Speaker Wire
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Silver Member Username: KapreseWalstonburg, NC USA Post Number: 172 Registered: Mar-07 | Alright what up guys my question is can you use 16g power wire as speaker wire because a friend of mines used it before and he said it was save the reason he used it was because he said "On my power wire it has POWER/GROUND" so it could be used as both and for speakers is this safe and will it work without any side effects ? |
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Silver Member Username: QuigPgH, PA US Post Number: 598 Registered: Sep-05 | im not sure what exactly u are asking.... |
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Silver Member Username: KapreseWalstonburg, NC USA Post Number: 173 Registered: Mar-07 | can you use Power wire as speaker wire |
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Silver Member Username: KapreseWalstonburg, NC USA Post Number: 174 Registered: Mar-07 | like could I take a 16g power wire and use it as speaker wire |
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Bronze Member Username: Slimdog53185Bowling Green, Kentucky U.S. Post Number: 36 Registered: May-07 | You can if you want. Larger wire carries more current with less resistance, so larger will never hurt. I'm using 12g right now. |
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Silver Member Username: Andrew571Stillwater/Edmond, Oklahoma USA Post Number: 883 Registered: Oct-05 | the fact that his wire labels "power/ground" on the insulation has no significance go 4 it |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6959 Registered: Jun-06 | Copper is copper. |
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Silver Member Username: KapreseWalstonburg, NC USA Post Number: 175 Registered: Mar-07 | alright thanks guys good looking |
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Silver Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 486 Registered: Nov-06 | so would that increase SPL at all? |
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Gold Member Username: Van_manBoston South, MA Post Number: 2466 Registered: Mar-06 | OH yea. Being "POWER WIRE" as opposed to speaker wire will probly make a 10-15 db gain.... |
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Silver Member Username: Jesse59672OKLAHOMA Post Number: 428 Registered: Feb-07 | there are 16ga power wires?  |
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Silver Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 487 Registered: Nov-06 | ok im going to take that as a not but i thought i had remembered somewhere that there actually was a .001 dB difference from 12 ga to 8ga but you dont have to be a smart a55 about it lol jk jk nice van by the way |
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Gold Member Username: Van_manBoston South, MA Post Number: 2467 Registered: Mar-06 | Couldnt help myself. Unless your in comps, there is no diffrence. Speakers are fine 12-18awg. Subs should be 12awg or below, depending on set up. And thanks on the van |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2916 Registered: Jan-06 | "Copper is copper." That is just a ridiculous statement Paul, lol. That definately isn't true just like the saying "voltage is volatege" another false statement. There is a difference in quality, number of strands, oxygen/oxygen free, type of impurities and overall copper content. There are a lot of factors that effect a good wire and impurities in an inferior brand of wire could add to the overall resistance, thus effecting performance. To help overcome this try to get a quality product with the highest strand count available and keep the overall length short as possible. Just remember, not everything said is true, especially " A pu$$y is a pu$$y"....  Polo. |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6960 Registered: Jun-06 | You forgot your sig. Let me help you.  Smart azz.  |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2917 Registered: Jan-06 | You are sooo funny old man, lol Polo..  |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Post Number: 3215 Registered: Jan-05 | "That is just a ridiculous statement Paul, lol. That definately isn't true just like the saying "voltage is volatege" another false statement. There is a difference in quality, number of strands, oxygen/oxygen free, type of impurities and overall copper content. There are a lot of factors that effect a good wire and impurities in an inferior brand of wire could add to the overall resistance, thus effecting performance. To help overcome this try to get a quality product with the highest strand count available and keep the overall length short as possible. Just remember, not everything said is true, especially " A pu$$y is a pu$$y".... Polo. very true polo but what you said means jack sh1t, the strand count is really the only thng that matters, if you use 20ga wire then use 12ga wire i gurantee you will not hear a difference. and where the h3ll did you get 16ga power wire that is way to small, you might be able to run a 100watt amp off that but anything bigger and the wire will melt. |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 6261 Registered: Nov-04 | You'll find that under "normal" setting, almost nothing will make any difference. For example, 1000 strands vs 2500 strands, 18ga vs 8ga speaker wires, THD 1% vs .01%, 1000w vs 1200w, damping factor 100 vs 1000, slew rate .30uv vs .1uv etc. They only matter on paper. Unless your ears are as keen as dog's ears, you won't notice anything. This just proves that we have very inaccurate/poor hearing. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2919 Registered: Jan-06 | Regardless if it makes a difference or not hearing wise, there is a difference performance wise and could affect the way your amplifier opporates. There is a difference however slight it may be, it isn't just in sound reproduction you are looking for the differences! Believe it or not a high quality copper ,high strand count at a sufficient guage can/will affect the overall performance of the amp and can also help keep it cooler/more efficient. Funny, you would spend an arm/leg for 1/0ga for the power side but you would use sh!t wire on the output side, you know the power has to get there somehow, why not use the same sh!t speaker wire on the power side? LMFAO... BTW I use 10ga multi-strand 100% oxygen free pure copper wire (untinned).. Polo. |
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New member Username: NiggerjimSpringfield, IL US Post Number: 3 Registered: May-07 | Polo do you pop your collar? Your one of those fagg0ts I can see doing so. |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6962 Registered: Jun-06 | D@mn. Three words started all this. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2920 Registered: Jan-06 | "Polo do you pop your collar?" Funny how little H0m0's go ahead and create another profile because they need a door to hide behind, what a fukking coward. Stick around NOOB you may learn something... PS- On a second note you may want to stop trying to learn car audio and concentrate on getting your first.... P I E C E O F A S S   |
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Bronze Member Username: NiggerjimSpringfield, IL US Post Number: 16 Registered: May-07 | I'll be in chicago this weekend, better watch your back cuz your mouth wrote a check that your a$s can't cash.. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 5233 Registered: Feb-06 | in wire copper vs silver there is not abig diferent unless you use it in long run of wires like sizes up to 1 miles long then you really need cooper. the output of the amp is very high voltage not as high as the house but higher. some up to 120 volts depending of the output of your amp. the higher voltage the faster it travels so using 16 gauge as for speaker wire is fine as long as your not running more than 1500 watts rms. but using 16 gauge cable is fine there will be voltage drops but not as noticable like dc voltage. vooltage drops will cause because of resistance lets say if you install the 16 gauge cable and your amp will produce 100 volts with x amps the voltage drop will be around 0.010 or even less. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 5234 Registered: Feb-06 | in wire copper vs silver there is not abig diferent unless you use it in long run of wires like sizes up to 1 miles long then you really need cooper. the output of the amp is very high voltage not as high as the house but higher. some up to 120 volts depending of the output of your amp. the higher voltage the faster it travels so using 16 gauge as for speaker wire is fine as long as your not running more than 1500 watts rms. but using 16 gauge cable is fine there will be voltage drops but not as noticable like dc voltage. vooltage drops will cause because of resistance lets say if you install the 16 gauge cable and your amp will produce 100 volts with x amps the voltage drop will be around 0.010 or even less. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 5235 Registered: Feb-06 | sorry for double post. copper alone is never enough if you notice copper that is not at least 90% air free coopper in about 10 months the copper will turn black adn cause really high corrosion.. mixed materials with aluminum and copper soemtimes is better since aluminum is alot better for anti corrosion and defects. also high strands of wire really help alot but is juzz 10% diference is not a big deal. on wire theres always resistance and this is wat causes voltage drops too. lets say you have a 100 volts signal and 1 feet of 0 gauge wire and 2 ft 0 gauge then you see that in 2 ft the resistance increase making the 2 ft of wire travel longer and lossing some voltage. a 20 ft of wire run the average lost is around .5 volts if you have a bad electrical system the lsot will be very neoticable and BIG> |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2921 Registered: Jan-06 | "I'll be in chicago this weekend, better watch your back cuz your mouth wrote a check that your a$s can't cash.." Dude you are a fukking retard, STFU! Sorry but my @ss can cash a lot of fukkng checks, lmfao. BTW little man, I ain't small, I ain't young and I ain't weak so step up B!TCH give you your run for ya money!! I'll even do you a favor, I'll real up my D!ck so you don't trip over it, fukking H0m0..   |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 5239 Registered: Feb-06 | id ont know wats your problem polo but i think yoru the greatest because u think you bein tru alot and because your older than most of us.... that doesnt mean nothing... and polo you better chill outwith your agression you always keep dissrespecting most of the people aroudnhere dont know whats your problem. maybe is because you were not born like a regular child.  |
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Silver Member Username: NorthomahaPost Number: 401 Registered: Mar-06 | concerning earlier statements in this thread i would like to add that pu$$y is pu$$y when the lights are turned out. big girls need love to. BTW no ones gonna ever fight from ecoustics so mine as well not even type it. |
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Silver Member Username: KapreseWalstonburg, NC USA Post Number: 178 Registered: Mar-07 | Nah it was a old wire that I had off my old setup but yesterday I decided to use my Rockford Fosgate Power wire as Speaker wire and it's 4g |
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Silver Member Username: QuigPgH, PA US Post Number: 600 Registered: Sep-05 | lol 4awg speaker wire?? WOW no need for all that. |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 6266 Registered: Nov-04 | Like I said before (under normal condition), if you have the money and time, then sure go for the best. However, if that's not an option, then you can down grade without sacrificing too much. Best way to learn in anything is by doing it yourself. Take 500 strand wire, take 1200 strand wire, send as much current as you like, and measure. Do the same with speaker wires, 16ga vs 8ga/4ga. Use DMM/Scope whatever you like. If at the end you can notice significant difference/drops, then you either have a defective equipment or living in a fantasy land. Main reason why I'm posting this is, just don't like seeing noobs getting ripped of by shady salesman. They guarantee that 8ga monster cable will sound 2x or better than a standard 16ga speaker wire. If the price difference wasn't much, then I would argue, but that monster cable is around $199! |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 5306 Registered: Feb-06 | the optimal wire size for speaker outputs of up to 7000 watts is 8 gauge wire. i dont know why he will be using 4 aguge |
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Silver Member Username: KapreseWalstonburg, NC USA Post Number: 180 Registered: Mar-07 | aye since I have it I may as well use it and the main reason is that I ran out of wire and thats all I had left lol |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 6268 Registered: Nov-04 | Rob how did you calculate that? 7000w for 8gauge? |
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Bronze Member Username: NiggerjimSpringfield, IL US Post Number: 17 Registered: May-07 | Polo, I'd whoop all over your game before you even knew what the fu*k hitchu. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2922 Registered: Jan-06 | Ummm LilRob, STFU! There is nothing I said to warrant the responce I got from the little H0m0, nobody was talking to him and he should mind his own fukking bussiness as should you. There was no aggression in any of my posts until now and if you want to see more, then keep it up! PS- Don't forget LilRob, we taught you how to type so be sure not to get to big for your britches, lol.  |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 5330 Registered: Feb-06 | theres a wire gauge calculator for dc on 14.4 volts juzz take the reading from the amp output and use the calculator. in speaker cable doesnt need to big wire since the output has higher voltage than the regular cars voltage. the speaker output voltage is around 100 volts even more if you have more power and for the car electrical the voltage flow at an average of 14 volts. so doesnt need big wire size because the voltage travels super faster than the car dc electrical voltage |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 7005 Registered: Jun-06 | Hey. Copper is copper. Ain't I a stinka??  |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 2923 Registered: Jan-06 |  |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 7012 Registered: Jun-06 |  |
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Gold Member Username: Adam_sPost Number: 1252 Registered: Aug-04 | ^^ Thats wrong. |
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