Saz 1500d question
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Silver Member Username: Mj23dynastySome where 12 wangin o..., The Mighty J... USA Post Number: 637 Registered: Oct-07 | Do these amps have the circuitry protection I think its called. Where it protects your amp from some of the clipping if your amp does clip it gives you "soft clipping" I was reading about it on 12 volt.com any1 know what I'm tlking about if so does the saz 1500d have it? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7227 Registered: Feb-06 | im pretty sure has short speakers protection and thermal protection. the clipping think is just somevisual guide but the only ones who have them are higher end amps |
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Silver Member Username: CblazeRock island, Tenesssee Us Post Number: 647 Registered: Sep-07 | ^^^ what he said im pretty sure |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana 2 DD3515s, 2... Post Number: 5648 Registered: Mar-04 | I think the SAZ1500 only has protection from over heating. So, it you drive it too hard and it heats up...it will shut down. As far as a clip-protection or clip-light, I dont think so. But DD amps have em. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7230 Registered: Feb-06 | higher end protections circuits are expensive, and underground manufacturers amps to have them are rare liek the kicker amps that have srot something liek that it protects you from 5 diferent things because kicker is a qorld manufacturer and has more probabilities the product will be on hands of a noob. sundownz are great amps but i think they are alil overpriced instead of the 1500d u can get a hifoncis bxi2006d for alot less and sitll get 300-200 watts extra free of charge and their sound are really clear and tehy have more protection if ur looking for that extra safe thing, the only thing that the sundown has in advantage is going more than 1 ohm but even if u run it at 0.5 ohms it will give the power as teh bxi2006d at 1 ohm and still u will be risking your sundown amp. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5477 Registered: Feb-06 | so you think at .5ohm the saz1500d will do the same power as the bxi2006d? off same charging system and everything? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7232 Registered: Feb-06 | 0.5 ohms teh sundownz got benched to do around 1700 rms by sundownz with good charging no voltage drops and the 2006d will give you atleast 1800 rms at 1 ohm |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Northwest PA Post Number: 4447 Registered: Jul-06 | That sundown amp is known to run run .5 ohm daily with no problems at all. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5487 Registered: Feb-06 | i've read many people benching their 1500ds' doing more than 1600wrms @ 1ohm, so i'm pretty sure at .5ohm it'll do more than that hifonics. and if you're referring to that one thread on the ssa forum on the power testing rob, it does say thier was a voltage drop. if you're referring to the same post (almost sure you are). |
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Silver Member Username: CblazeRock island, Tenesssee Us Post Number: 659 Registered: Sep-07 | ive read almost 1700 watts |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7234 Registered: Feb-06 | hahah ok/// at sundownz they benched their own amps with low voltage and another with no voltage drop. the sundownz dont give the pwoer like that especific model of hifonics maybe at 0.25 ohms ill beilve you.. so ctmike ur telling me that the power testing from sundownz are not correct and teh rumors u heard from people who own those amps and try to look really smart and say they benched the amp and those people are smarter than than sundownz?? and one more thing why did sundownz dropped their 0.5 ohms warranty ummmmmmmmmmm.... |
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Silver Member Username: CblazeRock island, Tenesssee Us Post Number: 661 Registered: Sep-07 | ppl werent using a good enough charging system |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7235 Registered: Feb-06 | ohh ok if u said its cool thats your point of view and i respect that. anyway believe me or not im cool with it jejej... and if u dont call me a noob i dont care |
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Gold Member Username: HdubbTeam Revolution Post Number: 3105 Registered: Nov-04 | i think the sundown will do well over2k at .5 ohms and i know the hifonics wont last longat.5 and probably wouldnt see toomuch of a gain from 1 to .5ohms its odd because ive sen the test where the 1500 has done over 1700-1800 watts easy a 1 ohm. it will do 1600 at 10.75 volts if thats what you mean. also the hifonics amp is rated at 14.4 volts so at 10.75 im sure it maybe does 1200-1300. sundown over hifoncs anyday. and that sir is where i stand. |
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Silver Member Username: CblazeRock island, Tenesssee Us Post Number: 663 Registered: Sep-07 | lol ^^^ thats what the ppl from sundown claim |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7238 Registered: Feb-06 | ppl from sundownz?? u eman customers who buy them or sundownz itself? |
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Silver Member Username: CblazeRock island, Tenesssee Us Post Number: 664 Registered: Sep-07 | ^^^^agree with hunter,hifonics is not worth it imo anyways |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7239 Registered: Feb-06 | 1 amp, single 1000ca everstart maxx, factory alt 4 ohm nominal = 518 watts @ 88% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 14.0v) 2 ohm nominal = 948 watts @ 85% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 13.6v) 1 ohm nominal = 1510 watts @ 78% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 12.4 volts .5 ohm nominal = 1615 watts @ 72% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 11.8v) .35 ohm nominal = 1748 watts @ 67% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 11.4v) amplifier was protection happy @ .35 with tones, and some music. IMO.. one 1500d should be limited to 1 ohm nominal use in factory electrical systems.. for the sake of the car.. not the amp now... to have fun with some juice.. 1 amp, single 1000ca everstart maxx, 1 Eagle Picher 12a5000, factory alt 4 ohm nominal = 520 watts @ 88% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 14.1v) 2 ohm nominal = 960 watts @ 84% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 13.7v) 1 ohm nominal = 1635 watts @ 75% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 12.8 volts .5 ohm nominal = 1890 watts @ 71% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 12.8v) .35 ohm nominal = 2245 watts @ 65% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 12.8v) the sundownz amp can be aroudn teh output of the 2006d int eh 0.5 ohms zone and lower and with hell of a good charging and it will keep up witht he 06d |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5488 Registered: Feb-06 | the only reason jacob dropped .5ohm warranty was because of to many returned amps that were fried due to user error. he even said so himself. he also said that the amps are still, and always were, capable of running daily at .5ohm, only he wont warranty them simply due to people not knowing what they are doing and ruining themselves. no fault of the amps at all, all user error is what caused him to drop the warranty. and it's not all rumors i've heard of them being benched. yes, many people are stating their amps have benched more than 1500w @ 1ohm. my brothers amp benched over 1650 (can't remember exact #) at 1ohm. so yes, i will believe they do more than rated 1500w. and if you are referring to the same post on thier forum that's stickied, you can see the test was from a customer, not jacob. and he clearly states their was a voltage drop. and if they can't do more than rated power, how do you explain the power testing of a pair of them strapped and them doing more than 4700w @ 16v i think it was? so even with voltage drop down to 14.4v, it'll still do more than 1500w, probably closer to 1700w. and even the 1000d, which jacob even says isn't built to be the power house amp that the saz series are, he even benched that amp at slightly over 1100wrms. and i agree, i'd take a sundown over a hifonics. the only reason you say differently imo is that you own hifonics. |
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Silver Member Username: CblazeRock island, Tenesssee Us Post Number: 667 Registered: Sep-07 | if i could afford it i would buy another sx 15 buy a saz 1500 and a ho alt and a new vehicle to put all this in and be done with it |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7240 Registered: Feb-06 | I KNOW UR SPEAKING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IM PRETTY SURE YOU OWN SOME BUT STILL I RESPECT THAT. I NEVER SAID THAT THE AMPS WERE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING 0.5 OHMS I, I KNOW THEY CAN DO 0.35 OHMS TOO SO DONT TRY TO PROVE TO ME SOMETHING I ALREADY KNOW. IS BECAUSE I SEE PEOPLE TELLIGN OH MAN I SEEN BENCHED THOSE AMP 2K RMS AT 0.75 OR 1 OHM AND I MEAN I KNOW THEIR GOOD AMPS BUT THATS JUST TOO MUCH. IM NOT COMPARING BURPS. OR NOTHING WE ARE TALKING RATINGS NOT ABUSSIVE RATINGS, WE ARE TALKIGN RATINGS AT 14.4 VOLTS AND 1 OHM EVEN THO U SAID THAT THEY DROP REALLY LOW IT WOULDNT MATTER BECAUSE ULL NEED ONE HELL OF A CHARGING SYSTEM TO BACK IT UP JUST TO GAIN 100-200 WATTS I MEAN DROPPING FROM 1 OHM TO 0.5 ON THE SUNDOWNZ U ALMOST LOSE 5% OF EFFICIENCY. AND GUESS WHAT EVERY TIME U GO LOWER THD OR THE HARMONIC DISTORTION INCREASE. ITS BETTER TO HAVE AN AMP TO PUSH THE RATED POWER AT 1 OHM THAN THE OTHER ONE PUSHIGN SAME POWER AT 0.5 OHMS LESS STRAIN ON THE AMP, BETTER EFFICIENCY AND WARMER SOUND, BUT I SITLL THINK SUNDOWNZ ARE LIL PRICY BUT IM NTO SAYING THEIR NOT GOOD IM JUST SAYING ITS ALIL PRICY AND FOR THAT PRICE OF THAT AMP U CAN GET SOMETHING ELSE AND CAN GIVE YOU BETTER RESULTS BUT IF UR LOOKIGN FOR FLEXIBILITY THE SUNDOWNZ GOT MY VOTE( STRAPPING, EASY CHANGE OF OHM LOADS ETC..) |
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Silver Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 906 Registered: Mar-07 | i got mine for 323 brand new. and so did phil |
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Silver Member Username: Philly306BUILT NOT BOUGHT, North carolina Post Number: 607 Registered: Apr-07 | lil rob dont ever compare the efficiency of a sundown to a hifonics saz1500d > 2006d anyday |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7241 Registered: Feb-06 | ahah alright bro if u said so |
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Silver Member Username: Philly306BUILT NOT BOUGHT, North carolina Post Number: 608 Registered: Apr-07 | yes i do say so and you'd be stupid to think otherwise |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7242 Registered: Feb-06 | hahaaha i think your the stupid one by trying to change the "point of view" of another person to meet your interests when you understand then we'll talk |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5492 Registered: Feb-06 | j/w rob, but if you had to choose either the hifonics or sundown to have as your sub amp (@1ohm usage), you'd take the hifonics? |
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Silver Member Username: Philly306BUILT NOT BOUGHT, North carolina Post Number: 609 Registered: Apr-07 | "hahaaha i think your the stupid one by trying to change the "point of view" of another person to meet your interests when you understand then we'll talk" Learn English then we'll talk. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7243 Registered: Feb-06 | i will man im still learning.. and you keep researching your info and resources. |
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Silver Member Username: CblazeRock island, Tenesssee Us Post Number: 673 Registered: Sep-07 | "i got mine for 323 brand new. and so did phil" where?????? |
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Silver Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 908 Registered: Mar-07 | ca.com |
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Bronze Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI United States Post Number: 53 Registered: Oct-07 | steve. your amp is a piece. haha jk |
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Silver Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 909 Registered: Mar-07 | eff u |
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Bronze Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI United States Post Number: 55 Registered: Oct-07 | settle man. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana 2 DD3515s, 2... Post Number: 5651 Registered: Mar-04 | I will tell you this, after seeing the Sundown 1000d's...I would take the saz1500D over the 2006d for daily ANYDAY. Dam nice amps at a good price. PERIOD. It seems that everyone here on the forums is stuck on super low prices, well you know what...those Ebay prices kill brick and mortar stores. Yes, you can buy online and save alil cash, but if it were not for brick and mortar shops the 12V industry would be DEAD. So yea, go ahead a buy your Egay sub/amps/high/mids...you are killing the hobby you love. I know some shops are high, but they have to up prices due to increase in online sales. Hell, egay store sell at cost + ship (alot of them are distributors that whor3 out the brands). So, brands dealer only brands (and MAP pricing brands) are the best way to go to help the 12V community. If not those then online only companies like SS and Fi. At least they contribute to the 12V community. Ebay = distruction of every mom-n-pop store on earth You just THOUGHT WalMart was bad  /rant (cliff-notes: get the SAZ1500D) |
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Silver Member Username: Mj23dynastySome where 12 wangin o..., The Mighty J... USA Post Number: 680 Registered: Oct-07 | Man times are changing you to go with the flow the brick n mortar store error is on its way out give it about 10-15 years and brick in mortar stores will prbably be far and few in between for stuff like car audio and non neccesity items. Thats exactly why im working on a degree in E-Bussiness and management. |
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Silver Member Username: Mj23dynastySome where 12 wangin o..., The Mighty J... USA Post Number: 681 Registered: Oct-07 | Man times are changing you to go with the flow the brick n mortar store era is on its way out give it about 10-15 years and brick in mortar stores will prbably be far and few in between for stuff like car audio and non neccesity items. Thats exactly why im working on a degree in E-Bussiness and management. |
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Silver Member Username: Mj23dynastySome where 12 wangin o..., The Mighty J... USA Post Number: 682 Registered: Oct-07 | i got 1 alredii i was jsut curious the amp is big and heavy as hel1 lol |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5498 Registered: Feb-06 | keep it and don't ever listen to anyone that says a hifonics 2006 is better or will do more power. |
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Silver Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 912 Registered: Mar-07 |  |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7245 Registered: Feb-06 | hahahah if you want to compare the price of the sundownz 1500d to another hifoncis of the same range. check the bxi2607d nothing like the current lines. haha u suckas |
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Silver Member Username: Mj23dynastySome where 12 wangin o..., The Mighty J... USA Post Number: 689 Registered: Oct-07 | i was actually planning on getting tht amp but didnt feel like doing all the electrical upgrades tht 2607d is a nice amp |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5505 Registered: Feb-06 | yeah, online the hifonics bxi2006 goes for around $330-350 shipped. sundown saz1500, about $450 shipped. better build quality (when's the last time you read about a 1500d going bad compared to the threads posted about hifonics), better customer service (can call-pm jacob whenever and he's always willing to chat), at the least the same power, better warranty, better resale value. yeah, i'd pay the extra for the sundown. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7246 Registered: Feb-06 | if u comparing products of price and what you will expect th e bxi2607d is 450 the sundownz 1500d too. the sundowz u get good build quality, strapable mode. and with the bxi2607d u get all that too but guess what???? 2500 rms at 1 ohm and if you say that specific model is Cr@p i bet my @ss u never try it, owned, hear it etc.. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5507 Registered: Feb-06 | i'm comparing products of equal/almost equal power. seeing how the 2006 and 1500d are about equal with power output, that's the 2 i'm comparing. but since you're comparing amps around the 2500wrms range (which sundown doesn't make. 3000d is a little more), why not compare the 2607 and say a kicker 2500. which would you take given price was the same? and between the 2006 and saz1500d, again price being the same, which would you choose? not saying hifonics is complete junk, but did own one and there nothing to brag about. great budget amp but that's where i place them, as many others would also. imo i'd rather save a bit more and get something better. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7247 Registered: Feb-06 | my friend u took that to another level read my first post. better yet i will retype it for you well paste since im not going to type it all over again. "sundownz are great amps but i think they are alil overpriced instead of the 1500d u can get a hifoncis bxi2006d for alot less and sitll get 300-200 watts extra free of charge and their sound are really clear and tehy have more protection if ur looking for that extra safe thing, the only thing that the sundown has in advantage is going more than 1 ohm but even if u run it at 0.5 ohms it will give the power as teh bxi2006d at 1 ohm and still u will be risking your sundown amp my main point is that they are alil bit overpriced for the features that it has or the power it produce. and another |
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Gold Member Username: 04redmach1Columbus, GA USA Post Number: 1455 Registered: Mar-06 | The .5 ohm warranty was dropped because some dealers were killing amps and not knowing what they were doing. We have a few guys running these amps at .25 daily. The amps wil take what you give them as long as you have a good power supply. The Sundowns do have a better build quality than Hifonics. I have seen tons of issues witht he Hifonics this year. Grab a Sundown with a 2 year warranty (that you will never use) and be happy Kevin |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7248 Registered: Feb-06 | oh yeah??? i bought 4 bxi2006ds and never failed me even at 0.75 ohms but but then i had to upgrade jejej so i sold 3 and i got one left so now im running 1 zx2500.1 daily driving and i have 4 kx2500.1s on my closet waiting for a sub to kill |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTeam Revolution, Texas Post Number: 1098 Registered: Mar-07 | STOP TYPING JEJEJE, it's not cool, and it won't catch on |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7249 Registered: Feb-06 | im not trying to catch it stop being lil b1tch then ill stop. jeje |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTeam Revolution, Texas Post Number: 1099 Registered: Mar-07 | that post made no sense. dumb@ss. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7250 Registered: Feb-06 | dont read it stupid. |
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Silver Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 917 Registered: Mar-07 |  |
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Silver Member Username: Philly306BUILT NOT BOUGHT, North carolina Post Number: 618 Registered: Apr-07 | there's no point in argueing with him. he will never change his mind. just let him think that way |
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Silver Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 918 Registered: Mar-07 | haha phil. your in school and im not. snow day ftw |
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Gold Member Username: Sinful_systems7015 INCH WANG... Post Number: 1002 Registered: Nov-06 | Sundown is far superior to Hifonics.... Sundown > Hifonics..... Sundown is way more efficient and powerful.... SUNDOWN FTW!!!!!!! JMO  |
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Gold Member Username: 04redmach1Columbus, GA USA Post Number: 1461 Registered: Mar-06 | You must have had like a 3 ohm box rise hehe. Kevin |
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Gold Member Username: HdubbTeam Revolution Post Number: 3137 Registered: Nov-04 | lmao |
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