-3 10" woofers (slightly broad I know, I'll probably decide this after I find an amp) 300-500watt amp (I'd like to get a 4 channel or 5 channel for future expansion) I'm sticking with the stock radio for now and I'll likely use a clarion line driver I bought off someone off E a few years back. The woofers I'm considering: Alpine R Sundown SD-2 JL W0 Mmats P2.0 I've picked all of these for the price point and rms requirements and ohm configs. I'll also probably be going sealed, if ported I'm looking at 35-39hz. I wanted to get matching amps if I ended up getting a dedicated sub amp and dedicated comp amp, however Mmats doesn't exactly offer an affordable comp amp. Amps: Mmats M600.1D or M600.2D US Amps XT800.2 or XT800.4 Sundown SAX 100.4D or 125.2 RE Audio XT-800.2v2 Looking at the Alpine MRP series amps Kicker amps would be the last option Thanks in advance. |
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Gold Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, WI Post Number: 4470 Registered: Mar-07 | "I'm sticking with the stock radio for now and I'll likely use a clarion line driver I bought off someone off E a few years back." That would be me. |
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Silver Member Username: AlonzoubOrlando, Florida Post Number: 339 Registered: Apr-10 | May want to check out this little package deal that SSA offers: http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/store/products/SSA-Dcon-10D4-%282%29-%252b-Su ndown-Audio-SAX%252d125.2-Combo.html I have never heard anything bad about the SSA DCON, and that SAX125.2 could be recycled for front-stage duty in-case of upgrades. Just a suggestion. |
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 533 Registered: Oct-10 | For sealed/price the Autotek M12 is the best. Joe Durkham modelled a heck of a lot for me in my thread and he found the best response was the M12, but that was also in 1 cubic foot sealed. It's also like $60-$80, 500W RMS. Check out the DCON 15, it has high sensitivity at 92.5ish dB. |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1048 Registered: May-09 | This amp: http://www.audiosavings.com/products/5-Channel-Car-Amplifier/CADENCE-F100-5-1800 -WATT-5-CHANNEL-CAR-AMPLIFIER-NEW/F100-5.aspx Two of these: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_39835_JL-Audio-10W0v3-4.html TOTAL $330 - 500W RMS from the two subs at 2 ohm. You still have 4x100W@4ohm channels for future expansion! |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4005 Registered: Mar-07 | Thanks Steve, lol. I've never used it. I bought a new car and now I finally have use for it. alonzoub, great suggestion but that is a little to close to $500 for me. I still have to buy a few other things that will put me over the $500 mark. Lord Huggington, I don't want any Autotek/Hifonics products, thanks though. And in the description I mentioned I'm looking for 1-3 10" woofers, not 12"s or 15"s. Thanks anyway. Joe, how good are Cadence amps? I've never heard/read any reviews on Cadence amps, just their components. Plus I think that amp is kind of ugly...lol. The W0 is cheaper on woofersetc and I think also amazon. |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1051 Registered: May-09 | Ok Thieves, nobody is sayng bad things about Cadence as far as I know but do your research obviously, regarding the W0 this is the V3 model the V2 (older) is $20 cheaper on Amazon so get the V2 of course. And yeah maybe that amp could look better, I guess that's why it's so inexpensive..lol. So 67.79 x 2 + 149.99 = $285.57 Not Bad. |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4006 Registered: Mar-07 | Hmm...might have to pay a bit extra... http://www.audiosavings.com/products/5-Channel-Car-Amplifier/RE-Audio-XTX500.5-5 -Channel-1500-Watt-Peak-Car-Amplifier-XTX-500.54-AWG-Amp-Kit/XTX500.5---WK42.asp x Still debating this Cadence amp though. I just really don't like the way it looks. |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4007 Registered: Mar-07 | Does that Cadence amp do a true 500wrms? |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1052 Registered: May-09 | You've got all day man do your homework well.. I don't think it will be so overrated to do only 300.. Here's another one still on the cheap, does 350@2 ohm on the sub channel.. does rated ... hope you like the looks: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/product/B00273CGI2 |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1053 Registered: May-09 | And yet another one: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/product/B003GSLE4O |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4008 Registered: Mar-07 | Hmm, I definitely like the look of those two better, though I've never really liked planet audio. And I'll have to see if I have enough space for the soundstream as it is almost two feet long. What's the story on US Amps/RE Audio these days? If I go with the XT1600.2V3 and XT800.2V3 I'm limiting myself a bit but it comes out to right at $200. I have always been a fan of RE's older amps. Are the new ones of equal quality? After looking through the subs again, I have to choose between 1 sub or two, but I think I'd like the higher cone surface than thermal handling. Unfortunately I'm stuck with a 2 or 8 ohm system. |
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Silver Member Username: AlonzoubOrlando, Florida Post Number: 340 Registered: Apr-10 | Don't quote me on this because I cannot remember where I read this, but I know (when I was interested in buying a new RE amp recently) that they are not considered anywhere near as good as oldschool RE/US amps, some even claimed they over-rate. I still stand behind the DCON/SAX combo, I realize its getting pricey but you KNOW you are getting ALL quality there. Heres some other options as far as amps anyway: If you like the 5-channel route, check this out: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_20765_PowerBass-ASA-1100.5x.html. If you click "Make an Offer" and low ball them, I put in 220 and they counter offered with 230, you only get 3 offers per day so use them wisely lol. As far as I am aware, PowerBass amps do rated. They aren't special, but they get the job done without drama. Since you considered the RE amp w/ wiring @ 320, Im just going to put the Kicker ZX700.5 out there. Kicker makes quality amps, might be a tad pricey tho. |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1055 Registered: May-09 | Ok Thieves so multichannel amps make a neat install and companies cash in on that, here is an alternative with more power, better SQ, and stuff I fully trust: 4x60W@4 ohm RMS or 4x120W@2 ohm RMS: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_23877_MB-Quart-ONX4.60.html 600W@2 ohm RMS Monoblock: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_33008_MB-Quart-FX1.600.html 99.9 +119.9 = 219.8 Still nice.. |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4011 Registered: Mar-07 | Wow guys, both great suggestions. I was looking through some Kicker combos and they would come out above $350. That Kicker 700.5 is WAY out of my budget, lol. So right now I'm definitely considering the RE amp combo I suggested. Really considering the MB Quart combo (always been a fan of their stuff). And still keeping in mind that Powerbass. I've heard good things and I really like the finish it has. Both of your suggestions are better than my RE idea being that they produce at 2 ohms, which would be perfect if I got 2 W0s. Btw you guys have been really helpful, I truly appreciate it. I guess my next step is figuring out if I want a dual sub setup or single...hmm... |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1058 Registered: May-09 | Sharing a given amount of power on two drivers will result in much cleaner output than giving it to a single one no question, unless you can't fit the small box I would recommend two. and you don't like12"s? |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4012 Registered: Mar-07 | I do like 12"s. However, I have a Mazdaspeed3 Hatch, there isn't exactly a ton of cargo space to work with to start...lol That's why I was thinking 10"s. |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1062 Registered: May-09 | Without a doubt can be 10" but take a look at these: Dual sealed:  Ported:  |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4013 Registered: Mar-07 | Yeah the box for that Type R is way to big for my liking. I could maybe see a dual 12" box like the first one you posted but I need to figure out where my amps will go. Haven't had too much money lately so I haven't put too much thought into it. I don't want to use the spare tire well for anything car audio and I don't think I want a false floor either. |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4014 Registered: Mar-07 | Who's the guy that designs boxes now? |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1073 Registered: May-09 | The last builder around was bassman3 you can reach him here: http://www.dldesignz.com/ Alonzo and myself do design only (look at the build threads around). Most manufacturers provide suggestions in their manuals as a starting point. |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4015 Registered: Mar-07 | Ok, thanks Joe, you have been a lot of help. I'll likely just need something real simple for what I want and the space requirements. Still debating, though I had a lot of success and really liked my 3 12" W0s when I had them. So I will likely go with the dual 10"s or 12"s if I can stomach the loss in cargo space. You up for making a design suggestion? |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1083 Registered: May-09 | I can provide a suggestion but are you really up for building it? Most likely you will need to do some angled cuts to save space just as in the pictures I left. If so, the angle in the back, the height and the width of the enclosure are needed. My guess would be to explore sizes with w0s 10" and 12" since you already used them and liked them. |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4018 Registered: Mar-07 | True, I went ahead and requested a quote through bassmass3. I'll let you know when I get the quote what I plan on doing. |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1094 Registered: May-09 | If you are really on the cheap probably something like this will do: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_10888_Sonic-Sub-Box-2H10-2.7-BLACK.html?from =857-1-2 Sealed is very forgiving.. and you are not caring about going low this time around. Optimal internal gross volumes for sealed are as follows: 10w0v2 Vgross = 1,159 cuft per chamber. 12w0v2 Vgross = 1,423 cuft per chamber. |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTexas Post Number: 4021 Registered: Mar-07 | Yea I've been considering that box and a couple on amazon/PE/woofersetc. The sonicelectronix box is a little deep for my liking but things are still up in the air. If I can get the custom box I requested a quote for for a reasonable price I may be doing that. Otherwise I'll be searching for a box that better fits my footprint preferences. |
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