i have been reading some threads about subs here and u guys aren't big fans of kicker and you say audiobahn sucks,
the loudest sub i ever heard was one 10" kicker l5 or l7 , u could hear the bass from 1/2 mile away and standing next to the truck your clothing would move and it was hard to breath, inside was intense i thought my heart was going to stop.
the other was an audiobahn 12" that hit so hard the windshield shattered not sure on the box for that one.... im not sure what sub it was im thinking it was an immortal
so im looking at buyin 2 kicker l5 ( 12" ) or maybe just one, i want bass and lots of it like heart stopping bass
can you guys steer me in the right direction , maybe for somthing even better and louder than the kickers ? ill spend what ever i need too , im looking at either 2 10s , 1 or 2 12s maybe even a single 15 good cheap or loud, i hear you can only have 2
Well since you say you'll spend whatever you need to then why not eliminate the kickers? They do indeed get loud but in an untamed way. Many hate the square design for simply the mechanical aspects of the surround and it's limited lifespan, especially under extreme conditions. If it were me I would always choose the single sub setup for more than one reason. Put the combined cone are aside for a minute and consider what a good/great single can accomplish over two mediocre ones. Also consider what you're after. If all you want is loud noise then the Kicker will do but I personally wouldn't invest in it.
Fi has a great hard hitting line and if you want more fine tuned bassology then you can look into SS or even into finding a used Mag or and LMS. Far greater strain on the wallet but also far greater on the final product.
yes the kicker will make lots of noise im after bass im not quite sure how a sub can sound like crap, the whole idea of the sub is for bass is it not ? a square sub has more cone surface than a round sub , there for would move more air, bass = air movement , the more air you move the louder it will be ?
correct me if im wrong but a sub is for lows , lows = bass , mids and highs are taken care of by component speakers and tweeters
i know i have lots to learn, but the thing is i want to learn
The L7 often does not sounds as good as many round subs in the same price range. While it has a cone area advantage that isn't everything- many other factors can change the output of a subwoofer.
I've worked with Kicker subs before and in my opinion there's better for the money. Moving air and sounding good are different, a sub can get loud but be inaccurate and lacking in certain areas.
Ok....I just want to clear up some misconceptions you have.
A) "The loudest sub you ever heard was a 10" L7" .....You don't realize how loud a LOUD system can be. Likely that system was one of the first systems you ever heard and it made an impression on you. You might 'think' it was loud and your mind may be scared by how 'sick' is was, but simply put in the real world of 12v Audio...it was just on the level of a common daily system.
Think about it like this... Remember how scary Chucky in ChildsPlay used to be when you where 8yrs old??? Yea...now compare that to what you know now.
B) A 12" Audiobahn Immortal sub shattered the windshield.
....Not unless the owner threw the sub at the windshield. That windshield shattering w/ 1-12 'dat beats' its just BS. I see every other guy that steps in the shop boasting about 'his boy' that blew out a windshield w/ his 2 soloz. Then I walk them out to my Avalanche and play them a little song at 150dB, they can't even sit in it and can't believe my truck is not blowing up....they say 'ur beatz is louder than his was'.
So, it seams to me that you are pretty much brainwashed on highly marketed brands. They hype the products and the public bites...usually on 'dem soloz and dem mojos'.
Take a step back from what your friends have told you about audio. Read and learn.
Now, a question. What vehicle do you have? What is your budget?
I have a 12" RE SE for sale. It's rated at 600 watts RMS, but will take more. Could be a nice little starter sub for you. As far as what everyone has said, they might be opinions, but most are based on experience. If it weren't for the guys on here I'd probably be running JL Audio. JL is not bad, but way overpriced. So, if I had run JL for what I spent I would probably be running like 500 watts or so and I am going to be running 2000+. To sum things up, the guys (and/or gals) on here wull steer you in the right directions, you just have to be open minded. Ok, back to you death <tag>
Couldnt read the rest of your post cause I laughed so hard from your bs I was like is this fu.ckin guy 4 real. I just have to quote that bs one more time.
"the other was an audiobahn 12" that hit so hard the windshield shattered not sure on the box for that one.... im not sure what sub it was im thinking it was an immortal"
Your a jackazz.
Hang around and learn up. Welcome to ecoustics heres your hard knocks!
Some of the highlights: "i got 3 of the muthas in my pimpin 69' mustang and i pulled up to my firends house and completely shattered his basketball goal. a week later i was driving and got pulled over for public disturbance. when i passed the cop before he pulled my over, i shattered his front windshield."
"i have two of these bad boys in my 95 del sol...and these baddies are crazy loud....when i turned them all the way up i blew off my passanger door."
"i have to get my windows reinforced twice cause i broke them already once"
"i have 2 of these in my 05 staurn ion and there runnning on 2 MTX Class A/B amps and boy do they HIT! Within a week i blew my rear windshield out and i had to replace it with a 2 inch thick glass to keep it from blowing"
"3 of these for my scion inside of my garage..when i turned the system up to test the subs...my GARAGEDOOR EXPLODED INTO THOUSANDS OF PIECES"
Yes, people are stupid. As a matter of fact, my ex and I used to warn each other about going out on certain days. We used to say, "it's stupid people driving day."
Saying that a Kicker L5 and an Audioblah 12" are the loudest subs you've ever heard, is much akin to saying that "my friend's new mustang is the fastest car I've ever seen." It simply means you haven't had any exposure to a good system, or good gear with a proper install (or in the case of the Mustang, a car that actually *is* fast.)
Being able to hear a car from a mile away simply means that the car isn't sound deadened as as a result is highly inefficient. Sound is energy, and that energy is coming from the amplifiers and speakers in the car. The more of that energy you keep INSIDE the car's cabin, the louder the system is for the person for whom it really maters.. the owner. The more you her outside, the less you hear it inside the car. This is why a system that's really set up correctly can be deafening inside the car, but outside you won't hear much. Poorly set up boom cars are just set up to annoy everybody else in the vicinity. Keep this in mind when judging the worth of an audio system.
That being said, you can get very good subs from companies like RE, DD, Fi, and even Alpine that are much better than AB or Kicker Solobarics.
Audiobahn is a cheap mass produced chinese-made speaker that caters to people more excited by chrome and bling and fiery cut-outs than in actual accuracy or sound quality and performance. Their speakers are highly inefficient and built to typical low-cost Chinese standards. Kicker is a good company, but the square subs are a nightmare. They are loud, I'll grant you, but they have serious issues with tinsel lead slap and separation, surround separation, cone distortion/flex due to being square and thus causing unever pressure around the surface of teh cone area during high excursion. They also limit excursion through their design, to get nore surface area via shape. Non-round subs are just generally a bad idea. Same goes for any speaker really, but the effects of these shortocmings are much moe obvious with the higher power handling and excursion witnessed with a subwoofer.
Oh, and on the topic of a broken windshield, no. just no. That isn't going to happen. What might happen is the subs will loosen the putty that holds the glass in place, or pop the glass out of the weather stripping, at which point the glass will fall on the ground and break, but the sound pressure itself will not shatter safety glass. sorry. At least, I should clarify, it isn't going to happen in a daily driver. It might in a pro level world class SPL vehicle that still had all factory glass in place. maaaaaaaybe.
when I did that box with two Orion XTR 12" subs in 4th order on an Orion 280GX back in 92 in the Integra, we popped the back window out of the weather seal, but I don't consider that "breaking" it. Granted, that was low power on old tech.