ok I posted this on CA.com and got some answers so I though i'd post here and ad something. I was going to go with a 15" manhatten but there really expensive so now I am looking at a 8" setup, the choices are (2)DD 1508's -or- (2)SS rl-i 8"s, either choice will be ran off a 1000rms amp, I'm looking for a sql setup that will keep up with techno/rock music, thanks for the advice