Updating my good/bad/ugly list. come help!
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, SC USA Post Number: 12778 Registered: Dec-03 | OK, it's time to update the list after some years of neglect. I haven't kept up with new brands, so I want input from you guys on brands that are missing (liek Sundown etc) and feel free to offer thoughts on where the brands belong in the list. I'll post the list from [CAC] as it stands now, and respond to the thread with additions which I will add to the list. After a week or two, I will insert the new additions and update the list on [CAC] for anyone who cares to use it or refer others to it. Thanks for the help! Head units ---------------------- Highly Recommended Alpine Clarion ProAudio Eclipse Pioneer Premier Sony Mobile ES (from the early 1990's only, rare) Valor Multimedia Good Clarion Nakamichi Panasonic MXE Pioneer Sony Budget - Bang for the buck Jensen (newer models only) Phase Linear Pioneer Questionable Blaupunkt JVC Kenwood Panasonic Avoid Audiovox Boss Dual Jensen (older models only) Sanyo Amplifiers ---------------------- Highly Recommended Arc Audio Audison Brax Eclipse Esoteric Audio Genesis Harrison Labs Helix HiFonics JBL (Crown made models) JL Audio McIntosh Laboratories Memphis Audio Orion (pre-DEI) PPI Art series Rockford Fosgate (early 90s, Punch and Power series) Tru US Amps (old models only) Xtant Zapco Good Alpine Autotek Avionixx Cadence Cerwin Vega Concept Crossfire Crunch Diamond Audio Directed (DEI) Elevation Audio JBL Kicker Massive Audio MTX Audio Phoenix Gold Planet Audio Rockford Fosgate (Power and Punch series) SoundStream US Acoustics Budget - Bang for the buck Interfire Kole Power Acoustik SPL Questionable Alphasonik Audiobahn Coustic Earthquake Lanzar Lightning Audio MA Audio Phoenix Gold Tsunami US Amps (newer models only) Avoid Bazooka Jensen Kenwood Legacy Optimus Pyle Pyramid Sony Visonik Volfenhag Main Speakers ---------------------- Highly Recommended Adire Audio Alpine (F1 Status components) Arc Audio Beyma Boston Acoustics Bravox (component sets) CD Technologies (CDT) Diamond Audio DLS Dyn Audio Eclipse Focal HI-VI Research Illusion Audio Image Dynamics Infinity (Kappa Perfect series) JL Audio (XR components) JL ZR component line LPG Max-Fidelity MB Quart Morel Rainbow Resonant Engineering Scan-Speak Seas Vifa Visatron Good Alpine Boston Acoustics (lower model lines) Bravox (coaxials) Cerwin Vega Crystal DB Drive Earthquake Fusion Infinity (Kappa and Reference series) JBL Kicker Massive Audio Memphis Audio Pioneer Polk Audio Rockford Fosgate Budget - Bang for the buck Infinity (Kappa and Reference series) Interfire Pioneer Quantum Questionable Kole Phoenix Gold Planet Audio Power Acoustik Powerbass Soundstorm SPL Avoid Audiobahn Boss Audio Crunch Dual Jensen Kenwood Sony Subwoofers ---------------------- Highly Recommended Adire Audio Alpine (Type-X series) Alumapro Arc Audio Ascendant Audio Boston Acoustics Crystal Diamond Audio Digital Designs (DD) DLS Dyn Audio Eclipse Fi Audio Focal Funky Pups Image Dynamics Inhuman Audio JL Audio MB Quart Memphis (Mojo series) MMats OZ Audio Rainbow Resonant Engineering Treo Good Alpine (Type-R or S series) Autotek Bravox CD Technologies (CDT) Cerwin Vega Concept Coustic Crunch DB Drive Fusion HiFonics Infinity (Kappa series and up) Massive Audio MTX Audio (8000's and up) Onyx Audio Pioneer Polk Audio Rockford Fosgate Xtant Budget - Bang for the buck Alpine (Type-R or S series) HiFonics Interfire Kicker (CompVR series) Planet Audio (all but Zetar series) Powerbass Quantum Soundstorm Questionable Coustic Earthquake Elemental Designs Elevation Audio Kole Phoenix Gold Power Acoustik SoundStream SPL Avoid Alphasonik Alpine (Type-E series) Audiobahn Bazooka Boss Audio Dual Jensen Kenwood Lightning Audio MTX (6000's and under) Pioneer (lower models) Power Acoustik Pyle Sony Volfenhag Wiring ----------- Highly Recommended Audiopipe Audison Connect Hooker Audio Kicker Knukonceptz JL Interconnects Streetwires Tsunami Budget - Bang for the buck (none placed here yet) Good Directed Phoenix Digital Scosche Questionable American Bass Audiobahn (RCA cables didn't last long) MA Audio Raptor Avoid (none placed here yet) Batteries --------------- Highly Recommended Deka Interstate Kinetic Northstar Optima Scosche Stinger Tsunami Budget - Bang for the buck (none placed here yet) Good Die Hard (sold by Sears) Duralast Eagle Picher Everstart (Maxx battery only) Exstatic Questionable (none placed here yet) Avoid (none placed here yet) Alternators ------------------- Highly Recommended Excessive Amperage Ohio Generator Stinger Wrangler Budget - Bang for the buck (none placed here yet) Good Iraggi Alternators Motor City Reman Questionable (none placed here yet) Avoid (none placed here yet) Dash Kits/Install Accessories --------------------------------------------- Highly Recommended Metra Budget - Bang for the buck (none placed here yet) Good American International Scosche Questionable Scosche (the ones found at Wal-Mart only) Avoid (none placed here yet) plase note that the list as it stands now was a collaborative effort by the members of CarAudioCentral, and not my work alone. Any strong feelings about items that should be moved in ranking are also accepted, but mostly I'm just looking for the companies I've left out entirely. Thanks.} |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 2995 Registered: May-07 | The lightning audio Storm series is nice stuff. I've had 2 of there x1.1000.1d's and they are strong amps. not as efficient as zenon amplifiers, but still a good strong amp. The Storm series subs are really really nice (they were built by TC sounds). For batteries I'd add interstate to good. I'd add audioque to at least the good list for amplifiers. Subs are good too. I'm sure others will vouch for AQ. Proof of the LA storm...pretty much a tc3000 with a wide roll surround. those are the LA storm x1 amplifiers in the back  |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 3479 Registered: Oct-07 | Sundown should be added in the highly recommended IMO. There's a few more companies to be added somewhere. RD Audio Shok Industries RE Audio Elemental Designs Audioque TC Sounds/Audiopulse Powermaster Batteries Here's to add to the alternators: DC Power Mechman DB Electrical Powerbastards Powermaster |
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Silver Member Username: MmaudioconceptsKY USA Post Number: 703 Registered: Jan-07 | Atomic Amps Need to be on highly recommended Atomic Subs At least Good if not highly |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, SC USA Post Number: 12782 Registered: Dec-03 | thanks so far guys. keep em coming. |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 22597 Registered: Jun-06 | Stereo Integrity for highly recommended subs. |
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Bronze Member Username: BloodforgePost Number: 11 Registered: Mar-10 | I'd also recommend the Atomic subs, I've owned JL's and Fosgates in the past and these things blew my mind. Single Quantum 15 shows quite a bit of SQ for a larger sub. Can't wait to get the enclosure done for my 2 12" Manhattans. Also I see DB Drive listed under good subs, but what about there amps? I don't have experience with them, was thinking about picking up a 1000.1 off of ebay for 159 for a budget amp, I beleive it's okur A3 series. Not trying to go off topic by asking about an item or anything, just thought maybe others out there would be wondering about there amp line as well. |
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Gold Member Username: 04redmach1Giggidy, GA USA Post Number: 2701 Registered: Mar-06 | Adire under highly recommended BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA. Best clarify because the MKIV and MKIII was crap. |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11854 Registered: Jul-06 | Subs Add Sound Splinter - Highly Recommended |
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Bronze Member Username: Jmartin2323Cleveland, Ohio United States Post Number: 15 Registered: Mar-10 | Well I am currently seeing that NO ONE uses or is familiar with American Bass products and its sad to see. They hit a 174 with ONE 18" I think there should be a spot on those lists for AB products. :D |
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Silver Member Username: TreezIts not loud til it he... Post Number: 442 Registered: Aug-06 | Add the following to highly recommended Main speakers A/d/s B&C Hertz Hybrid audio Jbl(Gti) Polk audio(sr line) pioneer (prs & rev line) Usher audio Zapco (ck line) use the name JL audio (only), in place of jl(XR) and jl(ZR) because you would need to add JL C5 to that list Add the following to budget speakers eminence Re audio |
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Gold Member Username: Van_manBoston South, MA Post Number: 5245 Registered: Mar-06 | how do you feel about the kenwood excelon line of HU and amps? HU..good Amps questionable And Macintosh hu? |
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Silver Member Username: Wackzirth88K-town, Il U.S. Post Number: 334 Registered: May-09 | incriminator audio subs and amps, ssa subs, dc sound labs, orion subs |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, SC USA Post Number: 12790 Registered: Dec-03 | heh one of the guys who helped compile the list and break it down by product type actually had a McIntosh head unit.. funny it got left off the revised list.. LOL Like I said though, it needed updating. When this thread dies down, I'll start re-sorting everything and update the main list. thanks again |
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Gold Member Username: JakeyplaysbassSt. Louis, MO / ASU Post Number: 3780 Registered: Jul-05 | Highly rec... Hertz Audio (speakers, subs, amps) Highly rec... TC/Audiopulse (subs) Highly rec... Mmats (amps) Highly rec... Kinetik (batteries) Highly rec... RE Audio (subs) Good... RE Audio (speakers) Good... eD Audio (amps, subs) Also I think some need to be moved around a little but that will be easier to do when you have the full list. |
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Silver Member Username: JbpittPittsburgh, Pa. Usa Post Number: 299 Registered: Jul-09 | Is Valor realy that good? Just asking,was acually just looking at an in dash dvd player an never heard of them before. |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, SC USA Post Number: 12795 Registered: Dec-03 | RE = Resonant Engineering, or is there another Re around now? personally, never used Valor, so couldn't say. Someone else took the original list I compiled and separated it into amps/sources/speakers/subs etc.. and rearrranged everything, added some stuff (left a lot out it seems) and I hadn't looked at it much since. I finally decided to re-write it, using the revised list as a starting point. |
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Gold Member Username: DuckaShelby Twp., MI United States Post Number: 1393 Registered: Jan-08 | JVC arsenal HU's should make the good list if not the highly recommended.} |
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Gold Member Username: DuckaShelby Twp., MI United States Post Number: 1394 Registered: Jan-08 | Also alpine type-r's should probably be highly reccommended, not just good. Honestly is there a better woofer for the price? They can take a beating(easily handle twice their rms rating), get very loud, and sound pretty good. |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, SC USA Post Number: 12801 Registered: Dec-03 | hmm I thought JVC's Arsenal line was in the good list.. I'll have to check that one when I update. I like their higher end stuff, along with Clarion's flagship line (pro audio) to specify on good vs highly recommended, the HR section is mostly supposed to be the "beyond reproach" audiophile group of brands, like Zapco and McIntosh, Rainbow, and DynAudio.. The "good" section is the stuff you'd recommend without hesitation, but brands that typically have a lot of similar competition in the marketplace.. such as "Oh yeah, this brand is really good, but also look at these other two brands.." Some things like the old Orion HCCA/SX/GX/GS lines of amplifiers, PPI art and AM series, anything McIntosh Labs touch, Zapco's CK line of amps and signal processors, and things like that are what I think of as highly recommended. I think what I may do now that I am giving this some thought, is to rename that section. I think I'll keep the good, questionable, and avoid, and rename the HR section to something more like "elite" or "audiophile grade" as in the type of product that's a go-to brand or line for the competitors in SPL and SQ events, or for Collectors of high end classic audio gear. That may help dispell the line between what's good and what's "great" as that causes too much disagreement. Anything in the good section, I don't hesitate to recommend. The HR/audiophile section is more for the "I want the best. I don't care what it costs" folks. does that sound better? |
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Silver Member Username: QuirkySA, Texas Post Number: 400 Registered: Feb-07 | I don't know if I agree with the term "Bang for the buck". Most of the brands you have listed under that title will not stretch your dollar any farther but rather they represent the budget money you put into it. You are not actually getting a lot for the "buck" you put into them. I see more of the "highly recommended" and "good" brands that will give you a lot more for what you pay for in comparison to brands in that price range. |
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Gold Member Username: Van_manBoston South, MA Post Number: 5246 Registered: Mar-06 | sounds good. |
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Silver Member Username: Boston_splHighland, CA United States Post Number: 154 Registered: Nov-08 | First off, I would give some serious thought into moving Valor HU's down the list... way down, like with Boss, Dual & Jensen. They're the polar opposite of Alpine, which I own (IVA-D300). Also, adding "Odyssey" for batteries, or put "Odyssey/ Stinger". I could be wrong on this, but are JL Audio amps really up there with Zapco, McIntosh, & Audison in quality? Also, I'm fairly sure that Crunch, Kole, & Power Acoustik (amps) are not in the same league as Alpine, Kicker, MTX & Diamond Audio. Just a few suggestions. I think this list is a great idea. Especially for newcomers. Keep it up. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 13811 Registered: Jun-04 | dc sounds subs should go in a high class rating in my opinion |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, SC USA Post Number: 12805 Registered: Dec-03 | heh yeah, all noted. I actually didn't come up with hte "bang for the buck" term or catagory, but I think I know who did, and it doesn't surprise me. LOL I think that catagory may go, too, as honestly nothing in car audio is cheap, per se. you always get exactly what you pay for.. that is unless you over-pay for something.. in which case it's your own fault for failing to do your research before shelling out the cash.. haha |
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Silver Member Username: QuirkySA, Texas Post Number: 401 Registered: Feb-07 | So true and not only is it applied to car audio. I see it even more in home audio where some power cords and RCA's range into the thousands. You get what you pay for however, sometimes your paying for BS. |
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Gold Member Username: DuckaShelby Twp., MI United States Post Number: 1395 Registered: Jan-08 | Thanks for clearing up what the HR section was reserved for.
x2 I know from experience that crunch is trash. Also noticed hifonics amps in the HR section... that should probably get moved... Idk how the old stuff was, but my experience tells me they are overrated. |
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Silver Member Username: Boston_splHighland, CA United States Post Number: 156 Registered: Nov-08 | ^^^ x2 on Hifonics. Also, I'm not sure if JL Audio components are in the same league as Rainbow, Focal, & DynAudio. I think not. |
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Gold Member Username: TejcurrentPost Number: 2192 Registered: Apr-07 | I agree with putting the ab products on the good list, as well as Incriminator Audio. SSA has received good reviews on several subs now on the ssa forum. |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, SC USA Post Number: 12824 Registered: Dec-03 | guys do me a favor. when listing brands, type out the names for me.. stuff like RE, say.. Resonant Engineering (RE) that way I don't get confused when I go through all of this later on at 3am, which I'm likely to do at some point. haha thanks. that's the way I plan to list the brands, so if someone searches "RE" they still find it.. but if they want to find a website, they know the full actual name. with Hifonics, their amps have been reliable for me, they just used unregulated power supplies and liked to measure their amplifier outputs at 15 or 16 volts, so they'd get higher numbers.. then people bought them and found out the amp didn't deliver the power they expected, and folks got mad.. but they don't fail commonly like, say, Sony. The funny thing is, people scream about a 10 or 15% flux in output on a 1000 watt amp, but in reality, you couldn't hear the difference. That's not even -1dB in audible volume difference.. :D I guess I can understand wanting what you paid for though. Reminds me of the guy in teh 80s who sued Ford over the "Mustang GT 5.0" name because the 302 in the Mustang is only 4.95 Liters, and Ford's response was "5.0 is just a name, not a measure of displacement." The guy lost the suit. |
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Gold Member Username: The_image_dynamicSan Diego, California Post Number: 5685 Registered: Dec-06 | This may be a bit over the top but.... when I read lists like this I always wonder why high end speaker components are never listed. A lot of my builds, especially component speakers, use high-end drivers with custom (or very closely matching, off the shelf) crossovers. Driver brands like Eton, Seas, ScanSpeak, Vifa, Peerless, Accuton, LPG, Morel -- just off the top of my head -- will produce FAR better component speakers than any pre-packaged systems currently available. Granted, alot of these companies have limited choices in 4ohm drivers available, but that is where finesse and creative crossovers come into play. Maybe there could be a "custom build" section or something similar. I dunno, just a thought... |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, SC USA Post Number: 12830 Registered: Dec-03 | I have used most of the brands you've listed, and built passive filters, but to be honest, if you really want to build a high end system, you wouldn't be using passive filters in the first place. You'd run fully active, and use a digital signal processor to avoid phase shift issues, distortion, and heat issues, as well as the induction of noise commonly caused by passive filter networks. DSPs also allow for much better handling of Q factor, time alignment, and delay, not to mention with a fully active system, cut/boost tweaking per driver. A lot of people don't have the money or experience to do a fully custom install of that nature though, and (at least when I origianlly wrote the list) most of the brands above were included (Vifa, Seas, ScanSpeak, Peerless, and Morel to name a few) The short of it is, if you need to use a list like the one above, you most likely won't be shopping for the type of gear you've noted. If you are shopping for brands like ScanSpeak, you're most likely not going to need a list like the one above, and will know your gear before you even start piecing that advanced of a system together, or you'll be paying someone like me to do that for you. I'm an EE and a master installer with 20 years' experience. I don't need this sort of a list, nor would you. Someone just starting out in car audio who wants to build his first system on his own, and doesn't know the brands may, however, want a bit of help as a starting point for what sort of brands to consider, and which to avoid. That was the intent of the list. Just a simple starting point for the people without the experience to know what to look for. It's the same reason I wrote articles on topics like understanding TS specs, and amplifier fundamentals. So people can get a better grasp on the basics when they're starting out. Thanks for the input! |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, SC USA Post Number: 12938 Registered: Dec-03 | The list is re-written now. http://www.caraudiocentral.net/forums/showthread.php?p=134688#post134688 (for those who are members of CAC) Here it is: Head units ---------------------- Audiophile Grade Alpine F#1status McIntosh Labs Pioneer Premier (flagship models) Good Alpine Blaupunkt Clarion Clarion ProAudio Eclipse JVC Kenwood Excelon Nakamichi Panasonic MXE Pioneer Pioneer Premier Sony Mobile ES Phase Linear Pioneer Questionable Jensen Kenwood Panasonic Sony Avoid Audiovox Boss Dual Jensen (older models) Sanyo Valor Multimedia Amplifiers ---------------------- Audiophile Grade Arc Audio Audison Brax Eclipse Esoteric Audio Genesis Harrison Labs Helix Incriminator Audio McIntosh Laboratories Orion (classic GS, HCCA, SX, GX, and XTR series) Precision Power Inc (PPI) Art and AM series (classic) Rockford Fosgate (early 90s, Punch and Power series) Tru US Amps (old models only) Xtant Zapco Good a/d/s Alpine Audioque Atomic Autotek Avionixx Cadence Cerwin Vega Concept Coustic Crossfire Diamond Audio Directed (DEI) Elemendal Designs (eD) Elevation Audio Hertz Audio HiFonics JBL JL Audio Kicker Lightnihg Audio Massive Audio Memphis Audio MMATS MTX Audio Orion Phoenix Gold (classic US-made) Planet Audio Precision Power Inc (PPI) Rockford Fosgate SoundStream Sundown Audio US Acoustics Viper Questionable Alphasonik Audiobahn Crunch dB Drive Earthquake Interfire Kenwood Excelon Lanzar MA Audio Phoenix Gold (newer) Tsunami US Amps (newer models only) Avoid Bazooka Coustic (old AMP series) Jensen Kenwood Kole Legacy Optimus Power Acoustik Pyle Pyramid Sony SPL Visonik Volfenhag Main Speakers ---------------------- Audiophile Grade Accuton Alpine F#1status) Bravox DLS Dyn Audio Eton Focal (flagship line) LPG Morel Rainbow ScanSpeak Seas Vifa Good a/d/s Adire Audio Alpine Arc Audio B&C Beyma Boston Acoustics CD Technologies (CDT) Cerwin Vega Crystal DB Drive Diamond Audio Eclipse Earthquake Eminence Audio Focal Hertz Audio Hybrid Audio Focal Fusion HI-VI Research Illusion Audio Image Dynamics Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio Kicker LPG Massive Audio Max-Fidelity MB Quart Memphis Audio Peerless Pioneer Polk Audio Quantum Resonant Engineering (RE) Rockford Fosgate (RF) Usher Audio Visatron Zapco Questionable Kole Phoenix Gold Planet Audio Power Acoustik Powerbass Avoid Audiobahn Boss Audio Crunch Dual Jensen Kenwood Sony Soundstorm SPL Subwoofers ---------------------- (Due to the constantly changing nature of the subwoofer market, and the fact that there are numerous subcatagories for competitors, an Audiophile Grade catagory has not been included for this section.) Good Alpine Alumapro American Bass Arc Audio Ascendant Audio Atomic Audiopulse Audioque Autotek Boston Acoustics Bravox CD Technologies (CDT) Cerwin Vega Concept Coustic Crunch Crystal DB Drive DC Sound Labs Diamond Audio Digital Designs (DD) DLS Dyn Audio Eclipse Fi Audio Focal Funky Pups Fusion Hertz Audio HiFonics Image Dynamics Incriminator Audio Infinity Inhuman Audio Interfire JL Audio Kicker Lightning Audio Massive Audio MB Quart Memphis MMats MTX Audio Onyx Audio Orion OZ Audio Pioneer Planet Audio Polk Audio Powerbass Quantum Rainbow RD Audio Resonant Engineering (RE) Rockford Fosgate Shok Industries SSA (Sound Solutions Audio) Sound Splinter Stereo Integrity TC Sounds Treo Xtant Questionable Adire Audio Coustic Earthquake Elemental Designs (eD) Elevation Audio Kicker Solobaric square subs Kole Phoenix Gold Power Acoustik SoundStream SPL Avoid Alphasonik Alpine (Type-E series) Audiobahn Bazooka Boss Audio Dual Jensen Kenwood MTX (6000's and under) Pioneer (lower models) Power Acoustik Pyle Sony Soundstorm Volfenhag Wiring ----------- Good Audiopipe Audison Connect Directed Hooker Audio Kicker Knukonceptz JL Interconnects Phoenix Digital Scosche Streetwires Tsunami Questionable American Bass Audiobahn MA Audio Raptor Avoid (none placed here yet) Batteries --------------- Good Deka Duralast Eagle Picher Everstart (Maxx batteries) Exstatic Interstate Kinetic Northstar Odyssey Optima Powermaster Scosche Sears Die Hard Gold and Platinum series Stinger Tsunami Avoid (none placed here yet) Alternators ------------------- Good DB Electrical DC Power Excessive Amperage H/O alternators Lestek Mechman Motor City Reman (MCR) Ohio Generator Powerbastards Powermaster Stinger Wrangler Questionable Iraggi Avoid (none placed here yet) Dash Kits/Install Accessories --------------------------------------------- Good American International Metra Scosche Avoid (none placed here yet) |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, SC USA Post Number: 12970 Registered: Dec-03 | bumped on request. list is updated, but still taking suggestions for revisions. |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 3018 Registered: May-07 | I think my post was misleading about the lightning audio products (after I saw you had them on the good list for amps and subs). the storm series of lightning audio is the good series (storm amps were built by rockford, storm subs were built by tc sounds.) LA's bolt series is junk. havent tries the strike line up but many have claimed them to be superior to the bolt linup, it's the middle grade stuff. some of the strike series amps had staggered power supplies even, but ive never tried any so I cannot comment on them. |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 22661 Registered: Jun-06 | Shok Industries wire wasn't added under good. |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 353 Registered: Mar-09 | Crescendo Audio, good amp section. Cascade Designs good sub section. Diablo Audio Technologies, good amp section. Stetsom, good amp section. Soundigital, good amp section. JBL, good amp/sub section. T3 Audio, good sub section. Powerbass, ASA budget amp section, XA good amp section. Mach5 Audio subs should atleast be in budget section, if not good section. |
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Gold Member Username: Kyle_lowePost Number: 1021 Registered: Apr-06 | you listed pioneer twice in the good hu list |
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