Eclipse for spl

 

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Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1096
Registered: Jun-07
i am just making a new thread cause the other one was getting cluttered.
i know some of you compete and have an eclipse hu.
have you ever tired a different hu with the same set up?
i know by changing hu u can gain or loose a few tenths of a db.
i know cheaper hu with 2 volt outputs are not as good for spl. so by getting the cd7200 and getting 8 volts would it win hands down?

how can i tell the best spl HU.

a guy that works at the local car audio store around my school told me that eclipse is designed to slowly take away up to 3 db "depending on the set up" the reason that you will have better sq with out over powering bass. but he read this in 1995 or 1996 and says they are still like that but he says some stupid stuff. prolly just trying to sell me something because they dont have eclipse.

i just wanted to know if any one has tried many HU with the same system on a meter and could tell any difference and if so how much.
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11021
Registered: Jun-04
The 8 volt preout is good and eclipse is good company as well. The higher voltage can help for spl but is limited to what your amps can accept voltage wise. Bottom line id go for the eclipse if there isnt any known issues because a clean 6 volts per say on a rd 3250 is good since its the max it can except and yet your deck is able to produce up to 8 giving you a very clean voltage to your amp. There is some to be gained with a little distortion but I would rather keep the signal clean and have equipment last longer.
 

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Username: Talon01

Team Revolution , Pa Usa

Post Number: 1845
Registered: Jun-07
also keep in mind the roll speed of the volume if you run a low ohm load on your amps
 

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Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1097
Registered: Jun-07
i will be running at very low ohm load.
how will the ohm load change it?
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11023
Registered: Jun-04
Hes talking if your running below the ohm load your amp can handle but if you dont have sufficient electrical/battery your amp will shut off early also depending. Wiring below ohm load cuts down box rise but sometimes you can cut box rise down too much and your amp will shut off because of it.
 

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Username: Talon01

Team Revolution , Pa Usa

Post Number: 1846
Registered: Jun-07
what amp do you have blk? also what ohm load you burping at?
 

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Username: Mixmastaspig

Team RD, Canada

Post Number: 1929
Registered: Sep-05
*Sorry to jack thrad in a way*

Basically answering the question you just typed out...

Scott, I burp at .5ohm and I shock the mic with my volume at 40/62 (5750.1) should I be concerned about damage to the amp or anything as I really DONT have sufficient electrical to support it....I'm a bad boy.

Pretty much not overly concerned with competing anymore for the next year as I'm going to go with loud daily but I just want to know what techniques are better than others as rolling the volume takes....forever.
 

Platinum Member
Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11026
Registered: Jun-04
Hope and pray you arent sending a really clipped signal because that is hard on the subs voice coils and amp.
 

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Username: Nd4spd18

Philadelphia, PA

Post Number: 9105
Registered: Jul-06
And don't cry when the equipment burns up prematurely.... as thats usually what an insufficient electrical does.
 

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Username: Mixmastaspig

Team RD, Canada

Post Number: 1930
Registered: Sep-05
Lasted the whole summer @ .5 with many, many burps :-)

I just have the big 3, one battery and a 160a alt. Head lights don't even dim until I really crank the begezes out of it, but that's just dumb right there.

Gains were set by ear and are failry generous and are not cranked by any means.
 

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Username: Cozce

St. Louis ILLsideU.S.A.

Post Number: 425
Registered: Mar-08
Eclipse HU's give me b0ners.
 

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Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1099
Registered: Jun-07
i haev a pair of rd 1750s running at .25 ohm
 

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Username: Mixmastaspig

Team RD, Canada

Post Number: 1931
Registered: Sep-05
OH YEAH

For my daily next year I've got two deep cycle Discovery RV batteries that I will be using along with a HO alt/Big 3 in whatever new vehicle I get so that should be a decent electrical set up, just have to keep the batteries topped up.
 

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11027
Registered: Jun-04
Hes answering Scott.
 

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Username: Frkkevin

Team DLSSuperNatural...

Post Number: 5986
Registered: Nov-05
i'd never run a 7200mkii for spl.. they are built for sq.. yes they have high output rcas but how many amps accept 8v.. most high end sq amps do.. but rear amps designed for shear power do..

they might accept something close.. like 7v.. but remember you key is to match it as perfect as you can so you don't end up with a dirty signal

if this is just for a basic system.. i'd suggest the cd3200 if your stuck on eclipse
 

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Username: Tatonka

-[Team Audible Insanity]-

Post Number: 2526
Registered: Mar-07
Wow lol.
I burp my two 1750.1s at .5 a piece with just a kenetic 2400. stock 110amp alt.

Keep in mind that you alt does not actually come into play on a quick burp.
 

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Username: Wfbass

Stephenville, NL Canada

Post Number: 55
Registered: Sep-08
i dont wanna interupt this thread but i just gotta quick question. my amp only has up to 4 volt for the rca's. is it ok if i get a eclipse hu that has 8v(which i plan on getting is theres no problems)?
 

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Username: Frkkevin

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Post Number: 5988
Registered: Nov-05
no its not ok.. you won't be able to set the gani properly

kinda odd your amp only accepts up to 4v? my question is why would you spend so much on a h/u and so little on an amp?
 

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Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1100
Registered: Jun-07
jack! u said if i am stuck on eclipse. i am not stuck on anything. i just want the best.
so with my 1750s what HU would u say is best? i do like the look of the eclipse and the blue tooth and all that stuff is also nice. but if i can gain a small amount of spl any other way i am all for it
 

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Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1101
Registered: Jun-07
alright so i looked up my amp. i can set the gain from .2 to 6 volts. so looks like 5 volt rcas would be perfect!
hope i looked at everything right.



KEVEN what times are good for me to call you? idk when u work or what is best. i don't want to wake u up if ur sleeping or call u at work.... but u do work at an audio place so idk
 

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Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1102
Registered: Jun-07
alright so i looked up my amp. i can set the gain from .2 to 6 volts. so looks like 5 volt rcas would be perfect!
hope i looked at everything right.



KEVEN what times are good for me to call you? idk when u work or what is best. i don't want to wake u up if ur sleeping or call u at work.... but u do work at an audio place so idk
 

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Username: Talon01

Team Revolution , Pa Usa

Post Number: 1847
Registered: Jun-07
so you are running them at a .5 strap correct. this is where you should roll the volume. it will help the amp get to peak ohm load when the box rise starts taking affect. you might be able to shock the system if you get .33 each on those amps. i have found rolling isn't as hard on the equipment. btw i dont use pioneer to slow of a roll. i now use a kenwood excel. because it has a superfast roll feature and a 5v rca out.
remember the smaller the box, the higher the box rise.
 

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Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1106
Registered: Jun-07
i dont know what rolling the volume is.
i am guessing it just turning it up during the burp so it is not full power at first.
so should i consider the kenwood excel over the eclipse?
 

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Username: Talon01

Team Revolution , Pa Usa

Post Number: 1848
Registered: Jun-07
i would.
yeap turning it up while burping. the eclipse and pioneer have a slow roll while the kenwood have a super fast roll.
my pioneer take 4sec to get full roll and the kenwood takes 1.5. it makes a diff.
 

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Username: Wfbass

Stephenville, NL Canada

Post Number: 58
Registered: Sep-08
jack, i got a fosgate T2000bd, i dunno why it only has 4v. but what would happen if i did get that hu?
 

Gold Member
Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1107
Registered: Jun-07
scott can u please explain? i am new to this roll over thing
 

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Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1108
Registered: Jun-07
scott can u please explain? i am new to this roll over thing
 

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Username: Mixmastaspig

Team RD, Canada

Post Number: 1932
Registered: Sep-05
@BEN

When you burp keep your volume low and quickly turn it up when you are burping, rather than pausing your deck and cranking it up then un pausing it.

Rolling burp get!
 

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Username: Talon01

Team Revolution , Pa Usa

Post Number: 1849
Registered: Jun-07
you got it sir ^^^
 

Gold Member
Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1109
Registered: Jun-07
ok that is what it thought.the kenwood i have now is 4 volt pre outs. .... that eclipse looks nice with that bluetooth already built it!
so how is having a slower roll bad? i would just have to burp a split sec longer
 

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Username: Redliner

Wilmington, Ma

Post Number: 4781
Registered: Jun-05
aww man i was hoping eclipse for spl ment a mitsu eclipse lol
 

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Username: Talon01

Team Revolution , Pa Usa

Post Number: 1851
Registered: Jun-07
depending on the amp and ohm load you may or may not be able to do a full power burp. in cases with low ohm loads ypu may have to roll the volume. ie my dc's at .25 i have to roll my rd's i dont because they ohm at .33 depends on imp rise and power supply.
 

Gold Member
Username: Deadrabit

Marionville, MO

Post Number: 1111
Registered: Jun-07
so could i just make a tone with goldwav that fads in faster? then i would not have to worry about turning it up my self.
 

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Username: Talon01

Team Revolution , Pa Usa

Post Number: 1852
Registered: Jun-07
that would work but at any big event like dbdrag you have to use a offical cd
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