15" Challenge
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 203 Registered: Apr-07 | I know Im not on here much anymore cause I run another car audio forum and have about 8 forums im on daily. Just thought id post it up here for people not on CA or CACO. I will be conducting a 15" challenge test in the upcoming weeks. I have RD, T3, Sundown, Ultra, EVO, DC, and a few others that have all sent there best 15"s in for testing. More info will be posted below, as I proceed. |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 204 Registered: Apr-07 | Aim: To investigate the performance levels among various subwoofer models while going through various testing with equal environments, including power and enclosure. ________________________________________ Hypothesis: I feel certain subwoofers will benefit in smaller enclosures while others benefit from the larger enclosures. Overall this will give a good representation of how each subwoofer performs overall and how each can handle the power given to them. I do not see any one subwoofer dominating the field. ________________________________________ Method or plan: Testing Setup 1987 Chevy Chevette 360A Ohio Gen. Alt 600' of 1/0 6 Stinger SPV70s Boxes -- Six different boxes will be built (all 1.5" mdf) •3 Bassrace •3 Spl Boxes •3 Daily Boxes Tests- • 30 second bassrace average (all subs will be on the same song which is not appointed yet) • Spl burp peak score • Daily will be tested by ear, this is obviously an opinionated decision but we will try and do the best we can in this case. Scores- Bassrace and SPL peak will be held on a Termlab mic. Equipment being tested- Subwoofers- 1. RD SHW 2. DC LVL5 3. RD HW 4. CD SWN 5. DD 9515G 6. RD Alpha-max 7. SD Nightshade 8. AP Revo 9. DC Lvl 4 10. SD Z15 11. CD Omega V1 12. AQ HDC3 13. CD Omega V2 14. Evo EVO 15. T3 TSS 16. T3 TSNS 17. RD Sonance Amps- DD Z2lv RD D9.0 RD D13.0 |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 205 Registered: Apr-07 | Equipment: Agilent MSO6052A 2+16 CH Mixed Signal O-scope EMU 4141USB sound card FLUKE OF-500-10 OptiFiber Multimode 2 USB (freshly calibrated) TL mics Boxes: All 1.5" thick (double 3/4"MDF) 2.5^3 @ 35hz 3.5^3 @ 35hz 4.5^3 @ 35hz 2.5^3 @ 40hz 3.5^3 @ 40hz 4.5^3 @ 40hz 2.5^3 @ 45hz 3.5^3 @ 45hz 4.5^3 @ 45hz Test: Using the EMU with ARTA software and O-scope I will be able to set each amp (during nominal load) to within about 5 watts of each subs RATED POWER. From there I will perform multiple burp tests with a wide range of frequencies, everything will be graphed on RTA termlab and the O-scope ARTA software. The bassrace runs will be held using a variety of three songs, Late-night tip/B*tches/Lollipop. Each song has its own range of frequencies that will help give a "good idea" as to which subwoofers perform better for 30 seconds at a set volume. This is obviously a much less accurate test then tones but it is still something I feel is useful to viewers. The first weeks test will be held in a Toyota 4runner, with dual mechman alternators and literally pallets of batteries from a sponsoring shop that is a stinger dealer, they hold no connections with any companies involved mind you. Testing will begin with all rated powers being run, then I will continue to increase in 100-500wrms increments for each sub. I will be not be using any thermal probs that could cause any damage to any equipment as I know some companies have questioned that. Second weeks test will be held in a controlled facility called Alcan Industries, where I have access to a 2,000 cubic foot controlled temperature and humidity room, used in the past as a curing room for poly-propelyne film. Each box will be placed in the center of the room on a three foot high stool with the TL on a mic stand roughly three feet off the ground. Room temperature will be set at 70 degrees Fahrenheit along with a 50% humidity. I have worked to get the controls very set, all though they are not very realistic to consumers. I have had this experiment built between recommendations from Mark from Mach 5, Steve from RD, Jacob from Sundown, Scott from Evo, Nick from FI, and a Dbdrag world final judge, which will be most likely be present during the test (Jeremy Weber). |
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Gold Member Username: DeadrabitMarionville, MO Post Number: 1750 Registered: Jun-07 | this is good stuff |
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Silver Member Username: WickedbassNashville, Tn Post Number: 578 Registered: Jan-08 | Sounds good man! Can't wait for the results. Also, props for taking on this project! |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 11448 Registered: Jun-04 | I look forward to the results as well. |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 2704 Registered: Oct-07 | I thought you were going to do it in the Toyota Matt. And when can I come to see some of these woofers and testing. |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 206 Registered: Apr-07 | I still have the chevette on hand so I plan to use that unless it sells then I will use the 4runner. You can come anytime, but testing wont start till next week |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 149.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 14992 Registered: Jul-05 | excellent idea ! just curious : why so many models of RD being tested against only 1 model from other companies ? ...is it because of what ppl sent in ? would have liked to see 4 more subs in that mix if possible : atomic apxx , fully loaded FI BTL, American bass vfl & Cactus sounds elite ...  |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 207 Registered: Apr-07 | Yep all about what companies sent in to me for testing, actually RD hasnt gotten the SHW to me yet so right now I only have three subs from them. Nick and Scott at FI have been talked to and have declined sending a sub in. I cant get in touch iwht the guys at atomic Bob has been very busy and hasnt gotten back to me Christoph at cactus wont let anyone test anything unless you put the big bucks down lol |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 149.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 14994 Registered: Jul-05 | oh ok - cool man hmmm u wud think every1 who thinks their product is the best wud gladly send in 1 of their subs to go head to head with all the other top players in the game but i guess they have their reasons ... |
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Gold Member Username: 04redmach1Www.rdaudio.net, GA USA Post Number: 2569 Registered: Mar-06 | It's a good thing you're doing Matt. Alot of time and effort to complete this challenge. Don't have too much fun Kevin |
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Gold Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, WI Post Number: 3829 Registered: Mar-07 | This should be interesting. Can't wait to see the results. Is there any type of meet going on for this, Matt? And how exactly are you going to use the chevette? Did you take the wall out??? And it's nice to see the Revo in there |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 208 Registered: Apr-07 | Rovin- some companies feel that these results may be skewed so they wish to not participate, others know their products wont stand up the hype they have given them cough cough IA cough. lol Kevin- I have about 40 hours into this thus far and still nothing has seen power. I cant wait to have a little fun but that wont be until after I do all the lower power tests.I got the thumbs up to give the TSNS, HW, and Lvl5 as much power as I want so thats when the fun comes in. Staven- I have a ton of room in the front of the car and the wall is sealed off atm. Plans are looking more and more like the 4runner will be used though due being a more accurate test for real life situations. |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 2707 Registered: Oct-07 | yeah I would say do the tests with the 4-runner. I didnt see "tons" of room when I saw the chevette. lol. |
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Gold Member Username: 04redmach1Www.rdaudio.net, GA USA Post Number: 2572 Registered: Mar-06 | Nice! I would love to see that test in person haha. When do you plan to start testing the first woofer? Kevin |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 3275 Registered: May-07 | i cant wait for the results.. I have been all over this since it was announced... I REALLY want to see the TSNS, HW, LVL5 go all out... I have my predictions for that one.  |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 2708 Registered: Oct-07 | Let me know when you start testing Matt. |
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Gold Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, WI Post Number: 3832 Registered: Mar-07 | "yeah I would say do the tests with the 4-runner. I didnt see "tons" of room when I saw the chevette. lol." x2 lol |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 209 Registered: Apr-07 | When the seat is out of the passenger side on the chevette I can fit a good 5 cubic foot box but I think you guys are right the 4runner will be more practical. Mechman just hooked me up with an alt, I just got a few hundred feet of Stinger HPM 1/0, and im working with ANT right now on getting Second Skin, install starts on Tuesday and im hoping to be done by thursday but I really have a lot to do so we will see. Tests will begin next week sometime though. |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 159 Registered: Mar-09 | Hell yeah this is going to be good. Matt Kitzis Is the AudioQue HDC3 with copper coils or aluminum coils with american parts? It the T3 Audio TSS/TSNS the ones on there site rite now or the brand new ones? What about... Treo SSX,CSX,CXT Crossfire XS/XS-SPL Mach5 Audio IXL/SPL RE SX,XXX,MT Sound Splinter RL-P/RL-S Powerbass 3XL Orion HCCA Mmats Jugg/Dread |
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Silver Member Username: M0nstarToledo, OH U.S. Post Number: 282 Registered: Dec-08 | videos = must have =D cant wait |
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Gold Member Username: JkidderWorlds gunna end, In 2012 Post Number: 4087 Registered: Nov-05 | neo tsns or ferrite? |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 210 Registered: Apr-07 | TSNS was never NIB based, its always been ferrite and they will remain that way. The HDC3 is copper unfortunately, DJL will not let me use one so I have to use what i all ready have. AS for the other companies I have either not been able to get in touch with them or they are not interested in testing. |
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Gold Member Username: JkidderWorlds gunna end, In 2012 Post Number: 4092 Registered: Nov-05 | "TSNS was never NIB based, its always been ferrite and they will remain that way." i can't tell you how wrong you are... |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 160 Registered: Mar-09 | Matt Kitzis Are the T3 Audio TSS/TSNS the ones on there site rite now or the brand new ones? What companys have you contacted and they said NO,and which one have not got back to you. The TSNS on there site rite now 620oz. Neo Motor Option. |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 161 Registered: Mar-09 | Oh yeah if my friend will sell me his older AudioQue HD3 15" I will ship it to you to see what it can do compared to the other. |
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Gold Member Username: BernymacPhnom PenhCambodia Post Number: 4627 Registered: Sep-04 | Older aq hd315 ftmfw. Possibly the best sub I have ever owned/used. Loud and it never gave up! |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 3279 Registered: May-07 | Matt is correct from what I understand to be true about the tsns.. Although they do now have the Neo option, they are still ferrite based. Option and based being the key words. would also love to see the: new "monster" DDz Sound splinter rl-* LMS Ultra- against the LVL5 and HW, ect.. Axis or as many Neo based Subs as possible. |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 3280 Registered: May-07 | OZ-spl^^-- (not sure if they offer a 15 though) Mmats Jugg IDMAXX L7-for a few reasons Alpha V.2 non FW |
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Gold Member Username: BernymacPhnom PenhCambodia Post Number: 4628 Registered: Sep-04 | I would send in my ap axis but i don't want to pay for shipping and its also my baby. I take care of it. |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11426 Registered: Jul-06 | Have fun with the testing. I hope whatever it is you want to accomplish will be accomplished. As for whoever was commenting on having Sound Splinter subs incorporated into the mix (assuming my understanding of the challenge is correct in thinking that it is all SPL based judging by the subs being used, didn't feel like reading the whole thread) would be a waste of time imo. The RL-p isn't SPL based in the least and the RL-s is even further from being SPL based. But then again, if you got the chance to hear one of the sweetest sounding subs on the market then why not, right? |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 212 Registered: Apr-07 | JK- The neo is an option but have you ever seen one? Its not pracitcal like most NIB based subs. Beleive me I know ;) Unknown- (Chad?) Companies to say no are: FI: Nick and Scott prefer their own testing IA: Nick feels his testing is all that needs to be proven. Mach 5: Mark simply doesnt have the extra money but has helped me a bunch in setting up the data. Cascade Designs: Not ready Sound Digital (Shocker): Not ready Audioque: Wont compare there products Digital Designs: Wont send anything out Companies I have not been able to get in contact with or have not called me back: Rockford Fosgate, JL, JBL, Alpine, Audiopulse (go figure), Soundspliter, Treo, Kicker, and Directed (orion) I am testing several "SQL" based drivers like the sonance, Z15, and ultra. So RL-p would be fun, unfortunatly most companies fell my results could be skewed and it could lose them potential customers. That is their thoughts and all I can do is respect them, i guess. As for testing neo based subs, I have researched and built subs for a long time and if someone here can give me more positives about NIB based motors then negatives to prove me wroung then I will throw a few in my tests, I have a TC 3k neo and a few shocker sig neos I could run in the test. |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 162 Registered: Mar-09 | The other 9500 "I have a TC 3k neo and a few shocker sig neos I could run in the test." The more the better. Did you get the T3 Audio TSS/TSNS from John D or someone else or yours? And as for amps a Crunch GP3000D-Pro or the newer Crunch GPV3000.1D-Pro. |
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Gold Member Username: JakeyplaysbassSt. Louis, MO / ASU Post Number: 3602 Registered: Jul-05 | I have a Treo SSi 15" and could probably get ahold of an SSx 15". I dont feel like paying full shipping but maybe we can work something out. PM me here or on CA if interested. |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 218 Registered: Apr-07 | I all ready invested a ton of money into this, roughly 10,000 between the new equipment and renting out the lab, sorry but I am unable to pay for any thing atm. |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 163 Registered: Mar-09 | I was reading over on CA about Ami Creations building the boxes or some of the box. Isn't Ami Creations RD Audio box builder? |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 219 Registered: Apr-07 | Ami (Mike) was going to build some as he offered to do it but I ended up going with Jarrett (gearguy) from CA/CACO as he lives close and is not affiliated with any companies, we spent a good few weekends but they are solid/heavy boxes. Also just to clarify with JK, I have talked with both Ed Lester and JD, no Neo was ever made for them, its simply a $1000 option they offer with the knowledge no one will buy it cause its simply not needed. |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 164 Registered: Mar-09 | DAMN, he decided to keep the older HD3,so thats a know show. Matt Kitzis I called and ask Crossfire/toshim and he said he needs to know more info, so give him a email explaining everything. toshim@crossfirecaraudio.com I also called Americanbass/Bob and I was put on hold for like 10 minutes so I hung up.I'll try again tomorrow. What about Elevation Audio? |
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Silver Member Username: Armykyle1Ms Us Post Number: 555 Registered: Dec-08 | cant wait |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 220 Registered: Apr-07 | Email sent to toshim, thanks for that As for Bob hes been super busy latly so best of luck with that thanks for the help |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 632 Registered: May-07 | The SHW V.2 is not ready yet we are waiting on a couple parts. We are working on cone that you can remove and re-use. Maybe we can get you one for testing with a regular cone. I will see what can be done over the next couple weeks. |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 3298 Registered: May-07 | I sure wish a Alpha V.2 was inthe mix, I want to see the results compared to the Revo. Their is a thread comparing the 2, and I think that the alpha would do better than the peeps posting in the thread are saying. I would bet on it. I've heard more Revo setups than Alpha's and I have no problem saying that I know the Revo would get owned. But I'm running Alphas so I'm sure that I will be labeled as biased. So I refrained from giving my opinion in the thread, Plus It was B's Revo being sold, and I am glad he got it done... |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 165 Registered: Mar-09 | Atomic said no maybe next time. JBL said let me talk to my supervision. |
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Gold Member Username: JkidderWorlds gunna end, In 2012 Post Number: 4093 Registered: Nov-05 | you have a couple shocker neo sigs laying around? you're a gangsta. let me buy a couple. also, a while back when they "introduced" the neo tsns i remember specifically several people saying they ordered them so i guess they lie. |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 221 Registered: Apr-07 | Im not arguing with you, I just have never seen them and from what JD and Ed told me they dont exsist they were just an option that was like an extra 1000. 400 a pop for the sig neo motors. There a buddies of mine but they have literally been sitting for years along with the rest of his beautiful collection. |
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Gold Member Username: JkidderWorlds gunna end, In 2012 Post Number: 4095 Registered: Nov-05 | give me a few weeks. i'll make an offer. i need to find out how to recone them. any suggestions on soft parts? i'm def. interested. |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 224 Registered: Apr-07 | David Moore (TeamPSI) Alex (Cascade Designs) Scott (EVO) David is your best bet at getting it done quickly and using the exact coil. Rumor has it he was the one that originally designed them, but dont quote me on that. |
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Gold Member Username: JkidderWorlds gunna end, In 2012 Post Number: 4100 Registered: Nov-05 | sweet thanks. i'm game for one but give me a few weeks and i'll know if i want two or not. contact your buddy let him know i'm interested. they arent damaged correct? |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 225 Registered: Apr-07 | I told him and he said they arent going anywhere heres a pic, no damage to them  |
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Bronze Member Username: AllthingzaudioA - TOWN - WEST-END, GA USA Post Number: 92 Registered: Jul-08 | I wish some of these companies would MAN UP and send some subs. Grow some nuts and send subs!!! I just want to see a bunch of them tested. If there not the loudest maybe they will sound the best. unless they know they are all hype and it would kill there sales. what do the have to loose if the get the sub back ? shipping costs? |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 226 Registered: Apr-07 | Well some sub companies have told me to let loose after my basic testing to find thermal and mechanical limits, so some companys may get broken subs back, but hey recones arent that much. |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 171 Registered: Mar-09 | Is T3 Audio one of those companies. I would love to see what the TSS and TSNS could do at full tilt. Are you going to "test" any Alpine Type R,Kicker L5/L7/CVX/Classis Solo,Rockford T1/T2,MTX 7500/8500/9500? |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11439 Registered: Jul-06 | "I wish some of these companies would MAN UP and send some subs. " No offense but if I owned a company, I wouldn't send my product for this test and I know there are many others who feel the same. |
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Gold Member Username: JkidderWorlds gunna end, In 2012 Post Number: 4111 Registered: Nov-05 | depends on what company i owned yanks. if i was underground i definitely would. but if youre an established company you have too much to lose. if the underground community reads this and sees the big companies flagship driver getting whooped by a standard underground woofer it truly hurts those big companies who sell products on mediocre build quality, average technology and name alone. i'd really like to see the IA flatlyne, mach 5 spl and atomic apxx. whats the date this starts? |
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Gold Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 1663 Registered: Aug-07 | did you try callin Sony or Dual??? haha everyone seems to think the Dual 12's in the Bandpass box is the SH!T at bestbuy... |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11440 Registered: Jul-06 | "depends on what company i owned yanks. if i was underground i definitely would. but if youre an established company you have too much to lose. if the underground community reads this and sees the big companies flagship driver getting whooped by a standard underground woofer it truly hurts those big companies who sell products on mediocre build quality, average technology and name alone." See, this is where I disagree JK. Whether I owned a company like Fi or if I owned a company like JL, I would not par-take in this event. The underground companies have the most at risk here. The mainstream have nothing to lose, lets be serious. If Kicker throws in an L7 for the test and gets demolished, oh no, whats going to happen? No one is going to buy them? No, because they aren't going to post these results at Best Buy or at local shops which is where a very high majority of Kicker's sales happen I would imagine. The majority of people on the forums the results will be posted on already don't want to buy an L7 or anything mainstream. They already know what sub does what. I mean, do you expect that everytime that a thread pops up with this 15 vs this 15 that someone is going to post a link to the results of this test? Doubt it to be honest. IMO, I think this test will be like a new forum starting up. It'll be cool for about a month then slowly die off as all those companies begin to use different motors and technology and engineer new subs. I don't want to be a negative Nancy about this but I don't see what this test will prove. It will be helpful for the SPL community and that's about it IMO. I mean, personally speaking, there are subs on that list that I would never purchase even if this test proves that the sub is the "best" one out of the ones tested mainly because of the company and my bias. And to take that a step further, most people on here and other forums are biased to one company or another. As an example, let's say that the test proves that the RD HW wins the test. I know a bunch of people that still won't buy that sub because of their feelings on RD. I hate to sound negative on this but its all just my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt I guess. |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 231 Registered: Apr-07 | I see where your coming from Yanks and I appreciate your opinion, its a great point. What this test is about is several things though. First off all the models of all the subs are 09 so they should be around for a while but I understand that changes will be made. The biggest issue is people who benchmark their own product. This allows a third party source (me) to put everything to a fair test. I have a big rep, I am friends with literally all companies, so I hold no grudges and would have no reason to skew numbers. Honestly I am interested in seeing how each sub performs. That is why I will do tests at all subs rated powers. Then increase from there, alot of SPL guys want to know the thermal/mechanical limits of these subs. Not many people are going to go out and buy a TSNS or SHW, to blow up and find out. Instead these companies gave me permission to give em some real power and see what they can do. Also some subs require more space then others to get loud while others perform better in smaller enclosures. This will give people a much much better idea as to what kinda results will be seen in there own setups without having to try it first. Ontop of that I am doing personal review/write-ups on each products build quality/sound(obviously opinionated) and shipping methods. As I feel those are also important. Its kinda of like when a car and driver magazine gets a new Mercedes, BMW, and Audi in to test. Everyone can look at specs and assume but its nice to get a real life third party comparison. Hopefully you understand where Im coming from and that makes some more sense, but I do understand what you mean, i just feel my reasoning's are still worthy of testing. |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11441 Registered: Jul-06 | I completely understand where you are coming from Matt and I completely respect what you are doing in the test and I hope it turns out for the best and really helps some people. In reading your post above me I can see where it will help certain people. It seems obviously skewed towards the SPL side of life but I mean,that's a given since sound quality is so subjective. You are controlling every aspect possible in this test it appears and its good to see you are because if you weren't it would certainly skew the results. The only thing you can't control is people's opinions formed before the test that they are unwilling to give up. We all have them, including me. I just hope you get what you're looking for from the test bud. Good luck with it all and I and many others will be looking forward to all the results. |
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Silver Member Username: Wolf_houndPhoenix, AZ Post Number: 900 Registered: Sep-05 | I couldn't agree more with you yanks. P.S snow still blows |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 232 Registered: Apr-07 | Thanks guys I do respect the polite criticism, beats some other forums where guys were just aruging about every little thing and had no reason lol. P.S. no one was arguing about snow, we all know he blows lol |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 2762 Registered: Oct-07 | stfu all of you. |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 179 Registered: Mar-09 | So what subs are in the 15" Challenge at this point? (I think)T3 Audio/John said it will be the new TSS and the older TSNS. |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 20535 Registered: Jun-06 | So only 2009 models are in the running here? And they must be donated to this challenge? Makes me wonder how some "discontinued" legend subs from our past would fair. Carry on.  |
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Silver Member Username: AllthingzaudioA - TOWN - WEST-END, GA USA Post Number: 103 Registered: Jul-08 | why isnt Jacob sending his night shade or the other one he offers? I thought he i seen were he said he was. Is he getting cold feet ? And when are the rest of them getting there? Is dc still sending them or are they on bs? |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 243 Registered: Apr-07 | Yes T3 has the new TSS and the older TSNS in, they moved and most things are all packaged up so they couldnt get it to me. Not to sure why Jacob didn't send a Nightshade in, my guess would be cause he keeps running out of them? but I have no clue the Z15 should do great though. DC is still in as far as I have heard but they have been really slow. As far as seeing how "discontinued" subs would compare I have a Kove Armageddon T3 and a ID SPL in the mix as well. They are just some of my extras. |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 3385 Registered: May-07 | I wonder if the ID SPL is whatone of my old school buddies were using. All I can say for sure is that he was sponsored by Image Dynamics and they sent him 2- special order 15's (at that time) he had them walled( kinda- more like a box that took up all the back) in an Eclipse Hatch and was pushing them with 4 cheater Massive amps and IIRC he was gettin ~62's+ which was a big deal considering it was in the 1990's. He owned a shop in Westlake La. and his name was Brad Anderson. Anyone know of this accomplishment or person. I've seen the pics and I know he had the hookups and shop, We went to High School together and lost contact when I moved away. He is out of Audio and still has the eclipse (stripped out) But I am curious how much of a big deal it was back then. I tried to fix up an old Criss Tech meter that he had but it was too far gone. And No, that is not the meter he was using when he got those scores. Thanks for any response. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 6714 Registered: Feb-06 | matt, want to sell the id spl? |
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Gold Member Username: Basebalz13Moneta, Va Usa Post Number: 1547 Registered: Aug-07 | i believe jacob just got in more nightshade's he has been out of stock for a while now |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 244 Registered: Apr-07 | Sounds like he was running the ID SPLs, the comp car they were in here did a 166.7 with 4 in a wall on some cheater Earthquake amps. I could sell the ID SPL, I have two. Well David talk with jacob for me, tell him to send a monster on over as well ;) |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 6715 Registered: Feb-06 | if you decide how much let me know, i may be able to afford it end of june. |
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Gold Member Username: Hittin1TEAM REVOLUTIONLake Charles... Post Number: 3391 Registered: May-07 | appx value of the used ID spl? |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 246 Registered: Apr-07 | dont really know what to ask for em, guess just shoot me offers, if youd prefer to keep it private my email is bumpinbuick at gmail.com |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 198 Registered: Mar-09 | Are you going to "test/boom" any Alpine Type R,Kicker L5/L7/CVX/Classis Solo,Rockford T1/T2,MTX 7500/8500/9500? |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 247 Registered: Apr-07 | You want to pay for em, sure but those companies dont want their products tested by me so they are not in the mix. Also Im not making all new boxes for the square subs |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rI compensate... Post Number: 9349 Registered: Jul-06 | Just make baffles then. This is a biased challenge/"review" anyhow. |
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Gold Member Username: MixmastaspigTeam RD, Canada Post Number: 2024 Registered: Sep-05 | When's this testing going down, I keep checking back with high hopes...lol |
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Gold Member Username: Basebalz13Moneta, Va Usa Post Number: 1551 Registered: Aug-07 | negative matt, id be gettin them for testing first then you can have them |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 248 Registered: Apr-07 | how is this biased? I have a World Finals judge on hand watching my testing? please elaborate? Testing has begun should be about a week or two more till all results are up |
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Silver Member Username: PoprocksPost Number: 218 Registered: Mar-09 | So who showed up?subs that is. |
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Gold Member Username: Andrew571Stillwater/Edmond, Oklahoma USA Post Number: 2308 Registered: Oct-05 | Yea let's see an updated list |
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Silver Member Username: WickedbassNashville, Tn Post Number: 634 Registered: Jan-08 |
x2 on both! |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 249 Registered: Apr-07 | As of right now, but I am still waiting on a few T3 TSNS, 2010 TSS model RD Alphamax, Sonance V2, HW Sundown Z15 Ultra is on its way Still waiting to hear from Rusty hes been really busy latley i guess, he said customers come first then this, which i respect. Testing has all ready begun but I dont have the results compiled yet so I cant post much, so far i have the TSNS and TSS, TSNS set the bar for the big subs. Pushed out a 149.8 with 6000wrms on it. TSS was only off by about .3 , these were results from the 4.5 cube box and tuned to 45 bu peak freq was 38hz suprizingly. Defiantly turned heads this weekend at the big dbdrag/USACI comp having a single 15 against all the guys with pairs of 18s in walls and taking home first. Also setting the wisconsin state record for SS 1-2 |
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Bronze Member Username: SundownzMooresville, NC USA Post Number: 20 Registered: Nov-06 | Cool stuff Matt - let me know how testing is on the Z15. |
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Bronze Member Username: A12voltman80St. paul, Mn Usa Post Number: 38 Registered: Feb-09 | send in you big subs Jacob i know you have them in stock now. I would really would like to see what they do. |
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