heres the direct link to the amp im thinking of same website might buy from it seems like a good site i think http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/vpid/5508840/vpcsid/0 /SFV/30046/order/desc/order_by/title
and thats good news for me to hear of your experience with a refurbished amp
Great! thanks for the feedback i just wanted to get some info on refurbished equipment because i wasnt all to sure how they would work. but thanks again