Sx vs. cvx vs. d9 vs. arsenals vs. idmax
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Silver Member Username: GagePost Number: 235 Registered: Feb-06 | what do you guys think i have 600 bucks and all in that same range (all 12s) |
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Silver Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 355 Registered: Feb-06 | sx arsenals (cause i just bought a pair) idmax-d9 cvx |
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Silver Member Username: JakeyplaysbassSt. Louis, MO Post Number: 987 Registered: Jul-05 | IDmax |
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Gold Member Username: Basshead86Ocala, FL Post Number: 3091 Registered: Aug-05 | Arsenal - i want one of these, cuz it is Avalanche on steroids. lol IdMax - out of production for now Sx - not much for SPL oriented subs CVx - i hate kicker |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1403 Registered: Dec-05 | by the d9 u mean this diamond audio no? http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=2691 |
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Gold Member Username: Basshead86Ocala, FL Post Number: 3093 Registered: Aug-05 | i forgot the D9 i would squeeze that in between the IDmax and the Sx. lol |
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Gold Member Username: Southern_bassParis, Tennessee U.S. Post Number: 2104 Registered: Dec-05 | idmax - sx - d9 - arsenal - cvx |
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Gold Member Username: Basshead86Ocala, FL Post Number: 3096 Registered: Aug-05 | i don't undertsand why people rank the Arsenal so low. THEY ARE $160 right now...and they are a new and improved version of the Avalanche!!! jfc! how can oyu go from the IDmax to the SX!?!?!?! you are going from one end of the spectrum to the other......lol |
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Silver Member Username: JakeyplaysbassSt. Louis, MO Post Number: 989 Registered: Jul-05 | haha very true muddy. i wanna hear one im tempted to buy one and just put it in my parents car...all said and done you can have one installed for like 300. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 1011 Registered: Jan-06 | I don't know why people rate the ID max so high,not all that great. I prefer the SX's great SQL over the ID's great SQ anyday. POlo.. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1404 Registered: Dec-05 | i thoght the havoc wuz the improved model of the avalanche |
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Silver Member Username: AlteraudiousaConcord Post Number: 726 Registered: Jan-06 | the series are a little confused now that they added a third series. From what i've been hearing the Arsenal are good but not that much better than the Ava's but I couldn't tell you cause i don't own one. I would say the the IDMAX is the most SQ oriented of the group and that I would go for the D9 or the SX if wanting SQL. IDMAX gave definitely do it do, so: SX and D9 tied for first IDMAX 2nd and Arsenal 3rd. |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 2735 Registered: Sep-04 | i'll just say that even if there is no improvement from the ava to the arsenal.... the ava was so worth the money. i love that sub! |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1405 Registered: Dec-05 | ya i heard the avalanche wuz the king of lowend bass |
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Silver Member Username: GagePost Number: 236 Registered: Feb-06 | yeah i mean that one pelon the specs look pretty good on that sub |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1406 Registered: Dec-05 | which one the avalanche? |
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Silver Member Username: AlteraudiousaConcord Post Number: 728 Registered: Jan-06 | hmmm....i doubt it is the king..I heard two 15s ported and thought it was good but nothing my Mag doesn't do sealed. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1409 Registered: Dec-05 | does the mag go really low alter? |
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Silver Member Username: GagePost Number: 237 Registered: Feb-06 | no i was talking about the d9 but how much could i get 2 mags for |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1416 Registered: Dec-05 | alter? |
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Silver Member Username: AlteraudiousaConcord Post Number: 731 Registered: Jan-06 | I don't notice a drop off in output until 25hz, very solid in the 30-45hz range. |
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Gold Member Username: PelonaPerris, California USA Post Number: 1418 Registered: Dec-05 | "hmmm....i doubt it is the king..I heard two 15s ported and thought it was good but nothing my Mag doesn't do sealed. " do u mean ur mag will go lower if it wuz sealed? |
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Silver Member Username: JkidderSpring hill, Florida Usa Post Number: 129 Registered: Nov-05 | no hes saying even when his mag is sealed it still goes lower than the ava.. |
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Silver Member Username: JkidderSpring hill, Florida Usa Post Number: 130 Registered: Nov-05 | ported |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 2789 Registered: Sep-04 | he is saying his mag can go as low as a ava ported with his mag sealed. so with a low tuned ported box it can go even lower!  that, ladies and gentlemen, was why i invested in 2 mags .. i wait for the sweet sweet day i have the money to install them... |
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Gold Member Username: 54danny54Betsy layne, Kentucky..GO... USA duh Post Number: 2273 Registered: Nov-04 | i would go arsenals if i was u but im biased lol |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 2797 Registered: Sep-04 | my computer was messin up so JK beat me to it lol wreak havoc- i love AA too. i have an avalanche... but when they got rid of the ava i had to find a duplicate! lol and the mag was the closest thing i found. i just have to get a new HU, processing, amps and such before i can install them. |
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Gold Member Username: Suleman36Maryland U.S.A. Post Number: 3648 Registered: Feb-05 | The avalanche 15 and new Arsenals are both best in sealed boxes at about 2.0-2.5 cuft / They are amazing down low and the arsenal is suppose to have better high end above 60hz which the avalanche 15 was lacking. Def go sealed with the 15. |
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Silver Member Username: GagePost Number: 242 Registered: Feb-06 | so i just bought the aa's should i go sealed or ported mo why do you think sealed (ported is louder and i thought it was better to port than seal) |
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Gold Member Username: Basshead86Ocala, FL Post Number: 3160 Registered: Aug-05 | hahaha i know why |
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Gold Member Username: Suleman36Maryland U.S.A. Post Number: 3650 Registered: Feb-05 | For anyone confused why they should go ported or sealed with your subwoofer.... ok first, you need to determine what the speakers are made for.. not all drivers work in both box types. you need the TS stats.Should come with the subs, or download the tech specs from their website) and calculate the EBP here's how: Efficiency Bandwidth Product (EBP) EBP = Fs / Qes 50 or less = best used in a sealed enclosure. 50 - 90 = flexible enclosure options. 90 or greater = best used in ported enclosure. very simple calculation. let me know what you get, and the type of music you like. also the amp(s) used for the subs, and type of car. then I'll suggest a box |
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Silver Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 408 Registered: Feb-06 | yeah after reading this thread i kinda want to know why you suggest sealed over ported for the arsenals? |
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Silver Member Username: GagePost Number: 243 Registered: Feb-06 | ok i have the 12's i only listen to rap and the amp i am using is a us amps merlin md2 wich is rated at 1500 rms but puts out around 1800-2000 at 1 ohm and i will be running them at 1 ohm and it is going into a 2002 galant and im going with ethier the alpine type x comps or the diamond hexs not sure yet but they will be run off of a us amps i/s 4085 wich is 85W x 4 at 4 ohm 125W x 4 at 2 ohms and 250Wx 2 at 4 ohms Bridged with a pioneer premier 960mp h/u |
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Gold Member Username: Suleman36Maryland U.S.A. Post Number: 3653 Registered: Feb-05 | I whould put them in a 2.4-3.0 cuft net sealed enclosure for the Arsenal 12's. They are dual 4 ohm so you want to wire them down to 1 ohm to match the amps impedence. You will save space and retain excellant SQ and monster lows this way. Once you hear it you will not be dissapointed. Set your LPF on either the HU or AMP to : 18-24db @ 80-100hz Set your HPF on your HU or AMP to : 12db @ 80-125hz This way you get a flat freq. response and it will sound clean and loud. Make sure you set your gain right and turn down any bass boost on your amp. That should be a great start for now. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 1037 Registered: Jan-06 | Hey MO, won't setting the HPF the way you said block the frequencies below 80hz? A highpass filter blocks lower end frequencies so it should be set around 20 hz to block 19hz and below and set the LPF between 80-100hz? Just curious because the way I described it is the way all my amps are supposed to be adjusted, the HPF is actually the subsonic (Kicker sx1250.1). Polo.. |
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Gold Member Username: Basshead86Ocala, FL Post Number: 3162 Registered: Aug-05 | The LPF is for the Sub and the HPF is for the mids and highs. i believe that is what he was talking about for the HU. or for each of the respective amps. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 1040 Registered: Jan-06 | The LPF is for the Sub and the HPF is for the mids and highs. Uuummm not on a subwoofer amp it isn't. HPF blocks low frequencies while a LPF blocks high frequencies. * There are 3 types of crossovers: High-pass, low-pass and band-pass. As it can be deducted from the names, a high-pass crossover will block low frequencies, a low-pass will block high frequencies, and band-pass will block low and high frequencies below and above crossover points. From the description above, crossover operation sounds very simple, but it is a bit more complicated. Crossovers do not block undesired frequencies completely (unless you are using digital crossovers). Crossovers cut frequencies progressively. A crossover "slope" describes how effective a crossover is in blocking frequencies. The minimum slope is 6dB/octave. For example, a high pass crossover at 1000 Hz, will let anything above 1000Hz pass. The farther lower frequencies are from 1000Hz the lower levels will be. At 500 Hz (1 octave), the level at the speaker would be 6dB less. A steeper slope (i.e. 24dB/octave) will block undesired frequencies more effectively, but will cost more than a lower slope crossover. If a speaker will be played near it's frequency range limit, then you need a high slope. For example, a midbass rated at 50Hz on the lower range could be crossed over at 55 or 60HZ with a 24dB/Oct crossover. If you want to use a lower slope crossover, then the frequency would need to be higher (i.e. 100 Hz at 6dB/Oct). So what are good crossover frequencies? It largely depends on the car, speakers, and speaker location. Typical crossover frequencies are 100Hz (bass), 350Hz (midbass), 3500 - 5000Hz (highs). * |
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Gold Member Username: Basshead86Ocala, FL Post Number: 3178 Registered: Aug-05 | he is talking about the LPF on the BASS AMP and the HPF on the MIDS AND HIGHS AMP.  |
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Gold Member Username: Iufan4lifeulPost Number: 1014 Registered: May-05 | I will tell you all this. With 2 12" Arsenals and only 250rms to each of them. They go lower than any other sub I have ever heard in my life. 15" Solo X's, L7's, RE's, CVR's, Type R's, any MTX, etc. have nothing compared to my aresenals. They drop ground shakingly deep, are clean hitting and accurate,and very loud. |
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Gold Member Username: Basshead86Ocala, FL Post Number: 3181 Registered: Aug-05 | i am glad to hear that^^^^^ |
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Gold Member Username: Suleman36Maryland U.S.A. Post Number: 3658 Registered: Feb-05 | What kind of enclosure do you have them in Chris and which amp ? |
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Bronze Member Username: Troy81Tavernier, Fl Us Post Number: 62 Registered: Mar-06 | chris, how many dB's you hitting? |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 1043 Registered: Jan-06 | he is talking about the LPF on the BASS AMP and the HPF on the MIDS AND HIGHS AMP Sorry about that, there is nothing in his post that would suggest that. Polo. |
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Gold Member Username: Basshead86Ocala, FL Post Number: 3183 Registered: Aug-05 | its cool....everybody gets confused. lol i didn't mean to sound offensive if i did. |
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Silver Member Username: WinterfreshpimpChisago, MN America Post Number: 221 Registered: Mar-06 | what about that crystal sub for 239 on roe? |
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Gold Member Username: Suleman36Maryland U.S.A. Post Number: 3659 Registered: Feb-05 | I just ordered 2 Arsenal 12's / $350 shipped with 3 year warranty Forget Treo and there lousy customer service and prices. |
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Gold Member Username: Jonathan_fGA USA Post Number: 5968 Registered: May-04 | ID Max-the oddball of the group to begin with. It's main emphasis was being SQ oriented while getting just loud enough to hit cap at SQ competition. Best sounding sub of the group IMO. SX-It gets loud. SQ isn't that impressive. D9-Great all around sub. Haven't dealt with the CVX or Arsenal yet. |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 7682 Registered: Jul-05 | LOL ^^ MO ! i thought they r $220 Each ? http://ascendantaudio.com/arsenal12specs.html - r they having a sale or something ?...... |
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Gold Member Username: Suleman36Maryland U.S.A. Post Number: 3662 Registered: Feb-05 | Preorder special Rovin. Those prices won't last and its going to get sold out again. These subs are suppose to be really amazing. http://www.ascendantaudio.com/index.html |
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Gold Member Username: RovinTrinidad & T... Post Number: 7684 Registered: Jul-05 | OH - i c now ! -lol shweeeeeeeet ! Hmmm - now u got me wondering if 2 15s Arsenals can withstand 2500wrms @ 1ohm off my new wcc/orion amp !? .... |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 1045 Registered: Jan-06 | SX-It gets loud. SQ isn't that impressive. I would have to disagree, one of the best sounding subs IMO, and before I had a set od ID max 12, which had great SQ but lacked in the SQL category. My one 15" SX has great SQ especially in a high tuned TCAB box. I have had some sh!t subs to where I couldn't even face them to me because they sounded that bad so I faced them to the rear to muffle the sound. The only thing that annoys me about the SX is the smell of the glue, tends to make my nose stuff up and makes the car smell like @ss, lol. I wonder if the quality of the amplifier(s) has to do with a difference in everyones experiences? All's good Muddy, if I thought you were getting offensive I would have to bust some pictures out on your @ss, lol... j/k.. Polo.  |
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Silver Member Username: JronPost Number: 220 Registered: Jul-05 | yeah the arsenal is a very nice sounding subwoofer, nice sq, and has nice output, for those prices you can not go wrong. running mine sealed, and i am happy with the 185 dollars i have spent..the d9 is an excellent sub also, but then again it is a bit more expensive than the arsenal, same with the idmax. |
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Gold Member Username: Suleman36Maryland U.S.A. Post Number: 3663 Registered: Feb-05 | I owned a SX 15 in a TCAB box and i was't impressed with its SQ. It had pretty good SQL overall though. Eventually sold it on EBAY to a guy in canada. The avalanche 15 really impressed me actually. ITS a true SQL performer with great SQ. Why do you think im going with 2 Arsenal 12's this time around. / They are even better SQ wise and drop just as low and are loud enough for a SQL setup. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 1055 Registered: Jan-06 | MO which box did you have? Have a picture of it? Polo.. |
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Gold Member Username: Suleman36Maryland U.S.A. Post Number: 3665 Registered: Feb-05 | Its on the TCAB website / http://www.thecaraudiobox.com/installs/ its the fourth picture from the bottem. It was built so it whould peform best in a SUV. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 1058 Registered: Jan-06 | Ohhhh I got you, slot ported. Slots sound different then Aeros not to mention not much port area. Polo.. |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 1059 Registered: Jan-06 | Ohhhh I got you, slot ported. Slots sound different then Aeros not to mention not much port area. Polo.. |
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