Help me choose my new system for my Saturn
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New member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 1 Registered: Nov-10 | Hello, i currently have 2 100 watt 12" sony xplod subs in a sealed box. I plan on selling these, does 150$ sound accurate??? Anyway i have 1000 watt kenwood amp pushing these sony's now. I plan on keeping this amp and getting new subs. I can get 2 alpine type Rs 12" subs in a ported box with the wires and screws and everything for 310 dollars. will my amp push these and in the price range of 100$ to 500$ roughly, what is the best bang for my buck. What subs can i get that will sound the best, stay in my price range, and allow me to be able to hear my music still. thanks |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15899 Registered: Jun-04 | type r's will be a very big improvement |
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New member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 2 Registered: Nov-10 | Is that a good price for them or could i get better. My cars REALLY small so i think it will powered good. Is that amp good enough that i have for them or i need to upgrade. Also when people ask me what subs i got i say sony laughing to myself and they sit in astonishment going...NOOOOOOOO, they're suprised they sound that good for sonys lol |
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Silver Member Username: MakinblakMonroe/Monticello, La/Ar Post Number: 137 Registered: Oct-10 | Kicker L7 are badass and fairly cheap in the right spot |
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New member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 3 Registered: Nov-10 | i listened to the kicker L7's personally, 2 15" subs in a box in a SUV, i hated the way they sounded, to be honest IMO they sounded like sh*t, now that my ONE experience with them. But yeah |
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New member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 4 Registered: Nov-10 | The reason was i couldn't understand the lyrics AT ALL, just all overpowered nasty sounding in a bad way bass... |
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Silver Member Username: ThelonewolfPost Number: 193 Registered: Jul-05 | uhh, sell it all... and get something good... what would your total budget be, how much room do you have to work with, what head unit do you have, what are you looking in terms of sound, big bass, nice tight bass to enhance your listening experience or clean and loud? what is the saturn, do you have stock speakers, if not what are they? |
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New member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 6 Registered: Nov-10 | Okay, im not looking to have the best system in my area, just an upgrade from my sony's. To be honest i can spend hundreds and hundreds but id rather be on time with my college and bike payments and car...Its a 1993 saturn SC2. I have almost no room to work with. These 2 sonys in a sealed box almost are filling the space i have to work with so thats why i scared of getting a ported box it might not fit. My door speakers are 50$ kenwoods. I have sony tweeters in the front by my side mirrors on both sides. I have 2 6x9 clarions in the back seat above the subs, i think i blew the drivers side one the other day listening to no hands wacka flocka...Anyway thats my setup oh yeah and a sony deck. |
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Silver Member Username: MakinblakMonroe/Monticello, La/Ar Post Number: 141 Registered: Oct-10 | ppl that dont know much about audio know who kicker is, and know l7 are badazz, which they are. So chances are that the guy whose L7 you heard didnt know much about audio and everything wass all distorted cuz hes an idiot. I have seeen Soooo much of this, and a couple minutes dial tweeking will get it sounding good. But get the Charger, though for realz |
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New member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 7 Registered: Nov-10 | oh yeah, my budget for subs and box would be anywhere form 0$-600$ roughly |
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New member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 8 Registered: Nov-10 | I wouldnt doubt you can make them sound good i was just explaining my experience with them |
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Silver Member Username: MakinblakMonroe/Monticello, La/Ar Post Number: 142 Registered: Oct-10 | ok wrong thread about the charger |
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New member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 9 Registered: Nov-10 | yeah i was liek what???? lmao all good |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15903 Registered: Jun-04 | Its a 1993 saturn SC2 my brother had a saturn....one 12 type r would slam in that car and it wont stress the stock alternator you wouldnt need two....just port the one and not in a prefab box |
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New member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 10 Registered: Nov-10 | so let me get this, one type r in a ported box would sound better then my 2 sony's in a sealed??? im looking for slamming bass and clear vocals all for the best price not cheapest and not most expensive, my main thing is that i dont want to buy another amp lol |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 11 Registered: Nov-10 | o and sean, you should already know, that saturn has like NO trunk room lol |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15904 Registered: Jun-04 | right but one 12 will fit |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 13 Registered: Nov-10 | yessir, i just thought 2 would be great bc i heard them personally and they sound awesome, 2 would be better lol |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15905 Registered: Jun-04 | yeah one type r 12 ported will beat 2 sealed sony explodes |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15906 Registered: Jun-04 | better make sure two will fit because im betting they wont being ported...you would need 4 cubic feet for two ported 12's |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 15 Registered: Nov-10 | mhmmmmm, thanks for the advice, will my amp be overpowered for it underpowered or just right??? http://sg.kenwood.com/Car_Entertainment/Power_Amplifiers/KAC-7204 |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15907 Registered: Jun-04 | 500 Watts x 1 (4 Ohm Bridged) get a dual 2 ohm 12 and wire it to 4 ohms....that power is perfect for one 12 type r |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15908 Registered: Jun-04 |  |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 16 Registered: Nov-10 | now if i got 2 type r's sean in a sealed box, and powered it with this amp, would i be able to do that too??? |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15910 Registered: Jun-04 | let me check on the box size quick |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 17 Registered: Nov-10 | cause ported im almost positive it wont fit, but sealed might, sorry to bother with the ?'s but, whats a better sub for the money than this since one sub will be better then my sony's. I can get the alpine type r 12" in a sealed box for 190, if i can get one sub in a ported box for 200 300 that blows the r away which would still work on my amp, that be awesome |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15911 Registered: Jun-04 | absolutely sealed box volume: 0.57-1.0 cu. ft. go with 1.00 cubic feet each and two sealed will be as loud as 1 ported...get two dual 4 ohm 12's |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15912 Registered: Jun-04 |  |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 18 Registered: Nov-10 | okay so verdict is, my amp the kenwood, will power two type r's 12" in a sealed enclosed box that i can get for 309.99 with wiring and screws and it will be how much of an upgrade from my sony's. Will bass overpower treble to the point where i cant hear my music. |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15913 Registered: Jun-04 | no your highs will keep up my bros did with one 12 ported....how much cubic feet is in that box |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 19 Registered: Nov-10 | Dual 12" sealed subwoofer enclosure Dimensions in inches: 30.25" Width x 13.25" Height x 14.75" Top depth x 14.75" Bottom Depth Volume per sub: 1.25 cubic feet Machine precision cut mounting holes 3/4" heavy Dusty Construction 1" MDF mounting holes Multi layers of high-grade glue ensure long life and no air leaking out High quality spring loaded terminals Dado end panels Mounting Depth: up to 14.75" (enough depth for any sub on the market) Designed, tested, and engineered to work with most of today's popular woofers. These enclosures are built with the quality additives needed to maximize the performance of any sound system. |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15914 Registered: Jun-04 | a little oversized but it should work well for good sq with good spl |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 21 Registered: Nov-10 | and 2 of these... Features of Alpine subs: Alpine SWR-1243D 12" Dual 4 ohm Type R Subwoofer Peak Power Handling: 1800 watts RMS Power Handling: 300-600 watts Kevlar reinforced pulp cone woofer 2-Piece Structural Parabolic diaphragm design Injection molded Santoprene rubber surround Alpine exclusive High Amplitude Multi-Roll (H.A.M.R) surround for impressive excusrion and clean, accurate bass FEA Optimized progressive NOMEX spider Radial vented VC head sink Concealed mount gasket system Reinforced layer spider integration tinsel leads Oversized 2-1/2" Voice coil 4-Layer dual voice coil design Voice coil made from 180°C high temperature wire on spiral cut aluminum former Single-piece cast aluminum frame with Alpine Patent Pending Airflow Management System for efficient cooling Airflow Management system controls the temperature of the voice coil by directing the air across the heatsink One sided push terminals make installation and wiring fast and simple Each terminal accepts up to 8 AWG wire for high power signal transfer Concealed gasket mounting system hides the screw holes and makes for a clean install Integrated grill technology allows for a seamless installation of a grill US Patented Compound Radius Curve (CRC) design with integrated short sleeve configuration CRC Machined motor structure creates a symmetrical magnetic field for less distortion and improves power handling High-power, double-stacked strontium magnet structure Newly redesigned for a 20% depth reduction Frequency response: 24-200 Hz Sensitivity: 83 dB Sealed Box Volume: 0.65 - 1.25 cubic feet Vented Box Volume: 1.0 - 2.0 cubic feet The New SWR-1243D have been re-designed and huge improvements have been made to them. These are easier to install and they require less air space and a shallower mounting depth. These new models also offer a higher excursion and more power output. With 600 watts RMS power, this subwoofer can handle extremely high pwoered amplifiers. This sub has a higher excursion than anything else in its range. This is a very high SPL output subwoofer that quite simply blows away anything in its range. The clarity of these subs have also been greatly improved. The bass is super clean thanks to an all new patented voice coil venting system produced by Alpine. |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 22 Registered: Nov-10 | all in all for 310 bucks 2) ALPINE SWR-1243D 12" SUBWOOFERS+SEALED SUB ENCLOSURE 3600 WATT SUB PACKAGE+WIRES+INSTALLATION ACCESSORIES |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15915 Registered: Jun-04 | looks good and i think 250 watts each will still move them fine |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 24 Registered: Nov-10 | what do you mean, sorry im not THAT familiar with car audio i know a little bit |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15916 Registered: Jun-04 | the subs are rated for 600 watts each but you only have 500 total I just mean i still think they will get loud enough for you |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 25 Registered: Nov-10 | o so your saying the rms is 600 each meaning 1200 watt amp would be it not 1000 lol sorry is that what you mean |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15917 Registered: Jun-04 | true power is rated in rms power not max power your kenwood is 500 rms and 1000 max |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15918 Registered: Jun-04 | the subs are rated for 600 rms each |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 26 Registered: Nov-10 | so i will completely get it now if you can answer this, my amp is 500 rms, each amp is 600 rms or each is 300 rms, and if its 600 each equaling 1200 rms full power, 250 rms each with my amp will push it fine, if i undertsand lol |
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Platinum Member Username: Nd4spd18Philadelphia, PA Post Number: 11542 Registered: Jul-06 | " l7 are badazz, which they are. " |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 27 Registered: Nov-10 | gotcha, so the amp will be underpowering, this will be my last question, is it worth upgrading or giving it 250 rms each good enough for what im doing aka non competition just cruising |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 29 Registered: Nov-10 | lol, trueeeeeeeee |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15919 Registered: Jun-04 | 250 rms to each is fine but if you want to save some money you could do one dual 2 ohm 12 ported and build the box yourself |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 30 Registered: Nov-10 | you think the ported 1 12" type r would sound the same as 2 12" sealed type r's WITH MY AMP... |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15920 Registered: Jun-04 | im positive |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 31 Registered: Nov-10 | alright, thank you shawn, i really appreciate your help, honestly |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15921 Registered: Jun-04 | build a box tuned to 35 hz with 2 cf of airspace and your good to go |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 32 Registered: Nov-10 | http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ALPINE-TYPE-R-12-1500w-CAR-AUDIO-SUBWOOFER-SUB-08-/30048 0147431?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item45f6032fe7 this and what you suggested and ill be set? |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15922 Registered: Jun-04 | no problem thats why im here to help fellow car audio guys |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15923 Registered: Jun-04 | link no longer works |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 33 Registered: Nov-10 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ALPINE-SWR-1243D-12-1800-WATT-TYPE-R-CAR-SUBWOOFER-SUB-/3902 61469870?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item5add6572ae this or this http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ALPINE-TYPE-R-12-1500w-CAR-AUDIO-SUBWOOFER-SUB-08-/30048 0147431?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item45f6032fe7 |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 34 Registered: Nov-10 | why wont they work??? |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 35 Registered: Nov-10 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ALPINE-SWR-1243D-12-1800-WATT-TYPE-R-CAR-SUBWOOFER-SUB-/3902 61469870?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item5add6572ae or http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ALPINE-TYPE-R-12-1500w-CAR-AUDIO-SUBWOOFER-SUB-08-/30048 0147431?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item45f6032fe7 |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15924 Registered: Jun-04 | go to the globe above where we type this text and click on it and put your link in |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 37 Registered: Nov-10 | Oh my god basically its NEW ALPINE TYPE R 12" 1500w CAR AUDIO SUBWOOFER SUB 08 for 137 shipped and for 170 its ALPINE SWR-1243D 12" 1800 WATT TYPE R CAR SUBWOOFER SUB |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15925 Registered: Jun-04 | http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ALPINE-SWR-1223D-TYPE-R-12-CAR-SUBWOOFER-2-OHM-/40016544 9521?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item5d2bb82f31 |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 38 Registered: Nov-10 | okay buy that build my own box ported and call it a day having a nice system in my saturn that beats harded than both the sonys in sealed to sum it all up finally lol, thanks |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15926 Registered: Jun-04 | you got it bud |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 41 Registered: Nov-10 | thanks a lot man, appreciate it |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15927 Registered: Jun-04 | your welcome |
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Silver Member Username: MakinblakMonroe/Monticello, La/Ar Post Number: 155 Registered: Oct-10 | ..l., ms |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15983 Registered: Jun-04 | what does that mean |
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Silver Member Username: MakinblakMonroe/Monticello, La/Ar Post Number: 158 Registered: Oct-10 | it's my left hand |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15991 Registered: Jun-04 | whatever that means |
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Silver Member Username: MakinblakMonroe/Monticello, La/Ar Post Number: 160 Registered: Oct-10 | it is me flipping off m.s. |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 15996 Registered: Jun-04 | oh ok |
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Silver Member Username: CanaanwhiteMonroe, Louisiana USA Post Number: 261 Registered: Nov-10 | Just keep the Sonys they are good subs |
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Silver Member Username: ThelonewolfPost Number: 194 Registered: Jul-05 | If i were you I would consider selling it all, getting a Fi SSD15 (dual 2) (H-QTS) (BP power) ($229) in a custom sealed 1.8 CF with http://www.amazon.com/Hifonics-HFi1000-D-Class-Mono-Amplifier/dp/B0036B8UPM (Hifonics HFi1000 Hfi) ($147) wire it in parallel... i think you will be happier with this setup... |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 42 Registered: Nov-10 | i cant fit a 15 in my car |
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Platinum Member Username: Nd4spd18Philadelphia, PA Post Number: 11544 Registered: Jul-06 | " it's my left hand " lol |
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Silver Member Username: ThelonewolfPost Number: 195 Registered: Jul-05 | you have 2 12" now, why wouldnt you be able to fit a 15? |
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Silver Member Username: ThelonewolfPost Number: 196 Registered: Jul-05 | grab a tape and measure what the max is you are able to fix and are willing to give up...the trunk volume comes in at 11 cubic feet according to spec... |
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Silver Member Username: ThelonewolfPost Number: 197 Registered: Jul-05 | 2002 saturn sc1 with 11.4 cubic feet for trunk capacity... that has 2 15"s Just saying.. |
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Gold Member Username: SkdooleyRoanoke, VA Usa Post Number: 1285 Registered: Oct-09 | The L7's sounded bad because they're designed to get loud and that's it. The Alpine subs will be a much better improvement over the Sony's in every aspect possible. |
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Silver Member Username: Stubbs563Cedar Rapids, Iowa Post Number: 228 Registered: Feb-10 | buy an ssd and an audio pipe 1000rms amp, they are cheap and they slam, i have a few buddies that picked them up and they do work. The audio pipe of course. |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 16022 Registered: Jun-04 | those audio pipe amps dont do near rated power I know a guy who tested them |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 16023 Registered: Jun-04 | you have 2 12" now, why wouldnt you be able to fit a 15? he has two 10's and firing backward is the best firing position for that car I know because my brother had that car.....theres not enough height for a 15 without angling up |
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Silver Member Username: MakinblakMonroe/Monticello, La/Ar Post Number: 163 Registered: Oct-10 | M.S. Thats a cute fat hairy psssy u got there |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 43 Registered: Nov-10 | No, I have 2 12s, and yeah, the 12s barely make height room where my 6x9s are, thats my problem |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass2 hifonics 2607s, 2dcSounds12xls SPL\idmax12SQ Post Number: 16030 Registered: Jun-04 | did you order the alpine 12 type r |
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Silver Member Username: ThelonewolfPost Number: 200 Registered: Jul-05 | consider a wedge box? |
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Bronze Member Username: IitreatediiPost Number: 44 Registered: Nov-10 | i didn't buy anything yet, leaning towards 1 ported type r though |
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