Fi or RD?
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Silver Member Username: MercsableKalamazoo, MI USA Post Number: 153 Registered: Apr-06 | As I was looking for for a BL or BTL, a guy on this forum tried to convince me that I should get an RD alpha instead? Im started to go in that direction, but I am wonder what other people think is the better choice? |
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Silver Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 994 Registered: Mar-06 | how many watts are you running? |
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Bronze Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 31 Registered: Apr-07 | BLs are crazy sick, i would say stick with your first gut intsinct but its ur money. |
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Silver Member Username: JtownPost Number: 240 Registered: Mar-07 | I've had both, I would say RD |
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Silver Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 997 Registered: Mar-06 | 1700wrms and below--- FI BL 1700w-2300w--- RD Alpha 2300w+ --- FI BTL FI wins in price though- for 15" models: FI BL- 280 shipped, 350 with neccesary options RD ALpha- 420$ FI BTL- 380 |
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Silver Member Username: JtownPost Number: 242 Registered: Mar-07 | quality: RD>Fi |
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Silver Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 998 Registered: Mar-06 | how so? i haven't heard of anyone having major problems with FI. the only problem is some tinsel slap which is usually a result of misuse. i.e. playing loud below tuning frequency. even if there is a problem it can easily be fixed. |
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Silver Member Username: TatonkaPost Number: 774 Registered: Mar-07 | "the only problem is some tinsel slap which is usually a result of misuse" Tinsel slap is not always caused by miss-use. I know plenty of people that ran reccomended RMS, reccomended enclosures, and solid clean power, and still developed tinsel slap. I am one of them. My opinion, go RD. |
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Gold Member Username: 420alldaylongPost Number: 2512 Registered: Sep-06 | I have never seen any problems/Tinsel slap with Fi subs(personally) but I am starting to here more and more problems something to think about. |
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Silver Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 999 Registered: Mar-06 | never had a problem here on either my friends Q or my 2 ssd's |
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Silver Member Username: JtownPost Number: 243 Registered: Mar-07 | I've been hearing of alot more problems lately, not just tinsel slap. In my experience, I ran recommended rms, recommended enclosure; although I didn't get any tinsel slap in the 1 hour or so that I used the speaker, it did ultimately stop working completely. Long story short it sounded good the first ~30 min I used it. Turned the vehicle back on and the sub just never sounded the same. I swapped out everything before determining I had to send it back and before ordering a new sub i.e. wiring, HUs, amps. Before I put the new speaker in, I tested the Fi on a 1 ohm load then a 4 ohm load, both had the same result: no sound/movement. |
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Silver Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 1000 Registered: Mar-06 | " tested the Fi on a 1 ohm load then a 4 ohm load, both had the same result: no sound/movement." shouldn't matter. if it had no sound or movement it is probably not the speaker. if it was blown it would still make sound. the only thing i can think of is if one of the voice coils is not hooked up or the terminals broke off or something. |
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Silver Member Username: JtownPost Number: 244 Registered: Mar-07 | well whatever the problem is, "it" is the speaker, seeing as how I have a V1 in its place, same amp, same HU, same wiring, and there is a lot of sound coming out of it. BTW what part of CO do you live in? |
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Gold Member Username: Trey4sportsPost Number: 1660 Registered: Sep-06 | RD>Fi evan did a drop in from a 12" btl on 4K to a 12" alpha V1 on half the power, and only lost 1.4DB |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 9464 Registered: Jun-06 | FI has always been the best value. I ran a Mag and a Q with very close results. Very different price tags as well. And it always takes awhile for ppl to discover flaws in design/performance. They will find flaws in RD as well someday. It's part of evolution. From what I've seen more ppl have raved about FI than complained. Seems tho that they may already be due for a new line dare I say? |
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Gold Member Username: Trey4sportsPost Number: 1664 Registered: Sep-06 | i agree fi is a very good brand. and yes there will be flaws found in most drivers not seen in the beginning (DD's 4 spoke basket) *laughs* |
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Silver Member Username: JtownPost Number: 251 Registered: Mar-07 | Until my sub is repaired, I won't comment on flaws and how the company goes about correcting the flaw(s) |
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Gold Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 1001 Registered: Mar-06 | i live in steamboat springs Thieves. where do you live? |
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Gold Member Username: Nyyfan13Fi SSD USA Post Number: 5868 Registered: Jul-06 | no tinsel slap here.... |
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Gold Member Username: Skibum12189Cleveland Post Number: 1472 Registered: Mar-06 | IMO Fi subs are wayyy better looking than RD subs and we all know thats what counts..... i had 2 12" ssd's off a kicker zx1500 and never had any tinsel slap....never had any problems at all for that matter.... |
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Silver Member Username: JtownPost Number: 255 Registered: Mar-07 | I used to live up in Fort Collins up until this past july...that was g@y I had no tinsel slap, but then again for some reason my sub didn't last long enough for me to hear any...it slowly just died. IMO, RD, at least the lower models/older models look better than Fi. I like the RD logo on the speaker, as well as the color. |
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Gold Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 1003 Registered: Mar-06 | did you ever get a nice whiff of Greely on a windy day... lol. i had a friend that went to poudre high school, his name his Richie Keith. another friend that goes to fort collins high, Beau Rice. have you heard of them? |
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Silver Member Username: JtownPost Number: 258 Registered: Mar-07 | Ahhh, the Greeley winds, I definitely remember those. Especially since we didn't have AC so we had to leave the windows open at night to keep everything cool, and then came the Greeley winds.lol Beau maybe, but not Richie Rich |
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Gold Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 1004 Registered: Mar-06 | it is definately a unique smell. that of rotting flesh and thousands of pounds of piss and Schit |
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Silver Member Username: JtownPost Number: 260 Registered: Mar-07 | you ever driven through greeley? You notice all the dust? its not dust....lol....they burn the blood on like wednesdays or something, the "dust" is like blood ash. |
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Gold Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 1005 Registered: Mar-06 | i spent 6 days there about 2 weeks ago. i did notice one day it was really bad... you mean there is blood ash floating around? how is that legal? |
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Silver Member Username: MercsableKalamazoo, MI USA Post Number: 155 Registered: Apr-06 | Again I ask...what does it mean to play it below tuning?? no one will answer me. Is it that stupid of a question that no one will answer it? |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1209 Registered: Nov-06 | you play 10 hz tones on a sub that can only safely go down to 20 hz |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Post Number: 6654 Registered: Feb-06 | is this thread for real??? fi anyday |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1211 Registered: Nov-06 | you play 10 hz tones on a sub that can only safely go down to 20 hz |
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, 9515 thumpin... What u bumpin? Post Number: 3442 Registered: Mar-06 | PLaying a sub at lower tuning then what its made for makes the sub get to much excursion and thermal temperatures get higher since its not moving fast enough to keep it cooled. |
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, 9515 thumpin... What u bumpin? Post Number: 3443 Registered: Mar-06 | If you looking for a SQL sub ive heard the RD ALpha is better but ive also heard the BL (SPL oriented) is better then the Q (SQL Oriented) so if money isnt the problem id say Aplha... i havnt messed with either tho. |
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Silver Member Username: JtownPost Number: 261 Registered: Mar-07 | I don't know if it's legal, but I know that's what the deal is. And the main reason we got the Greeley winds in FoCo is cause of that d@mn train, it brings and drops off manure amongst other things, all day, every d@mn day. I really really like the Alpha I have, I've been thinking about getting another, but don't have the money or charging system for it. But seriously contact Steve Miller, I'm sure he will work with you to get the best price. Or even Kevin Holden. |
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Silver Member Username: MercsableKalamazoo, MI USA Post Number: 156 Registered: Apr-06 | Does the tuning of the box have anything to do with over excursion of the sub? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Post Number: 6656 Registered: Feb-06 | yes........... alil but yes........ |
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Gold Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 1008 Registered: Mar-06 | if your box is tuned to 35hz then playing things 30 hz and below will over excurt the sub |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Post Number: 6657 Registered: Feb-06 | IT will make the box act like it was in free air |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 427 Registered: Nov-06 | Look towards the BTL or the BL, and option it up to your liking and install. Very few in the industry give you the choice of what you want your driver to be comprised of, and it is built to order. Not to mention if you are super worried about the tinsel leads, go with the BL and get the extreme leads option. |
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Gold Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 1045 Registered: Feb-06 | craig RR, if you want to talk to me about it Showridesnet is my aim screename. I am an RD Audio dealer, so I can help answer any questions you may have regarding RD. Also, feel free to ask some people over at ROE, or Car Audio Forum what they think of FI subs. Plenty of people use them at both those forums, and a lot more people there have expieriance I believe than people on Ecoustics. Even though there are a few on here with FI subs. And the guys at ROE have a LOT of expieriance with RD, not to mention there is a guy on there now that just switched his BTL out for an Alpha. So I am sure he could give you some good information as well. |
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Gold Member Username: Theweasel2 12 FI SSD, Colorado U.S. of A Post Number: 1010 Registered: Mar-06 | showrides and denim battle it out for... The Ultimate Marketing Competition!}}} |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 428 Registered: Nov-06 | ryan, this is not Marketing, just plain facts. I don't make a penny when a BTL or BL is sold. |
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Gold Member Username: DrivingrecklessDD 9515f, 148.2 db Mov... Post Number: 4036 Registered: Apr-06 | showrides sell RD so of course hes gunna recommend it :-\ an excuse that might come up is... of course its a good woofer i wouldnt sell it if it was.... then why not sell dd treo RE ect |
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Gold Member Username: DrivingrecklessDD 9515f, 148.2 db Mov... Post Number: 4037 Registered: Apr-06 | "i wouldnt sell it if it wasNT.... " |
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Silver Member Username: JtownPost Number: 264 Registered: Mar-07 | I thought low-hz sold RE and SI? |
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Gold Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 1057 Registered: Feb-06 | I do sell RE and SI. And if you look I didn't market anything. I just told the original poster where he could talk to people with unbiased first hand expieriance. I could tell him my thoughts, but I didn't think he would care since I do sell RD.  |
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Gold Member Username: Freezeman_7C.FREE Post Number: 1734 Registered: May-06 | well... ive ownd FI ssd's and i ordered some Elites... i should be able to tell who makes the better sub. i loved my ssds, but i didnt give them the power they needed and put them in a sealed box... my rd's are going to be put in a ported. with the right cuft. so it wont be much of a comparison. but i hate to do tihs... but i am.... RD>fi |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 5012 Registered: Feb-06 | so you only heard the ssds' and the elites? |
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Gold Member Username: Trey4sportsPost Number: 1669 Registered: Sep-06 | bottom line= both make good subs in reality: if a NOOB switched out an ssd and a sonance wouldnt tell that big of a diffrence. the woofer itself isnt the biggest part of the equation |
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Silver Member Username: MercsableKalamazoo, MI USA Post Number: 157 Registered: Apr-06 | Well after all this..I have ordered my 18" RD alpha. I will make a video once it arrives and say what I think. I am upgrading from 2 15" Rockford Fosgate T1's, so I hope this 18 will be better than those 2 15s |
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