What is a good 1000-2000rms subwoofer
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 15 Registered: Sep-08 | I want some help choosing my next system.Im currently running 12 inch audiobahn immortal at 1800rms.I want opinion only from people who know what they are talking about. |
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Gold Member Username: BonhamdPost Number: 1530 Registered: Nov-07 | are you looking for SQ, SQL, or SPL? what kind of budget are you working with? |
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Silver Member Username: QuirkySA, Texas Post Number: 338 Registered: Feb-07 | Its ironic that some of the "18 year old retards" know more than u may ever so don't be so quick to discriminate by age. What amp are you going to use? I'm assuming you have a HO alt and upgraded the big three if your running at 1800rms? |
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Platinum Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 19153 Registered: Jun-06 | FI, Rd (latest trend), SI, SS....all depends on intent. |
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Silver Member Username: CozceSt. Louis ILLsideU.S.A. Post Number: 406 Registered: Mar-08 | "I want opinion only from people who know what they are talking about not some 18 years old retards that the website is full of.Thank you."  You must have been extremely retarded when you were 18 years old then. Seriously, takes one to know one. You're a peice of shit. Grow up. But, being on topic. Look at what Paul said. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 16 Registered: Sep-08 | Well ok first of all one gold rule.Please don't abbreviate. I'm in pre med not electronic school.And english is my third language. I have 85 or 90 amp alternator with 120 amp battery.The amp i got right now is power accoustic. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 17 Registered: Sep-08 | My goal is very good sound quality as well as good spl |
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Silver Member Username: CozceSt. Louis ILLsideU.S.A. Post Number: 407 Registered: Mar-08 | Fi is Fi. SI is Stereo Integrity. RD is Revolution Design. SS is Soundsplinter. There's plenty more out there as well. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 18 Registered: Sep-08 | Are those brands of subwoofers? |
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Silver Member Username: CozceSt. Louis ILLsideU.S.A. Post Number: 409 Registered: Mar-08 | What's your budget? Also, how much power do you actually plan on running? 1000-2000 rms can make a good difference between woofers. |
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Silver Member Username: CozceSt. Louis ILLsideU.S.A. Post Number: 410 Registered: Mar-08 | www.ficaraudio.com www.stereointegrity.com www.rdaudio.net www.soundsplinter.com |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 20 Registered: Sep-08 | Well I had a 500rms system, 1200rms,and 1800 rms at the moments but i never had like decent quality. I guess 1000 rms is enough.I'm getting rid of my system because few days ago i heard a mtx thunder 9500 running at 1000rms in a friend's car. I was amazed by the quality that guy had.My budget is in 500-600$ depending on how much I get when I sell my audiobahn immortal. |
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Silver Member Username: CozceSt. Louis ILLsideU.S.A. Post Number: 411 Registered: Mar-08 | $500-600 for subs? Amp? |
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Silver Member Username: QuirkySA, Texas Post Number: 339 Registered: Feb-07 | You "had" or have 1800rms? What amp from Power Acoustik? They only have too current amps that produce 1800wrms- class A/B series 3000DB and the Demon 2400. The mtx 9500 is geared for SPL (sound pressure level) rather than sound quality. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 21 Registered: Sep-08 | I have the power acoustic and immortal in my car. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 22 Registered: Sep-08 | I have the amp and the sub in my car. |
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Silver Member Username: QuirkySA, Texas Post Number: 340 Registered: Feb-07 | Do you know what "power acoustic" you have? I'm just trying to get an idea of how much power we have 2 work with. Second, what kinda space do we have 2 work with? (could you fit a 15 with proper air airspace?) |
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Gold Member Username: Surferdude9371Get loud or go home.... Post Number: 1511 Registered: Mar-07 | sounds like you want a mix of loudness and sound quality aka sql look into the FI Bl if you want sql more toward the loudness spectrum or Q more toward the sound quality spectrum they are woofers also soundsplinter rl-s |
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Platinum Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 19155 Registered: Jun-06 | A LOT or ppl are content with a single 15" setup. Simpler design in box and amp wiring. Thanks for the links Cozce. I'm getting lazy. There are a lot of subs out there you may not have heard of that will make you eat these words: "I'm getting rid of my system because few days ago i heard a mtx thunder 9500". Underground is where its' at.  |
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Silver Member Username: QuirkySA, Texas Post Number: 341 Registered: Feb-07 | Check out the RD Audio 15" Alpha. With the right box and power it will beat our your buddy's mtx9500 any day. As P.rick said the Fi BL or even the BTL. If you have free time some other brands that haven't been mentioned are Ascendant audio, DC Sounds, DD Audio, and RE audio. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 23 Registered: Sep-08 | Okay I got the manual it's a power acoustik ps13000d and it says 1700rms at 1 ohms I have it wired at 0.8ohms.I also got very old crunch which is rated 1000rms from my first system. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 24 Registered: Sep-08 | I don't know guys but the thunder sounds way better than my audiobahn. How is this even possible? My box is pretty good i think it's 2 cubic feet ported tuned at 33 hertz. |
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Silver Member Username: QuirkySA, Texas Post Number: 342 Registered: Feb-07 | sorry to say but audiobahn is not very respected. As many put it- garbage. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 25 Registered: Sep-08 | mtx 1000rms sub sounds better than the immortal. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7105 Registered: Mar-04 | That power acoustik amp is really ~1000-1300wrms @ 1ohm. You can get MUCH better than that a-bahn crome crap. The MTX9500 is a nice woofer, but no all that for the price. What vehicle do you have? |
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Gold Member Username: Surferdude9371Get loud or go home.... Post Number: 1512 Registered: Mar-07 | i had two audiobahn aw1208t's as my first setup i wouldnt say theya are garbage they got loud just no sq are there things out there that are better surely lots better for the price but idg y people hate on audiobahn |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7106 Registered: Mar-04 | The Audiobahn immortal is not known for good quality sound at all. I have seen them launch dustcaps on just 1600wrms. (a real 1600wrms, the glue gave out). Hell, for daily sound...I would take a DD2500, RESX, MTX8500, RD Sonance, Fi Q, or about 20 other subs over the Immortal. |
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Gold Member Username: Surferdude9371Get loud or go home.... Post Number: 1513 Registered: Mar-07 | "Hell, for daily sound...I would take a DD2500, RESX, MTX8500, RD Sonance, Fi Q, or about 20 other subs over the Immortal." of course but what i have a prob with is people talking crap when they have never even heard it they just jump on the bandwagon so to speak although i know you have heard pretty much every sub out there canaan |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 26 Registered: Sep-08 | I drive a stupid ford escort 1997 wagon. Which is better 1 or 2 subs how about pioneer champione series or aplpine type x?I had alpine type r which actually blew on the cruch. The reason I use the power accoustik is because the crunch was cutting and getting very hot I guess the audiobahn is way too big for it. |
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Gold Member Username: Surferdude9371Get loud or go home.... Post Number: 1514 Registered: Mar-07 | "Which is better 1 or 2 subs how about pioneer champione series or aplpine type x?I had alpine type r which actually blew on the cruch" one 15 or 18 will be plenty take our advice and look into the companies we suggested we know what we are talking about bud i promise |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7110 Registered: Mar-04 | Sounds like you were wiring the sub to the wrong load. What voice coils does it have? Also, if you have a wagon you are in luck. Hatches are great for bass. |
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Silver Member Username: QuirkySA, Texas Post Number: 343 Registered: Feb-07 | I c what your saying P.rick, but not everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. I can say they sound like crap bc I too have first hand experience with audiobauhn. A friend of mine literally chunked a pair of 12s out of his car and threw them away after a month listening to them. Alpine's subs are alright, same with some of pioneers. However, I would advise you to take a chance and step out of main stream brands. You wont regret it. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7111 Registered: Mar-04 | IMHO...keep the acoustik ps13000d. It will be fine for budget power. From what you are saying, you just want loud. Look into an Fi BL15 w/ flatwound coils and cooling. You can get it for well within your budget. The sub will be fine on that amp, unless you don't have a clue about audio and peg the gains/bassboost. Try that sub in ~4cuft tuned to 38hz w/ ~60sq inches of port. Your buddy w/ the MTX9500 on 1000wrms will crap himself. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 27 Registered: Sep-08 | Well the immortal has 4 coils 2 ohms each.I have 2 coils wired in series.The other 2 are wired in parallel and then the 2 coils that are wired in parallel are wired to the series coils . So 4 ohms from the series coils are wired parralelly to the 1ohm from the parallel and the I get 0.8 ohms load. My father did the wiring but I im positive it's 0.8 ohm load.Anyway I want to get rid of the immortal |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaHoughton and/or Macomb, MI United States Post Number: 793 Registered: Jan-08 | So are you keeping the amp and just spending the 600 on a sub or subs? or are you going to buy a new amp and sub(s)? |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7112 Registered: Mar-04 | Oh...and btw, I havent heard EVERY sub out there. But I do know what an MTX9500 is capable of on 1000wrms. (hint-hint) |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 28 Registered: Sep-08 | Intresting I can't find any store to buy the subwoofers you mentioned. |
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Silver Member Username: DuckaHoughton and/or Macomb, MI United States Post Number: 794 Registered: Jan-08 | do what canaan suggested. Its a solid setup. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7113 Registered: Mar-04 | If that is the way you have it wired...it SHOULD be 2ohm. Not 0.8 You can get 0.5ohm, 2ohm, or 8ohm from that QVC2ohm sub. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7114 Registered: Mar-04 | you can only order the Fi BL direct from Fi. www.Ficaraudio.com The subs are built to order. You will want the DVC 2ohm. |
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Silver Member Username: QuirkySA, Texas Post Number: 344 Registered: Feb-07 | Most of the subs we are mentioning can only be bought from the manufacture. In doing this the middle man (stores like best buy) is cut out and prices are lowered for the consumers. If your looking for the Fi BL go to- www.ficaraudio.com |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 29 Registered: Sep-08 | actually you can get 0.5 ohm load 0.8 ohm load 2 ohms and 8 ohms.My father is electronic engeener I know he did it right. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 30 Registered: Sep-08 | Omg sweet I didn't realize you can buy from that website the first time. Thank you |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7115 Registered: Mar-04 | My guess is that your sub is actually wired to 0.5ohm and you checked it w/ a DMM. But, the leads to your DMM have a resistance of ~0.3ohm...and that is why you got 0.8ohm. Or, your sub has a bad coil. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 31 Registered: Sep-08 | man believe me it's wired at 0.8 ohms load.It's so simple two coils in parralel, 2 in series and that all together in parralel.My father was trying to explain that to me I didn't get it.The first time I tryed the audiobahn I had it at 0.5 ohm the crucnh didn't play.Protection. Anyway I'm getting Fi.4 coils have 4 operation loads 0.5;0.8;2 and 8.If the audiobahn website was up you could email them they will sent you link how to wire it at 0.8.Anyway thank you guys for the help. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7117 Registered: Mar-04 | lawl...you didn't get it when your dad tried to teach you, and you still don't get it. (sorry if i sound like an azz) 0.8ohm nominal w/ QVC 2ohm will not happen unless you have a bad coil. (or your speaker wire has high resistance.) All the Fi subs are DVC, not QVC. You will need the DVC 2ohm coils to get 1ohm. Well actually there Re is 1.5ohm, so you will get .75ohm...but that will be fine after resistance due to wiring and impedance after box-rise. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7118 Registered: Mar-04 | And IIRC, Audiobahn went under. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 32 Registered: Sep-08 | Canaan thank you.I know how to wire it.The resistance of the wiring actually is so small.. http://www.epanorama.net/documents/wiring/wire_resistance.html Here that will help you a bit read the section Wire Gauge Resistance per foot.And im 100% sure that my sub is wired at 0.8 ohm I couldn't believe myself so I tested it on a digital multimeter.The Multimeter has 1.1 resistence itself when wire to the subwoofer it reads 1.9ohms.I know it's very unbeliveable. Anyway bye to the immortal I will put it on eBay. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 33 Registered: Sep-08 | And I have tested each coil individualy they are 2 ohms each. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 34 Registered: Sep-08 | So simple if you wire 1 ohm speaker to a 4 ohms speaker in parralel u are going to get 0.8 ohm load. Try it! |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7119 Registered: Mar-04 | I know what you are saying man, and thats cool. But...looks like that woofer is not really QVC2ohm. Most "2ohm" coils are 1.5ohm-2ohm Re. If you are reading 0.8ohm from your DMM, you sub is actually QVC1ohm or QVC4ohm, not QVC2ohm. (actually 3.2ohm Re, or 0.8ohm Re) That is why you are getting 0.8ohm...and as far as 12v audio goes, 0.8ohm can be 'called' 1ohm. But, if you wired the sub as you discribed above (series-parralell) there is no way to get 0.8ohm Re...Unless: a) You have a QVC 1ohm sub (Re 0.8ohm). b) You have a bad coil. c) Your DMM is messed up. d) Its not wired like that. Take your pick. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7120 Registered: Mar-04 | So wait. You have 2 coils series, 2 paralell? Um yea...bad idea. I misread your earier post. Thought is was 'normal' series-paralell. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 35 Registered: Sep-08 | Okay some day wire speaker that is 1 ohm to a 4 ohm speaker in parallel.What is the impediance? Man juts forget my load who cares.Remember this 4 coils have 4 possible operations.Think of it like 4 separete subs.Wire the first 2 in parralel the last 2 in serries.Then match Positive end with positive and negative with negative weeee magic 0.8 ohms. Night |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 36 Registered: Sep-08 | The example is correct only if you use speakers with impediance of 2 ohms each. Thank you for the help. Good Night. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7121 Registered: Mar-04 | I see exactly what you are saying, I just wouldn't recommend wiring it like that. 1 pair of coils will see a higher current load than the other. That can lead to problems. The way you have yours wired is not a 'normal' way of wiring a sub. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 37 Registered: Sep-08 | Hmm you might be right. I have to rethink that |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7122 Registered: Mar-04 | Since you are selling the A-bahn, go ahead and get a good sub. Come on back and one of us here on ther forum will help you our w/ a good box design. Remember, a good box will make ALL the difference.  |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 38 Registered: Sep-08 | Should I try a good box on the aduobahn or just get rid of it. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7123 Registered: Mar-04 | What box do you have right now? A good box will make a difference, but the A-bahn is not that much to work with though. If can get reasonably loud though. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 39 Registered: Sep-08 | I got a 2 cubic feet ported |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7124 Registered: Mar-04 | Need more info... box demins? port area? port length? sub and port direction? pics? |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 40 Registered: Sep-08 | let me see if I can find it online |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 41 Registered: Sep-08 | I got it http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_7498_Sonic+Sub+Box-+1SV12.html It's possible mine to be little bit bigger I bougt it from ebay. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 42 Registered: Sep-08 | I belive this is it http://www.crutchfield.com/p_236BS112V/Bass-Slammer-BS112V.html?tp=127 |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 43 Registered: Sep-08 | It's definetly the second one. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7125 Registered: Mar-04 | Yea, build a new box. Get the measurement of the cargo area in your car and get back here. One of us will design you a better box. You can get that sub louder, but I would still suggest a new sub. |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 45 Registered: Sep-08 | Here is myspace link it's in the pics www.myspace.com/263717734 |
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Bronze Member Username: CanyoufeelthebasePittsburghUS Post Number: 46 Registered: Sep-08 | Well here is what i didn't mention before. I bough the subwoofer from ebay and I got scammed the whole surrounding was damaged so i have it replaced by a local guy.Probably the sub no longer produces the original frequncies.I'll sell it no doubt. I'm out thank you for the help. |
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