New Flaired Ported Box TONS OF PIX
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 654 Registered: May-06 |              11am-10pm today... Im getting carpet first thing tomorrow morning, and cutting the circles and posting the back on. I'll post more pix tomorrow. Let me know what you think. |
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Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18Southeast PA Post Number: 2697 Registered: Jul-06 | Looks good...... |
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Silver Member Username: Goodie_goopMidland, Texas U.S. Post Number: 604 Registered: Oct-06 | was that ur first attempt at a flared port? |
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Gold Member Username: JblanfordPost Number: 1145 Registered: Oct-06 | specs/tuning ? whats it for ? |
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Gold Member Username: The_image_dynamicSan Diego Post Number: 1523 Registered: Dec-06 | Looks like a HT box. For only his fourth box if I remember right, this kid got some skillz. Nice job. |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6819 Registered: Jun-06 | Good job dude.  |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 656 Registered: May-06 | "was that ur first attempt at a flared port?" Yes it was, When attempting to do the curve first time around, the board broke in half. Second time, I recut the board the same as before, but pre-bent each slot so it flexed better, then soaked in my pool for 10 minutes slot side down, and it worked perfectly! "specs/tuning ? whats it for ?" 3.5 cubic feet tuned to 35HZ based on a squared off port, so its a tad different due to the curves, but around 35Hz. "Looks like a HT box. For only his fourth box if I remember right, this kid got some skillz. Nice job." HT box? Thanks man, I appreciate the comments. |
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Gold Member Username: Logan__tilleTeam Revolution Post Number: 7586 Registered: Feb-06 | You better resin those bends or do something. |
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Gold Member Username: The_image_dynamicSan Diego Post Number: 1527 Registered: Dec-06 | HT = Home Theater. What Logan is saying is that it looks like you cut pretty deep on those bends so you need to reinforce it with some resin so they don't pop under stress. It looks like he put something on one of the bends in pic #4. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 657 Registered: May-06 | oh lol no pic 4 is the water from my pool. I globbed on some glue and sealed it up real well. Its not gonna break under stress now, if it was gonna break, Im sure it would have already at least cracked significantly. Thanks tho for suggestions. |
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Gold Member Username: AdddisorderWest palm, Florida Post Number: 4444 Registered: Jan-06 | you put it in the pool!!! yikes, that is going to compromise the strength in the wood. |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 173 Registered: Dec-06 | ^^^ I was going to say the same thing? You soaked the wood in water? |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 658 Registered: May-06 | Just the slots, it worked wonders, and dried out in ten minutes. The wood was easier to bend and the strength of the wood was not sacrificed. TRUST ME! |
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Silver Member Username: MesodummTri-City, Az Usa Post Number: 101 Registered: Apr-07 | Bad new's! Water and MDF do not play well together!!! Time to get a couple gallons of resin and some fiberglass fabric do it inside and out! |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 176 Registered: Dec-06 | John, dispite what you believe. Soaking your MDF in water WILL mess with the strength. It will cause the MDF to swell and will become very soft. You will probably want to rebuild that. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 659 Registered: May-06 | But the sound will be significantly different because the MDF was soaked in water for 10 and completely dried in 10 right? NOT! The MDF cracked because it was soaked in water right? NOT! Its fine quit hatin. |
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Gold Member Username: JblanfordPost Number: 1156 Registered: Oct-06 | no one is hating...just telling you the facts |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 660 Registered: May-06 | it worked for me. The MDF was a tad softer at first, but after 10 minutes I forgot which piece was soaked in the pool. It's like basket weaving.. You gotta soak it before ya bend it. Im sure there are otherways to do it, I just choose water and am 100% satisfied with the results and I bet if anyone felt the wood, they too would be clueless it was soaked in the pool. |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 177 Registered: Dec-06 | John thats fine.You have a hard time taking peoples advice, dont you. There are some very knowledgable people out there. If your not willing to take peoples advice/tips you will have a hard time building correctly. When I was first starting to build, I learned MANY things from people over at CA.com. Things I would have never done/used etc. If your willing to learn a few things, you will be better off. And one last time, water is not good with MDF. Trust me |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 661 Registered: May-06 | "John thats fine.You have a hard time taking peoples advice, dont you. There are some very knowledgable people out there. If your not willing to take peoples advice/tips you will have a hard time building correctly. When I was first starting to build, I learned MANY things from people over at CA.com. Things I would have never done/used etc. If your willing to learn a few things, you will be better off. And one last time, water is not good with MDF. Trust me" Who says the FisherCustoms way is the only way? Not me. I dont have a hard time taking people's advice, thats why I came here. Water worked for me, and once again there is no difference b/t the water piece and the other pieces. Apparently you havent experimented with this, So im pretty sure you can't vouch for it. I have read many things about box building and have never once read that water + mdf = disaster. I didnt dunk the entire sheet, I only layed it face down on the slots side and didnt leave it in there too long. I didn't leave it in long, prolly not even for ten minutes, but enough for it to work for me. Fisher, the only reason you are coming at me is because you see that I am a new and upcoming box builder and have unbeatable prices, and this gets at you, so you try to destroy me so people will avoid me and go to you, which is just low and I have no respect for people like this. Don't try to jeopardize my freedom of enterprise. |
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Bronze Member Username: Surferdude9371Maitland, Florida Post Number: 100 Registered: Mar-07 | im not a box builder and id have to agree with fisher water+mdf=badnews from personal exp but hey if it works out for you bud thats awsome box looks great btw. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 663 Registered: May-06 | personal experience? Explain? Because I have no water dammage on the wood nor stains or anything. |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 178 Registered: Dec-06 | Who says the FisherCustoms way is the only way? I didnt either. This isnt a question of technique. There are MANY different techniques on box building. This is simply a question of structrual integrity. I dont have a hard time taking people's advice, thats why I came here. Water worked for me, and once again there is no difference b/t the water piece and the other pieces. Apparently you havent experimented with this, So im pretty sure you can't vouch for it. Your right, I havent experienced with it. Thats because its common sense. Why do you put shingles on a house? What about siding? Brick? All these materials are on a house to profect the sheeting from moisture. Moisture + any wood = bad. It will rot eventually. Trust me. I work in the housing market. I have read many things about box building and have never once read that water + mdf = disaster. I didnt dunk the entire sheet, I only layed it face down on the slots side and didnt leave it in there too long. I didn't leave it in long, prolly not even for ten minutes, but enough for it to work for me. Then you havent read enough. Fisher, the only reason you are coming at me is because you see that I am a new and upcoming box builder and have unbeatable prices, and this gets at you, so you try to destroy me so people will avoid me and go to you, which is just low and I have no respect for people like this. Don't try to jeopardize my freedom of enterprise. This is the part that makes me laugh the hardest John. Trying to destroy you? Last time I checked, i wouldnt be giving someone information on how to build a box with a flared port. I was the one that told you the depth of cut, the spacing, and how many cuts to make. Do you happen to remember this? Im here to help out man. Any business I get from here, is just a bonus. Trust me, I stay busy enough the way it is. If you dont want to take my info, fine. But dont say people arent trying to help you out, and make you a better builder.} |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 179 Registered: Dec-06 | Im trying real hard to "jeopardize my freedom of enterprise." Arent I? LOL https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/357432.html |
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Gold Member Username: AdddisorderWest palm, Florida Post Number: 4446 Registered: Jan-06 | ^^^i find it funny as hell you think you can even compete in the box building scene on this forum having only built 4 boxes 1 that wasnt even tuned and 1 that was soaked in water. water swells MDF and weakends the bonds fact. and i have done a few flared slot ports and have never had the wood break in half or needed to soak it in water. if you make the cuts right it will bend with gental force. im not trying to be a d;ck we are trying to give you advice but because you relized your wrong you get all worked up about it. take it like a man and build another one like everyone else. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 664 Registered: May-06 | Water may swell MDF and weaken the bonds overtime with constant exposure to elements, but i said ten minutes slot side down is how long it was exposed to the water. It will be in a trunk, not a backyard... My MDF didnt swell or like fisher said, turn soft. If it worked fine for me and there is absolutly nothing wrong with it physically, then why make a big deal about it? Your getting worked up, and im not gonna build another box and put this one out to the road, when it is identical to a box not soaked in water. You just dont realize this, and if I could get better details through the internet I would and proove every single one of you wrong. "^^^i find it funny as hell you think you can even compete in the box building scene on this forum having only built 4 boxes 1 that wasnt even tuned and 1 that was soaked in water. " You find it funny as hell, and I find it even funnier, i get at least 1 email every 1-2 days asking about my boxes and prices and if I could build them one, im just not one posting threads about every person I talk to. |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 180 Registered: Dec-06 | Whaterver man, your too hard headed. I will not be offering any advice to you anymore, its a waste of breath. Ill be helping out the people that acutally want to learn. Im not trying to be a d!ck either. Hope no one is taking it like that. ;) |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6834 Registered: Jun-06 |  |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 665 Registered: May-06 | Haha, well Fisher.. you are a d!ck. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5173 Registered: Jun-04 | Here you go guys and gals http://www.allwoodwork.com/article/woodwork/methods_of_bending_wood.htm Steam Bending Wood Steam bending wood is probably the most widely used and accepted method of wood bending. It has been used for ages To construct a steam box you will need. • A heat source to make to steam • A container to hold the water to be heated • A hose to connect the container to the steam box • A box to hold the wood to be steamed. Can be either a PVC pipe or a wood box. • Various fittings, clamps, and screws to put the steam box together. The heat source can be a camp stove, or just a hot plate. Open flames in a wood shop can be dangerous, so I would prefer a hot plate. The container to hold the water can be anything you want. A tea kettle works well, but some people use NEW and UNUSED metal gas cans, pressure cookers, etc. You have to be able to attach a hose to it somehow, with fittings and such. The steam box itself can be made from PVC pipe, metal pipe, or a simple wooden box you make from scraps in the shop. It don't really matter that much. Steam has to be able to escape, or else the pressure will build and cause it to explode. But you want it to hold the steam enough to heat the wood and force water vapors into the wood. Roy Underhill from the Woodwright's Shop uses a wad of rags to plug the end of the box, and you can see the water dripping out of the end. If you use a PVC end cap, drill a hole or two in the end to allow the steam to release to pressure as it builds. Now just assemble everything and try it out. Be careful the steam will heat everything up, so use gloves. The general rule of time is about 1 hour for every inch of thickness being steamed. Use this as a starting point, and adjust your time as needed. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 666 Registered: May-06 | LOL. Steam = water. That article suggests that steam is an effective method for bending wood. Since steam is a form of water and that method works, I guess you can say this is an article 'halfway' backing my method. Thx Sean. I better put this so Fisher doesnt come back with a page in a half argument. I know this is not the way I did it, but your argument was that water weakens and softens the wood. If this were the case and water truly doesnt work, I wouldnt have an affective box, or this article wouldn't have been written. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5174 Registered: Jun-04 | Well I did some more reading and others dont recommend using water to bend mdf just plywood but ill say this if you say it works for you and you teted the strength and appearance we can either take your word or try it ourselves |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5175 Registered: Jun-04 | "teted" should read tested |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5176 Registered: Jun-04 | http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=19916 conflicting report A friend of mine is a cabinet maker, They use steam and the slits you refered to to bend MDF sheets, He made a bar that ran along the back of a room and along two other walls and that had a massive amount of bent sheets, But he was telling me they buy a special sort of MDF thats been designed to bend using steam. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5177 Registered: Jun-04 | anyone finds anything else post please |
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Silver Member Username: MesodummTri-City, Az Usa Post Number: 102 Registered: Apr-07 | Hey John, it is a nice looking box! Did you have a computer to figure dimensions and porting? Doing the flared ports it is nice to have software to figure air space and vent. The cu.ft. inside can be - .2 to .05 difference per side depending on the radius compared to 90 angle. The same with the vent you have to caculate to start of flare instead of end of flare. here are a couple things I found for you. How large a flare is needed? I have conducted a series of experiments to determine what velocity of air can be passed through flared ports before port noise becomes audible. Fifteen ports in a range of diameters and flare sizes were tested, leading to the following observations: * Maximum usable velocity varies with flare radius * There is a limiting velocity for any given diameter port, regardless of flare radius * Larger diameter ports have a higher usable velocity than smaller ports * Port performance varies with frequency The results have been incorporated into the "flare-it" downloadable calculator. It is suitable for designing flares for ports up to 150mm (6 inches) in diameter, and which operate with a velocity peak below about 35hz. Also did alot of reading about MDF and moisture there is a lot of info about loss of internal bond and exterior thickness increase, and day's to weeks for proper evaporation of moisture,just as why we season firewood it takes time to dry. so if you put any thing on it like paint or sealer, it will not be able to evaporate and dry properly so the internal bond of the mdf will be compromised.. Hope this has helped you. I am not slamming you! it is a good looking box! |
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Silver Member Username: MesodummTri-City, Az Usa Post Number: 103 Registered: Apr-07 | Hey Sean good post! lots of info the other MDF has a differant chemical used for bonding the dust, rather than the formaldihyde. and pressure bending is the right way to do it! the steam doesnt absorb like water would, it is more of a heat source. Here is a site about flares http://www.subwoofer-builder.com/port-flares.htm |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5178 Registered: Jun-04 | thanks....so you think the steam would work for regular mdf? |
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Silver Member Username: MesodummTri-City, Az Usa Post Number: 104 Registered: Apr-07 | hey does anyone know about the Trupan Light???? |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 181 Registered: Dec-06 | MeSoDumm, thats all I use, is Trupan Light. Steam bending is far different that soaking wood in a pool. /Thread. And no, John, Im not a dick. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 669 Registered: May-06 | "Steam bending is far different that soaking wood in a pool." Fisher you must not have read my previous post. Here, try again, "LOL. Steam = water. That article suggests that steam is an effective method for bending wood. Since steam is a form of water and that method works, I guess you can say this is an article 'halfway' backing my method. Thx Sean. I better put this so Fisher doesnt come back with a page in a half argument. I know this is not the way I did it, but your argument was that water weakens and softens the wood. If this were the case and water truly doesnt work, I wouldnt have an affective box, or this article wouldn't have been written." Thanks MeSoDumm, that was helpful advice. I didnt use a software to figure it out. I just figured that the port being +/- .2 or whatever wouldn't sacrifice my previous tuning of 35Hz, or at least not noticeable. So, like sean said MeSo, is steam bending an affective way? And yes Fisher, for the record, you are a d!ck. |
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Gold Member Username: JblanfordPost Number: 1162 Registered: Oct-06 | wow...you're an idiot You have built four box's. Why are you even trying to compete with these other box builder's on the forum ? |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6839 Registered: Jun-06 | Random giggle pic.  We need them on threads like these. |
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Silver Member Username: JkidderSpring hill, Florida Usa Post Number: 697 Registered: Nov-05 | well john wheeler, i mine as well get into this thread also! if u have used chemicals such as chlorine or bromine tablets or used "shock' then ur crazy to think that doesnt affect the wood! im not picking sides im just sayin if those have been used and were active in the water then its affecting it, and not in a good way!! |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 670 Registered: May-06 | "wow...you're an idiot You have built four box's. Why are you even trying to compete with these other box builder's on the forum ?" U may think im crazy, but what I find hilarious is I get people coming to daily asking for me to build boxes. My prices are a lot cheaper than fishers and if people continue to come to me, lmfao, then im not gonna just stop cuz some random punk tries to criticise me. |
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Gold Member Username: JblanfordPost Number: 1163 Registered: Oct-06 | price means nothing to me...it's the quality  and who's the random punk ? hmmmh...you seem to the be the random punk that popped on the forum... built a box for some type arghs and and now you think you're the sh!t |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 182 Registered: Dec-06 | lol |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6841 Registered: Jun-06 | ***Sighs*** Nobody takes a hint anymore. This thread is going nowhere, fast. Fisher is out of the thread and I respect him for that. John, keep building your boxes the way you feel fit and dip them in pudding if you like, the ends justify the means. I'd hate to see your thread (which started out sane) turn into another mess. If you sell your work and get good returns so be it. If what these guys are proposing is true and you don't, so be that. I for one like drama, I call it spice and it keeps me reading. This thread has passed that point and I'm getting that itchy pic finger again. Let's just drop this whole water issue and get back to the threads intent everyone, please? |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 671 Registered: May-06 | Can do paul. I finished the box tonight, all I got left is cutting the holes, and I ordered some carpet from parts express. As for Joey, I'll save her the humiliation. |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6843 Registered: Jun-06 | Try taking pics of the carpet process. Alot of ppl are curious as to how everyone does it. When I carpet mine it always seems like an art form, and I'm no artist lol. |
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Silver Member Username: JkidderSpring hill, Florida Usa Post Number: 700 Registered: Nov-05 | did u have chemicals in ur pool at the time john wheeler?? like i stated above^^^???? |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 4440 Registered: Feb-06 | how much for a dual 12" flaired ported box john? subs up port back, double baffled, with the top being stained birch? black carpet on the rest? about 4cuft. after displacement. dual terminal cups on the rear. dual chambered. |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6850 Registered: Jun-06 |  |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 672 Registered: May-06 | When it comes to carpeting, I watched a tutorial, and my mom had good ideas too when it came to getting perfect folds on the end. Its similar to wrapping a present. My mom wall papers a lot and she said the overlaps and the ends are very similar to that, so between that tutorial and my moms guidance, I get that box wrapped ;). As for JK's question about the chemicals. There arent too many in there now, we just took the cover off and are waiting for things to clear up and then it will be shocked and chlorine tablets will be put in daily. But not many chemicals were in there when I wetted the wood. ctmike, why do you want to know that box price? I'm not gonna add it up if your just trying to be a smart@ss and proove some point no one cares about. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 673 Registered: May-06 | ah and come to think about carpet pix, i took some last time i carpeted my box.. here ill post some    Well i thought i had more, this doesnt give you the best idea, but ill take more this time around. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 4441 Registered: Feb-06 | wow, umm, good way to answer a question. |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin2 10 Pioneer... Post Number: 11582 Registered: Jul-05 | how about the idea of using multilpe layers of thinner wood glued\laminated in the shape u want - u form it around a jig & when it dries stays in the same shape never tried it b4 myself but i seen Norm Abram & other woodworkers on PBS done it a few times ...  |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 674 Registered: May-06 | That sounds like an idea worth trying Rovin. uhmm.. since why would you ever request a box from me ctmike. When the past 6 threads you always try to tell me how bad I am at life, just to make yourself feel a little better at night. I thought you got the idea.... Im not gonna waste time on something that you dont give a damn about. |
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Gold Member Username: Nyyfan13Fi SSD USA Post Number: 5178 Registered: Jul-06 | lol this thread really took off john, i mean you no disrespect at all cause i have no idea who you are and for all i know, yuo could be the smartest guy alive but if i had to pick between buying a box from you or fisher even if the price difference was $100, i would have to pick fisher. and again, no disrespect, but i find it hard to believe that you are getting 1-2 emails a day from people asking you to biuld them a box. i could be wrong tho for all i know |
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Silver Member Username: JkidderSpring hill, Florida Usa Post Number: 704 Registered: Nov-05 | 6 cubes, sub up port back, flared port (not in water lol), tuned to 46, using trupan light wood, n' carpeted. price please.... oh and double baffled top. thanks |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 4442 Registered: Feb-06 | well o.k. then. you said you make/sell boxes, can be bought for cheaper than what fisher makes them for (got quote from him, wanting to see what your price would be) and when asked for a price you act stupid about it. guess a sale lost is really nothing to you then huh, cause i need a box for the subs i'm ordering tuesday. |
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Gold Member Username: Nyyfan13Fi SSD USA Post Number: 5179 Registered: Jul-06 | ct, what subs did you finally decide on? i rememeber yuo were looking at quite a few possibilities |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 4443 Registered: Feb-06 | to be honest, still not 100% . almost certain i was going with q's but now i can get 2 12" idmaxs shipped for $700 (bnib from id dealer), just saying tuesday cause by then i'm sure i'll have it decided. maybe. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 676 Registered: May-06 | "well o.k. then. you said you make/sell boxes, can be bought for cheaper than what fisher makes them for (got quote from him, wanting to see what your price would be) and when asked for a price you act stupid about it. guess a sale lost is really nothing to you then huh, cause i need a box for the subs i'm ordering tuesday." LOL. ctmike you wouldnt consider my box for an instant. A sale lost.. LMFAO! Ctmike have your mom write fisher a check for $500 and you get that box you've had your eye on since you were 12. |
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Silver Member Username: JkidderSpring hill, Florida Usa Post Number: 706 Registered: Nov-05 | wat about mah price dammmmit! |
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Gold Member Username: JblanfordPost Number: 1169 Registered: Oct-06 | wheelers business ethics FTL prefab box > wheeler box |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6857 Registered: Jun-06 |  |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 677 Registered: May-06 | Blanford < The dump I took this morning. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 4445 Registered: Feb-06 | wow john, good way to do business. i was serious but since you can't act like an adult and give a quote for a box, i guess not. this how you respond to everyone asking for a price for a box? |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6858 Registered: Jun-06 | If anyone wants to contest this we can go. I'm drunk, and ready. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 678 Registered: May-06 | No, just pr!cks like you who dont give 2 $hits about me or my boxes. I have never heard anything from you other than wow your an idiot, your so dumb. Tune it after you build it LOL look at this moron, etc, etc, so why should I give a damn about you or take you seriously. I came on here and tried to learn, but you shoved it in my face and i'll shove it back in yours. Goodnight, bm all you want, ill respond in the morning. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 4447 Registered: Feb-06 | shove what back into my face? all i wanted was a quote on a box. even a guesstimate (give or take a few dollars). |
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Gold Member Username: JblanfordPost Number: 1170 Registered: Oct-06 | "I came on here and tried to learn" bullshit...look at this thread, BJ and others told you it wasn't ok to soak mdf in water (which it's not) you blew them off like you knew what you were doing asshat |
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Silver Member Username: JkidderSpring hill, Florida Usa Post Number: 709 Registered: Nov-05 | jesus fvuck, wheres mah fvucking quote. FVUCK!!!!! |
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New member Username: Jack_meeophMiami, FL USA Post Number: 1 Registered: May-07 | Joe said it all!! You do not know how to build a box!!! You argue with everyone!! Who is trying to help you!! There is no way you are getting calls to build boxes!! your carpet seams sucks!! your ports are f**king ugly painting inside won't even cover them up!! A screw 5 to 6 inches and silicone!! What the H*ll are you thinking!!! Go back to CC and learn a little more! Then maybe Go to a real stereo shop and beg for a job!!! I have seen BJ's boxes the are well built, prefab ha ha ha ha! just because he was smart enough to come up with a good idea you are jealous!!! Have an idea take your box jump in the pool with it and see if you can use it for a boat! ah! sh*t it would probably sink! Then we would never get to hear it!! ha ha o'well!!!! You would of not got any of the comments on this thread if you would of listened to people!!! Instead of fighting them!! |
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Gold Member Username: JblanfordPost Number: 1171 Registered: Oct-06 | man...i don't who this jack guy is, but i like em' |
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Silver Member Username: Kaos15thPost Number: 467 Registered: Mar-05 | ^^^Why dont you show youre real name too p^ssy? John try craigslist.com I sold a shitload of boxes there this year. |
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New member Username: Jack_meeophMiami, FL USA Post Number: 2 Registered: May-07 | Oky! Hi!! my name is Avalanche18! I hav a new fweend named John! Wee biild boxes too getter at home and sell them to all the poo and unfoortuneete!! Summ day we is going too start a bizoness too getter!!! NOTE:"" you have to say this with the hillbilly slure"" |
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Silver Member Username: Jesse59672OKLAHOMA Post Number: 423 Registered: Feb-07 | well orchestrated jack. |
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Silver Member Username: Andrew571Stillwater/Edmond, Oklahoma USA Post Number: 863 Registered: Oct-05 | where in OK r u @ Jesse? |
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Gold Member Username: Arande2Just a matte... Missouri Post Number: 2477 Registered: Dec-06 | Jack, whoever you are, just forget you created that account. We don't need people to start suspecting who it might be.. |
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Silver Member Username: Jesse59672OKLAHOMA Post Number: 426 Registered: Feb-07 | moore. i found two of you now.. cfree is from okc i do beleive |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6860 Registered: Jun-06 | I can die now.  |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 679 Registered: May-06 | Lmfao, you're all a buncha fu*kin idiots. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 682 Registered: May-06 | Lmfao, you're all a buncha fu*kin idiots. Its funny how you pu$sy's bring in smurf names to avoid your real name. Haha! Oh ctmike and JK. Box prices: $500 each. |
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Bronze Member Username: Visitor01Post Number: 77 Registered: Jan-07 | Nice- water+mdf... here is an idea- take some mdf- throw it in the pool, let it dry... then break it (trust me- it wont be hard) and inspect the inside of the wood.... GUARUNTEED its soggy and sh.itty.. whatever floats your boat, though |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 184 Registered: Dec-06 | Not to stir this thread up again...but..... Ok, so I did some testing today... was very curious about this topic. What I did was grab a scrap piece laying around. It was approx. 5" wide x 18" long. I tried breaking it over an end of a table by putting pressure on both ends with the middle of the wood resting on the edge of the table. I gave it 5 good trys but I couldnt break it. Soaked it in a bucket of water for 10 mins. (The whole thing wouldnt go in the bucket, about the first 12" did.) I let it dry for 10 mins (Like the other guy did). It was still soaking. Checked the thickness, and it was thicker, by a hair. Im guessing around 1/32", but was clearly swollen. I waited another hour and a half, until it was completely dry. Checked the thickness again, hadnt changed, was still about 1/32" thicker. Put it back on the table the same way to test the strength, and it snapped on the second try. I checked the inside of the broken pieces and they felt soft, and tore out very easily. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 684 Registered: May-06 | Ok first of all, I didnt soak mine in the pool. I laid it very carefully slit side down in the pool, and only about 1/3 of the wood was submerged from the bottom. 10 minutes later, I picked it up careful not to dunk anymore of it in the water. Let it drip off and i leaned it against the table outside for 10 minutes, by that time it was completely dry when i matched it up with the other MDF i had inside, it was identical. I believe since i didnt drench the entire piece of wood in the pool, thats what helped it to dry quicker and not affect it as much as if i held it under water. When I bent this after about a total of 15 minutes since it had been removed from the water, the wood bent much easier, but not too easy, and the wood did not feel soft at all nor did it crack at all. All im saying is it worked well for me with no signs of water damage. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 685 Registered: May-06 | "Nice- water+mdf... here is an idea- take some mdf- throw it in the pool, let it dry... then break it (trust me- it wont be hard) and inspect the inside of the wood.... GUARUNTEED its soggy and sh.itty.. whatever floats your boat, though" Never got an email on this comment, but I will try this to try to see where you guys were coming from. I wouldn't say it worked fine if the damn thing fell apart. All i stated above was what I observed. Like any experiment or test, I'm not gonna put what was expected in my conclusion if the complete opposite happened in my case. I'm going to put what I observed. And if i didn't observe everything you guys said happened, im not gonna be like ok, your right, when in reality, this may be the case for some, but for some reason the way i did this it worked differently and better for me. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 686 Registered: May-06 | I am doing this experiment again, and am taking pictures, I will most certainly post the results. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 688 Registered: May-06 | Correction on time: Once having done this experiment again, using a clock at 10 minutes, I realize that there was no way I let that wood stay in there for ten minutes, it was only a brief amount of time, and I believe five minutes is more accurate. Nevertheless, I will post the results on ten minutes, and possibly do another experiment with only letting it soak for 5 minutes. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 689 Registered: May-06 |         DRY MDF = 0.759" WET MDF AFTER 10 MINUTES = 0.791" Fisher, you were right. This wood did swell and it had a softer texture than the dry MDF. You were also right when you said it didnt dry in ten minutes. I realize when I first explained my process of how I bent the wood, I carelessly threw out a time of ten minutes, after doing this experiment I realize that it wasnt nearly that long, and saying it was 5 minutes, would be a stretch. I wet it enough so that the wood didnt act as as sponge as this piece of wood did. All I know is that I messed up by saying I soaked it for ten minutes, and by those standards, I would have to agree with you by saying that I was wrong and you were right, the wood swelled, wasnt dry, etc, etc. I also know that when I did this with the actual piece of wood, it didnt swell up or suck in water like a sponge. It was dry after ten minutes, and everything I stood by above. I apologize for the miscommunication and this once decent thread turned into.. how Paul put it, trainwreck. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5183 Registered: Jun-04 | Thanks John very professional |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 185 Registered: Dec-06 | Am i still a d!ck? |
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Silver Member Username: MesodummTri-City, Az Usa Post Number: 111 Registered: Apr-07 | Anyway it goes Water damages the integrity of the board unless it is the special kind of MDF. I read 7 or 8 differant websites that all stated that the internal bond strength was altered. Time is not the real issue absorbtion of any moisture is, and the dry time days to weeks not minutes and hours. It will still look good. But I would not want to put a couple of 12" or bigger in it with over 800 watts. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 690 Registered: May-06 | "Am i still a d!ck?"  |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 6239 Registered: Nov-04 | Why do you even have to ask that? If you're not a d!ck, then you're a .... |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 691 Registered: May-06 | then your a ....... ? Come on Isaac, I dont like cliffhangers..... |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 692 Registered: May-06 | ...Ok I Finished up the box, sealed up the inside, cut the holes. Now waiting on my order from parts express for my carpet. Im debating on installing terminal cups on this project or not. I have heard mixed reviews of them... Some say they are a possibility for leaking air, others say if you dont, you will leak air.. Hmm...      |
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Gold Member Username: CarguyPost Number: 6240 Registered: Nov-04 | I was just saying that sometimes it's better to be a d!ck than a .....  |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6868 Registered: Jun-06 | Those who say terminal cups leak air are the ones who can't cut a hole right. Personally I like terminals. Some say to run the wire right out the box and silicon it tight. Some use bolts. Toss up. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 695 Registered: May-06 | Hmm.. I cut the holes, carpet the entire box, cut around the terminal cutouts, but what do i use to seal them up? So i silicon all around the edges and then screw them in tight, or what? |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6872 Registered: Jun-06 | Do the cups have screw holes or are they just pressure fit? Usually the carpet acts as a gasket between the terminal and the box and that's generally all you should need. If this was a sealed box I would worry more but as long as you can't see inside the box around the terminal any air loss would be minimal and insignificant. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 696 Registered: May-06 | they have screw holes. |
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Gold Member Username: AdddisorderWest palm, Florida Post Number: 4460 Registered: Jan-06 | i would seal up the terminal cup with caulking, well actually i wouldnt use one in the first place. |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6874 Registered: Jun-06 | You should be fine. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 697 Registered: May-06 | I cut the holes for the terminal cups with the circular hole cutting thing with a 2" diameter that you put on the end of an electric drill. It worked wonders and I had perfectly smooth and round holes, no problem, except.... After about 30 seconds of constant drilling, the sawdust would turn from light tan, the color of the MDF wood to dark dark brown, and smoke would arise and to say the least, it smelled like sheit! It was the most disgusting smell I can honestly say I have ever smelled. I wanted to puke my guts out! Those circular cutters are about 20 years old, so I may try to get a newer one next time and see if that helps the smell, but I lost my appetite for dinner because of that smell... Any idea what that smell could be or be from? |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 186 Registered: Dec-06 | Its just the MDF burning. I remember that smell... its terrible. What you need to do, is drill for a little bit, pull the bit completely out, and clean out the teeth, This will help prevent the burning smell. What I did, was instead of getting the circle cut out ones... get the square cut out ones and just cut your hole with a jig saw. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 698 Registered: May-06 | Hmm.. Well the reason I did this was cuz it didnt take as long as with the jigsaw and it's more accurate. Do you just use a jigsaw when cutting out your circles for the speakers on your boxes? |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6883 Registered: Jun-06 | Good sharp tools are key. 20 year old anything is probably dull. I have many forstner bit sets that go up tp 3 1/4" wide that work well under low speed. Even decent hole cutting saws work well. Burning is due to over speed and/or dull bits/blades. |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6884 Registered: Jun-06 | When done right a jigsaw works as well as any for your sub hole. Some like routers with the circle jig. Up to you. It doesn't need to be within a tolerance of 1/64th of an inch. It's a box for a speaker, not a NASA project. |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 188 Registered: Dec-06 | As Paul pointed out, new good tools wouldnt definitely help. I just never had much luck with the hole saws. I cut out my sub holes with a router. I agree, the circle holes look cleaner, but it was such a PITA to me, I chose the square ones instead. Its just a personal preference. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 700 Registered: May-06 | "As Paul pointed out, new good tools wouldnt definitely help. I just never had much luck with the hole saws. I cut out my sub holes with a router. I agree, the circle holes look cleaner, but it was such a PITA to me, I chose the square ones instead. Its just a personal preference." New good tools wouldnt help? How come? Typo? |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 702 Registered: May-06 | "As Paul pointed out, new good tools wouldnt definitely help. I just never had much luck with the hole saws. I cut out my sub holes with a router. I agree, the circle holes look cleaner, but it was such a PITA to me, I chose the square ones instead. Its just a personal preference." New good tools wouldnt help? How come? Typo? The circle was much easier for me than the jigsaw, other than that unbearable odor. |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 706 Registered: May-06 | 10 round terminal cups for $15.50 FTW http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem%26item%3D290119987248 |
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Silver Member Username: Bjfish11Garden Plain, KS USA Post Number: 191 Registered: Dec-06 | yea typo.... meant to say they would probably help. |
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, Kingkong ain... I got Chuck ... Post Number: 3045 Registered: Mar-06 | Wow,i didnt notice this thread yet..... but since it has already been said.. i wont take long.. I tryed building a box outside... it started drizzling... my board had water specles all over it from tiny rain drops and each spot the rain dripped on, bubbles out about 1\16 of a inch and was easy to push down a bit or leave a mark in from applying pressure as opposed to a spot on the board that wasnt wet, so yes it does make it weaker and expand. But like you said if it works it works, but i would brace it and coat it with epoxy or somthing just for the added strength for that reason. Still Nice job....im still debating on even trying another flared slot port... everyboard i tried last time... ::SNAP:: but then again nobody wanted to give me cut depths and space between them, i wasnt about to cut 20 pieces of wood to figure it out... |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5185 Registered: Jun-04 | someone should do a test on losses using terminal cups, bolts, and straight wire....that would be intresting to see comparisons |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5186 Registered: Jun-04 | a tip ill throw our for subwoofer hole cutouts would be our trick....take a scrap piece of mdf and after measuring to find the center point where you want your subwoofer drill a small hole and place a screw in it then drill a small hole at the point of the outside diameter of the sub hole and use a writing instrument and simply rotate....a perfect circle is the result ....then use your jigsaw to cut it out |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5187 Registered: Jun-04 | "our" should read out |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 707 Registered: May-06 | "a tip ill throw our for subwoofer hole cutouts would be our trick....take a scrap piece of mdf and after measuring to find the center point where you want your subwoofer drill a small hole and place a screw in it then drill a small hole at the point of the outside diameter of the sub hole and use a writing instrument and simply rotate....a perfect circle is the result ....then use your jigsaw to cut it out" Yea, this is what I do.. I measured a piece of hemp exactly the diameter of the cutout, and drill a small hole, put the hemp at the bottom of the drillbit and trace around in a circle (with loops at the end of each end) |
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Bronze Member Username: JayzbentIL. USA Post Number: 25 Registered: May-07 | I use cardboard in the same manner for circles. Whatever gets the job done |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5189 Registered: Jun-04 | th wood from the mdf works because it doesnt flex or move....not sure what hemp is but im imagining a string type thing an that has a pontential to move on ya |
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Silver Member Username: J_c_wheeler8Columbus, IN United States Post Number: 708 Registered: May-06 | "th wood from the mdf works because it doesnt flex or move....not sure what hemp is but im imagining a string type thing an that has a pontential to move on ya" The hemp is a type of string, and it worked great for me and made perfect circles. The loops are tied extremely tight and wont go anywhere, the most they may stretch is like maybe 1/64th of an inch, which is completely unnoticable. Like Paul said, this isnt NASA. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 5191 Registered: Jun-04 | to each his own |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 6891 Registered: Jun-06 | This is what I use for large circles. I can get up to a 26" diameter circle. Larger if I just swap out the rod. Push the center pin into the wood and draw. Quite simple, quite cheap. Less than $10.  |
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