if anybody wants a budget amp,suggest the ab series,from power accoustik,may fall 100 watts or possibly a lil more short of rated power but,they dont have a bad build,and every person ive talked to with them is not disapointed,i posted up here about that thread a couple days ago,if ur interested get one and bench it,the ground pounders could suprise you,it seems the spl folks that are really up there suggest the offbrands,one i know claims to been in the world champs in the db drag 2 years in a row,and suggest cheaper brands,like somebody says on a different thread THE AMP IS NOT WHAT IS IMPORTANT ITS THE INSTALL THAT IS,and the guts on that link dont make the amp look like its junk,SOMEBODY BENCH ONE