Cheapest subs to date
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 434 Registered: Oct-10 | What are the cheapest new subs that won't break apart after a month? $20-$100 shipped... or less! |
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Bronze Member Username: John253aAust. Post Number: 64 Registered: May-11 | I once brought a car with dominator subs in it they lasted until upgrade about 1 year on 100wrms amp. They rrp at $30 ea Were they worth the money no. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 340 Registered: May-09 | This has to be a contender on 10" size: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_130_Audiobahn-AW1051T.html Talking about something that will last doing rated of course (300W RMS). |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 17035 Registered: Jul-05 | http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-NEW-PIONEER-TS-W309S4-12-CHAMPION-SUBWOOFER-SUB-/360351146382 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Kicker-CVR12-COMPVR-12-800W-Car-Subwoofer-/280722073784 http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-NEW-HIFONICS-HFi12D4-12-CAR-SUBS-SUB-WOOFERS-1200W-/360388586364 http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTX-JH5512-04-CAR-AUDIO-12-JACKHAMMER-SUBWOOFER-SUB-/330461464485 |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 17036 Registered: Jul-05 | it really sucks posting ebay links here but u can still figure out what the items are ... |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, South Carolina Post Number: 14511 Registered: Dec-03 | no sub should ever break apart like that. If you have subs failing, it's probably due to the amplifier clipping, or a really bad box design. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 341 Registered: May-09 | Or powering the subwoofer beyond its peak power handling in a sustained or frequent manner. Anyways the Audiobahn AW1051T which is below $45 can take a fair amount of abuse without breaking apart, goes really loud and handles 300W RMS. Stay away from Boss type of subwoofer just to save $10 or so, its not worth it. |
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Gold Member Username: JbpittPittsburgh, Pa. Usa Post Number: 1277 Registered: Jul-09 | http://www.caraudiodeals.com/american-bass-xo1244-p-1956.html You might even be able to find these cheaper,i didnt look real good. Not to bad of a sub tho... |
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 435 Registered: Oct-10 | I'll rephrase to - what brand would you slightly trust more than the other for the same price, I know I don't know much about any of the cheaper manufacturers, besides RE ETC. I thought Boss was kids stuff, I mean they do look like flash outweighs performance. I looked on Sonix for 10's 12's 15's. Do you think the Boss 15" can actually handle 1500W with a 2.5" VC for $80? I've owned a Kicker CVR 15 sealed in 2-3 cubes, never got to try it ported, very decent sub and I never got to fully power it. It lasted a long time, and it was already very old. Before that I had 2 sealed Pioneer 12's that, I think, were 175W RMS. They sounded great, but two sealed wouldn't cut it. Also had 2 RF P1 12's sealed in the same box and they sucked with an even bigger amp than the Pioneer's had. Very low output with poor SQ. Should have ported the damned things. Some specs I jotted, all power handling in RMS: Dual SD12 175W 4 ohm 2" VC $35 Boss CX122 700W 4 ohm/didn't say single or dual, probably means single 2" VC $36 Hifonics HFX12D4 300W DVC 4 87.25 dB 6.5mm $40 PowerBass PS12 250W 2" VC $40 Crunch P112D4 350W 10.25mm 87.8 dB $45 Alphasonic 230W 1.5" VC 7mm $50 Renegade GTW1200 300W 2" VC 86.7 dB $50 MB Quart ONX302 400W 2.5" VC 9mm $50 ,,, and it looks sick. MB Quart Formula series? FWA304D 300W $50 Y U NO THIELE SMALL! Boss P156DVC 1500W DVC 4 2.5" VC $80 PowerBass $40 and MB Quart $50 (the red stitched cone) look good. The CVR12's are kind of expensive. Which would be better in 1 cubic foot sealed? I'm using a 1500W @ 1 ohm amp. Sticking with 12's. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 347 Registered: May-09 | Take a look at this: $85 per CVR12: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_9347_2-Pack-of-Kicker-CVR124-07CVR124.html I'd quit messing with junk products, in the long run is never worth it, I know it can be tempting. From those you mention, probably Powerbass and Alphasonic are the only ones that could be considered besides the Maxxsonics group which are decent budget products specially MBQuart and maybe HiFonics. Now if you insist $34 per sub (good luck): http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-NEW-BOSS-CX122-12-2800W-Power-Subwoofers-/230578302390 |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 17039 Registered: Jul-05 | dude dont be scrapping the bottom of the barrel & wasting ur $ buying garbage , out of those listed i'd pick MB Quart ONX302 the kicker cvr i listed above is what i wud get , these are well built & sound good for what they are , port them using the factory rec specs which actually work well why sealed though - unless u dont have the space for ported ? ... ... |
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 436 Registered: Oct-10 | no space for ported. id like lots of cone area because im keeping my 1500W amp, so im looking at 100w per sub. i just cant find one that models well, like atleast 40 Hz roll off and Q .5-.7. all upfire 12's in 1 cube each 6 in the trunk 2 half in the trunk 8 on the back seat in 8 boxes (25 x 12.5 x 16), cuz i can't cut up the trunk, its a unibody. a custom car builder wouldnt touch it. its the only way 6 cubes will fit in the trunk. .08 displacement for each 12 for 1 cube NET. I wanna see what lots of cheaper subs can do. Not that I want to buy bottom of the barrel stuff, but there are great 300w subs for really cheap, where's the high quality 100W subs? |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 349 Registered: May-09 | Low power, high quality for an experiment is what you should have stated to begin with. Maybe one of this two are the kind of thing you are looking for then: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=290-367 http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-488 T/s parameters in the description. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 8512 Registered: Mar-04 | Phoenix Gold RSD. One of the best budget subs I have ever seen. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 350 Registered: May-09 | The subs in my previous post wont do well at 1 cuft.  SPL curves, sealed box, 1 ft3, 1 meter Light blue MBQuart FWA304D (300WRMS) Yellow Pyle 1290BL (500WRMS) Orange Audiobahn AW1051T (300WRMS) As it can be seen 12"s get a lump on 1 cuft. |
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 437 Registered: Oct-10 | Those didnt model so well at Q 1.2 FC 60 Hz, that's like -24dB @ 40 Hz, which wouldn't be a good response for my street bass. I like the Dayton though. |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 3212 Registered: May-07 | 12" lightning audio @ walmart $29 i think. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 351 Registered: May-09 | Ok Lord_huggington but the plot you see is not for the daytons but these: 1) MBQuart FWA304D 2) Pyle 1290BL 3) Audiobahn AW1051T How do you like the orange curve? its getting F3 at about 40Hz enough? Anyways my point there is that for those cheap subs I modeled (including the MB Quart you suggested) the 12"s do bad in 1 cuft boxes, getting that boomy lump. |
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Gold Member Username: IlluminatorUSA Post Number: 5600 Registered: Apr-05 | What about used subs? I don't get why someone would drop 50-100 on a brand new POS sub instead of just getting a mid-grade one like MTX, Rockford Fosgate, Alpine (not the R) etc. |
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Gold Member Username: Wolf_houndPhoenix, AZ Post Number: 1422 Registered: Sep-05 | best post yet^^^ |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, South Carolina Post Number: 14515 Registered: Dec-03 | for the record I have never seen subs fail strictly from too much clean power unless they were being used in an SPL competition environment, and even then, I suspect it was as much power as it was distortion. Generally an amp can be rated for as much as half again the continuous power handling of the speaker without risk of damage, if the amplifier is set properly, and the amp has sufficient current, and the sub's box is built correctly. It's extremely rare to damage any speaker from too much clean power.. it just doesn't happen. It's almost always caused by some other problem.. usually clipping from lack of current, or gain settings. |
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 438 Registered: Oct-10 | I only need 100W subs so I don't need to spend more than I have to. I want FC 30 Hz but the only subs I'm reviewing that can do that in 1 cube sealed is an LMS motor. I'm looking for a little beast like a smaller DCON. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 361 Registered: May-09 | This one will behave nicely on a 1 cuft sealed box with F3 = 43Hz and is below $100. Boston-Acoustics-G112-4: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_10214_Boston-Acoustics-G112-4.html It might even get you SQ. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 362 Registered: May-09 | Getting better at this: Autotek M12D4 F3 = 35Hz sealed 1 cuft $45.99 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005HF6ERG Wild guess: sensitivity is specified with coils in series. So +6db in parallel. |
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 440 Registered: Oct-10 | Nice find. You can tell of the ballpark sensitivity from the coils being in series or parallel? +6dB? "2.5" dual 4-Ohm high temp voice coil with power handling of 500wrms and 1000watts maxx, woven tinsel leads and a high energy motor structure. The M12D4 features an embossed and illuminated logo on a polypropylene dust cap". |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 397 Registered: May-09 | I can tell precisely, but I am talking about voltage sensitivity! unless you connect only one coil, you can't really change power sensitivity. I didn't realize that the sub has an illuminated logo dust cap! Anyways I have almost given up on finding something better mainly because of the price, in car audio 100W subs would be a tough sell, some HT subs oem manufacturer could have something like you want but home audio subs may not be able to withstand a car environment long term. |
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 441 Registered: Oct-10 | lol, I thought about using my Sony 100W 10" for chiz & gigs, but it barely survives my giant living room, tuned to a completely unimpressive 60 Hz. I have a Sony Xplod 10" in 1 cube sealed, worst subwoofer I've ever heard, it made a better table. One of the best cheap subs I've ever heard in 1.25 cubes sealed is the Pioneer 175W 12" with a diamond-mesh looking cone, I had two of them in 2.5 cubes and they were great, but probably discontinued. They were $20 each! So far the Autotek is the clear winner. I wish TC would build a small LMS sub - something suited to sealed that can dig down to 20 Hz respectfully, and be flat on up. Too bad Eclipse went down the toilet, doesn't another company have the right mind to buy their designs? |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 402 Registered: May-09 | Eclipse was good engineers, bad everything else I guess. I don't think that I will see Sony go under in my lifetime. I might try to beat the Autotek, something from Pioneer would be nice, tried the Pioneer TS-W303R and unhappily is F3= 42Hz. Haven't gone through all their stuff yet. |
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 443 Registered: Oct-10 | I think they'd sell more if they didn't have such outrageous model names. TSW43-WB301-D4AL... comon, wtf? The Autotek M12D4 is on AudioSavings.com for $39.95. I'm having a hard time finding the specs (QTC/VAS/FS). |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 406 Registered: May-09 | Qts = 0.73, Vas = 98.2L, Fs = 23.72 The one in audiosavings.com is the SM12D4 and its a totally different thing, this guy is selling in pairs and has only 8, $42.50 each: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAIR-AUTOTEK-M12D4-12-2000W-Car-Audio-Subwoofers-Subs-/3 90279735392 I modeled a few of those Autoteks but failed to find a cheaper performing alternative to the "Mean Machine"..lol. |
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 447 Registered: Oct-10 | 1 cubic foot QTC a staggering 1.5451, may be boomy FC 50.21 Hz F3 34.93 Hz - sweet Per 15.28 Hz, it only drops off 3 dB, which should make it as good as -6 dB @ 27.29 Hz, and -12 dB @ 23.47 Hz. How I got those numbers - 15.28 divided by 2 twice, minusing from the F3. Dunno if that's the "linear" way. It would make a badarse IB sub. 9999 cubic feet QTC .7301 FC 23.72 Hz F3 23 Hz 100 cubic feet QTC .7426 FC 24.13 Hz F3 23.03 Hz |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 409 Registered: May-09 |  Yes, boomy, most 12"s behave like that to some extent on 1 cube sealed, pretty close on the estimates, anyhow if you factor in cabin gain it gets better than that. |
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New member Username: Ramoncito1969Donna, TX U.S Post Number: 2 Registered: Nov-11 | Most of the affordable subs require a huge box in order to produce good results, on a vented box. Since I can't afford using too much space, I was considering in buying one fairly good sub rather than 2 cheap subs. If I made a smaller box on cheap subs, I would get less low end and a bump around 50 or 60 hertz, making it non-linear. A cheap 12" sub could require up to 7 cubic feet. Fourteen if you have two subs. I have been noticing this on bassbox. |
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New member Username: Ramoncito1969Donna, TX U.S Post Number: 3 Registered: Nov-11 | I now have a cheap 10" q-power, and it sounds great. Not the best sounding sub, but for a person on a budget, it's worth considering. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 917 Registered: May-09 | Ramon model the Autotek M12D4 on 1.2 cuft sealed and add damping to the box. This sub is for sealed usage. It behaves perfectly with an F3 = 35 Hz or less it goes for around $40. |
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New member Username: Ramoncito1969Donna, TX U.S Post Number: 5 Registered: Nov-11 | Thanks Joe. Did anybody consider Audiopipe. I heard them on Youtube, and they seem to kick butt. |
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New member Username: Ramoncito1969Donna, TX U.S Post Number: 6 Registered: Nov-11 | How about Interfire? A store close to where I live sells them. They told me they sounded good. Well, my brother in law was visiting, and I bought him a pair of 4 inch interfire speakers. They sounded great. I still don't know how the subs sound though. They are reasonably priced. |
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Gold Member Username: JoebruceCrescendo Audio FTMFW!!, AA Havoc 15 ... Your Mom FTW!! Post Number: 3757 Registered: May-04 | Didnt read the whole thread but the first sub that came to my mind was the Mach 5 MAW. Not even sure if they still make that sub or not but iirc the 15" new was $100 or less shipped. I owned a 15" MAW and I was pretty impressed with the SQ and output for a cheaper priced sub. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 939 Registered: May-09 | For you guys who find reading the whole thread is too much, it's about finding the best 12" sub that would work on 1 cuft sealed enclosure getting as low as possible, the purpose of this was to create a big array of 16 subs. That subwoofer came to be the Autotek M12D4 which does F3 = 35Hz |
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Silver Member Username: Vc23EastCoast, Michigan Dos Fi BLs Post Number: 367 Registered: Mar-06 | What about amps < 500 watts rms for cheap? My buddy is lookin for subs, amp and hu for 300$ |
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Silver Member Username: Lord_huggingtonOntario Canada Post Number: 527 Registered: Oct-10 | Walmart on sale dual brand for $20 lol cantgo wrong when its that cheap. That was my fIrst hu. It needed a flash drive plug tho. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 17189 Registered: Jun-04 | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Image-Dynamics-iD-8-D2-V3-8-Car-Subwoofer-PAIR-/270921346808 |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 17190 Registered: Jun-04 | http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/p_19480_Diamond_Audio_D112D42.aspx?utm_s ource=google_shopping&utm_medium=Product_Feed&utm_campaign=google_shopping_Price _Comparison sealed box volume: 1.2 cubic feet |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 17191 Registered: Jun-04 | http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/p_25545_Diamond_Audio_D315D22.aspx?utm_s ource=google_shopping&utm_medium=Product_Feed&utm_campaign=google_shopping_Price _Comparison |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1254 Registered: May-09 | Sean the sub candidate has to beat F3 = 35Hz on a 1 cubic feet sealed box current best sub costs about $42 each. No way to know if those subs can do that unless the manufacturer states so or you model them. A quick hint: low EBP is a good way to pick a candidate. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 17192 Registered: Jun-04 | both of the subs have low 20's fs |
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Silver Member Username: Dloco486Post Number: 219 Registered: Apr-11 | http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIAMOND-AUDIO-D4-2-12-200-WATTS-RMS-Dual-4-Ohm-Voice-Coil-Subwoofer-/260963317849 great sub for 80 bucks. dont know if anybody posted one yet. It's a diamond d1 |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 17193 Registered: Jun-04 | my link is that sub for 56 |
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Silver Member Username: MakinblakMonroe/Monticello, La/Ar Post Number: 810 Registered: Oct-10 | wtf is ebp?? |
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Silver Member Username: Dloco486Post Number: 231 Registered: Apr-11 | @ sean cool on the 56$ i gotta see if they have one in dvc 2ohm cuz i'm probly goin to get one for my wifes car. |
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Gold Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 1282 Registered: May-09 | EBP = Fs/Qes (Fs,Qes are found in the sub specs) below 50 sealed 50-99 either 100+ ported Just a guideline. |
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New member Username: JusthappytobeherePost Number: 1 Registered: Sep-12 | Sorry if this seems duncie but when looking at a woofers frequency response if one woofer reaches a low of 35hz and another reaches a low response of 50Hz , should a person pay a lot more for the 35Hz to get the 15 extra Hz lower frequencies or would a person be able to tell much difference between the low frequencies of the 2 speakers ? Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, South Carolina America Post Number: 14817 Registered: Dec-03 | don't get tied up in looking at specs. fact is frequency response is measured as an anechoic response, and with the sub outside of an enclosure. In other words, that graph or spec is meaningless. In fact if you just get a pair of numbers like 50-500Hz, it's even more useless, as you don't know what the actual curve even looks like, so you don't know if that 50Hz is at 0dB, or -3dB, -6dB, or what.. meaningless. If you want to know if a sub is decent, just ask. Some of us have been in the industry for over two decades, and have a very firm grasp on products. |
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