Archive through July 03, 2008
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New member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 5 Registered: Jun-08 | I just got my new car and I want to put in a bad azz system. I'm not really sure what to go for though. Do you guys have any suggestions, I was leanin towards 2 10's or 2 12's. Also what is a good amp for a cheaper price? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9717 Registered: Jun-04 | congrats....what vehicle did you get |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 149.1DBsTrinidad & T... Post Number: 13959 Registered: Jul-05 | ur max budget ? ..... |
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Silver Member Username: Hittin1Lake Charles, La. United States Post Number: 502 Registered: May-07 | budget? sealed or ported? what do you have already? H.U., wiring, rca's,ect... |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 5261 Registered: Nov-05 | sell you my two amps, nine.4 and nine.1 ... $370 shipped  but yeah, no one can suggest much without a budget |
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New member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 6 Registered: Jun-08 | id say $700 max for the subs and amp |
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New member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 7 Registered: Jun-08 | ya mark i dont know what that stuff is im new to this stuff but i got a 98 saturn 2 door and i want a bangin system that will crack the concrete |
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Gold Member Username: DrsmithMontana USA Post Number: 2619 Registered: Nov-04 | buy a sledgehammer cheaper and more efficient for breaking concrete |
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New member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 8 Registered: Jun-08 | haha |
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New member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 9 Registered: Jun-08 | ha ha i would rather play music than pull out the sledgehamer though |
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Gold Member Username: Talon01Team Revolution , Pa Usa Post Number: 1411 Registered: Jun-07 | are you willing to give up all the trunk |
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New member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 10 Registered: Jun-08 | yeah sure |
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Gold Member Username: Talon01Team Revolution , Pa Usa Post Number: 1412 Registered: Jun-07 | look at 2 12" audioque sdc2.5 and a aq 1200 amp www.audioque.com |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 11 Registered: Jun-08 | yeah thanks man I will check those out I know the audioque amp is awesome but are the subs good too? |
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Gold Member Username: Talon01Team Revolution , Pa Usa Post Number: 1413 Registered: Jun-07 | dj makes a good speaker http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc31/talon0001/?action=view¤t=S1050122. flv vid of the aq hdc |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 12 Registered: Jun-08 | yah thats pretty deadly is that your system? |
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Gold Member Username: Talon01Team Revolution , Pa Usa Post Number: 1415 Registered: Jun-07 | my old system that was in my jeep now sold to a friend in his vw scirocco. this is mine http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc31/talon0001/?action=view¤t=Picture13 0.flv |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 13 Registered: Jun-08 | thats intense, so you think i should go with the audioQ amp and subs, or is there something better? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9725 Registered: Jun-04 | well if you have a 98 saturn sl2 you have a 90 amp stock alternator and your going to need more alternator than that for two 2.5's or one hdc3 but if it was me id run one audioque hdc3 (Copper coil dual 2 ohm) subwoofer if your more concerned with spl than sq on a audioque 1200d amplifier and use the extra money left over for a ho alternator |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 14 Registered: Jun-08 | thanks for the info man |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9727 Registered: Jun-04 | yw |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 15 Registered: Jun-08 | Do you think my car would be able to handle 2 10" alpine type r's with the AQ1200? Plus I would have to upgrade my speakers right. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9733 Registered: Jun-04 | are you trying to keep from having to upgrade your alternator if so you could run one audioque sd 2 15 inch sub (the lowest line) and have more cone area than two 10's and buy a 3 channel amp to run the sub and the highs (and yes you should upgrade them) http://www.audioque.com/aq/SD2_Series.htm |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 16 Registered: Jun-08 | is the AQ1200 a 3 channel amp? |
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Silver Member Username: Hittin1Lake Charles, La. United States Post Number: 511 Registered: May-07 | no it is NOT a 3 channel amp... MONO bro! |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9737 Registered: Jun-04 | you could do a separate mono block for the sub with a two channel amp for the highs but thats usually the more expensive way to go |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 17 Registered: Jun-08 | yeh dude i dont know all i wanna do is get a good, cheaper system going as soon as possible |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 5262 Registered: Nov-05 | guess you didn't catch i was selling my nine.4 and nine.1? 65rms x 4 1200rms x 1 rated at 12volts $370 shipped for both.. not sure if you can find a better deal unless you buy some cheapo amps |
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Gold Member Username: LoudonPost Number: 2520 Registered: Jun-04 | thats a very good deal actually lol but i want the dls kev hah |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 18 Registered: Jun-08 | can you sell one of them, I only need one right |
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Silver Member Username: Hittin1Lake Charles, La. United States Post Number: 515 Registered: May-07 | not if you want a highs amp... will need to get rid of factory speakers.. X2 on kevins amps... |
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Silver Member Username: KillswitchjdPost Number: 761 Registered: Apr-06 | okay, I would start off small, get wiring in place and go from there. cd player- 100-125 sub amp- 150-200 sub- 150 box- 25 (build your own) or 40-50cheap prefab 425-525 total, then decide if you want speakers and an amp for the front, do that first. then if your have the cash rear speakers the more you spend the better quality, this is the lower lines of average to good brands estimation. then wiring, harness ect. |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 5263 Registered: Nov-05 | i here ya mike on the dls.. soon as i sell these eD amps ill take those out and in with my dls amps but on starting out small, don't.. get something your going to want for a while problem with people buying cheap stuff to get started, they soon realize they want to change it and will gradually spend more and more.. in the end you would have spent more money upgrading then doing it right the first time and getting something worth it... not to mention resale on lower end equipment is next to nothing so you won't make much back |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 19 Registered: Jun-08 | yeah i wanna get a good system right off the bat, but i'm still not sure what will be good for my 98 saturn 2 door. |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 5265 Registered: Nov-05 | my amps, 2 sets of pg comps for all 4 doors.. and just pick two 12"s that fit in the rest of your budget after you buy wire and a headunit ...as long as the subs can wire to 1 ohm and handle 1200-1400rms |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9738 Registered: Jun-04 | buying ¤Jack_k飣iñgoñ¤ amps doesnt seem like a bad deal for $370 shipped and if you bought the audioque sd 2 15 for $154 shipped that would leave you $176 for the other stuff but its up to you....dont get in a rush though thats usually when people make a bad buy |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 5267 Registered: Nov-05 | dang i just looked at your budget.. if your going to build with only $700 go to a flea market and get some refurbed kicker stuff i'd really suggest saving.. you could choose not to do components, ive done it and then i spent the money on nice components. i'll never choose not to replace the factory speakers ever again .. its night and day not to mention its just annoying when all you have is bass and can't hear any music |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9739 Registered: Jun-04 | it looks like hes also trying not to buy an upgraded alternator so im going with a setup that will still get loud but stay within his electrical limitations to run his amps and his cars basic electrical needs....one of the reasons I like your amps is because he has good power to run a audioque sd 2 15 and still has the flexibility to upgrade if he decides he wants to put a ho alternator in and sell that sub down the road for a heavier duty sub....not that I dont think the sd2 15 will get loud enough but should he want louder he's got the option ps....while your budget isnt as large as some that come on here $700 is fine you just have to design your system around your budget and limitations of your electrical system and pick your speakers around your listening tastes....a subwoofer and a pair of components can be bought along with that amplifier package on your budget....I wouldnt buy from a flea market |
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Bronze Member Username: Neptune07Grand Junction/Golden, CO Post Number: 24 Registered: Jun-08 | i'm an alpine fan myself, my system is 2 12" alpine type r's that i found a year ago for 230$ shipped (brand new) and a hifonics 1206d amp that was around $250 2 years ago shipped. system pounds but the amp has overheated a couple times in the summer. check my vids if you think about gettin type r's http://www.youtube.com/bradenn07 |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 22 Registered: Jun-08 | yeah thnaks for all the help guys, I know a lot more things about this stuff now. Still there is way to many options and I dont know what to do haha. Yeah I like those alpines |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 5268 Registered: Nov-05 | when its comes to audio the more money the more options.. your just going to have to break down and try something best thing i can suggest you do is go to your local shops and listen to different subs/components and play around with a lot of headunits.. eventually youll pick something you like then turn to the net and pick them up |
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Silver Member Username: QslimmsSwanton, Oh Usa Post Number: 152 Registered: Mar-06 | if i was you i would buy those e.d. amps in a hot second.if i had the money right now they would be mine |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 23 Registered: Jun-08 | why, are they good? |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 24 Registered: Jun-08 | k so i got an idea what I would want to do. I could buy those 2 amps from ¤Jack_k飣iñgoñ¤ and then the one sd2 15 from AQ. Then I wil get 4 new speakers. I also got a couple of decks; I got a kenwood and a pioneer, which one should I use for the system, and would my 98 saturn be able to handle this setup? |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 25 Registered: Jun-08 | If you guys got any other ideas let me know |
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Gold Member Username: 420alldaylongPost Number: 3717 Registered: Sep-06 | http://sonicelectronix.com/item_11104_Pioneer+Premier+DEH-P400UB.html http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KFX-AK4 http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=475 http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-RE-AUDIO-SE12D4-12-1200w-COMPETITION-CAR-SUBWOOFER_W0QQi temZ300235980187QQihZ020QQcategoryZ18803QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262 or http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-RE-AUDIO-SE15D4-15-1200w-COMPETITION-CAR-SUBWOOFER_W0QQi temZ300236487636QQihZ020QQcategoryZ18804QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262 Build your own box to subwoofer spec or have someone build one for you. Get some speakers maybe(Phoenix Gold)and run them off your head unit. All of the above are good products so with a good installed your 98 Saturn will sound good. |
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Bronze Member Username: Neptune07Grand Junction/Golden, CO Post Number: 30 Registered: Jun-08 | i would def choose the pioneer deck over the kenwood. the kenwood most likely will burn out in a year or year and a half |
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Silver Member Username: Hittin1Lake Charles, La. United States Post Number: 538 Registered: May-07 | what model pioneer is it? I know that i've already said it but GET KEVINS AMPS!!! you will not me dissapointed.. Whatever sub(s) you go with, enclosure and install will be as (if not more) important as the equipment you purchase... Do it right the 1st time... Will save time and $$ in the long run.. good luck |
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Bronze Member Username: Neptune07Grand Junction/Golden, CO Post Number: 32 Registered: Jun-08 | i'm hoping its a newer pioneer deck, mp3/iPod compatible? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9748 Registered: Jun-04 | ok Joey you missed that he said he has a headunit already as far as which headunit id choose it would probably be the one with the most preout voltage ....I typically dont like kenwood stuff but ive had the kenwood excelon 591x and havent had any problems....the only thing I dont care for is the lack of a motorized faceplate and the way the faceplate has to go back on when you remove it....as for pioneer I like the functions they had in the recent models but they do have grounding issues with the rca's if your not careful concerning the amplifier purchase id say get the amps Kevin has they are decent quality and Im sure he took care of them then youll have good power for the sd 2 15 and for future possible upgrades and the other amp will drive the highs well too but id do components up front (a separate tweeter and midrange) first and you might find you wont need more highs than that but if you do you can add rear fill later and yes your saturn will be able to handle the setup....check your trunks measurements to see how the 15 will fit but if it doesnt fit firing back im sure it will fit firing up ps....If you do have the 98 saturn sl2 crutchfield says you have 6.5's in the front and 6.5's in the rear but it looks like both openings could be an oversized 6.75 |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 26 Registered: Jun-08 | Thanks for all the info, I have the kenwood KDC-MP235 and the Pioneer DEH-1400. Which one of these should I use? |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 5269 Registered: Nov-05 | Honestly I'd sell both those h/us and buy a better one with higher voltage RCA outputs IMO save up till you hit $1000 at least and go from there. If you want to do it right the first time it will cost but pay for itself since you won't have to upgrade any time soon. I do have another nine.1 I bought blown for $50, you could have it for the same price. Not sure on cost of repair. No matter what amp you get I'd suggest you get strappable amps so you can easily upgrade for more power when you decide to.  |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 27 Registered: Jun-08 | is that your nine 1 and nine 4 that your selling? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9758 Registered: Jun-04 | yw....well they both have 2 volt preouts but the one limiting factor of both of them is they only have one set of rca preouts and thats a problem running two amps with different intended uses....you need an headunit that has three sets of preouts if your going to run four channels for your highs and a mono amp for your sub |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9759 Registered: Jun-04 | well as far as selling the two headunits to buy one good one id do that and get one with three rca preouts with at least a 4 volt rating but as far as buying a amp that has a strapping ability id only make that a must have if you plan on competing because for daily use I cant see that being reasonable with the vehicle he has and the ho alternator size limit he will probably have |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 5270 Registered: Nov-05 | idk, unless you abuse your equipment your fine.. i've ran two RE 35.1s on a stock electrical, 90amp alt and two yellowtops |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 28 Registered: Jun-08 | I think I'm going to go with one 15" sub and an amp that will be able to handle it. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9761 Registered: Jun-04 | "idk, unless you abuse your equipment your fine.. i've ran two RE 35.1s on a stock electrical, 90amp alt and two yellowtops" I see....it all depends if he gets extreme later |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 5271 Registered: Nov-05 | you should go with a 15" that will handle the power from the amp, not the other way around :P |
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Silver Member Username: Hittin1Lake Charles, La. United States Post Number: 553 Registered: May-07 | true^^ |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9765 Registered: Jun-04 | "you should go with a 15" that will handle the power from the amp, not the other way around :P" Theres always a comedian  |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 29 Registered: Jun-08 | AQ1200 and AQ sd215? sound good? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9770 Registered: Jun-04 | that sounds good just set your gain conservative with a digital multimeter and youll be fine....check those demensions of your trunk to see how you can put that 15 in....if not firing back then firing up |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 30 Registered: Jun-08 | ok cool what will setting my gain conservative do and why do I need to do that? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9778 Registered: Jun-04 | setting it conservative will give the sub the right power without damaging it and give it cleaner power at the same time because you wont be using the amps max potential at that ohm load....(you would set the gain using a digital multimeter which should be done when setting any amplifier) |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 31 Registered: Jun-08 | k awesome thanks man, so you think this setup will be good? or is there better opportunites |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9779 Registered: Jun-04 | I think that will be good for the sub setup |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 32 Registered: Jun-08 | will the one 15 get really loud? whats that compare too, 2 10's? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9782 Registered: Jun-04 | that one 15 should get louder than two 10's it has more cone area |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 33 Registered: Jun-08 | cool, so I was reading a forum and Yanks Fan said hes got a Profile AP600, would I be able to get that instead of the AQ to save some money or would everything sound better with the AQ? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9785 Registered: Jun-04 | profile amps are not very good id buy the audioque amp for a quality amp that you will get a warranty and great customer service....you dont need an amp that big but it gives you an opportunity to upgrade later if you decide to put a ho alternator in and a more powerful sub without having to buy a new amp |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 34 Registered: Jun-08 | yeah that makes sense, and do you think the pg speakers will be good? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9786 Registered: Jun-04 | ive heard the 6.5 components they arent bad but let me see if this other brand is still on sale |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9787 Registered: Jun-04 | yup they are and they are better than the phoenix golds but I just found out you have 6.75 mounting spots in the door but you should be able to make them fit with a adaptor http://cgi.ebay.com/CDT-Audio-CL-S60A-TW-25-6-5-2-Way-Component-Speakers_W0QQite mZ110267014650QQihZ001QQcategoryZ32819QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 35 Registered: Jun-08 | sounds good |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 36 Registered: Jun-08 | will I be gettin some good sound quality and bass with the 15? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9788 Registered: Jun-04 | sq wise those components will be nice and bass wise youll do well im sure with that 15 all you need now is an amp for the components |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 37 Registered: Jun-08 | Yeah I guess I would need another one right cause the AQ is mono, what could I get for that, more on the cheaper side but still good |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9789 Registered: Jun-04 | id use something like this http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=16926 |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9791 Registered: Jun-04 | but dont forget with an amp for components you need a headunit with more than one rca preout |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 38 Registered: Jun-08 | yeah man that sucks this is getting expensive, but thanks for all the help dude |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9792 Registered: Jun-04 | we could set things up off the headunit you have if you want |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 39 Registered: Jun-08 | ok yeah |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9793 Registered: Jun-04 | ok go a set of these in the front doors and a set of them in the back doors and that should work well off your headunit and the run the sub amp off the rca output on the headunit order the speakers from here its a good price and they have excellent customer service iv dealt with them before http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=400&i=500SPS17C2&tp=105& tab=review we could scale down the amplifier for the subwoofer and save you some money too you would also need an amp kit to wire it up |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 40 Registered: Jun-08 | Nice speakers i'll get those for sure, yeah that would be good too, but I do like the AQ, but what you got in mind |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 41 Registered: Jun-08 | yeah I'll get the amp kit |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9794 Registered: Jun-04 | well I hate to spend the extra money but it looks like theres nothing of decent quality that gives a good price cut and a warranty so the audioque 1200d will work but were only going to be using 400 watts tops out of this amp and it seems like a waste but its up to you....it would have you prepared for upgrades should you decide to do it in the future audioque is showing 249 shipped from what I see when I put it in the shopping cart |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 42 Registered: Jun-08 | yeah would there be a way to get more out of the amp with different subs, or would that mean i would have to upgrade the alternator or something |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9795 Registered: Jun-04 | yeah im trying to make sure you dont have issues with your stock charging and im positive 400 watts would be safe even at idle with your vehicles electrical needs and the little bit of power for your highs we could step up to a higher level sub and get more power or we could do two sd2 10's or 12's depending on the room you have and you would just have to watch it at idle |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 43 Registered: Jun-08 | yeah whatever $250 shipped aint that bad plus leaves the door open for changes |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9796 Registered: Jun-04 | ok heres what I think go with the audioque sdc 2.5 15 if you want louder for the least amount of money investment and then youll have to watch it at idle that sub would be 184 dollars shipped....we could set the amp to 600 watts at 2 ohms bridged |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 44 Registered: Jun-08 | Yeah I think I will get the one 15, the amp and the 4 speakers that you suggested. Then I'll save up get an HO alt, then an amp for the highs, and another 15. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9797 Registered: Jun-04 | which sub the audioque sd 2 or the sd 2.5....youll need a new headunit also if you add an amp to the highs because yours only has one rca preout |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 45 Registered: Jun-08 | which ones better? And yeah I will for sure buy a new headunit soon. Also should I buy new wires for this? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9800 Registered: Jun-04 | the 2.5 will provide more output and we could back it off to 500 watts and the alternator should keep up even at idle....the only time you might have light dimming is at night with the lights are on at idle but you would just turn the volume down some and you would be fine....you wont need new wiring for the highs unless you add an amp to them but you will want to get a quality amp kit of at least 2 gauge preferably zero gauge if you can afford it....then youll be set down the road if you run the amp at 1 ohm |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 46 Registered: Jun-08 | Alright so for now I'm going to go with the AQ amp, the one sd2 15, and the 4 alpine speakers plus the wiring at zero or 2 gauge. Then upgrade with the sd2.5 l8er with the new alt |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 47 Registered: Jun-08 | I mean now I will go with the sd2.5 not the sd2 |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 9801 Registered: Jun-04 | ok |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 5275 Registered: Nov-05 | btw, do you have an alarm |
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Bronze Member Username: Ballinhigh11Post Number: 48 Registered: Jun-08 | haha no |
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